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(Washington Post)   Poll: If an agreement on the fiscal cliff is not reached, 53% will blame GOP Congress while 27% will blame Obama   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 161
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2012-12-04 08:28:57 AM  
You'd think the GOP would have learned their lesson on this when they did it back in the Clinton era, and it backfired on them.

Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:00 AM  
There always seems to be a core group of around 25-30% of Americans who will support the GOP and hate whatever the Democrats say, no matter what. I first noticed it at the end of Bush Jrs 2nd term where I think opinion polls had him around 30% approval, and when polls like this come out there's always that core group of around 30% that favour what the GOP says.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:03 AM  

BronyMedic: You'd think the GOP would have learned their lesson on this when they did it back in the Clinton era, and it backfired on them.

Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it.


And yet they keep wamtimg to cut education spending.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:55 AM  
Wanting
 
2012-12-04 08:49:24 AM  

Slaxl: There always seems to be a core group of around 25-30% of Americans who will support the GOP and hate whatever the Democrats say, no matter what.


That's always been true, as well as its inverse: 25-30% of the population will support the Dems no matter what.

BronyMedic: You'd think the GOP would have learned their lesson on this when they did it back in the Clinton era, and it backfired on them.


True, but in this case it's worse. There's a significant part of the GOP doesn't seem to understand that pursuing obstructionist positions consume political capital. They spent all of theirs during the first four years of the Obama administration.

If they don't pull their collective head our of their ass, they could conceivably lose the majority the mid-term election. Which would be a major display of incompetence.
 
2012-12-04 09:13:56 AM  
Plenty of blame to go around, it seems.
 
2012-12-04 09:21:34 AM  
That's like blaming the Roadrunner when the Coyote's Giant Acme Trampoline Trap fails spectacularly.
 
2012-12-04 09:27:54 AM  
Not much hope for the bottom of the bell curve Republicans, we will always have them.
 
2012-12-04 09:28:46 AM  

Babwa Wawa: That's always been true, as well as its inverse: 25-30% of the population will support the Dems no matter what.


The theory has never been put to the test because you have never had a democratic President as incompetent and such a failure as Bush. I suggest that less than 10% of Liberals would have stuck with a Democratic President who was that big of a failure.
 
2012-12-04 09:37:27 AM  
I suspect Congress can't get any lower than it already is. Their job for 2 yrs has been to drag Obama down with them, and while it hasn't been working at the polls I strongly suspect they have no other gameplan in mind still.
 
2012-12-04 09:42:24 AM  

Slaxl: There always seems to be a core group of around 25-30% of Americans who will support the GOP and hate whatever the Democrats say, no matter what. I first noticed it at the end of Bush Jrs 2nd term where I think opinion polls had him around 30% approval, and when polls like this come out there's always that core group of around 30% that favour what the GOP says.


The Crazification Factor
 
2012-12-04 09:42:26 AM  
The GOP were out manuvered while they were busy passing penis-goes-where-rape legislation and attempting to get people to believe that Obama was a devil. Now they are in a position of allowing tax increases on the highest incomes or allowing tax increases on everyone while we fark up the nations credit in order to protect the incomes of the highest earners.

Fark you GOP, this is what you get for embracing anti-intellectual Tea Baggers and Bible Pounders. Please don't take the rest of us down with your failed ideologies.
 
2012-12-04 09:43:07 AM  

BronyMedic: You'd think the GOP would have learned their lesson on this when they did it back in the Clinton era, and it backfired on them.

Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it.


It seems the lesson they learned was that they didn't shut everything down hard enough.
 
2012-12-04 09:46:20 AM  

Disposable Rob: Slaxl: There always seems to be a core group of around 25-30% of Americans who will support the GOP and hate whatever the Democrats say, no matter what. I first noticed it at the end of Bush Jrs 2nd term where I think opinion polls had him around 30% approval, and when polls like this come out there's always that core group of around 30% that favour what the GOP says.

The Crazification Factor


www.properlychastised.com
 
2012-12-04 09:46:33 AM  

BronyMedic: You'd think the GOP would have learned their lesson on this when they did it back in the Clinton era, and it backfired on them.

Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it.


They hadn't learned that mistake when they threatened the shutdown last year (2 years ago?). They just don't realize that "the people" tend to view legislative gamesmanship like this as childish, and view the party that offers compromise (as Democrats are doing, their demand for higher rates at the top notwithstanding) as a beleaguered teacher trying to gain control of a rowdy classroom. Besides the fact that more and more people are waking up to smell what the GOP has left on their stove for the last 30 years, and this is more of the same.

Or liberal media homosexual agenda Benghazi our grandchildren's debt seekrit soshalist cut spending taxes are too damn high also deregulation and guns unions welfare state freebies put god back in schools. Could be that.

// and, of course, the squirrels
 
2012-12-04 09:46:34 AM  
And that's different how?

Obama will never be blamed for anything be does. So until then the GOP should keep proposing solutions that will work even though we all know the Dems will ultimately get their way and the GOP will get the blame when Dem plans fail.
 
2012-12-04 09:46:34 AM  
That's only a little bit more than that weirdly consistent 20%
 
2012-12-04 09:47:03 AM  
I wish the writer would look up affect and effect.

The automatic cuts and increases will affect the economy. It will be a major effect.

The public reaction to this will effect a change in Congressional balance of power, which will give Republicans a negative affect.
 
2012-12-04 09:47:48 AM  

Mrbogey: And that's different how?

Obama will never be blamed for anything be does. So until then the GOP should keep proposing solutions that will work even though we all know the Dems will ultimately get their way and the GOP will get the blame when Dem plans fail.


Live from Bizzaro World, it's Mrbogey!
 
2012-12-04 09:48:14 AM  
And 27% will blame Obama for tornadoes and hurricanes.
 
2012-12-04 09:48:16 AM  
27% would blame Obama no matter what, and an equal number would likewise blame the GOP. These numbers would indicate that more of the rational middle would fault the Republicans or both parties equally.

Obama can politically afford to let us go over the cliff rather than accept a deal he find less than satisfactory. The sooner the Republicans realize this, the better it will be for everyone.
 
2012-12-04 09:48:59 AM  
Great. Now that Obama knows 53 percent will blame Republicans it's a good thing if the economy goes in the shiater .
 
2012-12-04 09:49:18 AM  
southpawbeagle.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-04 09:50:21 AM  
That has a lot to do with the GOP refusing to fight their pr battles in the regular media instead of just retreating back to the bizzaro right wing media that nobody really pays attention to but the republican base. They didn't learn anything from their "surprising" Romney drubbing either.
 
2012-12-04 09:50:22 AM  
It's funny how this 53/47 split keeps coming up.
 
2012-12-04 09:50:49 AM  
Attn GOP:

When some of your voters will blame Obama for anything after the last four years of conservative media, you farked up.
 
2012-12-04 09:51:15 AM  

Mrbogey: Obama will never be blamed for anything be does.


Nonsense. He even named his biggest accomplishment Obamacare. The arrogance, amirite?
 
2012-12-04 09:52:25 AM  

Cletus C.: Great. Now that Obama knows 53 percent will blame Republicans it's a good thing if the economy goes in the shiater .


First, if we go over the cliff, the economy will be fine. The markets will dip for a week or two while everyone panics, then everyone will look around and go "Oh, we're all still here" then the markets will pop back up and we'll keep trucking along. Second, yes, Obama is willing to let sequestration go into place. The sooner the GOP realizes that and that they actually have to compromise for the first time in five years, the sooner a deal will be reached. I figure it will happen at the last minute or after the cliff and put in place retroactively.
 
2012-12-04 09:53:11 AM  
Let's try this.

Benghazi.

Oh, and moderators are you out there? I think people are going to be mean to me.
 
2012-12-04 09:53:24 AM  
www.orangejuiceblog.com

Republicans are idiots who never learn.
 
2012-12-04 09:53:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy:
southpawbeagle.files.wordpress.com
"Hey obama, here's our no tax rate increase counter-offer"


didyouseethatone.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-04 09:54:08 AM  

Carn: The sooner the GOP realizes that and that they actually have to compromise for the first time in five years, the sooner a deal will be reached.


That realization is starting to happen. Link
 
2012-12-04 09:55:15 AM  
Poll: If an agreement on the fiscal cliff is not reached, 53%...

...and rightly so. This is a problem entirely of the GOP's making.

They are willing to make life more difficult for all Americans rather than raise rates slightly on the wealthiest Americans or make any cuts to Defense spending.

The GOP is an "insurgent outlier" and there's no point in compromising with them at this point. They've made it clear from day one, they will not give this president anything and will obstruct him at every step. What sane person would continue to work with people like that? The GOP have made it abundantly clear where their loyalties lie, and it's not with the middle or working classes or the poor.

The Administration offered their hand to the GOP many times in the first term and the GOP bit it out of spite.

The only thing the GOP should be getting now is swat across the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:52 AM  
Blaming the GOP for sticking to their signed tax pledge? You should be proud that their are still some politicians who are willing to keep their promises.
 
2012-12-04 09:56:09 AM  

BronyMedic: You'd think the GOP would have learned their lesson on this when they did it back in the Clinton era, and it backfired on them.

Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it.


Repeating the mistakes of history is what conservatism is all about.
 
2012-12-04 09:56:32 AM  

Mrbogey: Obama will never be blamed for anything be does. So until then the GOP should keep proposing solutions that will work even though we all know the Dems will ultimately get their way and the GOP will get the blame when Dem plans fail.


www.onepennysheet.com
 
2012-12-04 09:56:50 AM  
I don't see any reason we can't blame both Congress and Obama.
 
2012-12-04 09:58:02 AM  

CreamFilling: I don't see any reason we can't blame both Congress and Obama.


According to the poll, 12% will.
 
2012-12-04 09:58:17 AM  

Mrbogey: And that's different how?

Obama will never be blamed for anything be does. So until then the GOP should keep proposing solutions that will work even though we all know the Dems will ultimately get their way and the GOP will get the blame when Dem plans fail.


Oh look, It's Mrbogey, taking his head out of his ass to spew some more verbal diarrhea around the thread.

Seriously, that's the best you can come up with? I expect Drew is going to cut your pay for trolling unless you get better.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:01 AM  

bmongar: BronyMedic: You'd think the GOP would have learned their lesson on this when they did it back in the Clinton era, and it backfired on them.

Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it.

Repeating the mistakes of history is what conservatism is all about.


To be fair making new mistakes is what progressiveness is all about.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:10 AM  

sprawl15: Let's try this.

Benghazi.

Oh, and moderators are you out there? I think people are going to be mean to me.


www.stardock.com
Nope.
Sorry.
Didn't stick. Why you try that Fast &...oh, never mind...
 
2012-12-04 09:59:27 AM  
Is there a point where GOP obstructionism crosses the line into them acting as a Domestic Enemy of the USA?

ALL enemies, foreign and domestic, that's how the oath reads.

I really don't see and moral or ethical problems with putting one through Grover Norquist's head. Or Hannity's.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:28 AM  

SilentStrider: BronyMedic: You'd think the GOP would have learned their lesson on this when they did it back in the Clinton era, and it backfired on them.

Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it.

And yet they keep wamtimg to cut education spending.


I was going to say how elegant that post was until you corrected yourself right after...
 
2012-12-04 09:59:29 AM  
Lessee.... the budget originates from the House.
The GOP controls the House.
Yep, I can see how they would get blamed for farking this up. Again.
 
2012-12-04 10:01:11 AM  

mrshowrules: The theory has never been put to the test because you have never had a democratic President as incompetent and such a failure as Bush. I suggest that less than 10% of Liberals would have stuck with a Democratic President who was that big of a failure.


Oh sure it has. Even Carter got 41% of the popular vote in 1980.
 
2012-12-04 10:01:17 AM  

sprawl15: Let's try this.

Benghazi.

Oh, and moderators are you out there? I think people are going to be mean to me.


I lol'd.

Fark Cons, always the victim.
 
2012-12-04 10:01:29 AM  

LarryDan43: Blaming the GOP for sticking to their signed tax pledge? You should be proud that their are still some politicians who are willing to keep their promises.


Many of these politicians voted for a war which they put on a credit card. That's like promising your wife never to lie to her, so you tell every time you fark a prostitute.
 
2012-12-04 10:02:07 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: Mrbogey: And that's different how?

Obama will never be blamed for anything be does. So until then the GOP should keep proposing solutions that will work even though we all know the Dems will ultimately get their way and the GOP will get the blame when Dem plans fail.

Oh look, It's Mrbogey, taking his head out of his ass to spew some more verbal diarrhea around the thread.

Seriously, that's the best you can come up with? I expect Drew is going to cut your pay for trolling unless you get better.


Nice personal attack. Got anything substantive? No, of course not.
 
2012-12-04 10:03:17 AM  

Babwa Wawa: mrshowrules: The theory has never been put to the test because you have never had a democratic President as incompetent and such a failure as Bush. I suggest that less than 10% of Liberals would have stuck with a Democratic President who was that big of a failure.

Oh sure it has. Even Carter got 41% of the popular vote in 1980.


Carter was not a terrible President. He was a lackluster President.
 
2012-12-04 10:03:46 AM  

NateGrey: Fark Cons, always the victim.


you dum
 
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