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(WBUR Boston)   Woman sues over 3 years in prison following tortured confession. That'll teach somebody a lesson. Probably the city's insurance company   (wbur.org) divider line 86
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2012-12-04 01:22:26 PM  
District Attorney JosephJubal Early validated both the interrogation and the arrest.

Does that sound right to you?
cf.badassdigest.com
 
2012-12-04 01:22:41 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Hopefully, she'll get a huge settlement.

Then she can use the money to go here.


Heh... I see what you did there... Brilliant!
 
2012-12-04 01:25:36 PM  

ApatheticMonkey: Can someone tell me why read the Police lines in Tommy Wiseau's voice?


I read everything on Fark in that voice. It makes Pocket Ninja even better, if you can believe it.
 
2012-12-04 01:28:17 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: Yeah, I heard some of this on the radio this morning. Not a good way to wake up. On the one hand I thought it was kind of sick that the video was released so now anyone can watch the detectives put this girl through the ringer, but on the other hand, a good, outraged public outcry is probably for the best.


I guess clothes dryers account for the demise of the word "wringer."

I think releasing that video was an admirable public service. Shows people exactly why they shouldn't talk to cops.
 
2012-12-04 01:39:12 PM  

ApatheticMonkey: ChipNASA: serial_crusher: Protip: Don't confess to things you didn't do?

Here's how it probably went.

Police..."WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE DEATH OF THE BABY?!?!?"

Defendant: " Nga Truong"

Police; "THAT'S BULLshiat YOU'RE LYING."

Can someone tell me why read the Police lines in Tommy Wiseau's voice?


I went with Jack Bauer. "Confess to these bogus allegations RIGHT NOW"
 
2012-12-04 01:40:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I guess clothes dryers account for the demise of the word "wringer."


Damn it, my literacy and/or proofreading is nonexistent today. I'm out.
 
2012-12-04 01:42:57 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: And it's for crap like this that you should never, ever consent to talk to the police without a lawyer in the room.


This. And don't they have to have parental consent to interrogate a minor?
 
2012-12-04 01:46:19 PM  

punkhippie: OtherLittleGuy: Hopefully, she'll get a huge settlement.

And hopefully those cops will get two in the head, each. Scum like that isn't fit to live.


A huge settlement will only hurt the townspeople. But I understand the need for compensation. It should also include the 2 cops getting 3 years each in a PMITA prison, castration, registering as child sex offenders, and lose any hope of working in law enforcement or security again.

/just my opinion, YMMV
//live but have a hell of a life....
 
2012-12-04 01:48:11 PM  

iheartscotch: I agree, you have to exercise your rights. I'm wondering how they got away with questioning a 16 year-old without a parent present. Maybe that differs state to state.


According to the article, the interrogator wasn't "properly trained" so that he didn't realize that she was a "juvenile."

And, I'm sorry, but if you don't realize that anyone under the age of 18 constitutes a "juvenile" under our legal system (with or without proper training), YOU AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO BE A COP.
 
2012-12-04 01:53:09 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: And it's for crap like this that you should never, ever consent to talk to the police without a lawyer in the room.


THIS THIS THIS



They are not your friends. They are not there to help you. They are there to close cases and throw people in jail. If you are not the victim you are a suspect.



They used to be peace officers. Now they are law enforcement troopers.
 
2012-12-04 01:54:35 PM  

midnite_farker: punkhippie: OtherLittleGuy: Hopefully, she'll get a huge settlement.

And hopefully those cops will get two in the head, each. Scum like that isn't fit to live.

A huge settlement will only hurt the townspeople. But I understand the need for compensation. It should also include the 2 cops getting 3 years each in a PMITA prison, castration, registering as child sex offenders, and lose any hope of working in law enforcement or security again.

/just my opinion, YMMV
//live but have a hell of a life....


I'd be OK with that ( minus the castration & registering as child sex offenders ). Tack on some wage garnishment after prison to pay the girl for some psychiatric counseling as well...
 
2012-12-04 02:01:28 PM  
Lawsuit also testifies to the fact that there are FOUR lights.
 
2012-12-04 02:02:30 PM  

deadsanta: OtherLittleGuy: Hopefully, she'll get a huge settlement.

Then she can use the money to go here.

This is worcester we're talking about, one of the brokest, run-down cities in the area, she'll be lucky to get anything.


As much as everyone likes to hate it, I spent half my life there and it is hundreds of times nicer than just about any major 'city' in the south.

/I'm looking at you, Jacksonville
//And Tallahassee
///And whatever passes for cities in AL, MS, etc.
 
2012-12-04 02:15:39 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Rule number 1: Do not talk to the police without your lawyer present.

Rule number 2: Once your lawyer arrives, do not talk to the police.


This, this, this, and THIS.
 
2012-12-04 02:19:56 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Rules for police interaction.

Don't talk to the police.
If you're innocent, don't talk to them.
...


I take it you used to work for Penn State Football?

Assistant Coach: "I just saw Sandusky raping a child in the shower. Should we tell the police?"
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "No, of course not. Don't talk to the police."
 
2012-12-04 02:34:27 PM  

draypresct: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Rules for police interaction.

Don't talk to the police.
If you're innocent, don't talk to them.
...

I take it you used to work for Penn State Football?

Assistant Coach: "I just saw Sandusky raping a child in the shower. Should we tell the police?"
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "No, of course not. Don't talk to the police."


thebreakthrough.org
 
2012-12-04 02:46:17 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: Yeah, I heard some of this on the radio this morning. Not a good way to wake up. On the one hand I thought it was kind of sick that the video was released so now anyone can watch the detectives put this girl through the ringer, but on the other hand, a good, outraged public outcry is probably for the best.


I heard this story the first time about a year and a half ago on NPR. I was just sitting in front of my apartment building after having parked and listened to it for several minutes. It was awful. I just sat there unable to imagine how this could fly at all. This was when she was still in jail and it was a group doing a media campaign to get her released.
 
2012-12-04 02:48:24 PM  

ghostwind: OtherLittleGuy: Hopefully, she'll get a huge settlement.

Then she can use the money to go here.

Heh... I see what you did there... Brilliant!


*bows* You're the only person I see who read the second sentence.
 
2012-12-04 03:01:51 PM  
They wouldn't have charged her if she didn't do it. You supporters of our infanticide culture make me sick. WHY DO YOU HATE TEH CHILDREN?!?
 
2012-12-04 03:19:57 PM  

deadsanta: OtherLittleGuy: Hopefully, she'll get a huge settlement.

Then she can use the money to go here.

This is worcester we're talking about, one of the brokest, run-down cities in the area, she'll be lucky to get anything.


Yeah, I went to college there. The immediately surrounding area wasn't horrible but one block further away was a ghetto. Even across from the middle school. I'm looking at you, West Street.
 
2012-12-04 03:25:07 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: And it's for crap like this that you should never, ever consent to talk to the police without a lawyer in the room.


Am I under arrest?
if NO, then walk away
if YES, "please do not talk to me unless my lawyer is here", repeat until lawyer is present
 
2012-12-04 03:32:10 PM  

namatad: Some 'Splainin' To Do: And it's for crap like this that you should never, ever consent to talk to the police without a lawyer in the room.

Am I under arrest?
if NO, then walk away
if YES, "please do not talk to me unless my lawyer is here", repeat until lawyer is present

charged with resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, obstruction of justice, farting in the general direction of a police officer, etc. 

FTFY.
 
2012-12-04 03:32:52 PM  

Karac: Rik01: A few years back, a young Asian woman's child vanished. It made the news and eventually she appeared on the Nancy Grace (?) show, where the host went from interviewing her on her loss to accusing her of murdering her child and hiding the body.

Basically, she browbeat her to tears on the air. The woman left the show and shortly after, blew her brains out. Nancy Grace promptly claimed she had nothing to do with it, hinted that the woman's actions were proof of her guilt and firmly denied any responsibility.

Of course, to my knowledge, the missing kid was never found. Actually, the media seemed to drop the ball on the whole thing shortly after, especially since they had also started accusing the young woman of murder. The cops had apparently gone from treating her as a victim to the only suspect.

I wonder if the kid was ever found? I wonder if the deceased woman was ever exonerated?

Mother of missing child who committed suicide after being interviewd by Nancy Grace? You're going to have to be a bit more specific since it happened twice.


I think she only actually interviewed one of them. The other one she simply did a report on and dubbed the "vodka mom" while yelling the DA should have been filing murder charges instead of manslaughter charges (she had been drunk and sleeping with her 3 week old who was smothered and died). That woman actually set herself on fire.
 
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2012-12-04 04:25:54 PM  
The Jami Turman Fan Club: And the conclusion the cops will come to? Always lose the tape of a confession.

They used to do that. Then the Massachusetts supreme court said jurors had to be instructed to be suspicious of alleged confessions that were not recorded.
 
2012-12-04 04:28:19 PM  
Justification #5,464,786 of why i farking HAAAAAATE all cops.

Yes. ALL cops. Every cop has done shiat like this at some point in his/her career.
 
2012-12-04 04:32:37 PM  

manimal2878: iheartscotch: had98c: iheartscotch: False statements aren't what bothers me; she either wasn't properly explained her rights or she didn't understand her rights. She probably didn't know or understand that she could leave if she wasn't under arrest.

Understanding your rights is meaningless if you don't exercise them anyway. A lot of people even if they know their rights will still stick around to cooperate or think they can talk their way out of it, or are just plain too scared to exercise their rights. After all, the cops are our friends right? The problem isn't explaining/understanding your rights, the problem is the cops/detectives that are allowed to lie, threaten, bully, or intimidate their way to any convenient confession they can get so they can get a pat on the back, a job well done, and move on to the next one.

I agree, you have to exercise your rights. I'm wondering how they got away with questioning a 16 year-old without a parent present. Maybe that differs state to state.

Lying or obfuscating is a legitimate tactic to a point; the officer can promise that you'll be tried as a child all he or she wants, that doesn't bind the prosecutor. But, I agree; badgering a young girl for hours is over the line.

We should amend the law, instead of reading your Miranda rights, we should just make it so that police cannot interrogate you without a lawyer present. Sure it might make it harder to arrest certain people, but on the other hand, the police would have to do their job, which is be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person did something wrong.


But remember, doing the same thing is a crime if the suspect does it.
 
2012-12-04 05:32:33 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: draypresct: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Rules for police interaction.

Don't talk to the police.
If you're innocent, don't talk to them.
...

I take it you used to work for Penn State Football?

Assistant Coach: "I just saw Sandusky raping a child in the shower. Should we tell the police?"
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "No, of course not. Don't talk to the police."

[thebreakthrough.org image 237x213]


I believe your post was all about not talking to the police. Unless you're under arrest, your advice is to just "walk out of the police station", whether you're guilty or innocent. Did I misinterpret your post in some way?

Do you think there are some circumstances where you should talk to the police . . . maybe even without consulting a lawyer first? 'Cause that's not really what you wrote.
 
2012-12-04 05:34:57 PM  
If there is any justice in the world, she'll own half of the city by the time this is settled.
 
2012-12-04 06:00:05 PM  

draypresct: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: draypresct: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Rules for police interaction.

Don't talk to the police.
If you're innocent, don't talk to them.
...

I take it you used to work for Penn State Football?

Assistant Coach: "I just saw Sandusky raping a child in the shower. Should we tell the police?"
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "No, of course not. Don't talk to the police."

[thebreakthrough.org image 237x213]

I believe your post was all about not talking to the police. Unless you're under arrest, your advice is to just "walk out of the police station", whether you're guilty or innocent. Did I misinterpret your post in some way?

Do you think there are some circumstances where you should talk to the police . . . maybe even without consulting a lawyer first? 'Cause that's not really what you wrote.


Never a circumstance where you should talk to the cops. Never.

You are forgetting: a cop's job isnt to "keep the peace.". Their job is to gather enough evidence to put you in jail for a crime...real or imagined.

They are "law enforcement" not "peace keepers". The problem is that many many many times, they bend the same laws they are attempting to enforce in order to put SOMEONE, whether actually guilty or not, behind bars for some crime...real or made up out of thin air.
 
2012-12-04 06:09:30 PM  

draypresct: Do you think there are some circumstances where you should talk to the police . . . maybe even without consulting a lawyer first? 'Cause that's not really what you wrote.


If a serious crime has been committed, there are plenty of ways to alert the police without filing an official report or otherwise identifying yourself as a potential suspect.

Even if you're the victim of a serious crime where you must file a police report, you still have the right to have a lawyer present.
 
2012-12-04 06:28:55 PM  

fappomatic: I work with law enforcement every day. The older officers are concerned with public service & safety, the younger officers are often ex-military who've seen combat. Not that their experiences make them bad people. But, when you have bad cops with combat experience, nothing good can come from it. This was an observation made by a friend of mine who retired a couple years ago. He couldn't stand the attitude shift.


A friend of mine is a counselor for the VA, and she gets tons of combat vets with PTSD who want to be cops now that they're out of the Army. They say things like, "I'm a door-kicker and a killer. What else would I do as a civilian?" She absolutely does NOT put these types into cop school, but finds them different, more appropriate gigs instead. Unfortunately, she can only catch the ones who bother to get counseling...
 
2012-12-05 10:58:47 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Never a circumstance where you should talk to the cops. Never.


Let me guess - you handle employee orientation at Penn State? Or the Catholic Church?

the ha ha guy: draypresct: Do you think there are some circumstances where you should talk to the police . . . maybe even without consulting a lawyer first? 'Cause that's not really what you wrote.

If a serious crime has been committed, there are plenty of ways to alert the police without filing an official report or otherwise identifying yourself as a potential suspect.

Even if you're the victim of a serious crime where you must file a police report, you still have the right to have a lawyer present.


I don't really have a problem with having a lawyer present, if you're not dealing with a time-sensitive situation. Given the choice between letting a murderer get away and calling a lawyer, I'll call the police first and talk to them (even without a lawyer).

I'm guessing it's easier to actually convict the guy if you're willing to testify.
 
2012-12-05 02:02:48 PM  

draypresct: I don't really have a problem with having a lawyer present, if you're not dealing with a time-sensitive situation. Given the choice between letting a murderer get away and calling a lawyer, I'll call the police first and talk to them (even without a lawyer).


A 911 operator is not a police officer. They cannot detain you without arresting you (thus denying your miranda rights), they cannot hold you indefinitely without charge, they cannot charge you with resisting arrest if you walk away, they cannot demand to search your house/car, etc. They are, as the name implies, telephone operators, with all the legal authority of any other civilian telephone operator.

As for your murder example, by the time the police are ready to take an official statement, you will have had plenty of time to consult a lawyer. And even if you haven't spoken to a lawyer yet, that extra five minutes will have virtually zero bearing on the escape and/or conviction of the murderer.
 
2012-12-05 03:47:10 PM  

highendmighty: Lawsuit also testifies to the fact that there are FOUR lights.


If that's the case, why do you see five?
 
2012-12-05 04:34:49 PM  

the ha ha guy: draypresct: I don't really have a problem with having a lawyer present, if you're not dealing with a time-sensitive situation. Given the choice between letting a murderer get away and calling a lawyer, I'll call the police first and talk to them (even without a lawyer).

A 911 operator is not a police officer. They cannot detain you without arresting you (thus denying your miranda rights), they cannot hold you indefinitely without charge, they cannot charge you with resisting arrest if you walk away, they cannot demand to search your house/car, etc. They are, as the name implies, telephone operators, with all the legal authority of any other civilian telephone operator.

As for your murder example, by the time the police are ready to take an official statement, you will have had plenty of time to consult a lawyer. And even if you haven't spoken to a lawyer yet, that extra five minutes will have virtually zero bearing on the escape and/or conviction of the murderer.


I could come up with a several hypothetical scenarios where talking to the police (not just a 911 operator) immediately would make a difference in terms of catching a murderer or saving lives, but I see your point.

At least you're not saying that I should never talk to the police.
 
2012-12-05 06:03:46 PM  

whither_apophis: Once you shift your thinking about what the "justice system" is all about, all these cases make sense. Is it to catch criminals? No, the system is designed to close cases, full stop. Catching the right person is nice, but if they can make a case against the guy down the street bingo! Why else would prosecutors fight DNA tests, the case is closed, why muck it up?


Well, if they guy wasn't a hardened criminal before we sent him to maximum security prison, he for damn sure is now, so why let him out and risk it?

/The current status of the for-profit prison industry is sick, but that's the way it always has been here
//Chain gangs that built the US highways during the Depression weren't all guilty, either
 
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