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(Ars Technica)   New Mac espionage trojan targets Dalai Lama supporters   (arstechnica.com) divider line 45
    More: Silly, Dalai Lama, mac, espionages, F-SECURE, computer surveillance, keystrokes, OS X  
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2012-12-04 10:14:59 AM
Don't worry, they're laid back about it.
 
2012-12-04 10:51:47 AM
Ah, Oracle's Java. One of the worst products in the history of things that are terrible.
 
2012-12-04 11:19:32 AM
... which is nice.
 
2012-12-04 01:29:00 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Don't worry, they're laid back about it.


I was going to say... who would pick on them? they have no issues with anyone
 
2012-12-04 01:29:52 PM
"Movies are so unrealistic. A guy works on his computer for 10 minutes to break that code and not a single time a pop up comes up asking if he wants to update his Java".

/DNRTFA
 
2012-12-04 01:30:40 PM
Hacked by Chinese?
 
2012-12-04 01:31:12 PM
Gunga galunga...gunga -- gunga galunga
 
2012-12-04 01:31:20 PM

Snapper Carr: Hacked by Chinese?


Coca-Cola canneries on notice.
 
2012-12-04 01:32:02 PM
Wouldn't that be most Mac users?
 
2012-12-04 01:33:38 PM
Fools. Everyone knows apple products don't get viruses!
 
2012-12-04 01:33:46 PM
Man, these advertisers have no shame!
 
2012-12-04 01:35:21 PM
And Java programmers wonder why UNIX people so hate Java.... These sorts of things is only a couple in the multitude.
 
2012-12-04 01:35:41 PM
They must now all Mac users are liberals.
 
2012-12-04 01:36:04 PM

ChipNASA: Gunga galunga...gunga -- gunga galunga


came here to say it serves them right for making that their password
 
2012-12-04 01:36:53 PM
What a Mac 'drive-by' might look like....

cdn.shopify.com
 
2012-12-04 01:37:38 PM

Elegy: Fools. Everyone knows apple products don't get viruses!


Fun fact: a stock OSX box wouldn't be vulnerable to this virus. And these days, Safari makes you sign in blood before it'll let you run anything with Java in it. As it should. Keerist, Oracle is terrible.
 
2012-12-04 01:39:44 PM

JackieRabbit: And Java programmers wonder why UNIX people so hate Java.... These sorts of things is only a couple in the multitude.


And Oracle/Larry Ellison wonders why people think they are the devil
 
2012-12-04 01:40:32 PM

Dahnkster: What a Mac 'drive-by' might look like....

[cdn.shopify.com image 480x302]


and what a mac-10 drive by may look like
www.imfdb.org
 
2012-12-04 01:41:39 PM

t3knomanser: Elegy: Fools. Everyone knows apple products don't get viruses!

Fun fact: a stock OSX box wouldn't be vulnerable to this virus. And these days, Safari makes you sign in blood before it'll let you run anything with Java in it. As it should. Keerist, Oracle is terrible.


True. OSX and all UNIX derivatives are quite safe. It's add-on and third party software you have to be wary of. Oracle should have stuck to what it does best: RDBMS and related tools. They should never have bought the dying Sun.
 
2012-12-04 01:41:48 PM
ts3.mm.bing.net



what a Trojan may look like
 
2012-12-04 01:41:58 PM
maybe Mac should riot

upgifting.com
 
2012-12-04 01:42:18 PM

JackieRabbit: t3knomanser: Elegy: Fools. Everyone knows apple products don't get viruses!

Fun fact: a stock OSX box wouldn't be vulnerable to this virus. And these days, Safari makes you sign in blood before it'll let you run anything with Java in it. As it should. Keerist, Oracle is terrible.

True. OSX and all UNIX derivatives are quite safe. It's add-on and third party software you have to be wary of. Oracle should have stuck to what it does best: RDBMS and related tools. They should never have bought the dying Sun.


I wonder about OSX, do they keep the BSD kernal up to date?
 
2012-12-04 01:42:47 PM
fredericpatenaude.com

Hmmm, Mac...

/I haven't had lunch.
 
2012-12-04 01:45:53 PM

zedster: I wonder about OSX, do they keep the BSD kernal up to date?


They've got their own fork called Darwin.
 
2012-12-04 01:48:51 PM
It's rare that I see Dalai Lama and trojan in the same headline.
 
2012-12-04 01:53:17 PM
So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

BUT THEN I GOT THIS DAMN VIRUS!!! THANKS A LOT, MR. LAMA!


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2012-12-04 01:53:32 PM

zedster: JackieRabbit: t3knomanser: Elegy: Fools. Everyone knows apple products don't get viruses!

Fun fact: a stock OSX box wouldn't be vulnerable to this virus. And these days, Safari makes you sign in blood before it'll let you run anything with Java in it. As it should. Keerist, Oracle is terrible.

True. OSX and all UNIX derivatives are quite safe. It's add-on and third party software you have to be wary of. Oracle should have stuck to what it does best: RDBMS and related tools. They should never have bought the dying Sun.

I wonder about OSX, do they keep the BSD kernal up to date?


They seem to. They do a better job on it than IBM does. We use AIX at work on IBM big iron machines. I do a lot of shell programming. I write them on my mac and move them up to the AIX LPars. Last year I had something work flawlessly in the Bash shell on My mac, but didn't produce the expected results in AIX. I did some googling and found that the problem was caused by a bug in the bash shell from over 10 years ago. Apparently Apple does a better job than IBM in this regard.
 
2012-12-04 01:55:45 PM
b...bu...but....Macs don't get viruses!
 
2012-12-04 02:09:55 PM

abhorrent1: b...bu...but....Macs don't get viruses!


This is a Java trojan, not a Mac trojan. It is very hard to infect a UNIX machine with a virus because the kernel won't allow most unknown code to get hooks into the kernel. They have to be written in C by someone who knows how to exploit a known, un-patched vulnerability. The script kiddies can't do this. But Java can do things on its own and if messages to non-standard ports are not blocked at the firewall, well, you have a problem. A lot of people never bother to configure their firewall on Mac, Windows or router. Safari does a good job of stoping nefarious code from executing. I get a pop-up if a website attempts to install a program. I have to supply an administrator password to allow it to happen. I also get a warning before navigating to a web page that has possible or known nefarious code embedded. I've worked in UNIX (multiple flavors) for over 20 years and have never had a machine infected by a virus. It's just rare.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:10 PM
Didn't Apple already install a virus on everybody's computer? I remember the last software update slowed every Mac to a crawl until they went and bought Mountain Lion or whatever the latest is.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:38 PM

wildcardjack: [fredericpatenaude.com image 500x345]

Hmmm, Mac...

/I haven't had lunch.


And now I don't want lunch.
 
2012-12-04 02:26:31 PM

LectertheChef: Didn't Apple already install a virus on everybody's computer? I remember the last software update slowed every Mac to a crawl until they went and bought Mountain Lion or whatever the latest is.


Not true. However, Mountain Lion is much faster than previous versions.
 
2012-12-04 02:31:54 PM

JackieRabbit: However, Mountain Lion is much faster than previous versions


Overall, true. It's always impressive to me how OSX tends to _improve_ performance with successive releases. Snow Leopard was an amazingly cunning change to their OS release cycle which allowed Apple to focus on non-user-visible functionality. Your average user doesn't give a damn about OpenCL or Grand Central's distributed programming model. But they do care that the OS is faster and its footprint is smaller. Ditching Universal Binaries at long last was a nice improvement.
 
2012-12-04 02:38:03 PM

t3knomanser: Snow Leopard was an amazingly cunning change to their OS release cycle which allowed Apple to focus on non-user-visible functionality.


Snow Leopard is the Windows XP of MacOS.

Too much bloopity-bloop going on these days, and trackpad gestures and everything is grey and cold now. And where's my growl??

/yells at Apple-shaped cloud
 
2012-12-04 02:50:32 PM

mccallcl: t3knomanser: Snow Leopard was an amazingly cunning change to their OS release cycle which allowed Apple to focus on non-user-visible functionality.

Snow Leopard is the Windows XP of MacOS.

Too much bloopity-bloop going on these days, and trackpad gestures and everything is grey and cold now. And where's my growl??

/yells at Apple-shaped cloud networked hardware/software-as-a-service


I hate jargon, that term specifically.
 
2012-12-04 02:58:12 PM

mccallcl: and trackpad gestures


Trackpad gestures are awesome. I do think they got a little carried away with core animation as a new toy, but I can't get too peeved about that. The message center is their attempt at doing Growl, but it isn't Growl. Why can't they just buy the company that makes Growl? I don't understand.
 
2012-12-04 05:00:47 PM

LectertheChef: Didn't Apple already install a virus on everybody's computer?


iTunes?
 
2012-12-04 05:57:08 PM

t3knomanser: mccallcl: and trackpad gestures

Trackpad gestures are awesome. I do think they got a little carried away with core animation as a new toy, but I can't get too peeved about that. The message center is their attempt at doing Growl, but it isn't Growl. Why can't they just buy the company that makes Growl? I don't understand.


Or, you know, install growl on your system...
 
2012-12-04 06:28:14 PM
Stay classy, China.
 
2012-12-04 06:29:14 PM

Kit Fister: Or, you know, install growl on your system...


Mountain Lion broke Growl!

t3knomanser: I do think they got a little carried away with core animation as a new toy, but I can't get too peeved about that.


Neither can I. In order for CoreAnimation to work well on the Phone and on the desktop, they had to wear that shiat out in testing, which meant make everything animate all over the place. I'm cool with that, I just think Snow Leopard got things just right and then they piled on a bunch of stuff:

-Window control buttons keep getting smaller and harder to notice. I know, it's ridiculous that they are stoplight colored, I'm sure the designers hate that and are passive-aggressively trying to make them vanish out of shame, but why not just copy Windows on the one thing it got right? Why are they still round? Somebody at Apple must have naked photos of somebody else at Apple's wife. This is inexplicable!

-Screw notification center, spotlight is the best OSX feature of all time (OF ALL TIME) and they shouldn't move stuff into the #1 best part of the screen just to encourage you to "discover" it because they are proud of it.

-"Natural Scrolling" my ass!

-Moving the developer tools' folder structure around. Cut it out, it was UNIX-y before, now it's all user-y.

-The UI is now almost invisible. Believe it or not, I like the window chrome, it's what I use to manage my windows with

-full-screen implementation doesn't work right on multiple monitors

-launch pad is for babies, stupid feature, never use it
 
2012-12-04 07:08:15 PM
Gentoo, or go home.
 
2012-12-04 07:52:44 PM

mccallcl: Mountain Lion broke Growl!


It did? I'me running it (along with Hiss, which integrates Growl with Notification Center)

mccallcl: "Natural Scrolling" my ass!


I love natural scrolling. I've actually inverted the scroll wheel on my mouse at work, because I got all confused.

mccallcl: Window control buttons keep getting smaller and harder to notice.


I never use them. I also use graphite, so they're not stop-light colored for me. At least, not until Steam freaks out and decides that it has aqua buttons.

mccallcl: full-screen implementation doesn't work right on multiple monitors


It can't possibly work right on multiple monitors. If I make a browser window full-screen, does it span the monitors? That'd be terrible. Does it just take over my primary? That at least makes sense. Perhaps in an ideal world, I could have one full-screen application per monitor, but that would break the way Spaces works... it's just a mess. I understand that it's sub-par on multiple monitors, but that's completely unavoidable.

mccallcl: spotlight is the best OSX feature of all time


I never use it. I do use Quicksilver for launching things, which kinda gets the same direction. I have used the CLI interface to Spotlight once or twice, but mostly because its cache got jacked up and needed reset.

mccallcl: launch pad is for babies, stupid feature, never use it


Launchpad isn't even for babies. It's waaaaaay too complex and difficult to use. I see what they were trying to accomplish, and I suppose if you only do one or two things on your computer, it might not be so bad. I've got page after page after page of apps though. It's not even worth it to try and organize Launchpad.
 
2012-12-05 12:01:49 AM
I learned a long, long time ago not to bother customizing the way my Mac works. Every significant release breaks everything. I don't mind being on the treadmill, but at least one developer behind some gizmo I use does, so I have learned to just eat Apple dick every time they release. Since I started doing development with their tools, I have to take all the updates, or something about my app is jacked up and won't make it into the store.

Anyway, sounds like you have some custom stuff going on to make up for the shortcomings, which is cool, but I just don't have time to install and maintain all of that. I would rather write biatchy Fark posts!
 
2012-12-05 12:07:14 PM
What does it do? Try to install Winamp so it can whip the llama's *is shot*
 
2012-12-05 04:27:40 PM
www.allrightmagazine.com
 
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