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2012-12-04 10:32:13 AM
Damn. Dude was pushed, too - that's crazy.
 
2012-12-04 10:35:09 AM
Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental.

That's why he got both the train and the victim perfectly in the shot!

/OHH LONG JOHNSON!
 
2012-12-04 10:38:37 AM
The photographer, R. Umar Abbasi, snapped at least two photos of Han before he was run over by the downtown Q train.

I - I can't really put into words how I feel about this.
 
2012-12-04 10:39:28 AM
I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.
 
2012-12-04 10:43:59 AM
I hope they catch the son of a biatch who pushed him, and throw him in front of the next available train.
 
2012-12-04 10:53:37 AM
I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.
 
2012-12-04 10:55:36 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.


There's been a rash of anti-Asian violence in the last 4 years. A few years ago, there was a rash of incidents involving kids who were beating up elderly Asian people in NYC. I think there was an NYT article on it.
 
2012-12-04 10:57:11 AM

the_rev: I hope they catch the son of a biatch who pushed him, and throw him in front of the next available train.


you mean the guy who took the picture? my money's on him.
 
2012-12-04 10:57:27 AM

RexTalionis: Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.

There's been a rash of anti-Asian violence in the last 4 years. A few years ago, there was a rash of incidents involving kids who were beating up elderly Asian people in NYC. I think there was an NYT article on it.


Uhh, why? It's New York City. Probably one of the most diverse cities in the world. You'd think the people living there would be used to all that diversity by now, and would just come to expect it.
 
2012-12-04 10:59:35 AM
Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.
 
2012-12-04 11:01:16 AM
Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental. The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the tracks.

Tourists take pictures of trains all the time, so don't hand me this BS about a camera flash being a warning. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that the pictures really were incidental.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PUBLISH THEM
 
2012-12-04 11:01:59 AM

Cythraul: RexTalionis: Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.

There's been a rash of anti-Asian violence in the last 4 years. A few years ago, there was a rash of incidents involving kids who were beating up elderly Asian people in NYC. I think there was an NYT article on it.

Uhh, why? It's New York City. Probably one of the most diverse cities in the world. You'd think the people living there would be used to all that diversity by now, and would just come to expect it.


This is one of the NYT articles, although not the one I was thinking of - this one is about Attacks on Asians in San Francisco.
 
2012-12-04 11:03:46 AM

Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.


In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.
 
2012-12-04 11:09:01 AM

Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.


Well, whoever is most to blame, I'm sure we can all agree on one thing: New York City is the greatest city in the world.
 
2012-12-04 11:09:41 AM

ManateeGag: the_rev: I hope they catch the son of a biatch who pushed him, and throw him in front of the next available train.

you mean the guy who took the picture? my money's on him.


No... it definitely wasn't him. There were cell phone videos of the men arguing before he was pushed. And surveillance videos of the pusher. I saw it on the Today show this morning.
 
2012-12-04 11:11:10 AM
www.nypost.com

This is the guy they are looking for.
 
2012-12-04 11:13:04 AM

Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.


Would you have said the same about Vietnam photographers like Nick Ut or Eddie Adams? They were paid for their work. Handed farking pictures over to their employer and won Pulitzer Prizes.
 
2012-12-04 11:15:54 AM
Don't forget that the NY Post also published a front page photo of John Lennon's body laying on a slab in the morgue.
 
2012-12-04 11:19:05 AM

Gulper Eel: Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Would you have said the same about Vietnam photographers like Nick Ut or Eddie Adams? They were paid for their work. Handed farking pictures over to their employer and won Pulitzer Prizes.


Reporters trying to document the consequences of war. What was this photographer doing? Trying to document the consequences of being too elderly to get out of the way of a train?

And you've come in here attacking people for doing something that they haven't even done. No one yet that I've seen is defending any of the other witnesses for standing by. You're the one defending someone for profiting off of his decision to not help.
 
2012-12-04 11:19:43 AM

Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.


Farking Photojournalism. How does it work?
 
2012-12-04 11:21:31 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Farking Photojournalism. How does it work?


I'm not fighting two douchebags at once. Away with thee.
 
2012-12-04 11:41:52 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Farking Photojournalism. How does it work?


I'm not mad at the photog for taking the pics. I'm pissed at the Post for shamelessly exploiting the man's impending death with a sensational headline. Yes, wartime photography is in the same vain, but it serves the purpose of reminding people that war is hell. We don't need to gape at a photo of a civilian about to die a particularly gruesome death with "This Man is About to Die" underscored in order to sell papers. It's as tasteless as it gets, and a low even for the NYP.
 
2012-12-04 12:05:27 PM

Cythraul: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Farking Photojournalism. How does it work?

I'm not fighting two douchebags at once. Away with thee.


[welcometofark.jpg] ;-)
 
2012-12-04 12:14:54 PM

Cythraul: The photographer, R. Umar Abbasi, snapped at least two photos of Han before he was run over by the downtown Q train.

I - I can't really put into words how I feel about this.


Well, I think it's pretty clear that Han should have shot first.
 
2012-12-04 12:29:29 PM
Maybe it would have been better to snap a pic of the person that pushed him into the tracks.
 
2012-12-04 12:30:49 PM

the_rev: [www.nypost.com image 300x300]

This is the guy they are looking for.


Wow, I saw I guy who looked just like that the last time I rode on the subway! And every other time, too.
 
2012-12-04 12:43:08 PM
Trainsplotching.
 
2012-12-04 12:56:41 PM

Cythraul: Uhh, why? It's New York City. Probably one of the most diverse cities in the world. You'd think the people living there would be used to all that diversity by now, and would just come to expect it.


That's cute.
 
2012-12-04 12:58:14 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


. . . okay. That's weird.
 
2012-12-04 12:58:21 PM

Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.


Someone once fell down the steps off a bus that I was about to board years ago. I didn't help him up--didn't even cross my mind. I just looked away quickly. I don't know why compassion in my brain shut off at that moment but I've thought about it a lot since then.

I can't guarantee I wouldn't be one of the people panicking if I were in that situation and I definitely can't guarantee that I'd heroically run to his rescue. Based on TFA, maybe most people have to be trained to handle quick-reaction emergencies like that or at least think about such things ahead of time. Maybe living in cities or society in general dampens the 'fight' side of the fight or flight response. And maybe you can never predict how you'd act in a situation like that until you're actually in it.
 
2012-12-04 01:16:42 PM

the_rev: [www.nypost.com image 300x300]

This is the guy they are looking for.


Mr. T?
 
2012-12-04 01:16:51 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


NY Post Headline: "This man is about to pour molten copper down his pants. DOOMED."
 
2012-12-04 01:20:19 PM
the_rev:

www.nypost.com

This is the guy they are looking for.

Michael Vick is taking his benching very badly.
 
2012-12-04 01:23:50 PM
This man is about to die. In a few moments, now, he will be killed, for Arthur Jarrett is a convicted criminal who has been allowed to choose the manner of his own execution!...

/cue naked jiggling
 
2012-12-04 01:29:54 PM

the_rev: [www.nypost.com image 300x300]

This is the guy they are looking for.


I pity the fool
 
2012-12-04 01:39:59 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


That's...incredibly random?
 
2012-12-04 01:41:05 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: the_rev:

[www.nypost.com image 300x300]

This is the guy they are looking for.

Michael Vick is taking his benching very badly.


no, thats Mr. T
 
2012-12-04 01:41:55 PM
Holy shiat.

This is inexcusable. The photographer is a terrible human being for not trying to help.
 
2012-12-04 01:42:04 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-04 01:42:17 PM
Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.
 
2012-12-04 01:44:09 PM
Well it is the Christmas season and this guy is a freelance photographer. So, what probably happened is he paid a homeless guy or a teenager a couple of bucks to shove somebody off the platform. He then took the pictures, cashed in,and bought his ungrateful brat of a kid that Wii-U he was whining about.
 
2012-12-04 01:44:29 PM
WTF!!
 
2012-12-04 01:45:11 PM
Why would anyone think that Raw Gear is any more accurate than the NY Post?
 
2012-12-04 01:45:40 PM
www.shadowlocked.com
What a drag.
 
2012-12-04 01:46:56 PM
From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.
 
2012-12-04 01:47:45 PM
Apparently this didn't take place in Latham, Massachusetts.
 
2012-12-04 01:48:05 PM
It's NYC.

There's 7,999,999 other people there, so, who cares right?
 
2012-12-04 01:48:07 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


And so you shall..
 
2012-12-04 01:48:16 PM
i had a shirt-tail relation commit suicide by train once upon a time

they found his ear a block away

but only one of them
 
2012-12-04 01:48:55 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

They also published this.
 
2012-12-04 01:49:07 PM
Have a look at the comments.

Link
 
2012-12-04 01:49:48 PM
I don't have any problem with it. Our news is sanitized to the point of being kid friendly.
 
2012-12-04 01:50:08 PM

sigdiamond2000: Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Well, whoever is most to blame, I'm sure we can all agree on one thing: New York City is the greatest city in the world.


New York New York isn't everything they say
There's no place I'd rather be
Where else can you see a man hit by a train
All at a quarter to three?
 
2012-12-04 01:50:27 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


That's funny, I was just thinking that I would rather set foot on a big city public transportation platform rather than pour molten copper down my pants. To each his own I guess.
 
2012-12-04 01:50:40 PM
So this is why they call it "Gawker." No, wait, it's perfectly fine for them to republish the photo for the noble and totally non-voyeuristic purpose of allowing us to register our moral outrage.

/fark both them and the Post
 
2012-12-04 01:51:26 PM

had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.


Ummmmmm wow.

If there were even TWO decent humans on the platform they would have grabbed the poor guys arms and pulled.
 
2012-12-04 01:52:31 PM

ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]


OMG I'm going straight to hell for laughing at that. I'm still giggling like a idiot,
 
2012-12-04 01:52:51 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.


It happens every so often -- either somebody tries to commit suicide by jumping in front of a train or some crazy person pushes a bystander into the path of an oncoming train. When I started 7th grade I had to take the subway to school, and probably within the same month there were two stories about people who fell into the tracks -- one was pushed by a deranged person, and another was a high schooler who passed out for some reason while waiting on the platform. Parents got real scared after that. I also remember a couple years back there was a guy who was literally cut in half when he fell in front of a 7 train -- apparently he got into a fight with an acquaintance and either fell or was pushed into the oncoming train.

/so... yeah.
 
2012-12-04 01:52:56 PM

under a mountain: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x391]

They also published this.


But that's okay because villain's NEED to be dehumanized.
 
2012-12-04 01:53:50 PM

had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.


Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.

/Don't know, don't live around subways.
 
2012-12-04 01:54:15 PM
The NYP is a hardcore Teahadist rag that preaches Randoidism......money trumps(no pun intended) all..........to "high rollers" most of whom have a net worth that rises into the low five figures.
 
2012-12-04 01:54:19 PM
TRYING TO SAVE HIM WOULD HAVE DONE NO GOOD.....
/he's have just jumped again an hour or two later.
 
2012-12-04 01:54:37 PM

dickfreckle: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental. The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the tracks.

Tourists take pictures of trains all the time, so don't hand me this BS about a camera flash being a warning. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that the pictures really were incidental.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PUBLISH THEM


On the front page, no less. :-(

That's what bothers me the most. Well, that and the fact that the photog sold/gave the images to the paper. If I accidentally captured something like that, I'd first see if they'd be helpful to police or the transit authority and then delete the damn things. And probably burn the memory card... I'd feel just awful. I feel bad just thinking about it.
 
2012-12-04 01:55:17 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.

farkingismybusiness: [www.shadowlocked.com image 500x277]
What a drag.


best part of an otherwise so/so movie, that dude was great
 
2012-12-04 01:55:42 PM
Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?

Gawker steals shocking content and repackages it for page views.
 
2012-12-04 01:55:43 PM

offmymeds: Have a look at the comments.

Link


That commenters felt it was a great opportunity to mock Costas' gun control monologue is probably the saddest fact of all.
 
2012-12-04 01:55:46 PM

SphericalTime: sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.

. . . okay. That's weird.


or hot......depending on how you look at it.
 
2012-12-04 01:56:31 PM
The viral marketing for Anna Karenina is getting out of hand

/window seat
 
2012-12-04 01:57:10 PM

jshine: From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.


What you are supposed to do is run in the opposite direction of the train. If you don't have time to do that, its lay in the troth between the tracks.

Last I saw the numbers, the average number of people KILLED by the subway is a little more than one a week, and a conductor has around even odds of hitting someone in their career. Not that I have a problem with the subway, but I always chuckle at the thought that if it was a ride in an amusement park, there is no way it would be allowed to operate.
 
2012-12-04 01:57:32 PM
This is exactly why I never stand close to the platform edge while waiting for the train.
 
2012-12-04 01:57:52 PM
IF IT BLEEDS, IT LEADS
 
2012-12-04 01:58:12 PM
That's low, man. I wonder if the photographer can be held liable for negligent homicide.

If you can't help the guy get out, you point him toward the ladder or under the platform or between the tracks or something. Or maybe you even just stand there like a lump; falling into shock from seeing a situation like this and being stunned by it, while not the most savory of stories, is still well within the realm of plausibility. What you don't do is whip out your freaking camera for Ye Big Cash-In.
 
2012-12-04 01:58:31 PM
The Post often clutches its pearls at the demise of family values in its editorial page (especially when it relates to Obama and gay rights), but somehow, they always seem to put obscenity on the front page.

The losers in Queens and Staten Island eat it up though.
 
b3x
2012-12-04 01:59:47 PM
Not impressed
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-04 01:59:55 PM
I am shocked that the New York Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has demonstrated a lack of ethics or even simple human decency, but instead chose to exploit a person's death.

Shocked.
 
2012-12-04 01:59:56 PM
Even if he wasn't strong enough to help him up, he could have told him to run down the tube in the same direction the train was going. Train would have stopped in the station and given him enough time to get rescued.

Sickened by all of this.

No one helped this guy. Let's not act like he was some giant guy - it was a middle-aged Asian dude. From the pictures I saw, he was barely 150 pounds.
 
2012-12-04 02:00:14 PM
Hmm, this reminds me that I need to put an ad for a free cat in the Post's classified section.
 
2012-12-04 02:00:19 PM

cryinoutloud: had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.

Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.

/Don't know, don't live around subways.


Yup. Lifting 200 lbs like that is pretty hard for the average person. You'd need three people minimum to get him up quickly.
 
2012-12-04 02:00:25 PM
dickfreckle: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental. The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the tracks.

Tourists take pictures of trains all the time, so don't hand me this BS about a camera flash being a warning. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that the pictures really were incidental.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PUBLISH THEM


Actually while it is legal to take pictures, (and a few years back, the MTA had attempted to ban even this), it is not legal to use a flash. And yes, they didn't have to publish it, but we are talking about the print version of FOX-news here.
 
2012-12-04 02:00:27 PM

cryinoutloud: had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.

Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.

/Don't know, don't live around subways.


I think a normal man could lift someone out of there, presumably they would be helping you out a bit and not total dead weight. But if it all happened too fast that's another story...
 
2012-12-04 02:00:30 PM
Bad on the Post for putting this on their front page -- almost certainly to make a buck.

On the other hand, there might be one or two people who look at that picture, give some thought to what they'd do if it happened to them, and end up surviving (by dropping down between the tracks) when it *does* happen to them.
 
2012-12-04 02:00:50 PM
wasn't this how Seinfeld ended pretty much?
 
2012-12-04 02:00:58 PM
Traditional media may be shiat, but blogs and aggregators like Gawker and Fark are the flies and roaches that feed off it.

If that pic is so distasteful, why do you keep giving it the attention it craves?
 
2012-12-04 02:01:07 PM
New York's alright, New York's alright
New York's alright if you like saxophones
New York's alright if you wanna get pushed in front of the subway
New York's alright if you like tuberculosis
New York's alright if you like art and jazz
New York's alright if you're a homosexual
New york's alright, New York's alright
New York's alright if you like saxophones
New York's alright if you like drunks in your doorway
New York's alright if you wanna freeze to death
New York's alright if you wanna get mugged or murdered
New York's alright if you like saxophones
New York's alright, New York's alright
New York's alright if you like saxophones
 
2012-12-04 02:01:40 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.

This was also the plot of an episode of "Homicide: Life on the streets" back in the 90s
 
2012-12-04 02:01:41 PM

ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]


That photographer eventually committed suicide.
 
2012-12-04 02:02:36 PM

Fissile: The NYP is a hardcore Teahadist rag that preaches Randoidism......money trumps(no pun intended) all..........to "high rollers" most of whom have a net worth that rises into the low five figures.


Yes, it is the rag of choice for the barely educated fodder in the finance industry here.
 
2012-12-04 02:02:43 PM

offmymeds: Have a look at the comments.

Link


FTC:

Jean Vuckovich-Evener
As a Libtard will say, Let's ban Subways!

Chao Liang
No let's not. When subways and trains kill, it's a tragedy and accident. When guns kill, it's just doing its job.

Jean Vuckovich-Evener
Well in this sad case the subway did it's job.



Oh lawd...
 
2012-12-04 02:04:16 PM
As a photographer, you have to ask yourself, "What would Peter Parker do?"
 
2012-12-04 02:04:37 PM
Subway....eat fresh
 
2012-12-04 02:04:38 PM
The photographer looks to be about as far away from him as the train was. Unless there a phone booth nearby where he could have switched out of his disguise as a mild-mannered reporter and swooped in to save the day, what's he gonna do?
 
2012-12-04 02:05:06 PM
They have nothing on Alarma TV.

Last month Alarma TV had a video of a guy caught between the subway car and the wall as the train came. It spun him around like a top between the cars and the wall till he came apart.

I DVR'd it and show it to people if they are willing to watch. They always wish they didn't watch the video.
 
2012-12-04 02:05:07 PM
There's a ladder at both ends of the platform. Try to remember this for your own safety.
 
2012-12-04 02:05:20 PM
had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.

Like the 2 guys in the center
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-04 02:05:26 PM

Hoopy Frood: The photographer looks to be about as far away from him as the train was. Unless there a phone booth nearby where he could have switched out of his disguise as a mild-mannered reporter and swooped in to save the day, what's he gonna do?


^was^ a phone booth nearby.
 
2012-12-04 02:05:29 PM

under a mountain: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x391]

They also published this.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 02:05:57 PM

SpectroBoy: had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.

Ummmmmm wow.

If there were even TWO decent humans on the platform they would have grabbed the poor guys arms and pulled.



depends on how fast the train went by
 
2012-12-04 02:06:14 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: IF IT BLEEDS, IT LEADS


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Agrees
 
2012-12-04 02:07:07 PM

SirEattonHogg: This is exactly why I never stand close to the platform edge while waiting for the train.


This. Or engage in conversation with strangers while waiting for a train. You never know who the crazies are.
 
2012-12-04 02:07:14 PM
My guess is his natural reaction to dangerous situations is to snap pictures. Hard to beat those types of automated responses when something life-threatening is happening. This idea he was using the flash to warn the conductor is nonsense, of course, and posting the images is disgusting, but I imagine the photographer simply was not thinking during the incident. Would abandon the idea of quick thinking, though, because then he is simply a profiteering asshole.
 
2012-12-04 02:07:18 PM
Isn't that like, negligent manslaughter or somesuch? I feel guilty on humanity's behalf just having seen the picture.
 
2012-12-04 02:08:02 PM
Gawker expresses its disapproval by linking to the NY Post story and paraphrasing just enough of it to pique readers' curiosity.
 
2012-12-04 02:08:41 PM

Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.


Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.
 
2012-12-04 02:09:14 PM

Millennium: That's low, man. I wonder if the photographer can be held liable for negligent homicide.


wat
 
2012-12-04 02:09:24 PM

darth_badger: They have nothing on Alarma TV.

Last month Alarma TV had a video of a guy caught between the subway car and the wall as the train came. It spun him around like a top between the cars and the wall till he came apart.

I DVR'd it and show it to people if they are willing to watch. They always wish they didn't watch the video.


I saw an animated gif the other day of a guy getting kicked in the head and then falling into a subway train that was going by, he fell into the train and and down onto the platform, his head kept banging off the doors as they went by and his arm went down the side, when someone pulled him out part of his arm fell off.
 
2012-12-04 02:09:38 PM
Honest question: if the guy couldn't climb out in time, could he have survived by diving between the tracks and lying as low as possible? I don't know much about the underside of subway trains, but it seems at least more plausible than being cut in two on the edge like that.
 
2012-12-04 02:12:25 PM
Dumb ways to die-ie-ie....
 
2012-12-04 02:13:58 PM
Someone need to inform Rupert Mudoch that something he owns is morally and ethically questionable!
 
2012-12-04 02:14:06 PM
The Post also just posted the picture of the rape victim that was testifying against a prominent Hasidic Jew.

The photographer (A courtroom supporter of the defendant) who took it was charged with contempt. The editors of the Post should be charged as well.
 
2012-12-04 02:14:42 PM

had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.


It's not that much of a risk. It's enough of a risk that you can't be legally charged with negligence for not helping, I assume (not sure on how that works) but it's not risk on the level that most reasonable people should avoid it.

And no one's expecting him to superman one-armed lift the dude to safety, we're just expecting him to brace your feet and offer a hand so the guy had a differential grip to climb up. The difference between having one ledge to hold on to and climb up and an additional handhold above that ledge, especially if that handhold is someone giving you a pull, is substantial.

cryinoutloud: Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.


Again, you don't have to bodily lift someone's entire weight to help them climb up something. But yes, most subways actually do have space either to the side of the train's path (under the platform) or between the rails dug out specifically for when people fall in. That's kind of like saying that people that are drowning can usually just relax and float, though, generally speaking people under the impression they're about to die aren't thinking clearly, and that's why they need help in the first place.
 
2012-12-04 02:15:12 PM

Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.


Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?
 
2012-12-04 02:15:42 PM

Arn_Dee: Isn't that like, negligent manslaughter or somesuch? I feel guilty on humanity's behalf just having seen the picture.


I don't think the generally law gives citizens a duty to reach in front of oncoming trains to grab people.
 
2012-12-04 02:16:53 PM

pmmal: sigdiamond2000: Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Well, whoever is most to blame, I'm sure we can all agree on one thing: New York City is the greatest city in the world.

New York New York isn't everything they say
There's no place I'd rather be
Where else can you see a man hit by a train
All at a quarter to three?


It really, really kicked him in the a-a-a-ass?
 
2012-12-04 02:17:34 PM
1) I don't buy the "I was trying to signal the conductor to stop the train" cover story.

2) But it isn't clear to me the photographer would have had time to help the victim without putting himself at risk too.

3) On the other hand, why cook up a BS story about trying to signal the conductor unless you felt guilty about something?

Hmmm.
 
2012-12-04 02:20:39 PM

Captain Darling: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?


Hey, we have a right to not see pictures of things we'd rather not think about. How can someone just take a picture of and unpleasant reality and remind us about it?

The photographer is the problem, not the conditions that caused it in the first place, not the people who commit atrocities, and not the folks who could have done something about it.
 
2012-12-04 02:20:41 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


You shall have a pair of copper underwear that men shall tremble to behold...

smokinhotbooks.com
 
2012-12-04 02:20:43 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Gawker expresses its disapproval by linking to the NY Post story and paraphrasing just enough of it to pique readers' curiosity.


This.

"Click 'here' to see how reprehensible the NY Post is!"
 
2012-12-04 02:21:24 PM

Gunderson: The Post also just posted the picture of the rape victim that was testifying against a prominent Hasidic Jew.

The photographer (A courtroom supporter of the defendant) who took it was charged with contempt. The editors of the Post should be charged as well.


I didn't know that. Now I hate the Post even more than before. How disgusting.
 
2012-12-04 02:21:52 PM
You have to remember, also, that there weren't minutes between the man being thrown onto the tracks and the train coming, it was a matter of, like, a second. He wasn't simply thrown onto the tracks, he was thrown into the path of an oncoming train. If I see a man throwing another man into the path of an oncoming train, I'm RUNNING THE OTHER WAY. There was absolutely no time to gather the strongest on the platform and gracefully pull the man up. Don't be deceived by the calm in the picture which looks like there was all the time in the WORLD to help him. There wasn't.
 
2012-12-04 02:22:10 PM
We live in a depraved society... It's one thing to laugh about farked up stuff on fark.com, it's another to put that on the front page of a news paper...
 
2012-12-04 02:22:53 PM
Using the flash to warn the driver? Yeah, it is not like the rain has headlights, so I guess I should bling the driver so there is an even lower chance of him seeing the dude.

The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the track
The guy on the tracks does not look like a fatso. You should be able to give him a hand. I don't know what I would do in such a situation. Either help or turn away as I really don't need to see a man squished (again), but taking photos? Even if you tried to help and failed, I think you could much rather live with that decision than snapping pictures.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:20 PM
Doesn't the photographer's actions make a case for violating New York Good Samaritan Laws?

/Appreciate input from Fark-lawyers.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:59 PM

Super Chronic: So this is why they call it "Gawker." No, wait, it's perfectly fine for them to republish the photo for the noble and totally non-voyeuristic purpose of allowing us to register our moral outrage.

/fark both them and the Post


And here we are, farking both them and the Post.

www.outridersearch.ca
 
2012-12-04 02:25:31 PM

Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.


so there IS justice in the world?

didn't think i could feel better after viewing this thread - well done indeed
 
2012-12-04 02:26:08 PM

whistleridge: Honest question: if the guy couldn't climb out in time, could he have survived by diving between the tracks and lying as low as possible? I don't know much about the underside of subway trains, but it seems at least more plausible than being cut in two on the edge like that.


Yes. Some other guy did it a few months ago when a little kid fell on the tracks.
 
2012-12-04 02:26:18 PM
Maybe the two guys were in a game show...

www.popularmechanics.com
 
2012-12-04 02:26:39 PM

whistleridge: Honest question: if the guy couldn't climb out in time, could he have survived by diving between the tracks and lying as low as possible? I don't know much about the underside of subway trains, but it seems at least more plausible than being cut in two on the edge like that.


Yes, in fact IIRC there are a couple Fark headlines about one incident in which a bystander jumped down onto the tracks and pushed a would-be victim to the ground and a second one when Disney treated him to a free vacation at DisneyWorld. There's a gap below the train that can fit an average sized person. Of course, good luck remembering that (or anything else for that matter) when a train is coming right at you.
 
2012-12-04 02:27:11 PM

Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.


Now I feel even more like a shiat for laughing. It's just disturbing that the media would so hungrily jump on such a photo. I imagined the picture of the vulture and the starving boy with the headline, "THIS CHILD IS ABOUT TO DIE!" and the inappropriateness of it got me giggling.

/I'm a douche
 
2012-12-04 02:28:28 PM
I visit NYC frequently & this is why I avoid (as much as possible) the crazy people talking to themselves - and there are a lot of them in the subway stations. There's no way of knowing how they'll react in any given situation and it's scary being stuck in the train car with one of them. Stay back from the tracks & don't talk to crazies.
 
2012-12-04 02:28:35 PM

Headso: darth_badger: They have nothing on Alarma TV.

Last month Alarma TV had a video of a guy caught between the subway car and the wall as the train came. It spun him around like a top between the cars and the wall till he came apart.

I DVR'd it and show it to people if they are willing to watch. They always wish they didn't watch the video.

I saw an animated gif the other day of a guy getting kicked in the head and then falling into a subway train that was going by, he fell into the train and and down onto the platform, his head kept banging off the doors as they went by and his arm went down the side, when someone pulled him out part of his arm fell off.


The guy i saw was split at the waist.
 
2012-12-04 02:30:01 PM
Wasn't there a dude a few years ago who jumped onto the tracks and covered a guy while a train passed over them? Just something to compare.

I guess that stark contrast in human beings still amazes me. Put your life at risk to save another or start taking photos for profit.
 
2012-12-04 02:30:13 PM

Captain Darling: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?


is that a troll? if so... meh 4/10

if not & you really need it explained to you, just holler

o what the hell - here you go: being in a position to help and choosing instead to make a profit is pretty freaking horrible.

being a chickenshiat coward and hiding behind "don't vilify the messenger" just makes you extra cock-punch worthy
 
2012-12-04 02:31:46 PM
lol @ newspapers
 
2012-12-04 02:33:26 PM
All the poor schmuck had to do was take 2 steps back, AWAY from the platform, and stand between the upright beams, just the same way as the people who work down there do on a regular basis.
 
2012-12-04 02:34:13 PM

inner ted: Captain Darling: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?

is that a troll? if so... meh 4/10

if not & you really need it explained to you, just holler

o what the hell - here you go: being in a position to help and choosing instead to make a profit is pretty freaking horrible.

being a chickenshiat coward and hiding behind "don't vilify the messenger" just makes you extra cock-punch worthy


When you vilify the messenger instead of the guy who pushed the man or the other lookers-on, you are attacking the messenger.


Also, awareness, pic of assailant, etc...
 
2012-12-04 02:35:49 PM

Hoopy Frood: The photographer looks to be about as far away from him as the train was. Unless there a phone booth nearby where he could have switched out of his disguise as a mild-mannered reporter and swooped in to save the day, what's he gonna do?


It's hard to judge depth and distance in a photograph; the lens choice and cropping can really play tricks on your perception.

With that said, depending on which end of the platform the guy was on, and how close the train was when he went down, there may not have been anything anyone could have done other than run over to get a real close look as the guy was squashed.

Also keep in mind that a good kick followed by a four foot drop onto a steel rail is enough to stun and disorient many people already. Add in the panic induced by a train bearing down, and the only thing a would-be rescuer is likely to be able to do with a few seconds time is to be clawed at furtively by the victim. If you're lucky, you might start to pull him out. If you're unlucky, he might start to pull you in. Either way, it's not as cut-and-dried as people seem to think.

// Running the picture was worse than tasteless. I avoid ogrish photos on the web; I don't want to see them on the front page at a newsstand.
 
2012-12-04 02:38:25 PM

cryinoutloud: Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.

/Don't know, don't live around subways.



He's a middle age asian man so he's neither huge nor heavy and he's not deadweight so what he needs most is leverage and an assist.
 
2012-12-04 02:38:44 PM
yessir and can you guess the post's politics?
hint: it's owned by murdoch.
 
2012-12-04 02:41:09 PM

Omahawg: i had a shirt-tail relation commit suicide by train once upon a time

they found his ear a block away

but only one of them


What is a shirt-tail relation?
 
2012-12-04 02:41:57 PM
Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.
 
2012-12-04 02:42:28 PM
- I'm betting the "free lance" photographer was a willing conspirator.
- I'm also betting the victim was on those tracks for a reason.

I'd also be willing to bet that every street photographer has had this type of situation run through his or her head a million times. Your passion - photography - will be seen by millions and remembered forever. Even if it's the New York Post. You take the picture.
 
2012-12-04 02:42:56 PM
I thought pictures of imminent death, like the famous one where a car hits a pack of cyclists, was instant bannination?
 
2012-12-04 02:45:49 PM
Tried to find the Bill Burr subway bit on YouTube, laughed my ass off but couldn't find it. It think it was a show he did in Philly- first thing I thought of tho.
That being funny and all I would have tried to help pull the victim to safety. Watching the video of the argument, you can see multiple people fairly close by. That picture on the front page gives me the chills, no one to be seen but him at that point. They must have all just backed away as soon as it got physical. He must have felt so alone.
 
2012-12-04 02:47:29 PM

under a mountain: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x391]

They also published this.


It's a Mourdock production. Expecting it to have any sense of class, taste or basic respect for humanity is a bit much.
 
2012-12-04 02:48:09 PM

mittromneysdog: 1) I don't buy the "I was trying to signal the conductor to stop the train" cover story.

2) But it isn't clear to me the photographer would have had time to help the victim without putting himself at risk too.

3) On the other hand, why cook up a BS story about trying to signal the conductor unless you felt guilty about something?

Hmmm.


People often blurt out lame stories when they're under attack. Few are as cool, calm, and collected as George Zimmerman.
 
2012-12-04 02:48:43 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.


All of that is in your very vivid and disturbing imagination. Without the context, all you see is a man climbing near the platform. He could be some other person going down to check on the victim as the train leaves for all you know.
 
2012-12-04 02:49:13 PM

Lumpmoose: I can't guarantee I wouldn't be one of the people panicking if I were in that situation and I definitely can't guarantee that I'd heroically run to his rescue. Based on TFA, maybe most people have to be trained to handle quick-reaction emergencies like that or at least think about such things ahead of time. Maybe living in cities or society in general dampens the 'fight' side of the fight or flight response. And maybe you can never predict how you'd act in a situation like that until you're actually in it.


Maybe they were getting the fark away from the train because there was a pusher on the platform. Not exactly noble, but understandable.
 
2012-12-04 02:49:48 PM
Last summer I was waiting on the platform and some drunk idiot fell onto the tracks with a C train approaching the station. I was nowhere near the edge of the platform and had to push through the mass of rush hour commuters to get to the guy and help him up. Only one other person tried to help the guy off the tracks. Everyone else was too busy filming the incident with their phones. Fortunately the conductor saw the commotion and stopped the train in time.

Despite having a near death experience, all the rush hour commuters promptly berated the drunk guy for delaying the train. And for my good efforts, my iPad was stolen from my bag as I put it down to help the guy get onto the platform.

So yeah. fark you, NYC.
 
2012-12-04 02:50:31 PM

StrangeQ: under a mountain: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x391]

They also published this.

It's a Murdoch production. Expecting it to have any sense of class, taste or basic respect for humanity is a bit much.


FTFM
 
2012-12-04 02:50:47 PM
It really makes me wonder why the platforms don't have a couple foot overhang to them so that if you did fall or were pushed onto the tracks you'd be able to scamper to safety under the overhang when the train came. Wold that really be so hard to do?
 
2012-12-04 02:50:53 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.


Circulation: 555,327 weekdays

While we're at it, let's keep blaming Walmart for its workers' conditions.
 
2012-12-04 02:51:03 PM

Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.


He took the photo during a UN food drop; the child's mother was probably no more than a few feet away standing in line to receive food aid for her entire family. What, exactly, would you have expected the photographer to do in that situation? Give the little girl a stick of beef jerky and tell her to fight with the vulture for a better photo?

Anyhow, according to wikipedia about two million people died during the Sudanese civil war. The scale of war, famine, and death that he witnessed went far beyond the ability of any one person to help. He didn't get PTSD and kill himself because of one shot. He got PTSD and killed himself because he was exposed to the unspeakable unstoppable grind of a brutal civil war.
 
2012-12-04 02:51:35 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


Why copper?
 
2012-12-04 02:52:17 PM

Cyrusv10: Doesn't the photographer's actions make a case for violating New York Good Samaritan Laws?

/Appreciate input from Fark-lawyers.


It landed the cast of Seinfeld in jail...
 
2012-12-04 02:53:01 PM

RugNug: sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.

Why copper?


Lighter than lead, cheaper than gold, easier to steal.
 
2012-12-04 02:53:26 PM

BafflerMeal: Omahawg: i had a shirt-tail relation commit suicide by train once upon a time

they found his ear a block away

but only one of them

What is a shirt-tail relation?


It's like a kissing cousin; you're only allowed to touchy-feely the part above the waist (i.e., shirt tails). It's generally your step-sisters, first cousins, and your aunt if she's only your mother's half sister.
 
2012-12-04 02:53:53 PM

teeny: Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]
That photographer eventually committed suicide.
Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.
Now I feel even more like a shiat for laughing. It's just disturbing that the media would so hungrily jump on such a photo. I imagined the picture of the vulture and the starving boy with the headline, "THIS CHILD IS ABOUT TO DIE!" and the inappropriateness of it got me giggling.
/I'm a douche


The guy didn't kill himself just because of that one photo. He killed himself because he was depressed, had been depressed for a long time, was on drugs, and then had a career where he spent years over in Africa and in war zones, taking photos, and saw shiat like that all the time. Then when he took that particular picture that made him famous, everyone piled on him asking why didn't he help the little kid, without understanding that maybe there were 100 kids just like that in the vicinity, and what was he supposed to do, feed all of them? He was a journalist, not an aid worker.

Maybe he should have picked up the little kid and tried to help her. And maybe he was just too overwhelmed by the things he recorded every day to do much except sit there and cry--which is what he did after taking the photo.
 
2012-12-04 02:54:08 PM

Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.


And? That photographer (Kevin Carter) had been taking pictures of all kinds of atrocities for ten years: war, necklacings in South Africa, one thing nastier than the next. He didn't just stumble onto a famine, take a picture then get all suicidy.

His backstory is a lot more complicated than that.
 
2012-12-04 02:55:20 PM

Shazam999: cryinoutloud: had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.

Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.

/Don't know, don't live around subways.

Yup. Lifting 200 lbs like that is pretty hard for the average person. You'd need three people minimum to get him up quickly.


Though that drop is pretty steep and I doubt most people would be able to hoist themselves up, two people laying down on the platform can reach down and help pull the guy up given that the train is slowing down and the victim is close enough to the front of the platform. Obviously adrenaline comes into play because you're worrying about someone potentially dying and taking you with them if you don't do it quick enough,

I'm just saying this from experience.
 
2012-12-04 02:55:30 PM

Snarfangel: Trainsplotching.


Trainsplatting?
 
2012-12-04 02:56:29 PM

super_grass: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.

All of that is in your very vivid and disturbing imagination. Without the context, all you see is a man climbing near the platform. He could be some other person going down to check on the victim as the train leaves for all you know.


Well, sure. If you were completely illiterate and unable to read the headline printed right on the photo, I suppose you wouldn't have that context. You could assume that he was just an electrician going down to check the signal mechanism, or a janitor going down to pick up trash off the track.

And if you were completely illiterate, you're probably the target audience for the New York Post. So, I guess that works out.
 
2012-12-04 02:57:18 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: BarkingUnicorn: Gawker expresses its disapproval by linking to the NY Post story and paraphrasing just enough of it to pique readers' curiosity.

This.

"Click 'here' to see how reprehensible the NY Post is!"


How many people do you think would read a Gawker article like this and then not bother going to the NY Post site anyway to see it for themselves?
 
2012-12-04 02:58:22 PM

cryinoutloud: had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.

Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.

/Don't know, don't live around subways.


I jumped down on subway tracks to get my glasses back. Was able to jump back out again pretty easily. I think if someone had tried to pull this man up, and he had helped, they would have gotten him out.
 
2012-12-04 03:01:42 PM
Come on, guys. Is it too farking hard to read the article? Many questions answered.

Oh, and btw, the picture of the kid and the vulture... you need to look up the bio before you think that photographer was inhuman. Yes, the kid was starving, and yes, there was a vulture in the background. But the kid didn't starve to death, at least not there. The vulture was farther away than you would guess but the picture's vantage point makes you believe it's right there; and the kid along with his siblings was resting (obviously the body not holding up so well) at the edge of the village where food supplies had just come in.

The photographer, who did commit suicide, didn't commit suicide over this picture per se, but over the terrible suffering he had witnessed in the region and his inability to do anything about it.
 
2012-12-04 03:02:18 PM
" Goddamn The Pushherman. "

John Kay / Steppenwolf
 
2012-12-04 03:02:58 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I am shocked that the New York Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has demonstrated a lack of ethics or even simple human decency, but instead chose to exploit a person's death.

Shocked.


mentula: yessir and can you guess the post's politics?
hint: it's owned by murdoch.


You would be interested to know, then, that just this year, less than four months ago, on page one of the urbane, thoughtful and sophisticated New York Times was this bloody photo of the aftermath of a mass shooting (WARNING: GRAPHIC).

Gawker itself ran this even more explicit photo of the same incident (WARNING: ALSO GRAPHIC). 

They ALL want dirty laundry. The Post (and the Daily News) are the only ones who are frank about it.
 
2012-12-04 03:06:22 PM

RexTalionis: Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.

There's been a rash of anti-Asian violence in the last 4 years. A few years ago, there was a rash of incidents involving kids who were beating up elderly Asian people in NYC. I think there was an NYT article on it.


the guy was acting crazy. everyone just got as far away from the guy as possible. the asian guy tried to talk some sense into him. he was pushed because he tried to talk to a crazy person, not because the crazy person was singling out asians.
 
2012-12-04 03:06:38 PM
I'm more offended about that article having a quote from Howard Stern.
 
2012-12-04 03:08:38 PM

safari joe does it again: Though that drop is pretty steep and I doubt most people would be able to hoist themselves up, two people laying down on the platform can reach down and help pull the guy up given that the train is slowing down and the victim is close enough to the front of the platform.


I don't think you realize just how fast those trains come into the station. I have no idea which end of the platform the guy is on, and I don't know how long before the train came he was kicked off the platform. But let's set the stage:

1) There's a big deranged crazy man on the platform kicking people in front of the train.
2) There's a smaller guy confused and panicking and clawing at the edge of the platform, near the crazy guy
3) Most of the people around you are trying to get away from the crazy train-kicking guy
4) There's a train coming, and it's coming fast.

You're telling me that you'd find the nearest strong-looking guy and ask him to go over and pull the little guy off the track? What are you going to do about the train-kicking guy? What if he decides to kick you in too, while you're bent over the tracks with your ass sticking up in the air trying to help the guy on the track? What are you going to do if there's no calm looking strong guy to help? What are you going to do if the little guy has some sort of panic strength, and he starts to pull you in? It's easy to second-guess this, but all you have is a photo and little or no context.
 
2012-12-04 03:09:49 PM

Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.


the more people there are, the less inclined a person is to help.
 
2012-12-04 03:11:18 PM

cryinoutloud: Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that.


Skinny old asian dude? 150 tops.
 
2012-12-04 03:13:25 PM
CSS: Just this Saturday I was on 57th St and 7th Avenue at around 1am.

There was a body. I mean, this guy was stone cold, vomit over his mouth, and his eyes were open and he wasn't blinking. He wasn't responsive and I didn't notice any signs of breathing. A crowd of kids had crowded around him to "see the dead body". Right across from a Halal truck. We asked the Halal truck how long he had been there and they said "oh I dunno... 15 minutes or so?"

Not ONE person had called 911.

My husband had his phone on him and I made him call 911. We waited for about 5 more minutes for the cops to come. Again, this guy isn't blinking, and from what I could tell wasn't breathing.

Right then, one of the kids literally KICKS the dead guy. No joke the "dead guy" jumps up and is awake. He's obviously on drugs or something, but I had NEVER in my life been so sure this guy was dead, and to see him wake up was incredibly shocking. He was a kid, well dressed, probably in his 20's. On the floor he looked like a 40-something year old bum.

So I'm waiting for the ambulance with him and I buy him a water. Yeah, the farking Halal guys charged me farking $3 for a gawddamn bottle of water. I told the guys, wtf? I'm helping YOU guys out here moving the dead guy!

But truly, I couldn't get over the fact that not one person in Midtown tried to help this guy. I know the Kitty Genovese case isn't factual, but I couldn't help making the comparison.
 
2012-12-04 03:16:50 PM

The Larch: super_grass: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.

All of that is in your very vivid and disturbing imagination. Without the context, all you see is a man climbing near the platform. He could be some other person going down to check on the victim as the train leaves for all you know.

Well, sure. If you were completely illiterate and unable to read the headline printed right on the photo, I suppose you wouldn't have that context. You could assume that he was just an electrician going down to check the signal mechanism, or a janitor going down to pick up trash off the track.

And if you were completely illiterate, you're probably the target audience for the New York Post. So, I guess that works out.


And a picture of JFK before he was shot is just as gory as a picture of his brains splattered out, right? Because that's what you're implying, yet you chose a personal attack instead.

Congratulations, you honorary soccer mom badge should arrive in the mail in a few weeks.
 
2012-12-04 03:17:46 PM

super_grass: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.

All of that is in your very vivid and disturbing imagination. Without the context, all you see is a man climbing near the platform. He could be some other person going down to check on the victim as the train leaves for all you know.


You're probably joking, but I use that platform at least once a week. So, no.
 
2012-12-04 03:18:23 PM

Headso: I think a normal man could lift someone out of there, presumably they would be helping you out a bit and not total dead weight. But if it all happened too fast that's another story...


Pulling a guy from the tracks is comparable to a deadlift. The guy was probably no more than 175 lbs. If he is jumping or also pushing up against the top of the platform, then he is reducing your load as well. The biggest risk is leaning too far forward, losing your balance and toppling in front of the train yourself (which is increased if the panicked guy is pulling on you).
 
2012-12-04 03:20:04 PM

Lollipop165: CSS: Just this Saturday I was on 57th St and 7th Avenue at around 1am.

There was a body. I mean, this guy was stone cold, vomit over his mouth, and his eyes were open and he wasn't blinking. He wasn't responsive and I didn't notice any signs of breathing. A crowd of kids had crowded around him to "see the dead body". Right across from a Halal truck. We asked the Halal truck how long he had been there and they said "oh I dunno... 15 minutes or so?"

Not ONE person had called 911.

My husband had his phone on him and I made him call 911. We waited for about 5 more minutes for the cops to come. Again, this guy isn't blinking, and from what I could tell wasn't breathing.

Right then, one of the kids literally KICKS the dead guy. No joke the "dead guy" jumps up and is awake. He's obviously on drugs or something, but I had NEVER in my life been so sure this guy was dead, and to see him wake up was incredibly shocking. He was a kid, well dressed, probably in his 20's. On the floor he looked like a 40-something year old bum.

So I'm waiting for the ambulance with him and I buy him a water. Yeah, the farking Halal guys charged me farking $3 for a gawddamn bottle of water. I told the guys, wtf? I'm helping YOU guys out here moving the dead guy!

But truly, I couldn't get over the fact that not one person in Midtown tried to help this guy. I know the Kitty Genovese case isn't factual, but I couldn't help making the comparison.


To the halal guy, it probably looked like it was just another junkie nodding off in front of his cart after a hot dose. He probably doesn't like junkies shooting up in front of his cart, and was upset that you were encouraging him with water.

Of course, it could have been a lot of things. Maybe the guy was having a stroke. Maybe he we going into a diabetic shock. Maybe he fell and hit his head. I really have no idea.

// Anyhow, everyone knows you shouldn't kick a dead body. That's barbaric. You're supposed to poke them with a stick.
/// Maybe they don't have sticks in Manhattan.
//// Someone should start a charity. For only 50 cents a day, less than a cup of coffee, you can buy one poor Manhattan street urchin a body pokin' stick.
 
2012-12-04 03:21:01 PM
Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental.

...and yet so purposefully framed. Then published on the Post's front page. Typical News Corp... the worst humanity has to offer.
 
2012-12-04 03:21:09 PM

liam76: cryinoutloud: Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that.
Skinny old asian dude? 150 tops.


Are you trying to tell me that you'd be able to lean over, dangerously overbalancing yourself, and deadlift a guy from six feet below you, not even taking into account how fast the train is coming? I have limited experience with subways, but it seems like they come in pretty fast and then stop fast. So this guy had only a couple of seconds before he was hit when that picture was taken. And no one is anywhere near him.

The best outcome I can see for someone trying to help is that they run over there, lean over and get their head lopped off too.
 
2012-12-04 03:23:16 PM

super_grass: inner ted: Captain Darling: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?

is that a troll? if so... meh 4/10

if not & you really need it explained to you, just holler

o what the hell - here you go: being in a position to help and choosing instead to make a profit is pretty freaking horrible.

being a chickenshiat coward and hiding behind "don't vilify the messenger" just makes you extra cock-punch worthy

When you vilify the messenger instead of the guy who pushed the man or the other lookers-on, you are attacking the messenger.


Also, awareness, pic of assailant, etc...


please don't misunderstand: the pusher needs to be pushed off a tall building

the photographer i referred to (starving kid & vulture) was more than an innocent messenger. he/she was actively profiting from a tragedy he/she could as easily helped to prevent.

not sure what you are referencing about the 'awareness, pic of assailant, etc"
 
2012-12-04 03:23:35 PM
images.tvrage.com
upload.wikimedia.org

Makes for great television, though.

/and a lifetime fear of standing anywhere near the tracks until the subway has arrived
 
2012-12-04 03:24:16 PM

Surool: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental.

...and yet so purposefully framed. Then published on the Post's front page. Typical News Corp... the worst humanity has to offer.


You must be appalled by the existence disaster and war coverage.
 
2012-12-04 03:27:39 PM
Count me in with the "I thought the platform had an overhang for just this reason" crowd. Not sure about the lying-down-between-the-tracks idea. Many trains (though I can't speak to NYC subway trains in particular) have hoses and couplings that hang down between cars. I'd hate to lie between the rails and think I saved myself, only to be hit at 50mph with chains, 4-inch air hoses and heavy duty steel valves.
 
2012-12-04 03:27:48 PM

super_grass: And a picture of JFK before he was shot is just as gory as a picture of his brains splattered out, right? Because that's what you're implying, yet you chose a personal attack instead.

Congratulations, you honorary soccer mom badge should arrive in the mail in a few weeks.


A picture of JFK in the Dallas motorcade a millisecond before the second shot rips the back of his head off, with a big headline saying "THIS MAN IS DOOMED", sounds pretty gory to me. But maybe you don't think so.
 
2012-12-04 03:28:08 PM

super_grass: Surool: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental.

...and yet so purposefully framed. Then published on the Post's front page. Typical News Corp... the worst humanity has to offer.

You must be appalled by the existence disaster and war coverage.


Do those photographers have the ability to stop the wars they cover?
 
2012-12-04 03:28:15 PM

cryinoutloud: liam76: cryinoutloud: Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that.
Skinny old asian dude? 150 tops.

Are you trying to tell me that you'd be able to lean over, dangerously overbalancing yourself, and deadlift a guy from six feet below you, not even taking into account how fast the train is coming? I have limited experience with subways, but it seems like they come in pretty fast and then stop fast. So this guy had only a couple of seconds before he was hit when that picture was taken. And no one is anywhere near him.

The best outcome I can see for someone trying to help is that they run over there, lean over and get their head lopped off too.


Not saying I would run over with the train that close.

Actually I am pretty farking sure I wouldn't.

I am pointing out that lifting someoen like that (especially if they are helping) isn't that physically taxing for an adult male in moderate shape.
 
2012-12-04 03:29:22 PM

inner ted: the photographer i referred to (starving kid & vulture) was more than an innocent messenger. he/she was actively profiting from a tragedy he/she could as easily helped to prevent.


Look at how stupid you are.
 
2012-12-04 03:29:42 PM
Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
3.bp.blogspot.com
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
farm3.static.flickr.com
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.
 
2012-12-04 03:30:15 PM
The New York Post and this photographer are absolutely contemptible trash, and their excuses about warning the photographer with a flash and being unable to help pull the guy up reek of bullshiat.
 
2012-12-04 03:30:50 PM
Errrr, warning the train driver I mean.
 
2012-12-04 03:30:54 PM

Surool: super_grass: Surool: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental.

...and yet so purposefully framed. Then published on the Post's front page. Typical News Corp... the worst humanity has to offer.

You must be appalled by the existence disaster and war coverage.

Do those photographers have the ability to stop the wars they cover?


Anderson Cooper could have picked up a rifle and patrolled for snipers and insurgents or save a few Haitians' lives if he volunteered instead of reporting.
 
2012-12-04 03:31:20 PM
russell simmons' fb page posted [trolled] this tragic photo

/his global grind site is a horrific explosion of long-form pop-up ads
 
2012-12-04 03:31:31 PM
there was probably some fear from the bystanders that if they tried to help the asian guy the crazy person threw onto the tracks, the crazy person would push them over the side as well. From what I read, he didn't run away until after the asian guy was run over by the train. If the crazy guy is still there and considering he had just thrown one person in front of the oncoming train ... do you take the chance?
 
2012-12-04 03:32:25 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Someone need to inform Rupert Mudoch that something he owns is morally and ethically questionable!


Who owns the Gawker? Want to take a guess at who the photographer voted for? Trying to score partisan points off this is stupid.

Living in New York City baffles me. It reminds me of scientology in a way. Expensive as hell, soul-draining, ultimately futile, but everyone feverishly avoids the introspection that would reveal this by running around telling everyone else how great it is.

But to each his own.
 
2012-12-04 03:33:29 PM
If subways were outlawed, this poor guy would still be alive
 
2012-12-04 03:33:56 PM

super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental.

...and yet so purposefully framed. Then published on the Post's front page. Typical News Corp... the worst humanity has to offer.

You must be appalled by the existence disaster and war coverage.

Do those photographers have the ability to stop the wars they cover?

Anderson Cooper could have picked up a rifle and patrolled for snipers and insurgents or save a few Haitians' lives if he volunteered instead of reporting.


Actually, Anderson did help out as well as report. Got anything else in you bag of derp?
 
2012-12-04 03:36:01 PM

TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.


Just admit it... you have absolutely no clue where the third rail is in those photographs, do you? You're not even entirely sure what the third rail is, or why you're not supposed to touch it. Maybe it's covered in poison ivy or something?

Anyhow, for the rest of you, never never never follow Tommy Palindrome's advice here. The third rail is that big steel bar that's jammed right up against those alcoves that he points out, and would be sending 600 volts and hundreds of amps of electricity through your legs the second you brushed up against it trying to wedge yourself into one of those holes.
 
2012-12-04 03:36:11 PM

The Larch: inner ted: the photographer i referred to (starving kid & vulture) was more than an innocent messenger. he/she was actively profiting from a tragedy he/she could as easily helped to prevent.

Look at how stupid you are.


aww, make you sad?

or are you here to prattle on about how the poor photographer was helpless to do anything (except take photos and make $$)

please, do go on. it's intriguing
 
2012-12-04 03:40:22 PM

inner ted: aww, make you sad?
or are you here to prattle on about how the poor photographer was helpless to do anything (except take photos and make $$)
please, do go on. it's intriguing


He's dead now, long before his time, and he died a tormented man. That's not good enough for you? I don't think you're the guy to be making judgments about anyone else's character.
 
2012-12-04 03:40:27 PM

Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental.

...and yet so purposefully framed. Then published on the Post's front page. Typical News Corp... the worst humanity has to offer.

You must be appalled by the existence disaster and war coverage.

Do those photographers have the ability to stop the wars they cover?

Anderson Cooper could have picked up a rifle and patrolled for snipers and insurgents or save a few Haitians' lives if he volunteered instead of reporting.

Actually, Anderson did help out as well as report. Got anything else in you bag of derp?


But he didn't choose to spend ALL his time helping, nor did he pick up rifles when he was at Afghanistan or Iraq, nor did the cameramen.

Wouldn't that be wrong according to your "logic"?
 
2012-12-04 03:43:31 PM

TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.


If you're in a hurry because, say, you're panicking as a train bears down on you, gingerly stepping over the 3rd rail (at least in these examples) is probably not going to happen.
 
2012-12-04 03:45:22 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: depends on how fast the train went by


Time enough to snap multiple pictures, sounds like.
 
2012-12-04 03:46:23 PM
Well, at least the NYP didn't accuse people of necrophilia, like Murdoch's The Sun did after the soccer stampede in Liverpool in the 1980s, so not a total low.
 
2012-12-04 03:48:06 PM

super_grass: Actually, Anderson did help out as well as report. Got anything else in you bag of derp?

But he didn't choose to spend ALL his time helping, nor did he pick up rifles when he was at Afghanistan or Iraq, nor did the cameramen.

Wouldn't that be wrong according to your "logic"?


You apparently can't grasp logic if you equate reporting in a war zone to standing like a dumbass and watching a guy die so you can get a good photo.
 
2012-12-04 03:49:08 PM

I should be in the kitchen: dickfreckle: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental. The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the tracks.

Tourists take pictures of trains all the time, so don't hand me this BS about a camera flash being a warning. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that the pictures really were incidental.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PUBLISH THEM

On the front page, no less. :-(

That's what bothers me the most. Well, that and the fact that the photog sold/gave the images to the paper. If I accidentally captured something like that, I'd first see if they'd be helpful to police or the transit authority and then delete the damn things. And probably burn the memory card... I'd feel just awful. I feel bad just thinking about it.


That is because you are a decent human being, unlike the savages at the Post.
 
2012-12-04 03:49:32 PM

cryinoutloud: inner ted: aww, make you sad?
or are you here to prattle on about how the poor photographer was helpless to do anything (except take photos and make $$)
please, do go on. it's intriguing

He's dead now, long before his time, and he died a tormented man. That's not good enough for you? I don't think you're the guy to be making judgments about anyone else's character.


no, that's about level. though to be honest, i'm not sure what the going rate on profiting from horror is.

i don't think you're the guy to be making judgements about me judging anyone else's character.
 
2012-12-04 03:50:59 PM

b3x: Not impressed
[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 654x821]


Awesome. Cannot wait for this mini series/movie/whatever the hell they're doing now.
 
2012-12-04 03:51:19 PM
I'm not sure those nooks have enough clearance to actually squeeze in to without getting fried by the third rail.
 
2012-12-04 03:52:31 PM

inner ted: The Larch: Look at how stupid you are.

aww, make you sad?


Well, yes. When you put it that way, I am sad that you're so stupid.
 
2012-12-04 03:54:41 PM
Marky Mark would have kept 9/11 from happening if he had been on one of those planes.
 
2012-12-04 03:55:20 PM

TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.


I'd be too terrified to touch the 3rd rail to walk over to those "safety" areas. And not too many of the platforms even have those.And by the way, I've asked a few people to guess which rail the "third rail" was and most of the time they had it wrong (it's hard to pick out if you don't know what you are looking for)

I've always heard you lay flat on the lowest part of the rails and let the train pass over you.
 
2012-12-04 03:57:14 PM

Daniels: I'm not sure those nooks have enough clearance to actually squeeze in to without getting fried by the third rail.


And, there's a drainage gutter between the tracks on both of Tommy Palndrome's photos, which isn't near the third rail, and whic does have enough space for a normal-sized person to fit into. You still have to worry about hose couplings and chains bouncing off your head, but if you're lucky you'll come out with nothing worse than a bath in fetid water. Which you'll actually appreciate, because it will mask the smell of the fresh poo load in your trousers.
 
2012-12-04 03:58:13 PM
I was standing on the 72nd. 2 train platform a year or two ago when I saw a woman jump down on the tracks to retrieve her sons hat. She then found the platform came up to her shoulders and found this the funniest thing. No shiat she was standing in the path of the express train and laughing. It was the only time in my life I can say I literally could not believe what I was seeing.

She was pretty short and fat but it was not too difficult to pull her back up. I'm big but hardly a prime physical specimen.
 
2012-12-04 03:58:41 PM
I am a New Yorker. Of course I'd heard about the incident, but I was utterly disgusted when an hour ago I went into the kiosk nearby and the Post was staring me in the face. I get that he was still alive and therefore there wasn't any actual gore in the image, but did it really need to be on the front page?! Knowing was was about to happen to him, having the headline reinforce exactly what was about to happen to him -- it is sickening.

I don't choose to read the Post for a reason. I don't need it to jump out at me and turn my stomach.
 
2012-12-04 03:59:05 PM
Send the Post back to Israel.
 
2012-12-04 03:59:37 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


Yep, millions of people die on public transportation every day.
 
2012-12-04 03:59:42 PM
Reminds me of the old photographer joke:

If a man was about to be hit by a speeding train and you had the choice to save him or take an epic photo, what aperture would you use?
 
2012-12-04 04:00:24 PM

dotvincent: I don't choose to read the Post for a reason. I don't need it to jump out at me and turn my stomach.


I've been to 3 stores today and not one was selling the Post.

I wonder if they were pulled by the Post, pulled by the store owners, or sold out.

/pleasedontsaysoldout pleasedontsaysoldout
 
2012-12-04 04:00:38 PM

The Larch: TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

Just admit it... you have absolutely no clue where the third rail is in those photographs, do you? You're not even entirely sure what the third rail is, or why you're not supposed to touch it. Maybe it's covered in poison ivy or something?

Anyhow, for the rest of you, never never never follow Tommy Palindrome's advice here. The third rail is that big steel bar that's jammed right up against those alcoves that he points out, and would be sending 600 volts and hundreds of amps of electricity through your legs the second you brushed up against it trying to wedge yourself into one of those holes.

=========

I think if you were really ambitious, went back to school, and studied really hard, you could some day be an imbecile.

I've seen track workers do it more than once.

I've had friends and relatives that worked for the MTA, as well as Amtrak, and Conrail.
What I said to do, is something MTA employees do several of times per day.
That big steel bar, has a wooden guardrail over it, and the train's "hot shoe" glides above it.
The electricity doesn't just jump out and grab you whenever it's in a mischievous mood.


/side note
Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".
 
2012-12-04 04:01:27 PM

Surool: super_grass: Actually, Anderson did help out as well as report. Got anything else in you bag of derp?

But he didn't choose to spend ALL his time helping, nor did he pick up rifles when he was at Afghanistan or Iraq, nor did the cameramen.

Wouldn't that be wrong according to your "logic"?

You apparently can't grasp logic if you equate reporting in a war zone to standing like a dumbass and watching a guy die so you can get a good photo.


You apparently can't grasp that sometimes there's nothing a photographer could do but take pictures when a train might kill him and the person on the track had he chose run towards it, and that he is probably neither the only person there, nor the closest person to the track.

But what matters here isn't that there are those who would push people onto the subway tracks, or that there weren't places where man could reach safety, or that the amount of risk any would-be rescuers would face.

What matters here it's that a photographer would have the audacity to take pictures of an extraordinary event and get recognition, and that *gasp* money would be exchanged. You don't care about the life lost and how we can prevent it without risking two lives, you care about your own superiority and how you would have heroically saved a man despite never actually being in that situation or near where it happened.
 
2012-12-04 04:02:17 PM

gweilo8888: The New York Post and this photographer are absolutely contemptible trash, and their excuses about warning the photographer with a flash and being unable to help pull the guy up reek of bullshiat.


Did you ever stop to think that the photographer may have been shooting with a long lens and was too far away to do anything? And what about others on the platform? Someone supposedly pushed the man onto the tracks. There must have been people around. Why didn't someone do something? This story is from the NY Post and further sensationalized by Gawker. You're supposed to roll your eyes and move on. Because in all probability, the event never occurred. Rather, someone snapped a shot of a subway worker doing something on the tracks in front of a stopped train is more likely.
 
2012-12-04 04:04:31 PM

super_grass: You apparently can't grasp that sometimes there's nothing a photographer could do but take pictures when a train might kill him and the person on the track had he chose run towards it, and that he is probably neither the only person there, nor the closest person to the track


You paint a wonderful defense for a photographer who won't f*ck you.

You weren't there and your assessment of the odds and outcomes are laughable. At least you are admitting he didn't even try now. Keep making up new stuff and maybe you can justify his actions in your mind.
 
2012-12-04 04:04:50 PM
Lately, I've been doing some old school gaming, and Syphon Filter has been my game of choice for the past few days.

Last night, I got stuck on a level where my dude kept getting hit by a subway train.

Then I had a dream about being stuck in a subway.

Scared the crap out of me. Now, this story is giving me the creeps.
 
2012-12-04 04:06:12 PM

LineNoise: Last I saw the numbers, the average number of people KILLED by the subway is a little more than one a week


[citation needed]
 
2012-12-04 04:07:01 PM

TommyymmoT: Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".


images.cdn.autocar.co.uk

It's the greatest diesel-electric car ..... in the world
 
2012-12-04 04:07:34 PM

JackieRabbit: gweilo8888: The New York Post and this photographer are absolutely contemptible trash, and their excuses about warning the photographer with a flash and being unable to help pull the guy up reek of bullshiat.

Did you ever stop to think that the photographer may have been shooting with a long lens and was too far away to do anything? And what about others on the platform? Someone supposedly pushed the man onto the tracks. There must have been people around. Why didn't someone do something? This story is from the NY Post and further sensationalized by Gawker. You're supposed to roll your eyes and move on. Because in all probability, the event never occurred. Rather, someone snapped a shot of a subway worker doing something on the tracks in front of a stopped train is more likely.


Except, you know, all the other news agencies reporting his death, and NOT splashing their front pages of said impending doom
 
2012-12-04 04:07:55 PM

Surool: You weren't there and your assessment of the odds and outcomes are laughable. At least you are admitting he didn't even try now. Keep making up new stuff and maybe you can justify his actions in your mind.


You're upset at a photographer because he didn't stop a civil war that killed two million people?
 
2012-12-04 04:07:57 PM

boozehat: wasn't this how Seinfeld ended pretty much?


The Charlie Sheen Era of 2.5 Men
 
2012-12-04 04:08:21 PM

The Larch: inner ted: The Larch: Look at how stupid you are.

aww, make you sad?

Well, yes. When you put it that way, I am sad that you're so stupid.


your smack is as weak as your takes

try harder or go home
 
2012-12-04 04:09:00 PM

The Larch: Surool: You weren't there and your assessment of the odds and outcomes are laughable. At least you are admitting he didn't even try now. Keep making up new stuff and maybe you can justify his actions in your mind.

You're upset at a photographer because he didn't stop a civil war that killed two million people?


Put down the bong.
 
2012-12-04 04:09:38 PM

Surool: super_grass: You apparently can't grasp that sometimes there's nothing a photographer could do but take pictures when a train might kill him and the person on the track had he chose run towards it, and that he is probably neither the only person there, nor the closest person to the track

You paint a wonderful defense for a photographer who won't f*ck you.

You weren't there and your assessment of the odds and outcomes are laughable. At least you are admitting he didn't even try now. Keep making up new stuff and maybe you can justify his actions in your mind.


And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Hey, maybe there's a kill switch that he could have pulled to stop the train, and that makes him a monster, right?

You're the one judging, I'm the one saying that you don't know shiat about all the details. Get off your high horse.
 
2012-12-04 04:11:00 PM

TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.


My guess is the third rail is the one that is elevated higher than the others in both photos. In the first photo, i might be able to step over it without touching it, but there are more rails between the beams and if there is a third rail there too, I may accidentally touch it. Of course, the odds are higher than desired i accidentally touch the third rail here.

In the second picture, the odds are very high i touch the third rail trying to jump into the nook, if that is indeed the third rail blocking the entrance to the nook.
 
2012-12-04 04:12:14 PM

super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?


Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.
 
2012-12-04 04:13:42 PM

Surool: The Larch: Surool: You weren't there and your assessment of the odds and outcomes are laughable. At least you are admitting he didn't even try now. Keep making up new stuff and maybe you can justify his actions in your mind.

You're upset at a photographer because he didn't stop a civil war that killed two million people?

Put down the bong.


OK, help me out. Explain to me what you meant. The photographer was traveling with a UN food drop program. By most accounts, the children were milling about while their mothers collected food for their family when he took this photo. What, exactly, did you expect him to do? Feed that one kid? Stick around and help the kid's mother cook the food she received from the UN? Pick up a gun and go kill the people who were using food as a weapon during the civil war? Use his magic powers to go back in time and stop the war from starting in the first place? Seriously, what the hell do you think one person with a camera can do against the death of millions?
 
2012-12-04 04:13:52 PM

Lollipop165: I'd be too terrified to touch the 3rd rail to walk over to those "safety" areas. And not too many of the platforms even have those.And by the way, I've asked a few people to guess which rail the "third rail" was and most of the time they had it wrong (it's hard to pick out if you don't know what you are looking for)

I've always heard you lay flat on the lowest part of the rails and let the train pass over you.


The trench is a fairly safe bet, if you don't want to jump into a clear zone (either between the columns, or if its a solid-wall platform, there are often safety niches in the walls. In areas where there is no such clear zone, there will be markings saying as such (usually red and white stripes on the wall), so your only bet is to lay down in the trench.

If you do make it to a clear standing area, brace for the wind as the train passes by, and close you eyes so you dont get dizzy or disoriented.
 
2012-12-04 04:14:32 PM

Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.


If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.
 
2012-12-04 04:15:13 PM

The Larch: TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

Just admit it... you have absolutely no clue where the third rail is in those photographs, do you? You're not even entirely sure what the third rail is, or why you're not supposed to touch it. Maybe it's covered in poison ivy or something?

Anyhow, for the rest of you, never never never follow Tommy Palindrome's advice here. The third rail is that big steel bar that's jammed right up against those alcoves that he points out, and would be sending 600 volts and hundreds of amps of electricity through your legs the second you brushed up against it trying to wedge yourself into one of those holes.


Tommy is correct. The alcoves are there to stand in and allow the train to pass. MTA workers do it every day.

Also, you would have to be pretty uncoordinated to step in the third rail.

That said running away from the train is foolish because you would never make it far without tripping on the ties.

None of that matters in this station because the train does not run against a wall. There is lots of space between the local and express tracks. That's your best option.
 
2012-12-04 04:16:35 PM

Daniels: I'm not sure those nooks have enough clearance to actually squeeze in to without getting fried by the third rail.


they have the clearance. The red and white striping on the wall means you cant stand there. the nooks, without that striping, means it is clear. They are there specifically for such use. workers will also sometimes duck in to them if they are working on an active line doing minor work.
 
2012-12-04 04:18:57 PM

SlothB77: TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

My guess is the third rail is the one that is elevated higher than the others in both photos. In the first photo, i might be able to step over it without touching it, but there are more rails between the beams and if there is a third rail there too, I may accidentally touch it. Of course, the odds are higher than desired i accidentally touch the third rail here.

In the second picture, the odds are very high i touch the third rail trying to jump into the nook, if that is indeed the third rail blocking the entrance to the nook.


You are correct. But if you're not sure which one is hot, don't touch ANY of the rails.
Actually, there is something like 6 inches between the hot rail and the wall, and clearance in the alcoves is somewhere around 18 inches.

Besides, what's the alternative? Get hit?
 
2012-12-04 04:20:15 PM

super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.


There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?
 
2012-12-04 04:20:48 PM
I remember back in the day when Buddhist Monks were setting themselves on fire for some protest.
The photographers would watch them douse themselves with gasoline and then light the match which took several minutes
Not once did they try and stop them, their thought was they were only there to document the event.

blog.alexgalmeanu.com
 
2012-12-04 04:22:32 PM

Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?


I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?
 
2012-12-04 04:22:39 PM

Scoop84: LineNoise: Last I saw the numbers, the average number of people KILLED by the subway is a little more than one a week

[citation needed]


im no wiki article, but it is very, very common. When someone is pushed, it makes the news. when someone decides his only option in life is to kiss a train, it is often not covered.

I have a friend is a medic. he has seen plenty of people smashed or cut in half. The worst is when someone gets pinned between the train and the platform, because while they have just been cut in half, they might still be alive. the fact that they are pinned in acts as a tourniquet. However, there is still nothing that they can do. Once they pull the train away, the pressure comes off, and their guts basically spill out. Then death is quick. All they can do before that is give them some pain medicine and ask them, if they are conscious, if they want them to tell anyone anything. The really messy ones are when it happens on an elevated train. the tracks are open to the street below. messy rain.
 
2012-12-04 04:25:04 PM

super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?

I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?


You aren't posting anything substantive to respond to. "You did nothing about an incident you didn't witness" doesn't seem like an intelligent argument to me.
 
2012-12-04 04:25:47 PM
The other rule of urban living is not to talk to the crazy guy. Usually its the one cursing fairly loudly and nonstop. That should probably be pretty obvious. The years of living near downtown SF made that pretty clear to me.

There is zero to be gained by talking to them. I have no idea why this poor guy thought it would be a good idea to approach this person.
 
2012-12-04 04:26:18 PM

Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?

I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?

You aren't posting anything substantive to respond to. "You did nothing about an incident you didn't witness" doesn't seem like an intelligent argument to me.


You said you had a first-hand experience of what happened, did you not?
 
2012-12-04 04:27:36 PM

super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?

I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?

You aren't posting anything substantive to respond to. "You did nothing about an incident you didn't witness" doesn't seem like an intelligent argument to me.

You said you had a first-hand experience of what happened, did you not?


Where did I say that?
 
2012-12-04 04:29:19 PM

TommyymmoT: ...
I think if you were really ambitious, went back to school, and studied really hard, you could some day be an imbecile.

I've seen track workers do it more than once.

I've had friends and relatives that worked for the MTA, as well as Amtrak, and Conrail.
What I said to do, is something MTA employees do several of times per day.
That big steel bar, has a wooden guardrail over it, and the train's "hot shoe" glides above it.
The electricity doesn't just jump out and grab you whenever it's in a mischievous mood.

Studying your photos, and my recollection of the MTA in general, I'm going to have to agree that getting over that 3rd rail unharmed is unlikely. My uncle is an MTA worker and when they do it the rails are not energized. Also, he told me that they never trust that wooden/plastic/metal guard over the third rail to A) not be energized (short) or B) hold their weight.

But I gave you the benefit of the doubt, until you lost me at:

/side note
Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".


Amtrak trains do not have diesel locomotives in the NE corridor, nor to they have shoes/paddles. They are powered by overhead catenary to which the train connects with the pantograph.

Admittedly I don't have any better advice that lay down between the rails, lay under the platform, or run your ass off.
 
2012-12-04 04:29:39 PM

TommyymmoT: nook


Many modern stations now put the escape place right under the platform edge with signs that actually guide people into them. I guess this would take some construction effort, but geez, no more of this nonsense.
 
2012-12-04 04:31:51 PM

Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?

I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?

You aren't posting anything substantive to respond to. "You did nothing about an incident you didn't witness" doesn't seem like an intelligent argument to me.

You said you had a first-hand experience of what happened, did you not?

Where did I say that?


"And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?"

"Yes, as even you've agreed to"
 
2012-12-04 04:32:42 PM

teeny: Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.

Now I feel even more like a shiat for laughing. It's just disturbing that the media would so hungrily jump on such a photo. I imagined the picture of the vulture and the starving boy with the headline, "THIS CHILD IS ABOUT TO DIE!" and the inappropriateness of it got me giggling.

/I'm a douche


Yes. Yes you are.
 
2012-12-04 04:35:05 PM
Instead of blaming the photographer, how about blaming the asshat who pushed the guy?

I grew up there when it was the worst hellhole in the US. If I saw someone do that, I'd run too, because I'd be the next one thrown in. That's what happens when you are up against the crazy.
 
2012-12-04 04:35:33 PM

SlothB77: there was probably some fear from the bystanders that if they tried to help the asian guy the crazy person threw onto the tracks, the crazy person would push them over the side as well. From what I read, he didn't run away until after the asian guy was run over by the train. If the crazy guy is still there and considering he had just thrown one person in front of the oncoming train ... do you take the chance?


I'm kind of shocked there weren't people to hold down the crazy guy, to be honest.

But honestly, I'm a "Do"er personality. I see people in danger like that and I expect action, not just from myself but from other people.

Unfortunately, I've come to the realization that I'm one of very few. Regarding my story above, even my husband didn't really want to call 911 for the "dead" guy. I made him. (I didn't have my phone on me).
 
2012-12-04 04:37:15 PM

super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?

I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?

You aren't posting anything substantive to respond to. "You did nothing about an incident you didn't witness" doesn't seem like an intelligent argument to me.

You said you had a first-hand experience of what happened, did you not?

Where did I say that?

"And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?"

"Yes, as even you've agreed to"


Oh, that I have first-hand knowledge that he did nothing? You read the article, right? You've been arguing this whole time he was justified in not doing anything, so I thought you understood that too. I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand what you are talking about.
 
2012-12-04 04:38:45 PM
Sure subby. Feel free to randomly dictate which people should be heroes and which are allowed to be afraid, immobile, or succumb to other natural reactions.
 
2012-12-04 04:39:57 PM

edmo: Sure subby. Feel free to randomly dictate which people should be heroes and which are allowed to be afraid, immobile, or succumb to other natural reactions.


Like taking pictures of said tragedy?
 
2012-12-04 04:40:42 PM

Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?

I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?

You aren't posting anything substantive to respond to. "You did nothing about an incident you didn't witness" doesn't seem like an intelligent argument to me.

You said you had a first-hand experience of what happened, did you not?

Where did I say that?

"And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?"

"Yes, as even you've agreed to"

Oh, that I have first-hand knowledge that he did nothing? You read the article, right? You've been arguing this whole time he was justified in not doing anything, so I thought you understood that too. I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand what you are talking about.


I was talking about the actual circumstances and how it would have discouraged him from doing things, and the existence of other people who could have helped just as much as him.

Did you not read what I posted?
 
2012-12-04 04:40:58 PM
Journalists Dilemma (old school version):

A man is pushed onto the tracks . . . train is coming . . . you have only seconds to decide . . . do you shoot it in black & white, or color . . . ?

/ Very old photojournalist joke, modified to fit your screen.
 
2012-12-04 04:45:07 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Instead of blaming the photographer, how about blaming the asshat who pushed the guy?


Sounds like they have someone in custody?
 
2012-12-04 04:46:25 PM

The Larch: safari joe does it again: Though that drop is pretty steep and I doubt most people would be able to hoist themselves up, two people laying down on the platform can reach down and help pull the guy up given that the train is slowing down and the victim is close enough to the front of the platform.

I don't think you realize just how fast those trains come into the station. I have no idea which end of the platform the guy is on, and I don't know how long before the train came he was kicked off the platform. But let's set the stage:

1) There's a big deranged crazy man on the platform kicking people in front of the train.
2) There's a smaller guy confused and panicking and clawing at the edge of the platform, near the crazy guy
3) Most of the people around you are trying to get away from the crazy train-kicking guy
4) There's a train coming, and it's coming fast.

You're telling me that you'd find the nearest strong-looking guy and ask him to go over and pull the little guy off the track? What are you going to do about the train-kicking guy? What if he decides to kick you in too, while you're bent over the tracks with your ass sticking up in the air trying to help the guy on the track? What are you going to do if there's no calm looking strong guy to help? What are you going to do if the little guy has some sort of panic strength, and he starts to pull you in? It's easy to second-guess this, but all you have is a photo and little or no context.


I had to step away and just your response now. I was referring to an experience I had about a year ago, in which me and another stranger had helped a guy get back onto the platform after he had fallen. Definitely not apples-to-apples comparison to TFA.

My guy was drunk and lost his balance when looking to see if a train was coming. No one pushed him, so there was no clear danger of someone knocking me over too. Where he fell was towards the front/middle part of the station platform. The train (C @ Hoyt/Schermerhorn) was already slowing down as it as entering the station. I didn't have time to think. I just saw a guy who was too drunk/too scared/both to do much until me and another person dove down on our bellies and helped him up. I didn't ask anyone for help--just hoped that I'd be strong enough to pull him up. Fortunately I wasn't the only person to think this because I've never won at arm wrestling in my life. The conductor saw us doing this and stopped the train in time for us to get him up, so it's quite likely a train that wasn't decelerating would have clipped us too.
 
2012-12-04 04:49:19 PM
Don't touch the third rail don't touch the third rail wah wah wah! I don't know which is which wahhh! How about don't touch any of the rails? It's pretty simple. Dont jump down. Don't get pushed down. But if you still somehow end up in a 20 foot wide area that has 3 6-inch rails in it, don't touch any of them. And watch out for the rodents, too. Oh, and the train. Run away from the train. Shoot maybe run straight into it head first. God I'm bored with myself.
 
2012-12-04 04:50:45 PM

super_grass: I was talking about the actual circumstances and how it would have discouraged him from doing things, and the existence of other people who could have helped just as much as him.

Did you not read what I posted?


Your posts are largely irrelevant. Read the article. The Photographer said he was using his flash to try to signal the driver. This implies the perfectly framed photos "just happened" while the photog was trying to get the driver's attention. He says nothing about any of the stories you are trying to make up for him.
 
2012-12-04 04:53:05 PM

freewill: Arn_Dee: Isn't that like, negligent manslaughter or somesuch? I feel guilty on humanity's behalf just having seen the picture.

I don't think the generally law gives citizens a duty to reach in front of oncoming trains to grab people.



Farking bullshiat, the idea of legally compelling people to risk their lives to save someone, even if the rescue seems like suicide at the time. God damn, some people here reeeeeeally love government intervention into people's lives, as long as it's "someone else."
 
2012-12-04 04:53:21 PM
Was the Post acquired by Stileproject?
 
2012-12-04 04:55:24 PM

Surool: super_grass: I was talking about the actual circumstances and how it would have discouraged him from doing things, and the existence of other people who could have helped just as much as him.

Did you not read what I posted?

Your posts are largely irrelevant. Read the article. The Photographer said he was using his flash to try to signal the driver. This implies the perfectly framed photos "just happened" while the photog was trying to get the driver's attention. He says nothing about any of the stories you are trying to make up for him.


I have doubts about the reasoning ability of someone who reads "first hand" and equates with reading about it on the internet.

A flash photo of a train "just happened" to contain the person it's hurling towards is not exactly damming evidence of... anything.
 
2012-12-04 04:57:29 PM

Gulper Eel: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I am shocked that the New York Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has demonstrated a lack of ethics or even simple human decency, but instead chose to exploit a person's death.

Shocked.

mentula: yessir and can you guess the post's politics?
hint: it's owned by murdoch.

You would be interested to know, then, that just this year, less than four months ago, on page one of the urbane, thoughtful and sophisticated New York Times was this bloody photo of the aftermath of a mass shooting (WARNING: GRAPHIC).

Gawker itself ran this even more explicit photo of the same incident (WARNING: ALSO GRAPHIC). 

They ALL want dirty laundry. The Post (and the Daily News) are the only ones who are frank about it.


Was the photographer in a position to prevent the mass shooting?
 
2012-12-04 04:57:54 PM

oakleym82: TommyymmoT: ...
I think if you were really ambitious, went back to school, and studied really hard, you could some day be an imbecile.

I've seen track workers do it more than once.

I've had friends and relatives that worked for the MTA, as well as Amtrak, and Conrail.
What I said to do, is something MTA employees do several of times per day.
That big steel bar, has a wooden guardrail over it, and the train's "hot shoe" glides above it.
The electricity doesn't just jump out and grab you whenever it's in a mischievous mood.

Studying your photos, and my recollection of the MTA in general, I'm going to have to agree that getting over that 3rd rail unharmed is unlikely. My uncle is an MTA worker and when they do it the rails are not energized. Also, he told me that they never trust that wooden/plastic/metal guard over the third rail to A) not be energized (short) or B) hold their weight.

But I gave you the benefit of the doubt, until you lost me at:

/side note
Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".

Amtrak trains do not have diesel locomotives in the NE corridor, nor to they have shoes/paddles. They are powered by overhead catenary to which the train connects with the pantograph.

Admittedly I don't have any better advice that lay down between the rails, lay under the platform, or run your ass off.

=========

HUH?
saveamtrak.com
Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

By "NE corridor", I assume you aren't including NYC, because there are no overhead power lines, and all trains operating in and out of NYC, are required to have hot shoes, (paddles) or all the people in the stations, and tunnels would die of CO poisoning.
 
2012-12-04 04:58:43 PM

Rindred: Was the Post acquired by Stileproject?


Ebaum.
 
2012-12-04 04:59:17 PM
troth 

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 04:59:50 PM
I came back to say... I was wrong (about the starving child vulture pic). I must have read that story and mixed up the details. RIP Kevin Carter, and the poor subway man.
 
2012-12-04 05:04:43 PM

TommyymmoT: Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.


that picture isn't that station, the albany one is all nice and new.
 
2012-12-04 05:04:53 PM
as i ride the subway every morning this is always a concern to me. i always check behind me and step back as the train is approaching. happens alot tho. to bad he didnt just duck under the platform.
shiatty picture for his family to see.
 
2012-12-04 05:07:54 PM

dotvincent: I am a New Yorker. Of course I'd heard about the incident, but I was utterly disgusted when an hour ago I went into the kiosk nearby and the Post was staring me in the face.


i'm a new yorker and i'm utterly disgusted every time i see the post staring me in the face.
 
2012-12-04 05:08:52 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Don't touch the third rail don't touch the third rail wah wah wah! I don't know which is which wahhh!


Social Security is the third rail. If you see a train headed toward you and there is no possible way it can stop in time, do your best not to cut Social Security.
 
2012-12-04 05:09:42 PM

super_grass: I have doubts about the reasoning ability of someone who reads "first hand" and equates with reading about it on the internet.

A flash photo of a train "just happened" to contain the person it's hurling towards is not exactly damming evidence of... anything.


The fact that this picture was posted on the front page of a Murdoch-owned paper is damning evidence that we hate conservatives, since we nominate photo ops in liberal papers like the New York Times and Newsweek for Pulitzers for doing the exact same thing.

/because liberals have good intentions and are never wrong
//and conservatives are evil bad guys who are motivated only by greed and profit, and if you don't hate them with all your heart and soul then you are a monster just like them
 
2012-12-04 05:10:28 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Don't touch the third rail don't touch the third rail wah wah wah! I don't know which is which wahhh! How about don't touch any of the rails? It's pretty simple. Dont jump down. Don't get pushed down. But if you still somehow end up in a 20 foot wide area that has 3 6-inch rails in it, don't touch any of them. And watch out for the rodents, too. Oh, and the train. Run away from the train. Shoot maybe run straight into it head first. God I'm bored with myself.


For some reason, this post amused me most of all.

That and the fact that it came from Nana's Vibrator.
 
2012-12-04 05:11:20 PM

Headso: TommyymmoT: Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

that picture isn't that station, the albany one is all nice and new.


Actually, it is. The shiny new station is behind the photographer. 

This is Selkirk, about 10 miles to the south, and still, no overhead wires. 
saveamtrak.com
 
2012-12-04 05:11:49 PM

Tatterdemalian:

The fact that this picture was posted on the front page of a Murdoch-owned paper is damning evidence that we hate conservatives, since we nominate photo ops in liberal papers like the New York Times and Newsweek for Pulitzers for doing the exact same thing.


perhaps you're right. can you give an example though so we can see?
 
2012-12-04 05:15:01 PM

super_grass: Surool: super_grass: I was talking about the actual circumstances and how it would have discouraged him from doing things, and the existence of other people who could have helped just as much as him.

Did you not read what I posted?

Your posts are largely irrelevant. Read the article. The Photographer said he was using his flash to try to signal the driver. This implies the perfectly framed photos "just happened" while the photog was trying to get the driver's attention. He says nothing about any of the stories you are trying to make up for him.

I have doubts about the reasoning ability of someone who reads "first hand" and equates with reading about it on the internet.

A flash photo of a train "just happened" to contain the person it's hurling towards is not exactly damming evidence of... anything.


Your comprehension skills are very poor. The fact the Photographer says he DID do something is what I am reacting to.

Your lack of first-hand knowledge didn't stop you from making up stories about the photographer's thoughts or conditions he faced.You made up tons of story without being present on the subway platform, but criticize me for basing my comments off of the Photographer's own statements? You are either a troll, or too stupid to debate.

The perfectly framed photo is evidence that the photographer was looking through the viewfinder and actively got both man and train in the shot. It doesn't do much for the claim he was only using the flash to get the driver's attention.
 
2012-12-04 05:15:58 PM

SirEattonHogg: The other rule of urban living is not to talk to the crazy guy. Usually its the one cursing fairly loudly and nonstop. That should probably be pretty obvious. The years of living near downtown SF made that pretty clear to me.

There is zero to be gained by talking to them. I have no idea why this poor guy thought it would be a good idea to approach this person.


There is video of part of the confrontation. From the video the pusher is arguing with the guy telling him to get away from him, and the guy is just standing there in the pusher's face. From other stuff I read about this witnesses said that the Asian guy appeared to be drunk and had confronted the other guy about begging. Doesn't excuse the guy from pushing him onto the tracks, but from the video something more was going on between the two than the guy just walking up to him and pushing him onto the tracks.
 
2012-12-04 05:16:22 PM

mentula: Tatterdemalian:

The fact that this picture was posted on the front page of a Murdoch-owned paper is damning evidence that we hate conservatives, since we nominate photo ops in liberal papers like the New York Times and Newsweek for Pulitzers for doing the exact same thing.

perhaps you're right. can you give an example though so we can see?


http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/pulitzer-prize-winning - photos-1981-2011-31ii

I think a good 40% of all pulitzer prize pictures are of human suffering.

Which is kind of the point of photojournalism: impact and awareness.
 
2012-12-04 05:17:53 PM

TommyymmoT: Headso: TommyymmoT: Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

that picture isn't that station, the albany one is all nice and new.

Actually, it is. The shiny new station is behind the photographer.


oh wait, that picture is from before that station opened... it says 2001
 
2012-12-04 05:18:42 PM
Tommyymmot: Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

By "NE corridor", I assume you aren't including NYC, because there are no overhead power lines, and all trains operating in and out of NYC, are required to have hot shoes, (paddles) or all the people in the stations, and tunnels would die of CO poisoning.


Albany is not part of the NE Corridor, it's the Empire Corridor. The trains switch to diesel after Croton-Harmon or Poughkeepsie, I think.
 
2012-12-04 05:21:22 PM

super_grass:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/pulitzer-prize-winning - photos-1981-2011-31ii

sorry i put that link in but got a 'page not found'.
 
2012-12-04 05:21:52 PM
Well that's it then... all trains should be banned.

thegrio.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-04 05:26:08 PM

mentula: super_grass:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/pulitzer-prize-winning - photos-1981-2011-31ii

sorry i put that link in but got a 'page not found'.


Link

Fark adds spaces between the dashes in the URL for some reason.
 
2012-12-04 05:26:42 PM

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


So you are PROUD that you are a ginormous pussy?!?!?

/Interesting.
//Tell me about your father....
 
2012-12-04 05:26:54 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Instead of blaming the photographer, how about blaming the asshat who pushed the guy?

I grew up there when it was the worst hellhole in the US. If I saw someone do that, I'd run too, because I'd be the next one thrown in. That's what happens when you are up against the crazy.


how about we blame people for what they're responsible for? Blame the guy who pushed him for pushing him, blame the asshat for taking pictures instead of helping. How about we do that, since it makes more sense than you trying to pretend he didn't do anything wrong.

In addition, the photographer didn't "run" he stuck around and took pictures. Also, no, you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where you had an established, conscious contingency plan for what to do if someone near you started shoving people in front of trains. That's a ridiculous claim to make.
 
2012-12-04 05:27:25 PM

cig-mkr: I remember back in the day when Buddhist Monks were setting themselves on fire for some protest.
The photographers would watch them douse themselves with gasoline and then light the match which took several minutes
Not once did they try and stop them, their thought was they were only there to document the event.

[blog.alexgalmeanu.com image 460x371]


The monks did not want to be saved. The guy in front of the train did.
 
2012-12-04 05:37:55 PM

super_grass: mentula: super_grass:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/pulitzer-prize-winning - photos-1981-2011-31ii

sorry i put that link in but got a 'page not found'.

Link

Fark adds spaces between the dashes in the URL for some reason.


thanks.
i'd say the 1991 one is pretty horrifying and my reaction was "throw your jacket on that guy" but if it's the middle of a firefight (and people are running) then perhaps the photographer can't be blamed. (worst of all for me are pictures of self-immolators like you used to see during the vietnam war. i would say such pictures are exploitative but being seen is what those people wanted.)

but tatterdemalian still hasn't given examples of pictures that have appeared on the front page of the "liberal" new york times or newsweek that are comparable to what's on the post today. pulitzer prize winning pictures are a different category.
 
2012-12-04 05:38:06 PM

TommyymmoT: And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.


The 3rd rail is an insulated DC connection, so can touch it sometimes, as long as you don't have a ground connection. On some elevated sections, you could lick the 3rd rail without consequence, as long as you're not touching one of the other two rails (which act as the grounding). In Chicago on the elevated it's not unusual to see workers stepping on and even sitting on the 3rd rail (and yes, it's energized). The elevated structure itself doesn't provide enough of a ground for it to be harmful.

/Of course, I don't personally recommend this.
 
2012-12-04 05:39:24 PM

SirEattonHogg: The other rule of urban living is not to talk to the crazy guy. Usually its the one cursing fairly loudly and nonstop. That should probably be pretty obvious. The years of living near downtown SF made that pretty clear to me.

There is zero to be gained by talking to them. I have no idea why this poor guy thought it would be a good idea to approach this person.


In New York I seem to attract the crazies. More than once I've had people approach me and accuse me of being "one of them." I get mumbled at or yelled at maybe once every couple of months. Once, many years ago, I was eating at an outdoor cafe, and someone (whom I had not noticed at all) walked up to me off the street and asked why I had been staring at him. (A waiter intervened and made him leave without further incident.)

And then a few weeks ago, on the subway platform, a guy was staring right at me for, oh, I'd say about one minute, so I finally asked him "what are you staring at?". I had adjusted my position a bit to move out of his sight lines at one point, and his eyes just followed me. He responded: "what are YOU staring at?" Me: "I'm looking down the tunnel for the next train, you idiot." Him: "You is (sic.) the idiot." Then he finally looked away from me and I walked away. I knew it was stupid of me, but I just felt sick and tired of catching crap from crazy strangers. After this I'm going to be doubly sure not to do that again. Just walk to a different area.
 
2012-12-04 05:55:44 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: Well that's it then... all trains should be banned.

[thegrio.files.wordpress.com image 650x365]


ExACTLY. IF there were no trains this man would still be alive.
 
2012-12-04 06:01:40 PM

ongbok


2012-12-04 05:15:58 PM

There is video of part of the confrontation. From the video the pusher is arguing with the guy telling him to get away from him, and the guy is just standing there in the pusher's face. From other stuff I read about this witnesses said that the Asian guy appeared to be drunk and had confronted the other guy about begging. Doesn't excuse the guy from pushing him onto the tracks, but from the video something more was going on between the two than the guy just walking up to him and pushing him onto the tracks.


Yeah, bad way to go for that guy, but real BAD judgment to be arguing with a bigger guy who is telling you to "back off" with your back to the edge of the platform.

Oh and I love the usual insightful Youtube user comments on race.
 
2012-12-04 06:04:07 PM

Super Chronic: SirEattonHogg: The other rule of urban living is not to talk to the crazy guy. Usually its the one cursing fairly loudly and nonstop. That should probably be pretty obvious. The years of living near downtown SF made that pretty clear to me.

There is zero to be gained by talking to them. I have no idea why this poor guy thought it would be a good idea to approach this person.

In New York I seem to attract the crazies. More than once I've had people approach me and accuse me of being "one of them." I get mumbled at or yelled at maybe once every couple of months. Once, many years ago, I was eating at an outdoor cafe, and someone (whom I had not noticed at all) walked up to me off the street and asked why I had been staring at him. (A waiter intervened and made him leave without further incident.)

And then a few weeks ago, on the subway platform, a guy was staring right at me for, oh, I'd say about one minute, so I finally asked him "what are you staring at?". I had adjusted my position a bit to move out of his sight lines at one point, and his eyes just followed me. He responded: "what are YOU staring at?" Me: "I'm looking down the tunnel for the next train, you idiot." Him: "You is (sic.) the idiot." Then he finally looked away from me and I walked away. I knew it was stupid of me, but I just felt sick and tired of catching crap from crazy strangers. After this I'm going to be doubly sure not to do that again. Just walk to a different area.


My sister got spat on her face while walking on the sidewalk when she was there.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:04 PM

joemax: TommyymmoT: And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

The 3rd rail is an insulated DC connection, so can touch it sometimes, as long as you don't have a ground connection. On some elevated sections, you could lick the 3rd rail without consequence, as long as you're not touching one of the other two rails (which act as the grounding). In Chicago on the elevated it's not unusual to see workers stepping on and even sitting on the 3rd rail (and yes, it's energized). The elevated structure itself doesn't provide enough of a ground for it to be harmful.

/Of course, I don't personally recommend this.


There is so much juice running through it though, that you don't need to be grounded all the way.
A pair of sneakers for example, would not help you.

Case in point:
CAUTION! GRAPHIC GORE OF SOMEBODY DYING VIA THE 3RD RAIL.

I'm not kidding. It's a real video that is not for the easily upset.
You've been warned.
 
2012-12-04 06:10:41 PM

oakleym82: TommyymmoT: ...
I think if you were really ambitious, went back to school, and studied really hard, you could some day be an imbecile.

I've seen track workers do it more than once.

I've had friends and relatives that worked for the MTA, as well as Amtrak, and Conrail.
What I said to do, is something MTA employees do several of times per day.
That big steel bar, has a wooden guardrail over it, and the train's "hot shoe" glides above it.
The electricity doesn't just jump out and grab you whenever it's in a mischievous mood.

Studying your photos, and my recollection of the MTA in general, I'm going to have to agree that getting over that 3rd rail unharmed is unlikely. My uncle is an MTA worker and when they do it the rails are not energized. Also, he told me that they never trust that wooden/plastic/metal guard over the third rail to A) not be energized (short) or B) hold their weight.

But I gave you the benefit of the doubt, until you lost me at:

/side note
Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".

Amtrak trains do not have diesel locomotives in the NE corridor, nor to they have shoes/paddles. They are powered by overhead catenary to which the train connects with the pantograph.



You are thinking of Metro North.
 
2012-12-04 06:13:59 PM
Shouldn't the emphasis be put on trying to catch the person who pushed the guy onto the tracks. Once pushed into an oncoming train, no one could save the guy except for himself. By jumping onto the tracks you will only end of dead too and your estate may just get a bill for the price of having your guts cleaned up.
 
2012-12-04 06:17:26 PM

TommyymmoT: joemax: TommyymmoT: And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

The 3rd rail is an insulated DC connection, so can touch it sometimes, as long as you don't have a ground connection. On some elevated sections, you could lick the 3rd rail without consequence, as long as you're not touching one of the other two rails (which act as the grounding). In Chicago on the elevated it's not unusual to see workers stepping on and even sitting on the 3rd rail (and yes, it's energized). The elevated structure itself doesn't provide enough of a ground for it to be harmful.

/Of course, I don't personally recommend this.

There is so much juice running through it though, that you don't need to be grounded all the way.
A pair of sneakers for example, would not help you.

Case in point:
CAUTION! GRAPHIC GORE OF SOMEBODY DYING VIA THE 3RD RAIL.

I'm not kidding. It's a real video that is not for the easily upset.
You've been warned.


Yea, Pretty much stay off the tracks. They are for trains. Bet it started smelling better down there once the bar-b-q started.
 
2012-12-04 06:17:39 PM
I've just always wanted to go back in time, find the engineer who decided to use the third rail, smack him upside the head and say "use catenary lines you dumbfark". I'd need to learn German first though, since Semiens started it IIRC. Things would be much easier if the ceilings of the subway tunnel were tray ceilings (relative to the platform) and unless your dumbass decided play high jump, you couldn't fry yourself. While I'm at it, very basic digital cameras on the tracks that are tripped by either blockage or the motion of something failing onto the tracks. When the camera signals either of those conditions, the trains are shut down until it is cleared. Come on NYC the Koreans have basic ped detection on their cheap cars, you can get it on your subway system.
 
2012-12-04 07:00:03 PM
Ya, subby, because we all know you would have jumped out in front of the train to help the dude.
 
2012-12-04 07:12:02 PM
Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.
 
2012-12-04 07:12:08 PM
In other news, train conductor - blinded by flash of camera - unable to press emergency stop.

/DNRTFThread, so apologies to anyone who posted this already
 
2012-12-04 07:15:59 PM
So, where is the third rail?

In the middle of the traditional train tracks?

I don't know. In CA we have less electrifying modes of transportation and people who don't run from danger like pansies.
 
2012-12-04 07:19:15 PM

HighlanderRPI: In other news, train conductor - blinded by flash of camera - unable to press emergency stop.

/DNRTFThread, so apologies to anyone who posted this already


Emergency stop is the default mode, so all you have to do is let the accelerator go.
 
2012-12-04 07:20:29 PM

JackieRabbit: gweilo8888: The New York Post and this photographer are absolutely contemptible trash, and their excuses about warning the photographer with a flash and being unable to help pull the guy up reek of bullshiat.

Did you ever stop to think that the photographer may have been shooting with a long lens and was too far away to do anything? And what about others on the platform? Someone supposedly pushed the man onto the tracks. There must have been people around. Why didn't someone do something? This story is from the NY Post and further sensationalized by Gawker. You're supposed to roll your eyes and move on. Because in all probability, the event never occurred. Rather, someone snapped a shot of a subway worker doing something on the tracks in front of a stopped train is more likely.


Yeah, no.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57557157-504083/nyc-subway-dea t h-update-suspect-naeem-davis-questioned-by-police-in-alleged-fatal-pus h/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/04/us-usa-newyork-subway-idUSB R E8B31BY20121204

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/12/04/police-question-man-in-sub w ay-push/

https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl=dhbLDTEqo08PfFMXL1KfLyOTzDl_M&to p ic=h

And sorry, but it wasn't a long lens. It's clearly a flash exposure, which means he was within 50 feet or so max.

As trolls go, I'll give you a 2/10.
 
2012-12-04 07:22:21 PM

ha-ha-guy: I've just always wanted to go back in time, find the engineer who decided to use the third rail, smack him upside the head and say "use catenary lines you dumbfark". I'd need to learn German first though, since Semiens started it IIRC. Things would be much easier if the ceilings of the subway tunnel were tray ceilings (relative to the platform) and unless your dumbass decided play high jump, you couldn't fry yourself. While I'm at it, very basic digital cameras on the tracks that are tripped by either blockage or the motion of something failing onto the tracks. When the camera signals either of those conditions, the trains are shut down until it is cleared. Come on NYC the Koreans have basic ped detection on their cheap cars, you can get it on your subway system.


Cat is expensive to install and maintain (requires tension), especially above-ground. Plus it's much much more deadly than 3rd rail if you do happen to touch it (they fall down sometimes).

Ped detection is an interesting idea that has never really been taken seriously. I think in the Paris Métro, there are levers on some platforms that you can pull if someone has fallen in the tracks and it will set the signals on approach to red.
 
2012-12-04 07:30:37 PM

walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.


Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.
 
2012-12-04 07:35:58 PM

TommyymmoT: walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.

Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.



Citation?
 
2012-12-04 07:36:27 PM

joemax: ha-ha-guy: I've just always wanted to go back in time, find the engineer who decided to use the third rail, smack him upside the head and say "use catenary lines you dumbfark". I'd need to learn German first though, since Semiens started it IIRC. Things would be much easier if the ceilings of the subway tunnel were tray ceilings (relative to the platform) and unless your dumbass decided play high jump, you couldn't fry yourself. While I'm at it, very basic digital cameras on the tracks that are tripped by either blockage or the motion of something failing onto the tracks. When the camera signals either of those conditions, the trains are shut down until it is cleared. Come on NYC the Koreans have basic ped detection on their cheap cars, you can get it on your subway system.

Cat is expensive to install and maintain (requires tension), especially above-ground. Plus it's much much more deadly than 3rd rail if you do happen to touch it (they fall down sometimes).

Ped detection is an interesting idea that has never really been taken seriously. I think in the Paris Métro, there are levers on some platforms that you can pull if someone has fallen in the tracks and it will set the signals on approach to red.


Within the NYC system though most of the cat would be anchored to the ceiling of a tunnel. You could have lanyard style safeties (think seadoo lanyard) that de-energizer the cable when it falls. Lanyard is pulled out, kills a section of the cable. Of course you could also just design a better third rail setup where the rail itself is sunk down lower than the rest of the track and the shoe extends down to it, but the hole through which the shoe extends is too small for human most human feet. Sadly that adds cost for working on the trail though.

The real solution is the twin door system, where you have a station door and a car door. The subway stops, lines its doors up with the station doors, and then both open. Just like an elevator. That is an expensive retrofit though. I'd imagine you could do a fairly affordable system where cameras watched the tracks and used edge detection to pick out falling objects and determine what they are. if you wanted to spend more, some cameras with IR capabilities could help with picking up human bodies. System throws red signals and/or automates shutdown of trains.

The nice thing about the cameras is in the auto industry we found that you just start out figuring out how to get a few basic things from the image. Then you just keep developing the software to figure out more. So assuming you did it right, you'd just need to add a few cameras to each station and program them to say detect falling objects. Then via software updates you can teach them to do more, be smarter in what they detect, etc.
 
2012-12-04 07:41:31 PM
Mayor Bloomberg said Tuesday it appears the suspect has "psychiatric problems". Go figure.
 
2012-12-04 07:42:54 PM

BafflerMeal: Omahawg: i had a shirt-tail relation commit suicide by train once upon a time

they found his ear a block away

but only one of them

What is a shirt-tail relation?


anything more distant than 3rd cousin...which are legion 'round these here parts
 
2012-12-04 07:45:16 PM

Gdalescrboz: Ya, subby, because we all know you would have jumped out in front of the train to help the dude.


It would not have been difficult at all to pull the man up. Therefore I imagine the train was already approaching fast and the danger to assist was too great.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:59 PM

mentula: tatterdemalian still hasn't given examples of pictures that have appeared on the front page of the "liberal" new york times


Look downthread to one of my posts. It happened just this past August - the Times ran a graphic aerial photo of the bled-out body of Steve Ercolino on the sidewalk, complete with bright-red blood-drenched sidewalk, after that mass shooting in Manhattan. Just do a search for the words "WARNING: GRAPHIC".

For later print editions they switched to a photo of the dead shooter, iirc - but they sure as shiat kept the original bloody photo up on their website, where it was front-page for much of the day of the shooting.

It wasn't quite as big a stink because it was a Friday-into-Saturday story in August when lots of NYers are out of town.

In the end, I still fail to see what the big deal is in either case. We're talking about the newspaper town that front-paged a live execution in 1928.
 
2012-12-04 08:01:17 PM

BigNumber12: TommyymmoT: walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.

Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.


Citation?


Sure, why not..
www.commonsensedemocracy.com
 
2012-12-04 08:09:33 PM

TommyymmoT: walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.

Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.


Says the man who can't buy a soda more than 16oz to keep him from getting fat like the rest of NYers.

Also - citation needed.

Link

...looks like NY is in the top 10 by my GIS.
 
2012-12-04 08:11:10 PM
See also: www.hks.harvard.edu

From the same data set.
 
2012-12-04 08:22:17 PM
Murdock right wing rag. I wonder how Fox News is handling this?
 
2012-12-04 08:26:27 PM
Clues that Abbasi lied about New York Post subway photo?

Link
 
2012-12-04 08:31:54 PM
It makes me sad to imagine his last thoughts as he watched a crowd of people run away, with the obvious exception of the one douche snapping pictures.
 
2012-12-04 08:38:35 PM

Altitude5280: Clues that Abbasi lied about New York Post subway photo?

Link


"To reiterate: The New York Post happened to have one of their freelance photographers on the platform at the Grand Central Station subway stop when a Queens man was shoved onto the tracks."

That's not a Grand Central Station stop. No reason to read further.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:54 PM

cig-mkr: I remember back in the day when Buddhist Monks were setting themselves on fire for some protest.
The photographers would watch them douse themselves with gasoline and then light the match which took several minutes
Not once did they try and stop them, their thought was they were only there to document the event.

[blog.alexgalmeanu.com image 460x371]


Ridiculous comparison. This photographer was not documenting a protest, or war. Documenting this man being pushed onto a train track for posterity makes about as much sense as snapping photos of a woman being beaten and raped while crying out for someone to help or call 911.
 
2012-12-04 08:42:42 PM

TommyymmoT: Sure, why not..
[www.commonsensedemocracy.com image 720x529]


You *do* realize that his profile says he's in Colorado, and that your chart says that Colorado is the tenth *least* money-grubbing state, right? In other words, that his state is the very opposite of money-grubbing, contributing more to the Federal Government than it gets back? (Or at least, it was in 2005, which data is perhaps old enough to be irrelevant anyway.)
 
2012-12-04 08:44:30 PM

Cythraul: Ridiculous comparison. This photographer was not documenting a protest, or war. Documenting this man being pushed onto a train track for posterity makes about as much sense as snapping photos of a woman being beaten and raped while crying out for someone to help or call 911.


Thisfinity to the power of infinity. Taking a picture to sell to a bottom-shelf rag for entertainment purposes (let's face it, nothing the NY Post does is for anything as noble as news reportage) is the polar opposite of the example cig-mkr gave.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:45 PM
It's 2012...can't we put some rails or something.
 
2012-12-04 08:49:11 PM
I stand corrected.
Seriously, my glasses are broken.
I'll go sit in the corner now.
 
2012-12-04 08:51:50 PM
 
2012-12-04 08:53:48 PM

Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.


It's his job--what the hell was he supposed to do? He obviously couldn't have prevented it.
 
2012-12-04 08:54:19 PM

TommyymmoT: THEY BUSTED THE GUY THAT DID IT


Confesses? Hmmm. Given how a lot of confessions are gained, I hope they have more evidence than that.
 
2012-12-04 08:56:56 PM

gilgigamesh: offmymeds: Have a look at the comments.

Link

That commenters felt it was a great opportunity to mock Costas' gun control monologue is probably the saddest fact of all.


Why exactly? Seriously what makes that the saddest fact? Because I thought it would have been this senseless death.
 
2012-12-04 08:57:50 PM

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

It's his job--what the hell was he supposed to do? He obviously couldn't have prevented it.


Again, as I have said before in this thread. Documenting this for posterity, or news, makes about as much sense as photographing a woman being raped while she screams for someone to help or to call 911.

Doing nothing to help is one thing, taking a farking picture and then putting it in a paper to make money is something on a whole new level.
 
2012-12-04 09:00:22 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7467322/81089790#c81089790" target="_blank">gweilo8888</a>:</b> <i>TommyymmoT: Sure, why not..
[www.commonsensedemocracy.com image 720x529]

You *do* realize that his profile says he's in Colorado, and that your chart says that Colorado is the tenth *least* money-grubbing state, right? In other words, that his state is the very opposite of money-grubbing, contributing more to the Federal Government than it gets back? (Or at least, it was in 2005, which data is perhaps old enough to be irrelevant anyway.)</i>

<img src="http://http://www.ipfwcommunicator.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04 /oh-snap.jpg">

<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7467322/81089736#c81089736" target="_blank">T.M.S.</a>:</b> <i>That's not a Grand Central Station stop. No reason to read further.</i>

Also, someone needs to look up the word "freelance."
 
2012-12-04 09:03:27 PM
ha-ha-guyWithin the NYC system though most of the cat would be anchored to the ceiling of a tunnel. You could have lanyard style safeties (think seadoo lanyard) that de-energizer the cable when it falls. Lanyard is pulled out, kills a section of the cable. Of course you could also just design a better third rail setup where the rail itself is sunk down lower than the rest of the track and the shoe extends down to it, but the hole through which the shoe extends is too small for human most human feet. Sadly that adds cost for working on the trail though.

The real solution is the twin door system, where you have a station door and a car door. The subway stops, lines its doors up with the station doors, and then both open. Just like an elevator. That is an e ...


Actually I think about a third of NYC's system is elevated or on embankment. Bolting it to the ceiling is fine, it's still harder to maintain though.

Subway screen doors would be a reasonable (but costly) retrofit.
 
2012-12-04 09:13:13 PM

walkerhound: Also, someone needs to look up the word "freelance."


And somebody else needs to look up whether freelance photographers are remunerated, or simply hand out their work from the goodness of their tiny, perfect little hearts.
 
2012-12-04 09:15:07 PM

Altitude5280: Murdock right wing rag. I wonder how Fox News is handling this?


I'm gonna guess they are pretending the whole story doesn't exist.
 
2012-12-04 09:44:17 PM
Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.

I'm not upset with the photog, but I do think it's disgusting that the Post published it AND used it on the front cover to sell newspapers.
 
2012-12-04 09:46:13 PM

TommyymmoT: BigNumber12: TommyymmoT: walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.

Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.


Citation?

Sure, why not..
[www.commonsensedemocracy.com image 720x529]



Are you stupid, or just trolling badly?
 
2012-12-04 09:47:17 PM

hiker9999: Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.
This was also the plot of an episode of "Homicide: Life on the streets" back in the 90s


upload.wikimedia.org

Yep, I still remember that episode
 
2012-12-04 09:47:41 PM

TommyymmoT: I stand corrected.
Seriously, my glasses are broken.
I'll go sit in the corner now.



Ah, gotcha.
 
2012-12-04 09:57:13 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.



I'll ask the obvious but unpopular question - is the rate of death-by-falling-onto-the-track great enough to justify such enormous expense? 50 people a year, in a system with 1.64 billion rides annually?? People die at far greater rates elsewhere on our public infrastructure. Where do you stop protecting people from themselves? Additionally, going back and walling off the track is TSA-style thinking - enormous expenditure of tax revenue to address a danger so remote as to be statistically irrelevant, when the gov't is already strapped for funds and increasing taxes all over the place to cover that shortfall.
 
2012-12-04 10:05:08 PM
I knew it wouldn't interest anybody outside of a small circle of friends.
 
2012-12-04 10:08:09 PM

Gulper Eel:
Kitty Genovese has some company now.


The Kitty Genovese story, it does not mean what you think it means.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:31 PM

BigNumber12: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.


I'll ask the obvious but unpopular question - is the rate of death-by-falling-onto-the-track great enough to justify such enormous expense? 50 people a year, in a system with 1.64 billion rides annually?? People die at far greater rates elsewhere on our public infrastructure. Where do you stop protecting people from themselves? Additionally, going back and walling off the track is TSA-style thinking - enormous expenditure of tax revenue to address a danger so remote as to be statistically irrelevant, when the gov't is already strapped for funds and increasing taxes all over the place to cover that shortfall.


Plus how many are accidental or unintentional?

The majority are suicides.
 
2012-12-04 10:24:59 PM

TyrantII: BigNumber12: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.


I'll ask the obvious but unpopular question - is the rate of death-by-falling-onto-the-track great enough to justify such enormous expense? 50 people a year, in a system with 1.64 billion rides annually?? People die at far greater rates elsewhere on our public infrastructure. Where do you stop protecting people from themselves? Additionally, going back and walling off the track is TSA-style thinking - enormous expenditure of tax revenue to address a danger so remote as to be statistically irrelevant, when the gov't is already strapped for funds and increasing taxes all over the place to cover that shortfall.

Plus how many are accidental or unintentional?

The majority are suicides.



I want to throttle the (not few) people who believe that the SOLUTION! to suicide is lining the Golden Gate Bridge and entire length of Caltrain tracks (and wherever the suicides move next, and on and on) with suicide barriers. I know what sort of person thinks that way, but I won't rant about it in this thread.
 
2012-12-04 10:25:32 PM
I can't decide whether this photographer is worse than this one or not.

I think they're both sick farks, and the Post's front page is absolutely appalling. That's a firin'.
 
2012-12-04 11:10:12 PM

jshine: From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.


BART has those and it looks like enough room to avoid the train. I assumed they were put there just for that purpose.
 
2012-12-04 11:20:13 PM
If you ever visit NYC, ride the subway and fall/pushed onto the subway tracks, here are a few tips:

1) There are ladders at either end of the platform so you can climb back from the tracks. If you don't see a train coming, walk to the end of the platform and you can climb back up.

2) If you see a train coming, and can't make it to the end of the platform to reach the ladder, lie down on the track bed against the base of the platform. The train will pass over you, and you won't get a scratch.

3) DON'T run across the track. The third rail is on the far side of the track.

/ Misspent youth.
// Crawling around, and climbing on, dangerous urban infrastructure.
 
2012-12-04 11:23:18 PM

saturn badger: jshine: From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.

BART has those and it looks like enough room to avoid the train. I assumed they were put there just for that purpose.


Yep, it's posted here and there on the line that those are "Areas of Refuge."
 
2012-12-04 11:28:57 PM

amindtat: I thought pictures of imminent death, like the famous one where a car hits a pack of cyclists, was instant bannination?


It wasn't posted directly here and the mods greenlit it.
 
2012-12-04 11:51:17 PM

Gulper Eel: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

And? That photographer (Kevin Carter) had been taking pictures of all kinds of atrocities for ten years: war, necklacings in South Africa, one thing nastier than the next. He didn't just stumble onto a famine, take a picture then get all suicidy.

His backstory is a lot more complicated than that.

By 1991, working on the dawn patrol had paid off for one of the Bang-Bang Club. Marinovich won a Pulitzer for his September 1990 photographs of a Zulu being stabbed to death by A.N.C. supporters. That prize raised the stakes for the rest of the club - especially Carter.

Perhaps as importantly, while a few colleagues had framed the scene perfectly, Carter was reloading his camera with film just as the executions took place. "I knew I had missed this f--- shot," he said subsequently. "I drank a bottle of bourbon that night."

The suicide note he left behind is a litany of nightmares and dark visions, a clutching attempt at autobiography, self-analysis, explanation, excuse. After coming home from New York, he wrote, he was "depressed . . . without phone . . . money for rent . . . money for child support . . . money for debts . . . money!!! . . . I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings & corpses & anger & pain . . . of starving or wounded children, of trigger-happy madmen, often police, of killer executioners . . . " And then this: "I have gone to join Ken if I am that lucky."


He really needed a change of career.

Thanks. I did not know this.

/sad story
 
2012-12-05 12:00:36 AM

SpectroBoy: Zeb Hesselgresser: depends on how fast the train went by

Time enough to snap multiple pictures, sounds like.


Sports mode. Could make a time lapse of it.
 
2012-12-05 12:05:19 AM

Lollipop165: 'd be too terrified to touch the 3rd rail to walk over to those "safety" areas. And not too many of the platforms even have those.And by the way, I've asked a few people to guess which rail the "third rail" was and most of the time they had it wrong (it's hard to pick out if you don't know what you are looking for)


Really? They couldn't see it immediately? Tracks are generally if not always parallel at a fixed distance wide enough to hold a train and at the same level. That was the clue here.
 
2012-12-05 01:08:21 AM

BigNumber12: saturn badger: jshine: From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.

BART has those and it looks like enough room to avoid the train. I assumed they were put there just for that purpose.

Yep, it's posted here and there on the line that those are "Areas of Refuge."


Never noticed the signs but I haven't fallen off or been pushed of the platform yet. Still time, I guess.
 
2012-12-05 01:49:30 AM
skateparkoftampa.com

So is this no longer funny? Because I seem to remember quite a few giggles on Fark when this happened. And the guy taking the photos had to know that landing on hard stone from fifty feet in the air wearing only Spandex and a Toys-R-Us bike helmet was probably not going to end well.

/it didn't
 
2012-12-05 02:44:54 AM
Ugh. I don't blame people for not helping the guy since the attacker was right there and they too, could be pushed (or stabbed or whatever), but really? What kind of soulless, disgusting, waste of oxygen do you have to be to take/publish pictures for your own self-gain of a man's death? They honestly should make a charge for such things, some sort of manslaughter for profiteering.
 
2012-12-05 03:43:40 AM

Terrible Old Man: Ugh. I don't blame people for not helping the guy since the attacker was right there and they too, could be pushed (or stabbed or whatever), but really? What kind of soulless, disgusting, waste of oxygen do you have to be to take/publish pictures for your own self-gain of a man's death? They honestly should make a charge for such things, some sort of manslaughter for profiteering.


www.dga.org
Was that wrong? Should we not have done that? We're sorry, we're gonna have to plead ignorance on this thing, because if we had known that sort of thing was frowned upon...
 
2012-12-05 03:49:41 AM

gweilo8888: walkerhound: Also, someone needs to look up the word "freelance."

And somebody else needs to look up whether freelance photographers are remunerated, or simply hand out their work from the goodness of their tiny, perfect little hearts.


The Times as well as the Post paid for bloody bystander-taken photos of the August mass shooting. The Times, iirc, gave the guy who took the aerial shot of Steve Ercolino bled-out on the sidewalk got $300. He gave it to charity - but the guy was not a photographer, just a guy with a smartphone and the right angle. The larger point is that whatever you may think of the Post or Murdoch is irrelevant. Any paper in town that got that photo would use it and give it heavy play. They would also seek out witness photos and be willing to pay for those. Obviously the two tabloids in town are more eager to run the gruesome photo, but the Times is hardly above the fray.
 
2012-12-05 03:58:53 AM

Otto_E_Rodika: [skateparkoftampa.com image 349x450]

So is this no longer funny? Because I seem to remember quite a few giggles on Fark when this happened. And the guy taking the photos had to know that landing on hard stone from fifty feet in the air wearing only Spandex and a Toys-R-Us bike helmet was probably not going to end well.

/it didn't


How does a deranged psychopath grab an innocent bystander, dress him in spandex, force him onto a bicycle and shove him down a ramp and over the Great Wall of China?
 
2012-12-05 07:13:38 AM
That's why we read newspapers... because they're "classy".

Right?
 
2012-12-05 10:03:02 AM

walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.


yup, just like this guy:
Link

and this guy:
Link
 
2012-12-05 11:04:10 AM

mentula: yup, just like this guy:
Link

and this guy:
Link


And don't forget this woman who got all sorts of help: Link

And all these industrious NYers: Link, Link

You can't deny that what happened here is a complete act of cowardice for any who witnessed it.
 
2012-12-05 11:07:20 AM
RexTalionis

... There's been a rash of anti-Asian violence in the last 4 years. A few years ago, there was a rash of incidents involving kids who were beating up elderly Asian people in NYC. I think there was an NYT article on it....

... This is one of the NYT articles, although not the one I was thinking of - this one is about Attacks on Asians in San Francisco....


Tolerant liberals in NY and SF showing us how we can all just get along.
 
2012-12-05 12:01:59 PM

Otto_E_Rodika: [skateparkoftampa.com image 349x450]

So is this no longer funny? Because I seem to remember quite a few giggles on Fark when this happened. And the guy taking the photos had to know that landing on hard stone from fifty feet in the air wearing only Spandex and a Toys-R-Us bike helmet was probably not going to end well.

/it didn't


Do you have some context around this photo that I don't see? Because there's no way to tell from looking how high the guy is, what he's trying to do, or what he's going to land on. Presumably he's trying to do a planned bicycle jump, so he's planning on landing on something soft, or on a landing ramp inclined landing area and a a curved runout. Because otherwise he was landing on nothing but a set of 30mm pneumatic tires to absorb the impact, and it never would have worked for him even if he had stayed on the bike.

// but yeah, if he decided to jump the great wall of china on that bicycle, in those clothes, with no provision for a soft landing, that picture isn't the first mistake he's made with his life.
 
2012-12-05 03:04:02 PM
The point is an objection to the photographer, not whether or not the man in the photo can be saved. In the subway image, there is no way the photographer gets to the man in time to pull him up before the train gets to him. So his only question to ask himself is whether to not to shoot the man's last seconds on earth. He claims that he was firing off his flash to try and warn the subway driver. Maybe. Maybe not. But it is not like thousands of other photographers around the world haven't been faced with a similar situation, one where they realize they are a capturing the last moments of life of their subject. And they do so. The guy with the bike is another second with impacting the ground and game-over. To be upset about this image from the subway is hypocritical in the extreme.
 
2012-12-05 04:17:44 PM

TommyymmoT: oakleym82: TommyymmoT: ...


Amtrak trains do not have diesel locomotives in the NE corridor, nor to they have shoes/paddles. They are powered by overhead catenary to which the train connects with the pantograph.

Admittedly I don't have any better advice that lay down between the rails, lay under the platform, or run your ass off.
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HUH?
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Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

By "NE corridor", I assume you aren't including NYC, because there are no overhead power lines, and all trains operating in and out of NYC, are re ...


By Northeast Corridor I mean the Northeast Corridor, including NYC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Corridor

Amtrak will run diesels under the wire into Washington D.C. where all the trains sit and wait for that locomotive to be switched to an electric one for the trip north on the NEC. Northeast Regional trains run on Diesel on the New Haven, CT and Springfield MA, and in Virginia like I said. All NEC rails are electrified overhead, even in the tunnels into Penn Station in NYC.

Some NJ Transit, Metro North, and CDOT trains run diesel under the wires on the NEC, and some LIRR trains do the same, and do switch to an electric shoe when entering Manhattan. But almost all Amtrak trains are electric on the NEC. Amtrak rolling stock does not have the flip-down paddle. If given some circumstances they can't switch to a locomotive with a pantograph they will get towed into Penn Station.

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/so we're both right :)
 
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