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(Yahoo)   NASA's earthshaking Mars discovery is finding Han Solo frozen in carbonite. Well, actually, just carbon   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 79
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2012-12-04 11:21:43 AM  
Since Carbon is present in the entire universe well into the hundreds of parts per million, I would have been more surprised if they didn't find any.
 
2012-12-04 12:08:42 PM  
Cabron would be more interesting.
 
2012-12-04 12:09:10 PM  
NASA's earthshaking Mars discovery is finding Han Solo frozen in carbonite. Well, actually, just carbon

They found Han Solo frozen in carbon? That is big news.
 
2012-12-04 12:09:18 PM  
It's a squatch.
 
2012-12-04 12:09:35 PM  
Now nasa can carbon date mars.

I winder what age it will be?
 
2012-12-04 12:09:40 PM  

TheOther: Cabron would be more interesting.


www.hrwiki.org
 
2012-12-04 12:10:30 PM  
FTFA: Even with carbon and water, life needs other chemicals, such as sulfur, oxygen, phosphorous and nitrogen, to form and evolve.

Statements like this irk me. Would it be too much to ask for "life as we understand it needs other chemicals..."?
 
2012-12-04 12:11:16 PM  
This is a shiatty headline and article, some careful reading is required to get any value out of it. They found carbon COMPOUNDS, specifically organic ones. They're not inherently indicative of life, but they are a requirement for life to exist which means it's one more item that Mars has which would allow for life to exist there.
 
PJ-
2012-12-04 12:13:39 PM  

occamswrist: Now nasa can carbon date mars.

I winder what age it will be?


About 6000 years old give or take.
 
2012-12-04 12:15:17 PM  

dittybopper: NASA's earthshaking Mars discovery is finding Han Solo frozen in carbonite. Well, actually, just carbon

They found Han Solo frozen in carbon? That is big news.


Came here to say this. Thank you.
 
2012-12-04 12:15:29 PM  
zs1.smbc-comics.com
 
2012-12-04 12:16:54 PM  
so even martians had reply-to-all? no wonder their world turned to dust.
 
2012-12-04 12:17:30 PM  

That Reilly Monster: FTFA: Even with carbon and water, life needs other chemicals, such as sulfur, oxygen, phosphorous and nitrogen, to form and evolve.

Statements like this irk me. Would it be too much to ask for "life as we understand it needs other chemicals..."?


Bothered me as well. Should have read "Even with carbon and water, life on Earth needs yaddayaddayadda".

Silicone based life-forms frown on this reporters shenanigans.

img829.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-04 12:17:31 PM  
I'm glad NASA is being so guarded about this. Too bad the press isn't. NASA has been stung a couple of times by contamination brought with the spacecraft from earth, so they are being very cautious about what they have actually "found".
 
2012-12-04 12:18:35 PM  
"It's not unexpected that this sand pile would not be rich in organics. It's been exposed to the harsh Martian environment," added planetary scientist Paul Mahaffy

Let's not add any more not unnecessary negatives to this not uninformative sentence.
 
2012-12-04 12:21:54 PM  

Maktaka: This is a shiatty headline and article, some careful reading is required to get any value out of it. They found carbon COMPOUNDS, specifically organic ones. They're not inherently indicative of life, but they are a requirement for life to exist which means it's one more item that Mars has which would allow for life to exist there.


They found "hints of carbon". Mars also has a woody aftertaste with the slightest suggestion of carbon dioxide. However, Curiosity has a very technically correct but unsophisticated palate.
 
2012-12-04 12:22:05 PM  
Did they find out where Han's vest disappeared to, then re-appeared from, just before he was frozen?

/go watch TESB closely....
 
2012-12-04 12:22:34 PM  
Carbon. Simply a mind numbing discovery. And at a cost of only $20 billion, such a better investment than the Obama stimulus funds.
 
2012-12-04 12:23:38 PM  

tricycleracer: TheOther: Cabron would be more interesting.

[www.hrwiki.org image 720x470]


"Umm.. you just keep doing your thing, man."
 
2012-12-04 12:25:05 PM  

Skyd1v: That Reilly Monster: FTFA: Even with carbon and water, life needs other chemicals, such as sulfur, oxygen, phosphorous and nitrogen, to form and evolve.

Statements like this irk me. Would it be too much to ask for "life as we understand it needs other chemicals..."?

Bothered me as well. Should have read "Even with carbon and water, life on Earth needs yaddayaddayadda".

Silicone based life-forms frown on this reporters shenanigans.

[img829.imageshack.us image 640x480]


"Damn it, Skyd1v, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!"
 
2012-12-04 12:25:21 PM  
Clicks "enlarge image" link. Image doesn't get larger. FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
2012-12-04 12:25:42 PM  
wouldn't you know it, they put ONE SUV on mars, and already theres a carbon problem.

/manbearpig
 
2012-12-04 12:28:12 PM  

Jubeebee: "It's not unexpected that this sand pile would not be rich in organics. It's been exposed to the harsh Martian environment," added planetary scientist Paul Mahaffy


What kind of name is Mahaffy? Ma- Ma- wait. Is this a martian name?

0.tqn.com
 
2012-12-04 12:28:46 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-04 12:30:01 PM  
So they found traces of carbon on Mars? Meh...I guess NASA never heard of carbonaceous chondrites, eh?
 
2012-12-04 12:30:13 PM  

Biness: wouldn't you know it, they put ONE SUV on mars, and already theres a carbon problem.

/manbearpig


WINNAH!

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-04 12:31:46 PM  
I'd be surprised if they *DIDN'T* find carbon. It's one of the most common elements, and the atmosphere itself is 95% carbon dioxide.
 
2012-12-04 12:36:22 PM  
Carbon is the fourth most common element in the milky way. Congratulations, you've discovered dirt!

Quick shut off the rover it's causing carbon emissions. Now we've ruined Mars too damn it.
 
2012-12-04 12:37:32 PM  
4th most common element in the universe.
Atmosphere mostly CO2
Nearest planet loaded with carbon

Truly shocking finding!
 
2012-12-04 12:37:55 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Did they find out where Han's vest disappeared to, then re-appeared from, just before he was frozen?

/go watch TESB closely....


He started taking it off when Leia was coming on to him. Then she brought up the whole "love" thing and ruined the mood, so he got dressed. Duh.
 
2012-12-04 12:38:00 PM  

PJ-: occamswrist: Now nasa can carbon date mars.

I winder what age it will be?

About 6000 years old give or take.


I think a little less since Mars is smaller than Earth and hasn't had time to put on that extra weight.
 
2012-12-04 12:38:18 PM  
img3.findthebest.com
 
2012-12-04 12:41:36 PM  

Perducci: ObscureNameHere: Did they find out where Han's vest disappeared to, then re-appeared from, just before he was frozen?

/go watch TESB closely....

He started taking it off when Leia was coming on to him. Then she brought up the whole "love" thing and ruined the mood, so he got dressed. Duh.


Nice...
Of course, if THAT was the mood he was going for, I am now not sure how to interpret the fact he told Chewie to 'look after her'.
 
2012-12-04 12:42:31 PM  
OH you silly scientists. Always wanting to go stick your dicks in the sand somewhere and call it life.

/how is mars babby formed?
 
2012-12-04 12:43:55 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Did they find out where Han's vest disappeared to, then re-appeared from, just before he was frozen?

/go watch TESB closely....


Lando took it, tried it on, then gave it back.
 
2012-12-04 12:44:09 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net

Can we convert it into a rod?
 
2012-12-04 12:45:00 PM  
Just wait until the Martians living in their home soil realise that the rovers were built by ugly bags of mostly water.
 
2012-12-04 12:46:40 PM  

mutterfark: Just wait until the Martians living in their home soil realise that the rovers were built by ugly bags of mostly water.


your mom built the rover? thats awesome.
 
2012-12-04 12:47:06 PM  

Proteios1: Carbon. Simply a mind numbing discovery. And at a cost of only $20 billion, such a better investment than the Obama stimulus funds.


I'll bite. There is no better use of profits than exploration. Humanity will always be beset by its own fallacies and therefore spending too much on social problems is a much larger waste of funds than discovering new knowledge and territory to infect with our selves.
 
2012-12-04 12:47:15 PM  

mutterfark: Just wait until the Martians living in their home soil realise that the rovers were built by ugly bags of mostly water.


i bet the martians feel like a big bag of sand
 
2012-12-04 12:58:23 PM  
Well, actually they found more than organic carbon. Some of the other elements which are necessary to Earth life, such as sulfur, were also found. The real interesting data should come from the mountain where rocks of different ages are exposed. We won't see that data for some time.

If you were an alien looking for life on Earth you would note the presence of liquid water and be hopeful. You would note the large amount of free Nitrogen and Oxygen, both of which are sufficiently reactive to be doomed to be locked up in soil and rocks unless replenished constantly and you would be optimistic. Living organisms keep our atmosphere composition in the highly improbable state of being composed of about 20% Oxygen and over 70% Nitrogen. If we spotted a similar atmosphere we would be confident that it is a world like our own.

Traces of CO2 would be intriguing to alien scientists. That is a fairly stable gas but it would seem odd that there is so little of it, but just the right amount to keep water liquid. Mars and Venus have atmospheres are are 98% or more CO2, one very thick and hot, one very thin and cool. Earth has a fine regulatory system that keeps things improbable and lively. It is life itself.

Methane would neither confirm life nor disprove it, but methane can be a sign of life. And of course, the man-made greenhouse gases would be a dead giveaway that the planet is inhabited by morans who haven't learn to work within the system rather than against it.

Mars has methane although it is not known whether the source is biological or geological. It is leaking out of the ground in some interesting places where life would be likely on, say, Antarctica.

The surface of Mars is rich in perchlorates. This is not a good sign, but it is not impossible that bacteria can use perchlorates to survive under harsh conditions or produce them as waste.

Life on Mars, if it was ever there and if it survives, is most likely underground, in the vicinity of volcanic vents and possibly mud volcanoes, liquid water below the surface, or possibly in the ice caps. It'll take some time to locate, but by looking at a variety of rock strata scientists should form a clearer geological picture of the history of Mars over the last four billion years, during which life very slowly evolved. About three billion years of that time life consisted of microbes.

Most of the work of evolution went into building cells and learning to control genetic information and gene expression so you get accurate transmission of information but not TOO accurate transmission, which would mean excessive conservatism and lack of innovation and adaptation. Once you have cells, you can stick them together into all sorts of interesting shapes like little computerized Lego bricks with tiny minds of their own. You can even build brains, although this is highly improbable and possibly counter-productive.

Like walking, evolution is a sort of controlled falling on your face.
 
2012-12-04 12:59:00 PM  

occamswrist: Now nasa can carbon date mars.

I winder what age it will be?


[Morbo]CARBON DATING DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY[/Morbo]
 
2012-12-04 12:59:48 PM  
did they find an interesting rock formation?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 01:08:13 PM  
Go search for better articles. Carbon compounds were found.

I'm not breaking out the champagne over it, but it's more interesting than elemental carbon.

Also, Viking found these too but were dismissed as contamination, mostly because they had no way of knowing whether they came from earth or not. Later missions to mars would be better controlled to reduce this potential contamination.
 
2012-12-04 01:14:02 PM  

Skyd1v: That Reilly Monster: FTFA: Even with carbon and water, life needs other chemicals, such as sulfur, oxygen, phosphorous and nitrogen, to form and evolve.

Statements like this irk me. Would it be too much to ask for "life as we understand it needs other chemicals..."?

Bothered me as well. Should have read "Even with carbon and water, life on Earth needs yaddayaddayadda".

Silicone based life-forms frown on this reporters shenanigans.

[img829.imageshack.us image 640x480]


Silicone:
upload.wikimedia.org

Silicone:
upload.wikimedia.org

Silicon:
upload.wikimedia.org

Silicon:
upload.wikimedia.org

See the difference? Are we clear now? What life forms are we talking about, exactly?

/pet peeve
 
2012-12-04 01:18:15 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Did they find out where Han's vest disappeared to, then re-appeared from, just before he was frozen?

/go watch TESB closely....


That'll have to be fixed in the next release so show it shows that what really happened is that Han devested first.
 
2012-12-04 01:19:53 PM  

washington-babylon: Skyd1v:
See the difference? Are we clear now? What life forms are we talking about, exactly?

/pet peeve


Frankly, I would prefer the "Happy Fun-time Enhancing" Silicone life forms over the "Smashy, Burny" Silicon ones, but that's just me.
 
2012-12-04 01:20:01 PM  

brantgoose: Well, actually they found more than organic carbon. Some of the other elements which are necessary to Earth life, such as sulfur, were also found. The real interesting data should come from the mountain where rocks of different ages are exposed. We won't see that data for some time.

If you were an alien looking for life on Earth you would note the presence of liquid water and be hopeful. You would note the large amount of free Nitrogen and Oxygen, both of which are sufficiently reactive to be doomed to be locked up in soil and rocks unless replenished constantly and you would be optimistic. Living organisms keep our atmosphere composition in the highly improbable state of being composed of about 20% Oxygen and over 70% Nitrogen. If we spotted a similar atmosphere we would be confident that it is a world like our own.

Traces of CO2 would be intriguing to alien scientists. That is a fairly stable gas but it would seem odd that there is so little of it, but just the right amount to keep water liquid. Mars and Venus have atmospheres are are 98% or more CO2, one very thick and hot, one very thin and cool. Earth has a fine regulatory system that keeps things improbable and lively. It is life itself.

Methane would neither confirm life nor disprove it, but methane can be a sign of life. And of course, the man-made greenhouse gases would be a dead giveaway that the planet is inhabited by morans who haven't learn to work within the system rather than against it.

Mars has methane although it is not known whether the source is biological or geological. It is leaking out of the ground in some interesting places where life would be likely on, say, Antarctica.

The surface of Mars is rich in perchlorates. This is not a good sign, but it is not impossible that bacteria can use perchlorates to survive under harsh conditions or produce them as waste.

Life on Mars, if it was ever there and if it survives, is most likely underground, in the vicinity of volcanic vents and possibly ...



My gut feeling is that simple life was once widespread on Mars, and likely still exists in habitable pockets. But nasa is right to take a very conservative viewpoint and build a solid case. It just takes so long because we get to send one probe at a time every few years, and then build new probes based on what they discover.
 
2012-12-04 01:20:19 PM  

ChipNASA: [img3.findthebest.com image 257x207]


"Your life is on your computer"? That's their tag line? Only someone whose life is on their computer would write a tag line like that.
 
2012-12-04 01:22:00 PM  

Proteios1: Carbon. Simply a mind numbing discovery. And at a cost of only $20 billion, such a better investment than the Obama stimulus funds.


So are you one of those dunce heads that things that we just put a pallete of 20 billion dollars onto a rocket and shot it up into the atmosphere. I mean, it's not like that 20 billion of dollars was spend on people's paychecks and such, for contracors and sub contractors. It's not like any of that money was actually spend on EARTH or anything like that.
 
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