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2012-12-04 08:14:20 AM  
Obama and the Democrats have:
4.bp.blogspot.com

Republicans have:
www.dreamstime.com
 
2012-12-04 08:26:01 AM  
If every single Washington Post editorialist was shot twice in the head, we might actually begin to see some small improvements in what has become a wretched, festering, maggoty heap of a once-great paper. That, and burn at the stake everybody involved in their website redesign. And their entire marketing department. And whoever dreamed up that "Post Points" idiocy a few years back gets the Indiana Jones fridge treatment, but with the door open.
 
2012-12-04 08:30:03 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-04 08:36:18 AM  
FTFA:Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and 32 other Senate Democrats signed a letter declaring, "We will oppose including Social Security cuts for future or current beneficiaries in any deficit reduction package." Not in a year-end package, mind you, but in any package.

Why would anyone think that cutting SS benefits would have anything to do with deficit reduction? This journalist writer blogger doesn't seem very well informed honest bright.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 08:48:53 AM  
First, their ability to blame the GOP depends on their ability to convince Americans that Republican intransigence is to blame for any failure to reach a year-end deal.

Oh yeah, that'll be hard all right.
 
2012-12-04 08:51:16 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If every single Washington Post editorialist was shot twice in the head, we might actually begin to see some small improvements in what has become a wretched, festering, maggoty heap of a once-great paper. That, and burn at the stake everybody involved in their website redesign. And their entire marketing department. And whoever dreamed up that "Post Points" idiocy a few years back gets the Indiana Jones fridge treatment, but with the door open.



Style Editor Henry Allen punched the wrong guy.
 
2012-12-04 08:59:23 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If every single Washington Post editorialist was shot twice in the head, we might actually begin to see some small improvements in what has become a wretched, festering, maggoty heap of a once-great paper. That, and burn at the stake everybody involved in their website redesign. And their entire marketing department. And whoever dreamed up that "Post Points" idiocy a few years back gets the Indiana Jones fridge treatment, but with the door open.


They had some great moments but were never consistently great.
 
2012-12-04 09:01:43 AM  
Derp. I said, "Derp!"
 
2012-12-04 09:12:33 AM  
Tell me more about exit polls, Marc. You've shown such a gift at interpreting them in the not so distant past. Link
 
2012-12-04 09:13:00 AM  
Wait, you mean there's more to the derp at this paper now than Rubin?

Disappointing.

Guess I can write them off permanently as a source of information, and throw them on the pile with the WSJ of once-great, even if I didn't agree all the time, papers.

Sad.
 
2012-12-04 09:17:59 AM  
And yet the "Fiscal Cliff" was all thanks to the GOP House in 2011:

That's a contrast from the House, where of the 190 Democrats voting on the debt-ceiling bill Monday, 95 voted "yes" and 95 voted "no" - a 50-50 split. Among the 240 House Republicans, 174 voted "yes" while 66 voted "no" - meaning that 73 percent of all House Republicans backed the measure.

If the Democrats are "overplaying" their hand it's because they know they have pocket aces and the Republicans have a joker and a potato of clubs.
 
2012-12-04 09:38:03 AM  
This is a major miscalculation. First, their ability to blame the GOP depends on their ability to convince Americans that Republican intransigence is to blame for any failure to reach a year-end deal.

did you pay ANY attention to the recent election results....like, at all?
 
2012-12-04 09:45:31 AM  

Weaver95: This is a major miscalculation. First, their ability to blame the GOP depends on their ability to convince Americans that Republican intransigence is to blame for any failure to reach a year-end deal.

did you pay ANY attention to the recent election results....like, at all?


Well, I could possibly agree that blame will be had by all. If scorched earth is Republican policy, they might be banking on Obama not being able to make his case well enough to the American people, who suddenly are going to be staring at mortgage deductions being messed up. I would intellectually know its Republicans, but I'd also wonder why this guy with an election win under his belt couldnt make the case to the public well enough to prevent it from happening.
 
2012-12-04 09:52:00 AM  

Generation_D:
Well, I could possibly agree that blame will be had by all. If scorched earth is Republican policy, they might be banking on Obama not being able to make his case well enough to the American people, who suddenly are going to be staring at mortgage deductions being messed up. I would intellectually know its Republicans, but I'd also wonder why this guy with an election win under his belt couldnt make the case to the public well enough to prevent it from happening.


if the GOP takes a scorched earth path to dealing with this issue, the country is going to know it. And given how badly the GOP was rejected in the last election cycle, doing more of the same things that got them an ass beating probably isn't the smartest move they could make. But hey, what do I know right? I'm just a guy on the intertubes. maybe the smart money in the GOP are right - keep right on doing the same things over and over and over again. because maybe THIS time things will be different!

meanwhile, the rest of the country is gonna just not vote Republican anymore.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:41 AM  

Weaver95: Generation_D:
Well, I could possibly agree that blame will be had by all. If scorched earth is Republican policy, they might be banking on Obama not being able to make his case well enough to the American people, who suddenly are going to be staring at mortgage deductions being messed up. I would intellectually know its Republicans, but I'd also wonder why this guy with an election win under his belt couldnt make the case to the public well enough to prevent it from happening.

if the GOP takes a scorched earth path to dealing with this issue, the country is going to know it. And given how badly the GOP was rejected in the last election cycle, doing more of the same things that got them an ass beating probably isn't the smartest move they could make. But hey, what do I know right? I'm just a guy on the intertubes. maybe the smart money in the GOP are right - keep right on doing the same things over and over and over again. because maybe THIS time things will be different!

meanwhile, the rest of the country is gonna just not vote Republican anymore.


I'm not disagreeing with your opinion of it. I'm thinking that there's still plenty of derp left in the ammo belt to go around, and if you heard Nordquist yesterday you know he's already reloading.

I think we're stuck with the remaining ones for another two years, quite honestly. And it'll only change if every Republican out there hears it loud and clear from home.

The unrealistic expectation many voters are going to have is they voted for people to FIX IT, and now it won't be getting fixed.
 
2012-12-04 09:56:55 AM  
Nordquist issued a fatwah on the world announcing Tea Party II, Electric Derpaloo.

In other words, that dead end 27% isnt going to stop screaming.
 
2012-12-04 09:57:56 AM  

Lansydyr: Obama and the Democrats have:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 695x749]

Republicans have:
[www.dreamstime.com image 400x266]


That's slightly incorrect. The Republicans have a Jack and a deuce.
 
2012-12-04 09:58:20 AM  
d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2012-12-04 10:02:30 AM  

Generation_D:
I'm not disagreeing with your opinion of it. I'm thinking that there's still plenty of derp left in the ammo belt to go around, and if you heard Nordquist yesterday you know he's already reloading.


yeah, I know. I think there's a good chance the GOP is going to dig in their heels and end up hurting themselves even more than they did with Romney's campaign. even though I disagree with the Republicans and think they're gonna end up destroying themselves, its still sad to see them implode like this. they used to be better people. logical, not derptastic idiots.

*sigh*

if that's the path they've chosen, then so be it. I'll be here till the end, so that they won't die alone.
 
2012-12-04 10:05:32 AM  
Marc Thiessen? The guy who wrote the "unofficial bible of torture apologists"? Yes, let's hear what he has to say.
 
2012-12-04 10:07:37 AM  

Weaver95: Generation_D:
I'm not disagreeing with your opinion of it. I'm thinking that there's still plenty of derp left in the ammo belt to go around, and if you heard Nordquist yesterday you know he's already reloading.

yeah, I know. I think there's a good chance the GOP is going to dig in their heels and end up hurting themselves even more than they did with Romney's campaign. even though I disagree with the Republicans and think they're gonna end up destroying themselves, its still sad to see them implode like this. they used to be better people. logical, not derptastic idiots.

*sigh*

if that's the path they've chosen, then so be it. I'll be here till the end, so that they won't die alone.


As a life long Democratic voter (I identify "Independent," but these days that usually means the Dems) .. Come to the Dark Side .. we have cookies.
 
2012-12-04 10:07:50 AM  

Lansydyr: Obama and the Democrats have:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 695x749]

Republicans have:
[www.dreamstime.com image 400x266]


Republicans' hand:

www.picturenation.co.uk
 
2012-12-04 10:08:06 AM  
is it possible that 0bama was TOO elected to president?

you decide
 
2012-12-04 10:08:57 AM  

MorrisBird: Derp. I said, "Derp!"


"Hey! I didn't get a Derp outta that guy!"

/Cuz they have to protect their phony baloney jobs.
 
2012-12-04 10:10:12 AM  

sprawl15: is it possible that 0bama was TOO elected to president?

you decide


How many votes is enough? He's just running up the score now. It's poor leadership, that's what it is.
 
2012-12-04 10:11:16 AM  
Damn, I was going to say George Will wrote this. Wonder how old George is holding up.
 
2012-12-04 10:12:35 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If every single Washington Post editorialist right-wing authoritarian was shot twice in the head, we might actually begin to see some small improvements in what has become a wretched, festering, maggoty heap of a once-great paper country.

 
2012-12-04 10:12:44 AM  

Lansydyr: Obama and the Democrats have:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 695x749]

Republicans have:
[www.dreamstime.com image 400x266]


That would explain it though -- when you have a hand like a low straight, you'd still think that odds are, it's better than what the other guy had. Then you go all in and lose everything.
 
2012-12-04 10:13:16 AM  
Mr. Thiessen, are you sure you're even in the right country? Shouldn't you be building an illegal house in Jerusalem right now?
 
2012-12-04 10:13:28 AM  

Arkanaut: Lansydyr: Obama and the Democrats have:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 695x749]

Republicans have:
[www.dreamstime.com image 400x266]

That would explain it though -- when you have a hand like a low straight, you'd still think that odds are, it's better than what the other guy had. Then you go all in and lose everything.


Also, I just realized that I can't math.
 
2012-12-04 10:14:14 AM  
How can the Washington Post be saying that the Dems are "overplaying their hand" when the WP's own polling data shows that Americans will blame the GOP congress more than Obama by almost a 2-to-1 margin? Frankly, the GOP needs to look at the polling data and realize what the American people wanted in the last election. They can't keep pretending that the only Americans who matter are the ones who most recently voted Republican.
 
2012-12-04 10:14:40 AM  
It's cute. It's like he can;'t figure out how the news cycles work.

Most people still think there were WMD's in Iraq. And most will think that we went over the Fiscal Cliff, no matter what happens, as the result of the Republicans willing to raise taxes on the rich which are at historic lows.

You take the bad with the good and with that you get President Hillary in 2016.
 
2012-12-04 10:14:50 AM  

Arkanaut: Lansydyr: Obama and the Democrats have:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 695x749]

Republicans have:
[www.dreamstime.com image 400x266]

That would explain it though -- when you have a hand like a low straight, you'd still think that odds are, it's better than what the other guy had. Then you go all in and lose everything.


And then it's hilarious when you realize you've miscounted, and actually have the worst hand possible.
 
2012-12-04 10:15:47 AM  
The Founding Fathers surely overplayed their hand after winning the Revolutionary War. What a bunch of catchfarts.
 
2012-12-04 10:16:10 AM  
He is absolutely right when he says Obama's big risk in allowing us to go off the fiscal cliff is serious damage to the economy and another recession. That, as he says, would leave Obama in a position where he could accomplish little if anything his second term.

But he has the better poker hand. So suck it. Right?
 
2012-12-04 10:17:12 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-04 10:17:12 AM  
Marc A. Thiessen, a fellow with the American Enterprise Institute, writes a weekly online column for The Post.

I am curious as to what qualifications an individual needs to become a a fellow with the American Enterprise Institute. How deep must the failure be?
 
2012-12-04 10:18:24 AM  

Cletus C.: He is absolutely right when he says Obama's big risk in allowing us to go off the fiscal cliff is serious damage to the economy and another recession. That, as he says, would leave Obama in a position where he could accomplish little if anything his second term.

But he has the better poker hand. So suck it. Right?


Yes, because everybody with any sense listens to rabid right-wingers when it comes to economics.
 
2012-12-04 10:18:46 AM  
Yeah, and if Romney had won the presidency the chattering classes would be demanding he cave to the Democrats in the Senate.

Sure.
 
2012-12-04 10:19:01 AM  

qorkfiend: sprawl15: is it possible that 0bama was TOO elected to president?

you decide

How many votes is enough? He's just running up the score now. It's poor leadership, that's what it is.


at least the globetrotters had the class to shake hands with the white boys they played against
 
2012-12-04 10:19:06 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If every single Washington Post editorialist was shot twice in the head, we might actually begin to see some small improvements in what has become a wretched, festering, maggoty heap of a once-great paper. That, and burn at the stake everybody involved in their website redesign. And their entire marketing department. And whoever dreamed up that "Post Points" idiocy a few years back gets the Indiana Jones fridge treatment, but with the door open.


The Post has consistently been willing to toss conservatives a few columns in their print edition, but largely their coverage has been pretty liberal despite that nod to "equal time". But once they got a website, it's like they were desperate for content and page clicks. They put up all kinds of tools without hardly any concern for the quality of thought. Even the level of discourse has fallen. (And reading the comments will often melt your brain.)

Too bad.

/Still not a conservative paper by any stretch
 
2012-12-04 10:19:08 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: How can the Washington Post be saying that the Dems are "overplaying their hand" when the WP's own polling data shows that Americans will blame the GOP congress more than Obama by almost a 2-to-1 margin? Frankly, the GOP needs to look at the polling data and realize what the American people wanted in the last election. They can't keep pretending that the only Americans who matter are the ones who most recently voted Republican.


Ah yes, the article from three threads down: Link

To be fair, this guy is a contributing op-ed writer, and not part of the WaPo editorial staff. That said, I'm sure he wishes he took a look at the advance copies of that story.
 
2012-12-04 10:19:22 AM  

Generation_D: Nordquist issued a fatwah on the world announcing Tea Party II,


I doubt it'll have the legs that Tea Party v1.0 had. Obama is and will continue to propose middle class tax cuts. That should undermine Nordquist's efforts to get popular support to stop Obama's tax plans. The Taxed Enough Already Party will be in the position of fighting tax cuts. I think the cognitive dissonance should be enough to reduce the success of any grass roots efforts.
 
2012-12-04 10:19:22 AM  

Generation_D: Wait, you mean there's more to the derp at this paper now than Rubin?

Disappointing.

Guess I can write them off permanently as a source of information, and throw them on the pile with the WSJ of once-great, even if I didn't agree all the time, papers.

Sad.


WaPo has tended toward the derp side on its op-ed page for years, but its actual reporters are pretty good. This is the exact opposite of the NYT.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:28 AM  
God. I was listening to some 'critics' (and I use the term loosely) talk about Obama's strategy. I can't quote word for word, but one of the 'critics' said, "See, as a two-term president, he doesn't have many points of strength. He doesn't have anything to negotiate with."

I almost stopped the car so I could run out into traffic.

WHAT?!?!? WHAT THE FLIPPING FARK?!?!!

It got even better than that though. He then went on to say, "
 
2012-12-04 10:20:36 AM  
I just don't get it. the GOP lost, and lost badly. why are they doubling down on the insanity? it makes no sense to push this issue when they're dealing from a weakened position. Unless they see themselves in what Sun Tzu called 'death ground'. Then their desperate attacks start to make sense. of course, that rather implies that the GOP elites understand just how outgunned they are...
 
2012-12-04 10:20:40 AM  
98% of what the GOP wanted is what put us here. Given the fact that the GOP reneged on their 2% part of their deal (cutting DoD budget) they can fark off. The GOP will fark over the country to protect the greedy minority.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:50 AM  

doyner: And yet the "Fiscal Cliff" was all thanks to the GOP House in 2011:

That's a contrast from the House, where of the 190 Democrats voting on the debt-ceiling bill Monday, 95 voted "yes" and 95 voted "no" - a 50-50 split. Among the 240 House Republicans, 174 voted "yes" while 66 voted "no" - meaning that 73 percent of all House Republicans backed the measure.

If the Democrats are "overplaying" their hand it's because they know they have pocket aces and the Republicans have a joker and a potato of clubs.


"'Rules for Draw & Stud Poker'?! You're supposed to take those OUT of the deck!"
"What a pity, Mr. Bond Boehner."
 
2012-12-04 10:21:14 AM  
Obama and the Democrats are the white pieces in this picture:

upload.wikimedia.org

Republicans are the white pieces in this picture:

cdn1.screenrant.com
 
2012-12-04 10:21:34 AM  

Muta: Generation_D: Nordquist issued a fatwah on the world announcing Tea Party II,

I doubt it'll have the legs that Tea Party v1.0 had. Obama is and will continue to propose middle class tax cuts. That should undermine Nordquist's efforts to get popular support to stop Obama's tax plans. The Taxed Enough Already Party will be in the position of fighting tax cuts. I think the cognitive dissonance should be enough to reduce the success of any grass roots efforts.


tea party 2.0 is only a threat to the GOP. Obama has nothing to fear from such a threat.
 
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