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(Today I Found Out)   Q: How does someone get 'Dick' from 'Richard'? A: You ask him nicely. Seriously, here comes the science   (todayifoundout.com) divider line 12
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2012-12-04 10:51:32 AM  
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I rather enjoy the revival of 'here comes the science'
2012-12-04 03:13:51 PM  
2 votes:

sephjnr: I_C_Weener: Jack Kennedy from John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

Indeed. I never considered 'Jack' to be a nickname for 'John', It makes more sense being short for 'jackson'.


One route is

John -> (german) Jan -> Jan-kin (John child, little John) -> Jackin -> Jack
2012-12-04 01:54:38 PM  
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Here's a fun word TFA left out: "hypocorism". Wikipedia: Hypocorism

It's the shortened "childish" forms of words or given name. Most commonly reducing a word to its first syllable, and adding -y/-ie to the end. "movie ("moving picture"), telly ("television") or Aussie ("Australian"'). William to Willie (which isn't actually shorter). Duck to "duckie".
2012-12-04 01:37:48 PM  
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Sybarite: I've always found the origins of diminutive names interesting. I remember reading that a few of the odd ones in English come from the fact that the indigenous population in Britain had trouble pronouncing the hard "r" sound in a lot of the names that Normans brought with them. That's how we get Dolly from Dorothy, Maggie from Margaret, Babs from Barbara, etc.


Umm many childhood "nicknames" come from childish pronunciation - either a young child or its siblings messed up on the official pronunciation because it as too hard. Also in a society where many children are named for their parents or grandparents there wind up being a confusing amount of people with the same name - this giving a motive for preserving childhood nicknames.
2012-12-04 01:06:58 PM  
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But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.
2012-12-04 10:39:54 PM  
1 votes:
An anonymous poem:

In search from A to Z they passed,
And "Marguerita" chose at last;
But thought it sound far more sweet
To call the baby "Marguerite."
When grandma saw the little pet,
She called her "darling Margaret."
Next uncle Jack and cousin Aggie
Sent cup and spoon to "little Maggie."
And grandpapa the right must beg
To call the lassie "bonnie Meg."
From "Marguerita" down to "Meg,"
And now she's simply "little Peg."

- Eirene Varley, Austin, Texas
2012-12-04 02:59:33 PM  
1 votes:

eltejon: sephjnr: I_C_Weener: Jack Kennedy from John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

Indeed. I never considered 'Jack' to be a nickname for 'John', It makes more sense being short for 'jackson'.

As in Jacque. The French equivalent of John. Bugged me for a long time too. Still... what's the point of using a nick name that is the same length as the original?


I thought that was "Jean" actually.
2012-12-04 01:44:22 PM  
1 votes:
Another fun, related topic is British "cockney rhyming" slang. Brits often replace words with a rhyming phrase. Then they obfuscate things even further by dropping the rhyming portion of the phrase.

Example: Many Brits call a phone a dog, as in "I'll have to get on the dog and talk to him".

Dog is an abbreviated form of "dog and bone"
Dog and bone rhymes with phone.

Lots more here: www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk
db2
2012-12-04 01:15:40 PM  
1 votes:
Well have you ever met Richard? Dude's a dick.
2012-12-04 01:15:39 PM  
1 votes:

Grapple: But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.


Pick13: How do you get Bill from William?


So neither of you read the article?
2012-12-04 01:14:13 PM  
1 votes:
Linguistics is your friend!
2012-12-04 01:07:32 PM  
1 votes:

Sybarite: I've always found the origins of diminutive names interesting. I remember reading that a few of the odd ones in English come from the fact that the indigenous population in Britain had trouble pronouncing the hard "r" sound in a lot of the names that Normans brought with them. That's how we get Dolly from Dorothy, Maggie from Margaret, Babs from Barbara, etc.


But how did we get Peg from Margaret?
 
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