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(C|Net)   Police want phone providers to save all texts..for two years..by the way, T- mobile does not save them at all. Verizon? Every damn one you've ever made   (news.cnet.com) divider line 169
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2012-12-04 06:23:09 AM  
....and guess which company is in bed with the FBI, CIA, NSA? Gee, do you suppose there are benefits to that compliance?
 
2012-12-04 07:17:53 AM  
Most of the ADSL internet equipment is now sitting in rooms in phone exchanges that were allocated for recording gear in the middle of the cold war.
 
2012-12-04 08:21:25 AM  
Do people still send texts?
 
2012-12-04 08:31:16 AM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


It's better than trying to communicate via photos of yourself in various poses of nude interpretive dance. Trust me.
 
2012-12-04 09:14:16 AM  

Frederick: ....and guess which company is in bed with the FBI, CIA, NSA? Gee, do you suppose there are benefits to that compliance?


I see my services are not required here.
 
2012-12-04 09:49:18 AM  
Subby: " Verizon? Every damn one you've ever made"
FTFA: "Verizon keeps 'text message content on their servers for 3-5 days.'"

??
 
2012-12-04 10:00:07 AM  

Rincewind53: Subby: " Verizon? Every damn one you've ever made"
FTFA: "Verizon keeps 'text message content on their servers for 3-5 days.'"

??


That only applies to the servers. It doesn't speak to record retention in general.
 
2012-12-04 11:30:37 AM  
uh-oh. now the illuminati knows when and where i'm going to meet my cousin for lunch. it's an italian place. italians are facist. it's a byob place and she's bringing a bottle of wine - the illuminati know our weakness!

this is the end of civilization.
 
2012-12-04 11:30:37 AM  
b ovr in 10min. whtvr.
eabod bgbrthr
 
2012-12-04 11:30:52 AM  
I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.
 
2012-12-04 11:31:28 AM  
Yay T-mobile - also uses the GSM standard so I can swap out my SIM cards when going to Europe ....
 
2012-12-04 11:32:14 AM  
I ♥ T-Mobile.
 
2012-12-04 11:32:47 AM  
If you can save every bit o porn on a hard drive(many, many, prolly) you can certainly preserve a few phone calls.
 
2012-12-04 11:33:27 AM  

de_Selby: Yay T-mobile - also uses the GSM standard so I can swap out my SIM cards when going to Europe ....


Tell us more, Professor!
 
2012-12-04 11:33:34 AM  
Why are we still using SMS anyway? Why haven't US carriers switched to email like in Japan yet?

Oh right, money.
 
2012-12-04 11:34:26 AM  
that's a lot of pictures of my peener.
 
2012-12-04 11:34:28 AM  
The NSA now knows I asked my friend if he "Has a quarter". Stupid police state world. Right after I lose 5 pounds from my butt. I'm going to eat more cheetohs.
 
2012-12-04 11:35:01 AM  

frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.


One of the basic tennants of spookdom is never let the suckers know how much you know.
If you knew how detailed the report was, you would feel targeted.
 
2012-12-04 11:35:19 AM  
HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.


/Carry on
 
2012-12-04 11:35:36 AM  
HAHA The jokes on them! Most of the people I send them to dont want them!!
 
2012-12-04 11:36:57 AM  
You know, it's just like the '70s and '80s when the US Postal Service would keep copies of all letters and stored them so that law enforcement could use them later. Same thing, no big deal.

In other news, people should use encrypted SMS clients (TextSecure). Would I rather trust every cop and every carrier, or trust Moxie? I've made my choice.
 
2012-12-04 11:37:19 AM  

snocone: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

One of the basic tennants of spookdom is never let the suckers know how much you know.
If you knew how detailed the report was, you would feel targeted.


that has nothing to do with anything. all i want is to be able to log into verizon's site and pull the txt logs on a per-phone basis. I pay the bill, I want to see what the hell is going on.
 
2012-12-04 11:37:47 AM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


You must not know any teenagers.
 
2012-12-04 11:38:06 AM  
Awesome! So I can go to Verizon and dig up all my sexts?
 
2012-12-04 11:38:52 AM  
(boom goes the profile)
 
PJ-
2012-12-04 11:38:54 AM  
My question is, how do they handle disposable cell phones that have either no name attached to it or a fake one attached to it?
 
2012-12-04 11:38:57 AM  

dj_spanmaster: Awesome! So I can go to Verizon and dig up all my sexts?



No, YOU can't, but THEY can.
 
2012-12-04 11:39:06 AM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


I am reliably informed that that is the only way people communicate with one another nowadays.
 
2012-12-04 11:40:10 AM  
Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?
 
2012-12-04 11:41:44 AM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


Let me guess. There's some new hip thing that I've probably never heard of? I guess me and every single person I know will just have to wait until that new hip thing goes mainstream. By then, you'll be on to something else. Must be awesome being so advanced.
 
2012-12-04 11:42:03 AM  

Amos Quito: dj_spanmaster: Awesome! So I can go to Verizon and dig up all my sexts?


No, YOU can't, but THEY can.


it'a almost ironic. This would actually be useful for people, but no - instead it's for gov't.
/facepalm
 
2012-12-04 11:44:41 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Pista: Do people still send texts?

I am reliably informed that that is the only way people communicate with one another nowadays.


that is pretty accurate. my first cell that featured texting, i never used the feature. seemed so stupid, why not just call? but then over time and phone upgrades it happened - i realized i was texting FAR more than actual calls were made. Now, I rarely call anyone. i just text.
 
2012-12-04 11:44:44 AM  
The joke is on the CIA/ FBI/ police; I communicate exclusively with captioned pictures of owls with funny looks on their faces.
 
2012-12-04 11:46:08 AM  

Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.


/Carry on


Pigs are greedy. It's their nature.
 
2012-12-04 11:46:16 AM  
www.calwatchdog.com
 
2012-12-04 11:49:08 AM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


Until they add a voice feature to my cell, it's pretty much texts
 
2012-12-04 11:49:56 AM  

frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.


One of the phone companies I was with in the past (dont recall which) kinda did that...you could see if the text was incoming or outgoing, and who it came from/went to. The one im with now (Sprint) simply tells you how many you have used so far this billing period.
 
2012-12-04 11:51:00 AM  

The Southern Logic Company: Why are we still using SMS anyway? Why haven't US carriers switched to email fax machines like in Japan yet?


FTFY
 
2012-12-04 11:51:04 AM  

Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.


/Carry on


Congress has a cell phone service? Weird
 
2012-12-04 11:52:01 AM  

iheartscotch: The joke is on the CIA/ FBI/ police; I communicate exclusively with captioned pictures of owls with funny looks on their faces.


ORLY?
 
2012-12-04 11:52:18 AM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


Well duh, you must not drive or have a commute.
 
2012-12-04 11:52:32 AM  
Time to send the g/f a texty photo care package of my junk. Retain this on your servers!
 
2012-12-04 11:55:38 AM  
Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait
 
2012-12-04 11:56:17 AM  
And that's why I like T-Mobile.
 
2012-12-04 11:56:19 AM  

Bender The Offender: The NSA now knows I asked my friend if he "Has a quarter". Stupid police state world. Right after I lose 5 pounds from my butt. I'm going to eat more cheetohs.


It's funny how, the creep, just keeps happening. Never farking stops.
 
2012-12-04 11:57:27 AM  
Some days I can't wait for CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN.
 
2012-12-04 11:58:13 AM  
Is it illegal to be anonymous yet?
 
2012-12-04 11:59:50 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

One of the phone companies I was with in the past (dont recall which) kinda did that...you could see if the text was incoming or outgoing, and who it came from/went to. The one im with now (Sprint) simply tells you how many you have used so far this billing period.


i can still see that with verizon. I WANT THE TXTS.
 
2012-12-04 12:01:01 PM  

frepnog: snocone: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

One of the basic tennants of spookdom is never let the suckers know how much you know.
If you knew how detailed the report was, you would feel targeted.

that has nothing to do with anything. all i want is to be able to log into verizon's site and pull the txt logs on a per-phone basis. I pay the bill, I want to see what the hell is going on.


Since when does paying the bill entitle you to squat?
Sweet concept though.

A politician is a fellow that will lay down your money/life for his country.
 
2012-12-04 12:02:11 PM  
Is this part of the SOPA thing which was voted down but they are still trying to shove down our throats?

Becoming a police state due to technology.

/really no clue.
 
2012-12-04 12:02:13 PM  
Patriot Act Thread!
 
2012-12-04 12:03:05 PM  

the801: uh-oh. now the illuminati knows when and where i'm going to meet my cousin for lunch. it's an italian place. italians are facist. it's a byob place and she's bringing a bottle of wine - the illuminati know our weakness!

this is the end of civilization.


I'm pretty sure the Illuminati is tired of seeing pictures of semi-erect junk and rambling texts from ex-lovers.
 
2012-12-04 12:03:44 PM  
brb, murdering important public figure
 
2012-12-04 12:04:53 PM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


What world do you live in ?
 
2012-12-04 12:08:46 PM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?



Did they put the Obi Wan Kenobi hologram thing on the iPhone 5?? Shiat, I always miss out on the new technology.
 
2012-12-04 12:11:59 PM  

padraig: Pista: Do people still send texts?

What world do you live in ?


He's desperately trying to sound hip.
 
2012-12-04 12:12:50 PM  

Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait


Right after he closed Gitmo
 
2012-12-04 12:12:55 PM  
I'd be ok with some reasonable retention period, and still require warrants for police to access them. I had a friend who was dealing with a stalker situation, his cell company (tmo) doesn't save texts, fortunately, he still had all the psycho texts and threats in his phone to show the judge at the hearing to make the restraining order permanent.
 
2012-12-04 12:13:54 PM  
Still not as creepy as this part of a notice "about two new programs at Sprint and your privacy choices" that I received in my email. At least they gave me the choice to opt out of the programs.

"Reporting & Analytics Program
Beginning December 1, 2012, Sprint will combine Mobile Usage Information and Consumer Information to prepare business and marketing reports that we may share with others... ...We may also share location information with other companies in a way that does not personally identify you.

Mobile Usage Information:

Categories of websites visited when using our wireless service (e.g., sports sites, music sites)
High-level location information (e.g., general location of cell tower serving your device)
Applications and features used on our network and information about network traffic (e.g., number of users using particular category of applications, such as navigation applications)


Consumer Information:

Information about use of Sprint products and services (such as data and calling use and features, device type, amount of use)
Demographic information provided to us by other companies (e.g., gender, age range)"


Who needs Big Brother? We have Big Business watching us!
 
2012-12-04 12:14:03 PM  

groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo


He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.
 
2012-12-04 12:14:52 PM  
So right now someone is reading the text me and my friend are sending each other abotu how each other needs to get laid and how Im gonna buy her underwear for xmas. Weird country
 
2012-12-04 12:15:25 PM  
A guy I work with is a texting fanatic.. No problem, but he's a terrible speller in the first place, and compounds it by making up new abbreviations. About half the time I end up calling him and asking what the hell that last text was supposed to mean.

Any cops going through his records will give up after trying to figure out what "kthnds cjl9r bdy" means...

(kthnks cul8r buddy)
 
2012-12-04 12:17:21 PM  
I hope Big Brother like pictures of my junk, because I send a lot of those to various phone numbers.
 
2012-12-04 12:19:01 PM  

firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.


14 years imprisonment with out a trial.

Even Stalin had trials.
 
2012-12-04 12:22:28 PM  
As a criminal defense attorney, my take is that this will not affect major criminal enterprises, or even smaller ones like street gangs. They obtain and use prepaid phones, and purchase additional minutes at the local carry-out or gas station.

I represented someone in connection with a murder case, that was ultimately dismissed because law enforcement could only trace texts (setting up the meeting) and phone numbers back to a prepaid phone, which they were never able to locate despite searching my client's person, his car and house. The victim only had nicknames recorded in his phone, so they couldn't even use that information to identify my client. My client was either lucky enough (if he did it) or unlucky (if he didn't) to have a very popular nickname.

The lesson to learn from this is... if you think that someone is going to kill you, make sure you have their full legal name in the contact folder of your phone, so it will register in the call and text logs, and can at least be used as circumstantial evidence. And, if you are going to do something illegal... prepaid is only the way to go.
 
2012-12-04 12:23:08 PM  
Burner phone people.

They are $20 @ Walmart. Pay by cash.
 
2012-12-04 12:24:03 PM  

mcreadyblue: firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.

14 years imprisonment with out a trial.

Even Stalin had trials.


Not for foreigners.

And why no love for AT&T? They're not keeping any, either.
 
2012-12-04 12:24:10 PM  

the801: uh-oh. now the illuminati knows when and where i'm going to meet my cousin for lunch. it's an italian place. italians are facist. it's a byob place and she's bringing a bottle of wine - the illuminati know our weakness!

this is the end of civilization.


We just want to know why your cousin is trying to get you drunk
 
2012-12-04 12:24:40 PM  

iheartscotch: The joke is on the CIA/ FBI/ police; I communicate exclusively with captioned pictures of owls with funny looks on their faces.


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-04 12:24:48 PM  

mcreadyblue: firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.

14 years imprisonment with out a trial.

Even Stalin had trials.


I support trying them, but let's not go on pretending that it's the left that would object to moving these people into the regular criminal trial system from the military tribunal face they have right now. The GOP blocked the move to close Guantanamo, then slammed Obama relentlessly for his failure to do so... I'm tired of this being the way every fight goes... where the right just obstructs all rational courses, then complains about the irrationality of whats left.
 
2012-12-04 12:26:31 PM  
LOL

Not on the side of the police here, but if you send incriminating texts to someone, texts that indicate some kind of criminal behavior, you deserve to be apprehended.

Don't put incriminating shiat in writing. How farking hard is that to understand? Even if the cops don't get access to them, the person you sent them to can save whatever the fark they want.
 
2012-12-04 12:26:58 PM  
Ever expanding capitalist law enforcement. The concept that if you aren't growing somehow then you're failing should not apply to law enforcement. The system is addicted to it.

/booga booga boo!
 
2012-12-04 12:27:55 PM  
I hope the Feds goatse what I did there.
 
2012-12-04 12:29:04 PM  
Man, that's a lot of dick pix they got saved at Verizon...
 
2012-12-04 12:30:40 PM  
I have AT&T so my texts just get sent into space or something, who knows where they end up.
 
2012-12-04 12:31:23 PM  

Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.


Wouldn't it be awesome if the cops, courts and Congress had some goddam respect for the Constitution, rather than treating it with contempt as if it's some giant motherfarking obstacle to them doing their jobs?
 
2012-12-04 12:31:29 PM  

frepnog: Sultan Of Herf: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

One of the phone companies I was with in the past (dont recall which) kinda did that...you could see if the text was incoming or outgoing, and who it came from/went to. The one im with now (Sprint) simply tells you how many you have used so far this billing period.

i can still see that with verizon. I WANT THE TXTS.


I worked for Sprint as a business manager, and policy was "No texts" to be released.without a court order; the reasoning was that 'someone' gave out texts and a husband killed his wife over a affair she was having. Not sure if just a excuse or really happened, but when said to employees it seemed to stop the questioning from CSR's. (We had a secure room, with outside employees who kept to themselves in the break room. After a while it came out it was a government operation, and no one was to even speak to them unless they approached with some need..)
 
2012-12-04 12:32:06 PM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


Yes, a very large number of people. This post you made in an attempt to look edgy or cool completely failed, you just look stupid and people should laugh at your ignorance.
 
2012-12-04 12:33:22 PM  

Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.


Do you think any Congressperson elected since "9/11" has ever read any part of the Constitution, let alone decided to preserve it?
 
2012-12-04 12:34:02 PM  
Pssh people just toss phones or use encrypted email. This just catches morans. Which cops don't have a problem doing anyway.
 
2012-12-04 12:39:06 PM  
This is what I use for a cell phone:
3.bp.blogspot.com
And this for text messages:
cdn.zmescience.com

So suck it coppers!
 
2012-12-04 12:40:06 PM  

Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?


We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."
 
2012-12-04 12:46:41 PM  
Dear Congress: 1984 was not a "HowTo" guide.
 
2012-12-04 12:48:13 PM  
stupid constitution
 
2012-12-04 12:52:44 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.

Do you think any Congressperson elected since "9/11" has ever read any part of the Constitution, let alone decided to preserve it?


This isn't saying that they will search only that you can't dispose of anything for 2 years in case they want to search. Next they will want you to save all your garbage for 2 years and relieve yourself into a plastic bag and not flush it for 2 years.
 
2012-12-04 01:01:12 PM  
www.vulture.com
 
2012-12-04 01:01:51 PM  

Egoy3k: Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?

We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."


Unless your moving double digit pounds or kilos the govt doest really care. Hell these days many regular LE agencies arent going to waste thier time coming after you for a nickel or dime.

If they find it on you during a search, that may be a different story.
 
2012-12-04 01:08:59 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Egoy3k: Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?

We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."

Unless your moving double digit pounds or kilos the govt doest really care. Hell these days many regular LE agencies arent going to waste thier time coming after you for a nickel or dime.

If they find it on you during a search, that may be a different story.


This.

Still, I see no reason why the government should be forcing a private business to hold your text info.

At the same time, I see now reason why anyone biatches about the government viewing your text info when the business both chooses to hold on to it and wants to give it away to the government.

A right to be secure in your papers does not include sending those papers all over the world via a private company who at no point agreed to keep that information private. You might as well demand that notes passed in class are private and that the teacher as a government agent is violating the 4th amendment by looking at it.

And of course has been said: if you are planning on doing something illegal or possibly illegal, you really ought to make it a point to be more careful. Anyone running around texting about their crimes gets very little sympathy from me.
 
2012-12-04 01:09:11 PM  
There's people that don't use TextSecure?

Next you'll be telling me there are farkers that don't use TrueCrypt!
 
2012-12-04 01:13:46 PM  

nickerj1: There's people that don't use TextSecure?

Next you'll be telling me there are farkers that don't use TrueCrypt!


Oh, also for the un-tech savvy. You can use RedPhone for your voice encryption on your android. That way they can't access the last x years of your phone records too (well they can, it'll just be encrypted wharggbl).
 
2012-12-04 01:21:47 PM  
Do U Like Me?

__ YES

__ NO

_X EABOD
 
2012-12-04 01:24:46 PM  
To combat this... one need only to send goofy, errant texts every day... e.g... "Today i will kill four dragons", or "hello Mr. Mujahideen. meet me at Taco Bell at 3:30".

... then once, under investigation, it will just a be a smattering of fake boasts and lies of a crazy person...certainly not admissable in court.
 
2012-12-04 01:26:15 PM  
Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!
 
2012-12-04 01:30:06 PM  
Oh great the GF and I have just hit the "send pictures of undergarments and genitals" phase in the relationship and now I read this.

//we both have verizon
FML
 
2012-12-04 01:33:28 PM  
Texting is the biggest scam going. $10+ for texting? I use a LOT more bandwidth streaming HD pron on my phone.

I use a free text app, so my texts never hit my carriers server.

/sheesh
 
2012-12-04 01:37:18 PM  

doczoidberg: Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!


The problem with those texts is that 99.99% of them look like the bodies at the jude beach. Baked but do not want.
 
2012-12-04 01:38:03 PM  

frepnog: snocone: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

One of the basic tennants of spookdom is never let the suckers know how much you know.
If you knew how detailed the report was, you would feel targeted.

that has nothing to do with anything. all i want is to be able to log into verizon's site and pull the txt logs on a per-phone basis. I pay the bill, I want to see what the hell is going on.


I agree.
 
2012-12-04 01:39:42 PM  

BizarreMan: doczoidberg: Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!

The problem with those texts is that 99.99% of them look like the bodies at the jude beach. Baked but do not want.


Damn you auto correct. Nude beacon and naked
 
2012-12-04 01:44:10 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Egoy3k: Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?

We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."

Unless your moving double digit pounds or kilos the govt doest really care. Hell these days many regular LE agencies arent going to waste thier time coming after you for a nickel or dime.

If they find it on you during a search, that may be a different story.


Yeah I was joking anyway. It wasn't a good joke. Hell I live in a province where a LEO at a roadside check discovered a man smoking a joint in the line of stopped cars asked him to put it out and sent him on his way.
 
2012-12-04 01:46:57 PM  

NashMcNash: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Let me guess. There's some new hip thing that I've probably never heard of? I guess me and every single person I know will just have to wait until that new hip thing goes mainstream. By then, you'll be on to something else. Must be awesome being so advanced.


Yeah, texting is still the easy way to communicate. Quick, cheap and dirty. But I guess I could Tweet my message, and then call the intended recipient and let them know to check their Twitter account. I tried wuphf.com for awhile, but that never really caught on.
 
2012-12-04 01:47:36 PM  

doczoidberg: Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!


Be careful what you wish for.
 
2012-12-04 01:50:15 PM  

jst3p: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Yes, a very large number of people. This post you made in an attempt to look edgy or cool completely failed, you just look stupid and people should laugh at your ignorance.


Does not having a text messaging plan make me cool, cheap or old?

/ Refuse to pay $10-$20 a month for a service that costs my carrier nothing
// Also, FU for charging me 20 cents per spam text message - shouldn't have to pay for incoming texts
/// Still like T-Mobile better than the other network carriers
 
2012-12-04 01:50:22 PM  
I'm in favor of anything that brings more pics of hot teachers to Fark.
 
2012-12-04 01:55:26 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: jst3p: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Yes, a very large number of people. This post you made in an attempt to look edgy or cool completely failed, you just look stupid and people should laugh at your ignorance.

Does not having a text messaging plan make me cool, cheap or old?

/ Refuse to pay $10-$20 a month for a service that costs my carrier nothing
// Also, FU for charging me 20 cents per spam text message - shouldn't have to pay for incoming texts
/// Still like T-Mobile better than the other network carriers


I don't think that T-Mobile even sells a plan without free unlimited texting anymore. Their 500 minute talk + unlimited text for $39.99 a month looks like their cheapest plan; how much are you paying?
 
2012-12-04 02:00:36 PM  
I don't have anything to hide, so I'm ok with this.
 
2012-12-04 02:01:27 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Do you think any Congressperson elected since "9/11" has ever read any part of the Constitution, let alone decided to preserve it?

I agree.
And shouldn't the blatant disregard be technically treason?
Shouldn't eveyr real American soldier be oath bound to shoot them?

Or don't the soldiers take the defend the constitution oath anymore? Maybe it wasn't PC.
 
2012-12-04 02:06:53 PM  

groppet: Onkel Buck:

Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo


Yup. What are the Tea Partiers complaining about? This administration's policies have been a continuation of GW's, if not worse.

Essentially we're about to start the 9th Reagan term, each being spookier and more repressive than the last. The sitting President, his party affiliation and his campaign statements don't matter in that regard, nor do the Cabinet members: the real decisions are made further down the supposed hierarchy in the permanent bureaucracy, or sometimes out of the Federal apparatus altogether.

From what I've read over the years about the Warsaw Pact countries major policy decisions were made in the bowels of the Kremlin and conveyed to the office holder by messengers and advisors; it's impossible for someone without a cyanide pill level of clearance to figure out even where the bulk of important US decisions are made and whether they're made by Federal employees or only conveyed through them. (Probably both.)

The permanent apparatus is so byzantine, large, so entrenched, arcane and full of links within and without, that if the entire top level of the Executive Branch were sliced off indefinitely things would go on as before until everybody who knows "how things are done around here" died without training a successor.

Thanks, Cardinal Richelieu.
 
2012-12-04 02:08:56 PM  

firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.


And replaced.

The location is NOT the point, Mr. President.
 
2012-12-04 02:10:20 PM  
Text messaging is already pretty antiquated in today's age of smart-phones.

Thankfully, modern encryption works, so long as there are still really tricky math problems. In many ways, your ability to protect your sensitive information has never been stronger.

Of course - real criminals would just....

1.) Buy pay-as-you-go phones anonymously
2.) Use fake information
3.) Steal someone else's phone
4.) Use low-tech non-incriminating language (Instead of 'Buy some drugs' say 'Buy some paintings')
5.) Use smartphones and feasibly unbreakable encryption techniques

The only people this stuff impacts are really stupid criminals and everyone else. Where 'everyone else' gets stuck paying the costs associated with keeping and managing all this data. Nevermind all the potential for abuse.

So, while you might think you are trading your privacy for safety, in reality, you're giving away your privacy for nothing. Actually, you're paying for the privilege of giving away your privacy. *IF* these systems were effective and if criminals couldn't get around it; we might have grounds for a real debate about the merits of implementing it. But as it stands? It's retarded.
 
2012-12-04 02:18:14 PM  

The Larch: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: jst3p: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Yes, a very large number of people. This post you made in an attempt to look edgy or cool completely failed, you just look stupid and people should laugh at your ignorance.

Does not having a text messaging plan make me cool, cheap or old?

/ Refuse to pay $10-$20 a month for a service that costs my carrier nothing
// Also, FU for charging me 20 cents per spam text message - shouldn't have to pay for incoming texts
/// Still like T-Mobile better than the other network carriers

I don't think that T-Mobile even sells a plan without free unlimited texting anymore. Their 500 minute talk + unlimited text for $39.99 a month looks like their cheapest plan; how much are you paying?


I have a cheap grandfathered family plan - $65 per month for 3 lines, 750 shared minutes and unlimited texting for my daughter. No phone subsidies and no contract.

The least expensive unlimited plan with texting would increase my bill by $25/month and put me under a two year contract. I'm not keen on being on contract and - in any case - I can't afford the additional monthly cost. I'd turn off SMS completly to avoid the junk texts but I do text occasionally.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:35 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: doczoidberg: Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!

Be careful what you wish for.


If they involve the T-Mobile chick, I'm in.
 
2012-12-04 02:29:32 PM  
mcreadyblue:

14 years imprisonment with out a trial.

Even Stalin had trials.


For the big fish. For ordinary people like us (presumably) they usually used troikas, three-person tribunals of some kind or combination of police, "justice" and "security" officials. Sometimes they'd "try" a whole roomful of prisoners at once for about three minutes, time enough to note down the charges, the number of "offenders," the demographic information of as many as they bothered to note, and what was done with them. Occasionally an odd person was actually acquitted, usually either because some official found him useful and/or got bribed but in rare instances because they decided he wasn't guilty, and of course he'd spend the next few months or years showing gratitude somehow.

"Smolensk, 3 Aug 36. 16 Trotskyites executed, 12 sent to labor camps, 2 of the latter now-ex-party members (A. Smithovich and B. Joneski). One prisoner acquitted, an 80 year old woman who had to be carried in on a plank: couldn't remember her own name, harmless. 3 cases referred to higher levels."

Do the prisoners at Gitmo get even that much?

Oh by the way: "In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience.[45][46] Wilkerson's statement was submitted in connection with a lawsuit filed in federal district court by former detainee Adel Hassan Hamad against the United States government and several individual officials." From (the Wikipedia article on Gitmo's section on detainees.)
 
2012-12-04 02:42:54 PM  
Been with T-Mobile since they were Voice Stream (yeah get off my lawn). This is one of the many reasons why I stuck with them. I almost shiat myself when they merged with AT&T, but I am glad it fell through.

fark the rest - especially AT&T
 
2012-12-04 02:53:35 PM  
I use Google Voice, so I'm really getting a... oh wait, I'm screwed, aren't I?
 
2012-12-04 02:55:55 PM  

Cythraul: Pista: Do people still send texts?

It's better than trying to communicate via photos of yourself in various poses of nude interpretive dance. Trust me.


As opposed to what?

Skype? IM? Email? Semaphore? Smoke signals? The deep musings of the collective unconscious?

Throw us a bone, here. We're all dying to know what the hell you're on about.
 
2012-12-04 03:02:21 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Cythraul: Pista: Do people still send texts?

It's better than trying to communicate via photos of yourself in various poses of nude interpretive dance. Trust me.

As opposed to what?

Skype? IM? Email? Semaphore? Smoke signals? The deep musings of the collective unconscious?

Throw us a bone, here. We're all dying to know what the hell you're on about.



Text+


Free app that gives you a virtual number for texting. Doesn't cost a thing, and saves me $30 a month on SMS packaging.
 
2012-12-04 03:09:07 PM  

groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo


Oh come on... Is that all you rednecks got?
Just let the real hatred flow...
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-04 03:15:53 PM  

frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.


Considering that my line is part of a family share plan (with my mother as primary account holder) and the contents of some of the texts which my girlfriend and I send to each other, I'm really glad that this option does not exist.
 
2012-12-04 03:18:04 PM  
T- mobile does not save them at all. Verizon? Every damn one you've ever made

For me, there is zero difference between the two.
 
2012-12-04 03:29:36 PM  

Pista: Do people still send texts?


All the damn time, they are just ridiculously handy for a lot of the information I need to get/send.
 
2012-12-04 03:31:17 PM  

envirovore: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

Considering that my line is part of a family share plan (with my mother as primary account holder) and the contents of some of the texts which my girlfriend and I send to each other, I'm really glad that this option does not exist.


i get you, privacy and all that. I understand it. I just think that the option should be there to be able to retrieve those texts without a friggin' warrant. i can see every number called, i can see every number that was texted. show me the texts if I desire. or give the option at sign up "click here if you want access to text messages on our website, click here to approve, if you choose not to approve this texts will not appear".
 
2012-12-04 03:44:22 PM  

frepnog: envirovore: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

Considering that my line is part of a family share plan (with my mother as primary account holder) and the contents of some of the texts which my girlfriend and I send to each other, I'm really glad that this option does not exist.

i get you, privacy and all that. I understand it. I just think that the option should be there to be able to retrieve those texts without a friggin' warrant. i can see every number called, i can see every number that was texted. show me the texts if I desire. or give the option at sign up "click here if you want access to text messages on our website, click here to approve, if you choose not to approve this texts will not appear".


Yeah, I understand that was what you were really getting at, and agree that if the information is stored it should be available to the account holder to review at their will, especially if the primary account holder has younger children/teens on their plan.
However the first thing I though of was 'oh god, I'd never be able to look my mother in the eyes again.'
 
2012-12-04 03:45:11 PM  

base935: I don't have anything to hide, so I'm ok with this.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-04 03:47:54 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: The Larch: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: jst3p: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Yes, a very large number of people. This post you made in an attempt to look edgy or cool completely failed, you just look stupid and people should laugh at your ignorance.

Does not having a text messaging plan make me cool, cheap or old?

/ Refuse to pay $10-$20 a month for a service that costs my carrier nothing
// Also, FU for charging me 20 cents per spam text message - shouldn't have to pay for incoming texts
/// Still like T-Mobile better than the other network carriers

I don't think that T-Mobile even sells a plan without free unlimited texting anymore. Their 500 minute talk + unlimited text for $39.99 a month looks like their cheapest plan; how much are you paying?

I have a cheap grandfathered family plan - $65 per month for 3 lines, 750 shared minutes and unlimited texting for my daughter. No phone subsidies and no contract.

The least expensive unlimited plan with texting would increase my bill by $25/month and put me under a two year contract. I'm not keen on being on contract and - in any case - I can't afford the additional monthly cost. I'd turn off SMS completly to avoid the junk texts but I do text occasionally.



T-Mobile has a three line, 1000 minute talk + text plan with no annual contract for $64.99. Link
 
2012-12-04 03:51:41 PM  
Heey

ExperianScaresCthulhu: frepnog: snocone: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

One of the basic tennants of spookdom is never let the suckers know how much you know.
If you knew how detailed the report was, you would feel targeted.

that has nothing to do with anything. all i want is to be able to log into verizon's site and pull the txt logs on a per-phone basis. I pay the bill, I want to see what the hell is going on.

I agree.


Heeyyy Goose, the Gander wants to know if we plan on keeping and outing police phone conversations for 2 years.
I mean we paid for it and all.
Lotsa luck.

/see the last guy that outed email we paid for, what's his name? Forgotten already.
 
2012-12-04 03:55:39 PM  

firefly212: mcreadyblue: firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck:

Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.

14 years imprisonment with out a trial.

Even Stalin had trials.

I support trying them, but let's not go on pretending that it's the left that would object to moving these people into the regular criminal trial system from the military tribunal face they have right now. The GOP blocked the move to close Guantanamo, then slammed Obama relentlessly for his failure to do so... I'm tired of this being the way every fight goes... where the right just obstructs all rational courses, then complains about the irrationality of whats left.


One problem is you're unwittingly talking nonsense: there's no real Left with any influence in the Democratic Party, unless by Left we mean "compared to You-know-who." The closest we've come to that since WW2 was in the early/mid '70s, when Bayard Rustin's clique in the old Socialist Party dissolved itself into the "Social Democrats, USA" and committed itself to boring from within the Democrats. That was a stupid idea then and hasn't worked for shiat, seeing that each in major Democratic election the party shows it's moved farther to the Right, often to the positions the Republicans just vacated to go wingnut again. (You might say the purpose of Republican wingnuttery is to move the Democrats farther to the Right, not to actually accomplish anything by that tactic.) Except for gay and ethnic minority issues Obama's policies stand to the right of Nixon's, back when the "Rockefeller Republicans" still had some clout.

The only hope of really changing US government policies would involve devoting a generation or more to raising and infiltrating conspirators into the military in as many levels as possible until you had enough oomph for a military coup (whether it looked like one on the surface or not): this is essentially how the cliques around Ataturk, Nasser, Qaddafi, Assad and Hussein did it. Ataturk's military clique was lucky enough when the Ottoman Empire was crushed in WW1 to command several large bodies of troops in several important places and have friends in the central bureaucracy, so they could force through policies decided upon in the previous 80 years of conspiracy in 10-15 years at gunpoint.

Party politics would take even longer because you'd have to have enough influence in the media and educational system to change the way "the broad masses" (or at least their "enlightened sectors") think, to rewrite or redirect their deeply ingrained habit of "respecting" established authority and thinking in ways that the ruling cliques want them to. "Third parties are doomed to fail" and "rally 'round the flag" are obvious examples of that; another is "blacks are hoodlums and welfare cheaters." They keep harping on these themes over and over because they keep working because they're built into the System itself.

Even then you'd have to elbow aside the entrenched party bureaucracy, most likely by outliving them. The Gorbachev bunch tried to hurry this and look how that turned out: they should have been more patient with the poor benighted "sheeple," starting their unofficial program with 12 year olds. "Just a minor updating of the curriculum, mostly tiny details, nothing to be concerned about." While the current Democratic Party undoubtedly has some influence, as previously noted they're pretty right wing themselves: the Gorbachevites tried to get the apparatus to reform itself, instead of waiting for them to retire or die off or having them shot, and at least till the failed coup against him he was trying to save the system, not change its fundamentals.

Most likely what we'll see is several smaller "Gitmos" here in the Lower 48 with an ever-widening pool of "offenders" to fill them. E.g., they can reclassify certain civilian criminal charges as military or national security matters -- "helping the Nazi-Trotskyite conspiracy to take power in Siberia through a Japanese invasion" is an example of how the Stalinists put it -- and "trying them before a tribunal" or simply disappearing them. And don't worry, the Bradley Manning case and drug-gun-and-wetback smuggling cases show you don't even have to know what a Muslim is to qualify as a detainee. (Think of all the jobs that would create and all the government employees who'd feel important because they had important secrets to keep.) And then of course certain people would simply disappear from wherever they were disappeared to, maybe "found guilty" and executed, weakened and then given a special strain of norovirus, or "nobody knows what happened to that person you speak of who never existed anyway."

Even the mere handful college students who consider the "Trotskyist" ISO and the "Maoist" RCP outgrow it pretty quickly: it's another example of the LUG phenomenon. As for the die-hard radicals of the '60s & '70s and their successors (like me), those that are still alive and not converted or bought off are those who never had any real influence to begin with (like me, who nobody listens to) or those who assured their longevity by turning on competing sects (like the RCP and LaRouchies did) and/or turning in their friends (like I never had to do because nobody ever had any use for me in the first place).

At least I can be pretty sure I won't be taken into custody any time soon, because you might say my function is to discredit the alternatives by posting "obviously crazy" things like this: y'all "useful idiots" among the "normal" Farkers can twirl your fingers around your temples and talk about "those people in foil helmets" and very few people who hear you will even know how to consider that there might be enough in what I post to take any of it seriously.

But there is hope: maybe the economic system will disintegrate without hope of repair leading the larger structures to fall apart, or maybe Skynet will turn out to be a nice guy after all.

That said, buy cheap prepaid phones and smash them into little pieces after very significant exchange of texts. That won't help you if they're on to you already, but since you can't really know that better safe than sorry.

"All right Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up!"
 
2012-12-04 03:59:23 PM  

The Larch: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: The Larch: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: jst3p: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Yes, a very large number of people. This post you made in an attempt to look edgy or cool completely failed, you just look stupid and people should laugh at your ignorance.

Does not having a text messaging plan make me cool, cheap or old?

/ Refuse to pay $10-$20 a month for a service that costs my carrier nothing
// Also, FU for charging me 20 cents per spam text message - shouldn't have to pay for incoming texts
/// Still like T-Mobile better than the other network carriers

I don't think that T-Mobile even sells a plan without free unlimited texting anymore. Their 500 minute talk + unlimited text for $39.99 a month looks like their cheapest plan; how much are you paying?

I have a cheap grandfathered family plan - $65 per month for 3 lines, 750 shared minutes and unlimited texting for my daughter. No phone subsidies and no contract.

The least expensive unlimited plan with texting would increase my bill by $25/month and put me under a two year contract. I'm not keen on being on contract and - in any case - I can't afford the additional monthly cost. I'd turn off SMS completly to avoid the junk texts but I do text occasionally.


T-Mobile has a three line, 1000 minute talk + text plan with no annual contract for $64.99. Link


The last time I checked the value plans required a two year contract. If that's changed I'll be all over this. Thanks.
 
2012-12-04 04:01:29 PM  

The One True TheDavid: firefly212: mcreadyblue: firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck:

snip..


W.O.T! 
Did I wander into the Politics tab again by mistake?
 
2012-12-04 04:04:40 PM  
T.rex:

To combat this... one need only to send goofy, errant texts every day... e.g... "Today i will kill four dragons", or "hello Mr. Mujahideen. meet me at Taco Bell at 3:30".

... then once, under investigation, it will just a be a smattering of fake boasts and lies of a crazy person...certainly not admissable in court.


Don't be so sure. Some people still seriously believe that a small roomful of Jews controls the world's economy; some even think the Elders of Zion are behind the Taliban stuff. And some of those people are in positions of influence in Russia, Iran, China, Japan and possibly the good ol' USA. Just because something is obviously bonkers doesn't mean whichever operative you wind up in front of will know that. 

PSST, an example: "Dragon" is a position in the KKK. Can you prove you're not a Black Muslim assassin? Or maybe you're a brainwashed libtard like in the ACLU. Or both! Wouldn't it be safer to bring you in for questioning just in case? We got facilities to fill here, you know. Jobs to create.
 
2012-12-04 04:05:09 PM  

base935: I don't have anything to hide, so I'm ok with this.


I do. My private communications are just that, private. There's nothing in my texts that is illegal, or embarrassing, or compromising, but there is also nothing there that is anyone else's goddamn business.
 
2012-12-04 04:06:46 PM  
Fark_Guy_Rob:

The only people this stuff impacts are really stupid criminals and everyone else. Where 'everyone else' gets stuck paying the costs associated with keeping and managing all this data.

I'm still shaking my head over people who haven't figured out how to TXT for free.
 
2012-12-04 04:08:20 PM  

The One True TheDavid: ahem... I'm important. You should listen.


I am so wondering if you've got something relevant to say.
 
2012-12-04 04:10:24 PM  

Alphakronik:

Text+

Free app that gives you a virtual number for texting. Doesn't cost a thing, and saves me $30 a month on SMS packaging.



Available On

iPhone, iPod touch & iPad
Android
Kindle Fire
Windows Phone
Nokia

Want to SEND ME MONEY so I can buy one of those hip devices?
 
2012-12-04 04:12:12 PM  

envirovore: frepnog:

I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

Considering that my line is part of a family share plan (with my mother as primary account holder) and the contents of some of the texts which my girlfriend and I send to each other, I'm really glad that this option does not exist.


You're not old enough to buy your own beer yet, are you. Are you CUTE?!?


/obvious trolling really
 
2012-12-04 04:21:45 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: The Larch: T-Mobile has a three line, 1000 minute talk + text plan with no annual contract for $64.99. Link

The last time I checked the value plans required a two year contract. If that's changed I'll be all over this. Thanks.


I had to go to three different T-Mobile stores before I found someone who was willing to sell the no-contract plan described on their website and on the price brochures right in the store. Around here, sales people at cellular stores are some of the surliest, nastiest, laziest people I've ever dealt with in my life; they can't seem to be bothered unless there's a commission in it for them. And I suspect they get a commission from the no-contract plans.
 
2012-12-04 04:22:20 PM  

The Larch: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: The Larch: T-Mobile has a three line, 1000 minute talk + text plan with no annual contract for $64.99. Link

The last time I checked the value plans required a two year contract. If that's changed I'll be all over this. Thanks.

I had to go to three different T-Mobile stores before I found someone who was willing to sell the no-contract plan described on their website and on the price brochures right in the store. Around here, sales people at cellular stores are some of the surliest, nastiest, laziest people I've ever dealt with in my life; they can't seem to be bothered unless there's a commission in it for them. And I suspect they don't get a commission from the no-contract plans.


FTFM
 
2012-12-04 04:31:31 PM  
special20 asked me:

I am so wondering if you've got something relevant to say.

Not to you. Ignore me already.


Hey y'all, is there a way to see a list of everybody I've Ignored?
 
2012-12-04 04:34:10 PM  
Aw, crap! I've got Verizon. So now Verizon's going to archive all those text replies I send to Craigslist scammers? You know, the ones where I'm pissed off because I've been woken up at 2:02 am by someone wanting to know "Is the Item still available? What is your lowest price please get back to me I want to buy it".

Yeah, I can be pretty brutal.
 
2012-12-04 04:36:01 PM  

special20: base935: I don't have anything to hide, so I'm ok with this.

[i.imgur.com image 250x250]


Loking Trought?
 
2012-12-04 04:39:23 PM  

Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution
Most Americans ignore it also. Most americans are a bunch of fearful pu$$ies and are jumping at the opportunity to give up their rights to protect themselves from something that may or may not ever happen to them.

 
2012-12-04 05:10:37 PM  
i always figured they did save every text sent
 
2012-12-04 05:20:25 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The only people this stuff impacts are really stupid criminals and everyone else. Where 'everyone else' gets stuck paying the costs associated with keeping and managing all this data. Nevermind all the potential for abuse.


This in a nutshell.
 
2012-12-04 05:20:47 PM  

pmdgrwr: Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution


pmdgrwr: Most Americans ignore it also. Most americans are a bunch of fearful pu$$ies and are jumping at the opportunity to give up their rights to protect themselves from something that may or may not ever happen to them.


Sadly that is true. Somewhere we lost sight of the very limited role that the FF's, in their wisdom, intended for the federal government to serve. Since then we have been steadily creeping toward a Centralized Authoritarian Regime, which is exactly what the framers of the Constitution were carefully trying to avoid.

This can only lead to tyranny.
 
2012-12-04 05:31:02 PM  

Amos Quito: pmdgrwr: Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution

pmdgrwr: Most Americans ignore it also. Most americans are a bunch of fearful pu$$ies and are jumping at the opportunity to give up their rights to protect themselves from something that may or may not ever happen to them.


Sadly that is true. Somewhere we lost sight of the very limited role that the FF's, in their wisdom, intended for the federal government to serve. Since then we have been steadily creeping toward a Centralized Authoritarian Regime, which is exactly what the framers of the Constitution were carefully trying to avoid.

This can only lead to tyranny.


Tyrants always come next.
 
2012-12-04 05:37:27 PM  
hehehe I'm sending sexy texts right now!
 
2012-12-04 05:53:58 PM  

BizarreMan: BizarreMan: doczoidberg: Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!

The problem with those texts is that 99.99% of them look like the bodies at the jude beach. Baked but do not want.

Damn you auto correct. Nude beacon and naked


I LOL'd. How baked would you have to be to want them? And would the beacon shining on them help at all?

//Had T-Mobile but coverage outside the cities around here was so shiatty I had to go to Verizon.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:48 PM  

sn82: hehehe I'm sending sexy texts right now!


I've been sending random texts of me in my ho ho ho underwear all day.
 
2012-12-04 06:13:00 PM  

myrrh: special20: base935: I don't have anything to hide, so I'm ok with this.

[i.imgur.com image 250x250]

Loking Trought?


Nobbody wonts yu tew loking trought thar sal fon.
 
2012-12-04 06:25:53 PM  

olapbill: sn82: hehehe I'm sending sexy texts right now!

I've been sending random texts of me in my ho ho ho underwear all day.


Hey! Me too!
 
2012-12-04 07:27:56 PM  

special20: groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

Oh come on... Is that all you rednecks got?
Just let the real hatred flow...
[i.imgur.com image 406x406]


let me guess, you were against it until Obama did it? I seem to remember a lot of complaining about both of those things that suddenly went silent when the guy with the D behind his name did it. (I have not stopped complaining about those things because they are crappy)

BTW the Obama Superfan Club meets in the politics tab in case you're wondering.
 
2012-12-04 07:38:44 PM  

The One True TheDavid: envirovore: frepnog:

I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

Considering that my line is part of a family share plan (with my mother as primary account holder) and the contents of some of the texts which my girlfriend and I send to each other, I'm really glad that this option does not exist.

You're not old enough to buy your own beer yet, are you. Are you CUTE?!?


/obvious trolling really


Would lol again
 
2012-12-04 07:51:26 PM  
I am totally fine with forcing companies to retain records, including texts, if requested by the police. It is not like this is anything new. If you have records that might pertain to a criminal act, and you know this, then it is quite obvious you are required by law to retain them. The police asking for them to be retained ensures you are aware, and so you must retain the records.Trying to avoid this is actually what took down Arthur Andersen during the Enron scandal.

That being said, a law requiring 2 year retention without a request is clearly unconstitutional and should never be allowed to stand.
 
2012-12-04 08:06:40 PM  
I work for Verizon and that isn't true
 
2012-12-04 08:52:35 PM  

sn82: olapbill: sn82: hehehe I'm sending sexy texts right now!

I've been sending random texts of me in my ho ho ho underwear all day.

Hey! Me too!


well now I just feel left out.
 
2012-12-04 09:44:11 PM  

base935: I don't have anything to hide, so I'm ok with this.


Lets see if that's still true now that you've been implicated in a major crime.

\tipped off anonymously that is
 
2012-12-04 11:35:20 PM  
www.walyou.com
 
2012-12-05 01:19:07 AM  

Great Janitor: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Until they add a voice feature to my cell, it's pretty much texts


I use Google voice recognition to dictate my outgoing texts, and read my incoming texts aloud.
 
2012-12-05 05:24:06 AM  

Smackledorfer: Sultan Of Herf: Egoy3k: Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?

We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."

Unless your moving double digit pounds or kilos the govt doest really care. Hell these days many regular LE agencies arent going to waste thier time coming after you for a nickel or dime.

If they find it on you during a search, that may be a different story.

This.

Still, I see no reason why the government should be forcing a private business to hold your text info.

At the same time, I see now reason why anyone biatches about the government viewing your text info when the business both chooses to hold on to it and wants to give it away to the government.

A right to be secure in your papers does not include sending those papers all over the world via a private company who at no point agreed to keep that information private. You might as well demand that notes passed in class are private and that the teacher as a government agent is violating the 4th amendment by looking at it.

And of course has been said: if you are planning on doing something illegal or possibly illegal, you really ought to make it a point to be more careful. Anyone running around texting about their crimes gets very little sympathy from me.


Really, so now adult taxpayers have the government acting in parentis locus? What other rights and privileges do you want to sacrifice to return to those glory days of authoritarian rule with no recourse of your childhood? I'm a tax paying adult, I have an education and a family to care for. I don't require or want any organization acting in parentis locus for me.
 
2012-12-05 09:20:21 AM  
I feel truly bad for whoever wold have to see my texts

I have beeen known to send random pics of my wedding berries

what has been seen....
 
2012-12-05 09:21:03 AM  

Z-clipped: Great Janitor: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Until they add a voice feature to my cell, it's pretty much texts

I use Google voice recognition to dictate my outgoing texts, and read my incoming texts aloud.


I use the pre-Google version of GMail Tap.
 
2012-12-05 02:40:08 PM  
Sprint and Boost Mobile don't store text content. Nextel (iDEN instead of CDMA network) might have the last seven days, maybe, if Jupiter and Mars aligned with the cell tower at precisely the time the text was sent. Virgin Mobile saves every text message, verbatim. Text detail (sending and receiving numbers, time and date) is available for all of these for the most recent 18 months, and longer for postpaid accounts, if the bills show call detail records.

For the record: Sprint doesn't keep copies of emails, pictures or videos sent or received.

To get any stored content, law enforcement must provide either a search warrant (for which they have convinced a judge there is probable cause) or a court order with attached probable cause statement.

Sprint hires people specifically to go over every legal demand they receive, and verify its validity before sending out anything - this includes exigent circumstances requests. This protects law enforcement as well as Sprint customers: if officers or agents use evidence they should never have been given, any evidence they gather using that bad evidence becomes 'fruit of the poisonous tree', and might get their entire case thrown out of court. (Power-tripping attorneys, cops and agents usually quit trying to bully their way past the law really, really fast, when they're reminded of that... ;-) )

To be fair to Verizon, I keep hearing that getting records from them is like pulling the teeth from a crocodile, and their response time is like molasses in January. (These would be the polite examples...) The people saying this might be blowing sunshine up my skirt, but I tend to believe they're at most embellishing the truth, a bit. But seriously, Verizon, if my bill's so much higher with you because you're paying storage on my text content, just delete it.
 
2012-12-05 02:51:05 PM  

frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.


Because most telecoms don't have the digital storage capacity to save the content of all the text messages people generate. To afford that, they'd have to up your bill by 300% or so. As an exercise: watch a group of teenagers, for a day. Then multiply that group's texts by the millions of teenagers on any given network, and add half that, again, for everyone else. Data storage will have to go through another couple of generations before the amount needed to save everyone's LULZ and other assorted remarks will fit in a building that the telecoms can afford, on top of the storage media itself. And the flip side of the coin is: if YOU can get your text message content, so can law enforcement. For now...if privacy erodes much further, divorce attorneys will be able to get their hands on it, too, as just one other scary scenario.
 
2012-12-05 02:56:02 PM  

PJ-: My question is, how do they handle disposable cell phones that have either no name attached to it or a fake one attached to it?


They try to "follow the money" - either they ask for payment information hoping the criminal's an idiot and used a credit card, or they find out the phone was bought at Wal-Mart (ie), and go ask Wal-Mart for their security videos for that day. Or they know who's using it, already, or they ask for location data and hope there's a security camera showing someone on the phone in that area at the right time.
 
2012-12-05 03:06:40 PM  

doczoidberg: Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!


Not from what I've heard...especially from people who had to work child porn cases, before Sprint quit saving pictures.
 
2012-12-05 08:00:59 PM  
Every damn one you've ever made

All 2 of them? Oh noes!
 
2012-12-05 08:46:52 PM  
... and if I texted, I'd give a s***.
 
2012-12-05 11:05:14 PM  
So that's what happened to all the 976-numbers.

Eaten by the text-lords.
 
2012-12-06 11:29:47 AM  

polyhedron collider: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

Because most telecoms don't have the digital storage capacity to save the content of all the text messages people generate. To afford that, they'd have to up your bill by 300% or so. As an exercise: watch a group of teenagers, for a day. Then multiply that group's texts by the millions of teenagers on any given network, and add half that, again, for everyone else. Data storage will have to go through another couple of generations before the amount needed to save everyone's LULZ and other assorted remarks will fit in a building that the telecoms can afford, on top of the storage media itself. And the flip side of the coin is: if YOU can get your text message content, so can law enforcement. For now...if privacy erodes much further, divorce attorneys will be able to get their hands on it, too, as just one other scary scenario.


i guess i didn't think of the fact that giant volumes of text are likely produced each day by people crazytxting each other. makes more sense.
 
2012-12-07 12:26:33 AM  

polyhedron collider: Because most telecoms don't have the digital storage capacity to save the content of all the text messages people generate. To afford that, they'd have to up your bill by 300% or so. As an exercise: watch a group of teenagers, for a day. Then multiply that group's texts by the millions of teenagers on any given network, and add half that, again, for everyone else. Data storage will have to go through another couple of generations before the amount needed to save everyone's LULZ and other assorted remarks will fit in a building that the telecoms can afford, on top of the storage media itself.


According to this site, there were 185 billion text messages sent in the United States in the month of June 2012. At 140 characters maximum, that works out to about 25 terabytes of messages per month. Add in plenty of overhead for indexing and metadata, and you might be looking at about a petabyte of data per year, for all US carriers combined.

You can setup a single petabyte server for about two million dollars, and probably get it in one server rack. You can probably setup a couple of replicated hot spares in geographically diverse locations, with full backups, using off-the-shelf components for under twenty million.

There are a lot of reasons that archiving every single text message sent in the United States would be an interesting technical challenge. Storage capacity would not be one of the challenges.
 
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