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2012-12-04 08:15:14 AM  
On Nov. 6, as President Barack Obama won a narrow but clear victory over Mitt Romney

Narrow but clear. How liberal media of them.
 
2012-12-04 08:20:49 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: On Nov. 6, as President Barack Obama won a narrow but clear victory over Mitt Romney

Narrow but clear. How liberal media of them.


It may have been lopsided electorally and decisive by the popular vote but the corporate media and Republican talking heads told us it was close right up until election night. That means it was a narrow victory because Obama only won at the last second.
 
2012-12-04 08:23:22 AM  
You guys should totally go down that path!!!!
 
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2012-12-04 08:27:46 AM  
Sounds Marxist.
 
2012-12-04 08:29:40 AM  
Pictured: GOP Loyalists going on the religious offensive.

www.theblogmocracy.com

/Onward Christian Soldiers.
 
2012-12-04 08:31:41 AM  
You can do eet!
 
2012-12-04 08:40:53 AM  
It worked well for the muslims on 9/11.


/too soon?
 
2012-12-04 08:48:38 AM  
Please attack. The charge of the fully charged scooter squadron.
 
2012-12-04 08:54:11 AM  
american taliban.
 
2012-12-04 08:56:31 AM  
"It is true that gay rights activists have stolen that language of 'family' we've used successfully, and now use it for their purposes."

That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.
 
2012-12-04 09:04:10 AM  

kid_icarus: That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.


"Family", "Liberty", "American", "Freedom"... any of those words in the name of an organization make me question the sincerity of the cause.
 
2012-12-04 09:06:18 AM  
"If you fight science, you are going to lose your children," Robertson said

That statement doesn't sit right with me. 'Fight' science? Is it something that needs to be fought?
 
2012-12-04 09:07:34 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: kid_icarus: That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

"Family", "Liberty", "American", "Freedom"... any of those words in the name of an organization make me question the sincerity of the cause.


So I guess I shouldn't tell you about the new organization I'm in, American Families for Freedom and Liberty (AFFL)?
 
2012-12-04 09:10:28 AM  

Cythraul: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: kid_icarus: That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

"Family", "Liberty", "American", "Freedom"... any of those words in the name of an organization make me question the sincerity of the cause.

So I guess I shouldn't tell you about the new organization I'm in, American Families for Freedom and Liberty (AFFL)?


I can only assume that it's a conglomeration of Nazis, Oil Concerns, Religious Fundamentalists, and Gray Aliens.
 
2012-12-04 09:13:02 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Cythraul: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: kid_icarus: That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

"Family", "Liberty", "American", "Freedom"... any of those words in the name of an organization make me question the sincerity of the cause.

So I guess I shouldn't tell you about the new organization I'm in, American Families for Freedom and Liberty (AFFL)?

I can only assume that it's a conglomeration of Nazis, Oil Concerns, Religious Fundamentalists, and Gray Aliens.


And Birthers and 2nd amendment nuts. But not the aliens thing. That's just a bit too crazy.
 
2012-12-04 09:13:05 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I can only assume that it's a conglomeration of Nazis, Oil Concerns, Religious Fundamentalists, and Gray Aliens.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 09:14:29 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I can only assume that it's a conglomeration of Nazis, Oil Concerns, Religious Fundamentalists, and Gray Aliens.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


Oh, and the American Egg Council.
 
2012-12-04 09:15:08 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Oh dear.
 
2012-12-04 09:22:09 AM  
What no one expected was the rebuke from televangelist and longtime Christian conservative leader Pat Robertson, dismissing theories of a "young Earth."

"If you fight science, you are going to lose your children," Robertson said last week during an appearance on the Christian Broadcast Network, the television empire he founded three decades ago.



Pat Robertson: Unlikely voice of reason
 
2012-12-04 09:26:03 AM  

kid_icarus: "It is true that gay rights activists have stolen that language of 'family' we've used successfully, and now use it for their purposes."

That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.


"Family" in the name of any group is practically synonymous with "anti-gay bigots."
 
2012-12-04 09:26:05 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: kid_icarus: That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

"Family", "Liberty", "American", "Freedom"... any of those words in the name of an organization make me question the sincerity of the cause.


Yep.

Go focus on your own hate filled racist family, leave America alone.

These punks can be counted on to project outward anything they themselves are overly worried about in themselves: being gay, raping women, forcing raped women to have the baby, praying in schools. The black guy in the white house, IS HE EVEN A CITIZEN? Everything they get their pants in a twist over, it is SOCIETY's fault and not their own.

Its a remarkable thing human beings who are repressed and self-loathing do.
 
2012-12-04 09:32:40 AM  
"Young evangelicals don't look at the country as a battlefield, but rather a mission field," says James Wilcox, a George Mason University political science professor. "They're are less scared than their forbearers: They see the 'War on Religion' narrative as nonsense; they see churches thriving, the outlets they have, and the extent of religious pluralism in this country."

The new generation sees community activism, rather than electoral politics, as the means for their faith to shape the world, Wilcox argues. They may disagree with liberals about same-sex marriage, but they also believe that states have the right to determine such policies.


I could live with this.
 
2012-12-04 09:41:57 AM  

Weaver95: "Young evangelicals don't look at the country as a battlefield, but rather a mission field," says James Wilcox, a George Mason University political science professor. "They're are less scared than their forbearers: They see the 'War on Religion' narrative as nonsense; they see churches thriving, the outlets they have, and the extent of religious pluralism in this country."

The new generation sees community activism, rather than electoral politics, as the means for their faith to shape the world, Wilcox argues. They may disagree with liberals about same-sex marriage, but they also believe that states have the right to determine such policies.

I could live with this.


Except .. States Rights is code word for "local racists outlawing minority rights."

From the liberal left coast I judge this: BZZZT.
 
2012-12-04 09:42:49 AM  
Don't retreat, reload!
 
2012-12-04 09:45:46 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: kid_icarus: That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

"Family", "Liberty", "American", "Freedom"... any of those words in the name of an organization make me question the sincerity of the cause.


You forgot "Patriot."

That word is maybe now the most disgusting and abused identifier in American English spoken today.
 
2012-12-04 09:45:47 AM  

Generation_D:

Except .. States Rights is code word for "local racists outlawing minority rights."

From the liberal left coast I judge this: BZZZT.


i'm sure that's what it means for some of Republicans. But state's rights also means approval of gay marriage and legalization of cannabis. it also means 'safe harbor' provisions for file trading, plus a whole host of opportunities to re-engineer your local environment to suit yourself more than it does the agenda of a national party organization in D.C.
 
2012-12-04 09:51:38 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: kid_icarus: That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

"Family", "Liberty", "American", "Freedom"... any of those words in the name of an organization make me question the sincerity of the cause.

You forgot "Patriot."

That word is maybe now the most disgusting and abused identifier in American English spoken today.


Came here to say this.
 
2012-12-04 09:51:38 AM  

kid_icarus: "It is true that gay rights activists have stolen that language of 'family' we've used successfully, and now use it for their purposes."

That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.


Funny, I've found that gay/lesbian families do a much better job of living up to the so called family values these groups espouse than "traditional" families.
 
2012-12-04 10:01:20 AM  

Cythraul: "If you fight science, you are going to lose your children," Robertson said

That statement doesn't sit right with me. 'Fight' science? Is it something that needs to be fought?


In the minds of the types that want to ban the teaching of sex-ed or evolution in schools, you bet'cher ass it is.

And Robertson has an excellent point - how many of us that were raised religious began our journey to "less religious" because of lies, half-truths or things that your own observations told you were counter to religious teachings? (My ownself, it started when "men of god" were absolute pricks, and continued when religion had me believing things that couldn't be true, or couldn't be "holy"/"godly". Of course, I got a lot of positives from my religious background too, so I still keep respect for believers and beliefs.)

// right up until, like anyone else, they give me reason to lose it
// like the types that won't/can't live and let live, and the types that can't read, let alone understand or support, an actual, published, scholarly, scientific study
 
2012-12-04 10:03:52 AM  

Weaver95: Generation_D:

Except .. States Rights is code word for "local racists outlawing minority rights."

From the liberal left coast I judge this: BZZZT.

i'm sure that's what it means for some of Republicans. But state's rights also means approval of gay marriage and legalization of cannabis. it also means 'safe harbor' provisions for file trading, plus a whole host of opportunities to re-engineer your local environment to suit yourself more than it does the agenda of a national party organization in D.C.


I've said this already out loud -- living in Washington State, the argument for the DEA backing off of our pot law is going to be let the states do what they want. Which works out great for pot smoking in Wa State ... and not so great in Mississippi for womens clinics....
 
2012-12-04 10:08:31 AM  

Sybarite: unchurched


Ugh. That's almost as bad as "unamerican", with twice the condescension.
 
2012-12-04 10:10:10 AM  

Weaver95: "Young evangelicals don't look at the country as a battlefield, but rather a mission field," says James Wilcox, a George Mason University political science professor. "They're are less scared than their forbearers: They see the 'War on Religion' narrative as nonsense; they see churches thriving, the outlets they have, and the extent of religious pluralism in this country."

The new generation sees community activism, rather than electoral politics, as the means for their faith to shape the world, Wilcox argues. They may disagree with liberals about same-sex marriage, but they also believe that states have the right to determine such policies.

I could live with this.


States Rights sounds great unless you are a woman, a minority or live downwind.
 
2012-12-04 10:10:34 AM  

Sybarite: The new and expanding group of unchurched voters overwhelmingly support same sex-marriage and legal abortion

That adjective is a new one to me. A GIS turns up some interesting results.

[www.graceground.com image 369x377]

[www.churchleaders.com image 331x221]

[www.churchleaders.com image 331x221]


Is it weird that I kinda want to read those last 2? Have you? (Are they chock-full o' derp?)
 
2012-12-04 10:12:45 AM  

Generation_D:
I've said this already out loud -- living in Washington State, the argument for the DEA backing off of our pot law is going to be let the states do what they want. Which works out great for pot smoking in Wa State ... and not so great in Mississippi for womens clinics....


that's ok, because you could just travel out of state for that sort of thing.
 
2012-12-04 10:16:40 AM  
Gosh, one might think that the Big Tent might be inclusive...

Here's the thing: if folks want to draw in folks for their faith, then they need to be examples. Examples of the best qualities if their faith. Compassionate. Generous. Loving. Open. Forgiving. Focus on your own families, and strive to be the examples that will bring folks to you. That means less strident shrilling about what OTHER people are doing with their lives, and instead maybe take care of your own kids. Raise them well. Instead of complaining bitterly about sex ed in the schools, maybe raise your kids to NOT become teen pregnancy statistics. Instead of pointing fingers at the "Godlessness!" of others, maybe focus on NOT cheating on your own spouses. Maybe, just maybe, instead of talking about the "entitlement society" folks might want to focus on extending a hand through their own charitable organizations, and maybe less on flashy photo ops and fund raisers that don't actually send on money to the troops or poor families.

The social Conservatives want to "rebrand" themselves, then they need to do exactly that. Focus on what matters and BE the example that folks can point to, who will say, "Yeah, these folks do a lot of good and care for their families." You know, as opposed to voicing concern on how other folks celebrate their holidays and who folks include in their families.

The Religious Right has chosen to be a voice of obstinate unreason and shrill condemnation, and oddly enough, that does turn off some folks. Even folks of faith. I'm a theist. Not a Christian, but a Buddhist, and the constant War On Christmas or War on Religion or War on the Family does not make me want to ally with these folks. Why? Because they don't appear to have read their own religious texts terribly closely. Because they seem to have lost the message of that King of Kings, who wanted folks to love one another and open their hearts.

Folks of faith in this country can and do work together. There are several interfaith organizations that unite purposes to fulfill the articles of their faith with others in the spirit of cooperation, even in spite of differences. It isn't a war to recognize that there are many paths that folks take, and that while you may not agree with one another on that path, you can recognize that the destinations are similar, or at least in a familiar direction.

I LIKE to talk to folks of faith. Not necessarily my own, but when folks can come together, and work towards a common goal, despite their differences, that is a good thing. It used to be that the Republican party recognized this. Heck, even founded upon it. What we have seen is a narrowing of interest and a shoving out of ideological heretics, and that hasn't made the party stronger, just under the direction of a strident few who have come to the fore, and who now people think represent the party in all things. The problem being, that these folks are often the most petty, dickish, selfish, and idiotic and happen to shout the loudest with their ill formed opinion, and who want all others to conform to those narrow and oft, as of late, malformed views that distort the promise of this nation, and want to wave the flag and Bible to hide the underlying hypocrisy of their message of divisiveness and selfishness.

It isn't their faith that is repellent. I know many good Christians and Jews, who have nothing but compassion and love in their hearts, who are warm and giving. It isn't the faith that repels folks, it's what you do with it, and what you do in its name. Actions. Actions count. And when your actions are to try to demonize folks who differ from you, who only want the same things you want, families, better care for their loved ones, better education for their children, then you have strayed far from the path.

Return to the Big Tent. Return to working for the common good. For the good of the republic, and you will draw folks back, but right now? Right now, folks are looking to divide and subdivide and keep the party "pure" and it is only driving folks from your midst.
 
2012-12-04 10:24:24 AM  

doyner: What no one expected was the rebuke from televangelist and longtime Christian conservative leader Pat Robertson, dismissing theories of a "young Earth."

"If you fight science, you are going to lose your children," Robertson said last week during an appearance on the Christian Broadcast Network, the television empire he founded three decades ago.


Pat Robertson: Unlikely voice of reason


It's not 'reason' when he argues to stop fighting science only for the sake of not losing your children.
Aligned outcome for all the wrong reasons.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:04 AM  

hubiestubert: Gosh, one might think that the Big Tent might be inclusive...

Here's the thing: if folks want to draw in folks for their faith, then they need to be examples. Examples of the best qualities if their faith. Compassionate. Generous. Loving. Open. Forgiving. Focus on your own families, and strive to be the examples that will bring folks to you. That means less strident shrilling about what OTHER people are doing with their lives, and instead maybe take care of your own kids. Raise them well. Instead of complaining bitterly about sex ed in the schools, maybe raise your kids to NOT become teen pregnancy statistics. Instead of pointing fingers at the "Godlessness!" of others, maybe focus on NOT cheating on your own spouses. Maybe, just maybe, instead of talking about the "entitlement society" folks might want to focus on extending a hand through their own charitable organizations, and maybe less on flashy photo ops and fund raisers that don't actually send on money to the troops or poor families........ ...


/Your Newsletter, etc.
 
2012-12-04 10:33:44 AM  

impaler: kid_icarus: "It is true that gay rights activists have stolen that language of 'family' we've used successfully, and now use it for their purposes."

That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

"Family" in the name of any group is practically synonymous with "anti-gay bigots."


Yup. I know I post this in every thread where this topic is concerned, but oh well...

i76.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-04 10:43:38 AM  

Cythraul: And Birthers and 2nd amendment nuts. But not the aliens thing. That's just a bit too crazy.


So agrees everyone from the "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" crew.

Have an Ark that melts Nazis, rocks that provide prosperity (get all five to rule the world), and a cup that provides everlasting life and you're sweet.

Ya just can't go full Alien.
 
2012-12-04 10:47:24 AM  

Tahs4Evar: Cythraul: And Birthers and 2nd amendment nuts. But not the aliens thing. That's just a bit too crazy.

So agrees everyone from the "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" crew.

Have an Ark that melts Nazis, rocks that provide prosperity (get all five to rule the world), and a cup that provides everlasting life and you're sweet.

Ya just can't go full Alien.


Well no, man...that would be crazy!
i76.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-04 10:51:59 AM  

Tahs4Evar: Cythraul: And Birthers and 2nd amendment nuts. But not the aliens thing. That's just a bit too crazy.

So agrees everyone from the "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" crew.

Have an Ark that melts Nazis, rocks that provide prosperity (get all five to rule the world), and a cup that provides everlasting life and you're sweet.

Ya just can't go full Alien.


Time travel and aliens - two guaranteed ways to screw up a movie.

// new Star Trek and both BTTF movies are the exceptions
 
2012-12-04 11:33:49 AM  

impaler: kid_icarus: "It is true that gay rights activists have stolen that language of 'family' we've used successfully, and now use it for their purposes."

That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

"Family" in the name of any group is practically synonymous with "anti-gay bigots."



Not always.

i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-04 11:40:37 AM  

kid_icarus: "It is true that gay rights activists have stolen that language of 'family' we've used successfully, and now use it for their purposes."

That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.


Actually, the Republican use of the word "family" is the most traditional and accurate. The term originally applied to all the property a Roman citizen owned. All the children, women and slaves that were his property which he could legally rape, kill or trade.

It is the Liberals that have co-opted the term and twisted into the idea of a lovey-dovey group or people who look after each other.
 
2012-12-04 11:44:36 AM  

sammyk: kid_icarus: "It is true that gay rights activists have stolen that language of 'family' we've used successfully, and now use it for their purposes."

That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

Funny, I've found that gay/lesbian families do a much better job of living up to the so called family values these groups espouse than "traditional" families.


I find it is unnecessary to generalize either way.
 
2012-12-04 11:48:31 AM  

mrshowrules: sammyk: kid_icarus: "It is true that gay rights activists have stolen that language of 'family' we've used successfully, and now use it for their purposes."

That's funny, cause I would say you people are more the ones who have hijacked the word 'family' to the point that it almost evokes a negative reaction.

Funny, I've found that gay/lesbian families do a much better job of living up to the so called family values these groups espouse than "traditional" families.

I find it is unnecessary to generalize either way.


Good point and thank you. The people I am talking about are very near and dear to me and they deserve better.
 
2012-12-04 11:52:02 AM  
Nationalism and patriotism isn't enough to rebuild a country from the ashes. You also need to blame the Jews.
 
2012-12-04 11:55:08 AM  

Cythraul: "If you fight science, you are going to lose your children," Robertson said

That statement doesn't sit right with me. 'Fight' science? Is it something that needs to be fought?


Science is the study of the natural world, i.e. reality. In this sense, the GOP has been fighting science for a long time.
 
2012-12-04 11:55:10 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: On Nov. 6, as President Barack Obama won a narrow but clear victory over Mitt Romney

Narrow but clear. How liberal media of them.



It was a landsqueaker.
 
2012-12-04 11:58:02 AM  
Religion is a large part of what got them into their current quagmire.
 
2012-12-04 11:58:18 AM  
Sounds like a great idea. Keep narrowing that base and the GOP will be about as relevant as the Green Party
 
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