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2012-12-04 10:32:57 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-04 10:44:17 AM  
I've always found the origins of diminutive names interesting. I remember reading that a few of the odd ones in English come from the fact that the indigenous population in Britain had trouble pronouncing the hard "r" sound in a lot of the names that Normans brought with them. That's how we get Dolly from Dorothy, Maggie from Margaret, Babs from Barbara, etc.
 
2012-12-04 10:51:32 AM  
I rather enjoy the revival of 'here comes the science'
 
2012-12-04 10:54:27 AM  
Is this the internet reflecting Reddit or Reddit reflecting the internet?

Thread from Reddit 

The unanswerable question or are writers running out of ideas and searching aggregators for ideas? You be the judge!
 
2012-12-04 11:01:35 AM  

Tahs4Evar: Is this the internet reflecting Reddit or Reddit reflecting the internet?

Thread from Reddit 

The unanswerable question or are writers running out of ideas and searching aggregators for ideas? You be the judge!


Errrm, unless you look at the dates.....

/Slinks quickly out of the thread.
 
2012-12-04 11:06:48 AM  
I am gonna name my first son Dickhard

/Or Aethelwulf for the lulz
 
2012-12-04 11:55:47 AM  
Jack Kennedy from John Fitzgerald Kennedy?
 
2012-12-04 12:57:46 PM  
Curt is short for Curtis

/ponderous man, truly ponderous
 
2012-12-04 01:01:38 PM  
I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.
 
2012-12-04 01:03:17 PM  
So, in short, Dick = hard ruler.

/TMYK
 
2012-12-04 01:03:18 PM  
Story needs more dick/penis.
 
2012-12-04 01:04:34 PM  
www.nndb.com

Same way you get "turd" from third.
 
2012-12-04 01:06:58 PM  
But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.
 
2012-12-04 01:07:32 PM  

Sybarite: I've always found the origins of diminutive names interesting. I remember reading that a few of the odd ones in English come from the fact that the indigenous population in Britain had trouble pronouncing the hard "r" sound in a lot of the names that Normans brought with them. That's how we get Dolly from Dorothy, Maggie from Margaret, Babs from Barbara, etc.


But how did we get Peg from Margaret?
 
2012-12-04 01:07:49 PM  
How do you get Bill from William?
 
2012-12-04 01:08:53 PM  
Has a better explanation:

d2jos65913uaef.cloudfront.net
 
2012-12-04 01:09:21 PM  
Bonus fact:
Dick also once popularly meant an assertion, announcement, or declaration, such as "I do dick Mr. Beauregard... you are my hero!" Similarly, someone's 'dying dick' meant something completely different in the Middle Ages as it would now, namely their 'dying declaration'.

Ummm, yea right. Good luck trying to squeeze that one into a conversation. 

/Is dying dick like whiskey dick?
 
2012-12-04 01:09:24 PM  

Grapple: But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.


Faster by thirty-odd seconds! Nice.

/What does science have to do with this, anyway?
 
2012-12-04 01:10:18 PM  
Chuck for Charles

/No, Chuck is not my farking name.
 
2012-12-04 01:13:10 PM  
bulk.destructoid.com

"Why do you keep calling me Dick?"

"Sorry, Mr. Burton..."
 
2012-12-04 01:14:13 PM  
Linguistics is your friend!
 
2012-12-04 01:15:39 PM  

Grapple: But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.


Pick13: How do you get Bill from William?


So neither of you read the article?
 
db2
2012-12-04 01:15:40 PM  
Well have you ever met Richard? Dude's a dick.
 
2012-12-04 01:17:14 PM  

Midnight Rambler: [bulk.destructoid.com image 620x350]

"Why do you keep calling me Dick?"

"Sorry, Mr. Burton..."


That's all i could think of during the recent "Liz and Dick" buzz. Watching that movie tonight, wife-permitting. Best Xmas movie ever. followed closely by The Ref
 
2012-12-04 01:18:11 PM  

SuperChuck: Grapple: But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.

Pick13: How do you get Bill from William?

So neither of you read the article?


yes, rhyming blah blah blah... So Margaret becomes Maggie which DOESN'T RHYME AT ALL WITH PEGGY. *ahem* I get the Bill-William thing.
 
2012-12-04 01:18:52 PM  
So I really AM a Hick.

/shudder
 
2012-12-04 01:19:48 PM  
Why would anyone in their right mind name their kid Richard in this day and age?
 
2012-12-04 01:20:10 PM  

Grapple: yes, rhyming blah blah blah... So Margaret becomes Maggie which DOESN'T RHYME AT ALL WITH PEGGY. *ahem* I get the Bill-William thing.


Changing the a to an e is not a big change. Maybe someone thought Peggy sounded better than Paggy or someone misspelled it or misheard it because of an accent.
 
2012-12-04 01:20:20 PM  

Grapple: SuperChuck: Grapple: But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.

Pick13: How do you get Bill from William?

So neither of you read the article?

yes, rhyming blah blah blah... So Margaret becomes Maggie which DOESN'T RHYME AT ALL WITH PEGGY. *ahem* I get the Bill-William thing.


I guess Margaret could become Meg (somehow) which rhymes with Peg which gets you to Peggy? That's a lot of steps for a diminutive.
 
2012-12-04 01:20:46 PM  
I get tired of all of the Dick/Richard jokes. It's so childish.
 
2012-12-04 01:21:10 PM  

eltejon: I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.


Time Warner is much of a porn name. Just sayin'....
 
2012-12-04 01:21:30 PM  
dick milch
 
2012-12-04 01:22:34 PM  

Richard Flaccid: I get tired of all of the Dick/Richard jokes. It's so childish.


Well played.
 
2012-12-04 01:22:39 PM  
ladiagonale.ca


Hello buddy boy, Dick Jones here
 
2012-12-04 01:22:51 PM  
Always wondered how you get "sha-chef-ski" from Krzyzewski.
 
2012-12-04 01:24:01 PM  

Richard Flaccid: I get tired of all of the Dick/Richard jokes. It's so childish.


It could be worse.

/know a guy named Bonar.
 
2012-12-04 01:24:45 PM  
Without glancing at the article, going to guess that the "ch" used to be pronounced by the lower classes in England as a Germanic k instead of the shh-like sound that would have come over from Normandy and propagated among the new, French-speaking upper class. Richard/Rickard easily decays to "Dick" from "Rick".

Now to find out how wrong I am...
 
2012-12-04 01:25:18 PM  

eltejon: I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.


Your name is Dick Comcast?

//They are pretty much dicks

///Actually, I'm guessing Richard Warner. What do I win?
 
2012-12-04 01:27:27 PM  

show me: eltejon: I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.

Your name is Dick Comcast?

//They are pretty much dicks

///Actually, I'm guessing Richard Warner. What do I win?


Ah, I see you are Dick Cox in your profile. That's a good one if true.
 
2012-12-04 01:27:30 PM  

show me: eltejon: I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.

Your name is Dick Comcast?

//They are pretty much dicks

///Actually, I'm guessing Richard Warner. What do I win?


Dick Cox
 
2012-12-04 01:28:05 PM  

show me: show me: eltejon: I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.

Your name is Dick Comcast?

//They are pretty much dicks

///Actually, I'm guessing Richard Warner. What do I win?

Ah, I see you are Dick Cox in your profile. That's a good one if true.


SONOFAbiatch
 
2012-12-04 01:30:42 PM  

show me: eltejon: I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.

Your name is Dick Comcast?

//They are pretty much dicks

///Actually, I'm guessing Richard Warner. What do I win?


The lulz vote for Dick Cox with the runners up being Dick Adelphia and Dick Qwest, with the winner in the "not sure if cable company" category is Dick Bend (after Bend Broadband)
 
2012-12-04 01:30:51 PM  
I'm dating a Margaret that hates it shortened, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/ "Hey you!" is my weapon of choice.
 
2012-12-04 01:31:05 PM  
CSB, we had a police officer in my town growing up named Richard Head.
 
2012-12-04 01:34:51 PM  

Grapple: CSB, we had a police officer in my town growing up named Richard Head.


I went to grade school with Richard Dickerson. His parents should be shot.
 
2012-12-04 01:37:48 PM  

Sybarite: I've always found the origins of diminutive names interesting. I remember reading that a few of the odd ones in English come from the fact that the indigenous population in Britain had trouble pronouncing the hard "r" sound in a lot of the names that Normans brought with them. That's how we get Dolly from Dorothy, Maggie from Margaret, Babs from Barbara, etc.


Umm many childhood "nicknames" come from childish pronunciation - either a young child or its siblings messed up on the official pronunciation because it as too hard. Also in a society where many children are named for their parents or grandparents there wind up being a confusing amount of people with the same name - this giving a motive for preserving childhood nicknames.
 
2012-12-04 01:37:51 PM  

12349876: Dick Qwest


That was the hentai version of ElfQuest, right?
 
2012-12-04 01:38:44 PM  

HairBolus: Sybarite: I've always found the origins of diminutive names interesting. I remember reading that a few of the odd ones in English come from the fact that the indigenous population in Britain had trouble pronouncing the hard "r" sound in a lot of the names that Normans brought with them. That's how we get Dolly from Dorothy, Maggie from Margaret, Babs from Barbara, etc.

Umm many childhood "nicknames" come from childish pronunciation - either a young child or its siblings messed up on the official pronunciation because it as too hard. Also in a society where many children are named for their parents or grandparents there wind up being a confusing amount of people with the same name - this giving a motive for preserving childhood nicknames.


Good justification, Pisspants.
 
2012-12-04 01:43:32 PM  

jackiepaper: Midnight Rambler: [bulk.destructoid.com image 620x350]

"Why do you keep calling me Dick?"

"Sorry, Mr. Burton..."

That's all i could think of during the recent "Liz and Dick" buzz. Watching that movie tonight, wife-permitting. Best Xmas movie ever. followed closely by The Ref


I agree. I watch it every year. One of Murray's best performances.
 
2012-12-04 01:44:22 PM  
Another fun, related topic is British "cockney rhyming" slang. Brits often replace words with a rhyming phrase. Then they obfuscate things even further by dropping the rhyming portion of the phrase.

Example: Many Brits call a phone a dog, as in "I'll have to get on the dog and talk to him".

Dog is an abbreviated form of "dog and bone"
Dog and bone rhymes with phone.

Lots more here: www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk
 
2012-12-04 01:44:26 PM  
I just saw this dialog on Imgur this morning.
 
2012-12-04 01:46:32 PM  

show me: Grapple: CSB, we had a police officer in my town growing up named Richard Head.

I went to grade school with Richard Dickerson. His parents should be shot.


Richard Trickle is still the best/worse in my book.
 
WGJ [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 01:48:19 PM  
His name is Richard but he prefers Dick
 
2012-12-04 01:51:22 PM  

WGJ: His name is Richard but he prefers Dick


Mr. Trickle? Yeah, I know, I just wanted to refer to his actual name. His parents either hated him or were stoned and thought it would be funny. Or maybe "Dick" referred more to private investigators when he was born.
 
2012-12-04 01:52:55 PM  

Canton: Grapple: But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.

Faster by thirty-odd seconds! Nice.

/What does science have to do with this, anyway?


Linguistics
 
2012-12-04 01:54:38 PM  
Here's a fun word TFA left out: "hypocorism". Wikipedia: Hypocorism

It's the shortened "childish" forms of words or given name. Most commonly reducing a word to its first syllable, and adding -y/-ie to the end. "movie ("moving picture"), telly ("television") or Aussie ("Australian"'). William to Willie (which isn't actually shorter). Duck to "duckie".
 
2012-12-04 01:54:39 PM  
Best line from Henry VI part 3 (prequel to Richard III):

And thou misshapen Dick

/not everybody has a favorite line from Henry VI part 3
 
2012-12-04 02:00:46 PM  

12349876: show me: eltejon: I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.

Your name is Dick Comcast?

//They are pretty much dicks

///Actually, I'm guessing Richard Warner. What do I win?

The lulz vote for Dick Cox with the runners up being Dick Adelphia and Dick Qwest, with the winner in the "not sure if cable company" category is Dick Bend (after Bend Broadband)


We have a cable provider in this region called Grande. Was really hoping for that porn name instead.
 
2012-12-04 02:06:12 PM  
here comes the dick
 
2012-12-04 02:08:56 PM  

12349876: show me: eltejon: I resemble this, and my last name is the same as a cable company. So awesome... Born with my own porn name.

Your name is Dick Comcast?

//They are pretty much dicks

///Actually, I'm guessing Richard Warner. What do I win?

The lulz vote for Dick Cox with the runners up being Dick Adelphia and Dick Qwest, with the winner in the "not sure if cable company" category is Dick Bend (after Bend Broadband)


'Tis all true. I don't think it was nearly as common in'72. Thanks alot Nixon.
 
2012-12-04 02:15:21 PM  
Chicago politicians -
Dick Phelan ("Failin")
Dick Daley
Dick Mell
 
2012-12-04 02:23:36 PM  
csb

I knew of a Richard Zweener. He did go by Dick. What's worse is that he was Jr. and the family called them "Big Dick" and "Little Dick"

/csb
 
2012-12-04 02:23:44 PM  
Q: how do u get dick from rick?
A: let me get an expert on that

cdn.celebritycarsblog.com
 
2012-12-04 02:24:58 PM  
Spanish has some odd ones too

Francisco becomes Pancho.
Jesus becomes Chuy.
 
2012-12-04 02:27:22 PM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Canton: Grapple: But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.

Faster by thirty-odd seconds! Nice.

/What does science have to do with this, anyway?

Linguistics


Ah. So it is. For some reason I was thinking that was a humanities thing, but the lines do get blurry ...
 
2012-12-04 02:30:53 PM  

I_C_Weener: Jack Kennedy from John Fitzgerald Kennedy?


Indeed. I never considered 'Jack' to be a nickname for 'John', It makes more sense being short for 'jackson'.
 
2012-12-04 02:33:06 PM  
Biggus Dickus
 
2012-12-04 02:41:29 PM  

sephjnr: I_C_Weener: Jack Kennedy from John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

Indeed. I never considered 'Jack' to be a nickname for 'John', It makes more sense being short for 'jackson'.


As in Jacque. The French equivalent of John. Bugged me for a long time too. Still... what's the point of using a nick name that is the same length as the original?
 
2012-12-04 02:59:33 PM  

eltejon: sephjnr: I_C_Weener: Jack Kennedy from John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

Indeed. I never considered 'Jack' to be a nickname for 'John', It makes more sense being short for 'jackson'.

As in Jacque. The French equivalent of John. Bugged me for a long time too. Still... what's the point of using a nick name that is the same length as the original?


I thought that was "Jean" actually.
 
2012-12-04 02:59:46 PM  
img835.imageshack.us

Your husband introduced you as Winifred. Are you a 'Winnie' or a 'Freddie'?
 
2012-12-04 03:13:51 PM  

sephjnr: I_C_Weener: Jack Kennedy from John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

Indeed. I never considered 'Jack' to be a nickname for 'John', It makes more sense being short for 'jackson'.


One route is

John -> (german) Jan -> Jan-kin (John child, little John) -> Jackin -> Jack
 
2012-12-04 03:17:06 PM  
Note that "Hard ruler" in Norwegian is Hardrada - and Harald Hardrada was the king of Norway who tried to conquer England, lost, but weakened Harold the Saxon's army enough that William the Conqueror could take over.

It's interesting to think that it's a royal epithet in one country and a common name in another.
 
2012-12-04 03:24:49 PM  
i am Jack's medula obluganta
 
2012-12-04 03:26:24 PM  
I once knew a Richard Johnson.
And, as the mother of a Margaret, I too wonder about the whole Peggy thing.
 
2012-12-04 03:26:44 PM  
Margaret becomes Meg & Meggy which rhymes with Peggy.

And now you know.
 
2012-12-04 03:30:54 PM  
Bart is another derivative of Richard. Still don't know how, but it is.
 
2012-12-04 03:38:47 PM  
Without reading, i'd guess Richard is from Ricardo, or Rickard, shortened to Rick, and then somehow to Dick.

I want to know why Johnathan becomes Jack, and many others.

Ah, ok just read above and found that, too.
 
2012-12-04 03:48:27 PM  
How does someone get 'Dick' from 'Richard'?

In a lot of cases, you just have to ask.
 
2012-12-04 04:06:11 PM  

RoyHobbs22: Always wondered how you get "sha-chef-ski" from Krzyzewski.


Crap.  There was a page out there that did a great job explaining it.  But I can't find it now.
 
2012-12-04 04:08:03 PM  
As someone who often goes by the name of Dick, I'm getting a kick outta these replies.

lilbjorn: How does someone get 'Dick' from 'Richard'?

In a lot of cases, you just have to ask.


Hell in my case the right girls wouldn't even need to ask.
 
2012-12-04 04:09:03 PM  

cman: I am gonna name my first son Dickhard

/Or Aethelwulf for the lulz


I don't remember who but one of Fark's regulars has a first name of Dickolas.
 
2012-12-04 04:15:08 PM  
Big Dick Smoker - RIP

Richard J. Smoker

Richard J. Smoker, age 70, of Plover, died at home November 29, 2012 while under the care of his family and Ministry Home Care Hospice.

Dick was born April 13, 1942 to the late William & Blanche (McKnight) Smoker in Joliet, IL. He grew up there and attended the local schools.


Link
 
2012-12-04 04:19:10 PM  

Theaetetus: HairBolus: Sybarite: I've always found the origins of diminutive names interesting. I remember reading that a few of the odd ones in English come from the fact that the indigenous population in Britain had trouble pronouncing the hard "r" sound in a lot of the names that Normans brought with them. That's how we get Dolly from Dorothy, Maggie from Margaret, Babs from Barbara, etc.

Umm many childhood "nicknames" come from childish pronunciation - either a young child or its siblings messed up on the official pronunciation because it as too hard. Also in a society where many children are named for their parents or grandparents there wind up being a confusing amount of people with the same name - this giving a motive for preserving childhood nicknames.

Good justification, Pisspants.


For example, Dabo Swinney.
 
2012-12-04 04:21:34 PM  

Sugarloafer: I once knew a Richard Johnson.
And, as the mother of a Margaret, I too wonder about the whole Peggy thing.


There's a well known race car driver in Australia called Dick Johnson.
 
2012-12-04 04:22:39 PM  

tafka: Margaret becomes Meg & Meggy which rhymes with Peggy.

And now you know.


Yes, but why does Margaret become Meg?
 
2012-12-04 04:47:03 PM  

kg2095: tafka: Margaret becomes Meg & Meggy which rhymes with Peggy.

And now you know.

Yes, but why does Margaret become Meg?


There were probably a couple of diminutive steps along the way.
 
2012-12-04 05:23:31 PM  

someguy945: Another fun, related topic is British "cockney rhyming" slang. Brits often replace words with a rhyming phrase. Then they obfuscate things even further by dropping the rhyming portion of the phrase.

Example: Many Brits call a phone a dog, as in "I'll have to get on the dog and talk to him".

Dog is an abbreviated form of "dog and bone"
Dog and bone rhymes with phone.

Lots more here: www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk


One of my favourites is "seppo" for American.
 
2012-12-04 05:24:12 PM  

Oznog: Here's a fun word TFA left out: "hypocorism". Wikipedia: Hypocorism

It's the shortened "childish" forms of words or given name. Most commonly reducing a word to its first syllable, and adding -y/-ie to the end. "movie ("moving picture"), telly ("television") or Aussie ("Australian"'). William to Willie (which isn't actually shorter). Duck to "duckie".



Stuff like this is a big reason I have a hard time conversing with my wife's family. In Spanish, nouns are made diminutive by adding -ito/-ita, which is then further complicated by abbreviations. So something I might understand in its base form, like "mi hijo", becomes "m'ito" in common usage.

\Protip: when talking to a foreigner, lay off the shortened versions. They will appreciate you for it.
 
2012-12-04 06:27:52 PM  

cherryl taggart: Bart is another derivative of Richard. Still don't know how, but it is.


Pronounce it "Rickart."

Do you see it now?
 
2012-12-04 08:44:27 PM  

Frankenstorm: Why would anyone in their right mind name their kid Richard in this day and age?


*ahem*

I like my name tyvm. Can't say the same for my cousin's kid named Courtlynn. That one's just..I dunno
 
2012-12-04 09:59:46 PM  
Thought it was because of this guymedia.npr.org
 
2012-12-04 10:39:54 PM  
An anonymous poem:

In search from A to Z they passed,
And "Marguerita" chose at last;
But thought it sound far more sweet
To call the baby "Marguerite."
When grandma saw the little pet,
She called her "darling Margaret."
Next uncle Jack and cousin Aggie
Sent cup and spoon to "little Maggie."
And grandpapa the right must beg
To call the lassie "bonnie Meg."
From "Marguerita" down to "Meg,"
And now she's simply "little Peg."

- Eirene Varley, Austin, Texas
 
2012-12-04 11:25:42 PM  
No one, huh?

i277.photobucket.com
" Uh, Dick? Excuse me; Rich. Will milk be made available to us?"
 
2012-12-04 11:59:02 PM  
Mary-> Molly-> Polly. Now I know how the Polly came about, but not the Molly.
 
2012-12-05 02:36:18 AM  

show me: Grapple: CSB, we had a police officer in my town growing up named Richard Head.

I went to grade school with Richard Dickerson. His parents should be shot.


I went to high school with Anita Dick.
 
2012-12-05 09:21:32 AM  

cutepet: show me: Grapple: CSB, we had a police officer in my town growing up named Richard Head.

I went to grade school with Richard Dickerson. His parents should be shot.

I went to high school with Anita Dick.


Oh, that reminds me, I also used to work with a girl named Anita Johnson.
 
2012-12-05 08:23:31 PM  
there are parents who actually name their son Dick. i don't know what the hell is wrong with people.
 
2012-12-06 06:28:32 PM  

Grapple: But where the hell do you get "Peggy" from "Margaret"??? Explain that one, Mr. Science.


Margaret->Meggy->Peggy?

That one's a bit of a stretch.

=]
 
2012-12-07 01:26:02 PM  
Henry = Hankry = Hank
 
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