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(C|Net)   Police want phone providers to save all texts..for two years..by the way, T- mobile does not save them at all. Verizon? Every damn one you've ever made   (news.cnet.com) divider line 169
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2012-12-04 12:02:13 PM
Patriot Act Thread!
 
2012-12-04 12:03:05 PM

the801: uh-oh. now the illuminati knows when and where i'm going to meet my cousin for lunch. it's an italian place. italians are facist. it's a byob place and she's bringing a bottle of wine - the illuminati know our weakness!

this is the end of civilization.


I'm pretty sure the Illuminati is tired of seeing pictures of semi-erect junk and rambling texts from ex-lovers.
 
2012-12-04 12:03:44 PM
brb, murdering important public figure
 
2012-12-04 12:04:53 PM

Pista: Do people still send texts?


What world do you live in ?
 
2012-12-04 12:08:46 PM

Pista: Do people still send texts?



Did they put the Obi Wan Kenobi hologram thing on the iPhone 5?? Shiat, I always miss out on the new technology.
 
2012-12-04 12:11:59 PM

padraig: Pista: Do people still send texts?

What world do you live in ?


He's desperately trying to sound hip.
 
2012-12-04 12:12:50 PM

Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait


Right after he closed Gitmo
 
2012-12-04 12:12:55 PM
I'd be ok with some reasonable retention period, and still require warrants for police to access them. I had a friend who was dealing with a stalker situation, his cell company (tmo) doesn't save texts, fortunately, he still had all the psycho texts and threats in his phone to show the judge at the hearing to make the restraining order permanent.
 
2012-12-04 12:13:54 PM
Still not as creepy as this part of a notice "about two new programs at Sprint and your privacy choices" that I received in my email. At least they gave me the choice to opt out of the programs.

"Reporting & Analytics Program
Beginning December 1, 2012, Sprint will combine Mobile Usage Information and Consumer Information to prepare business and marketing reports that we may share with others... ...We may also share location information with other companies in a way that does not personally identify you.

Mobile Usage Information:

Categories of websites visited when using our wireless service (e.g., sports sites, music sites)
High-level location information (e.g., general location of cell tower serving your device)
Applications and features used on our network and information about network traffic (e.g., number of users using particular category of applications, such as navigation applications)


Consumer Information:

Information about use of Sprint products and services (such as data and calling use and features, device type, amount of use)
Demographic information provided to us by other companies (e.g., gender, age range)"


Who needs Big Brother? We have Big Business watching us!
 
2012-12-04 12:14:03 PM

groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo


He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.
 
2012-12-04 12:14:52 PM
So right now someone is reading the text me and my friend are sending each other abotu how each other needs to get laid and how Im gonna buy her underwear for xmas. Weird country
 
2012-12-04 12:15:25 PM
A guy I work with is a texting fanatic.. No problem, but he's a terrible speller in the first place, and compounds it by making up new abbreviations. About half the time I end up calling him and asking what the hell that last text was supposed to mean.

Any cops going through his records will give up after trying to figure out what "kthnds cjl9r bdy" means...

(kthnks cul8r buddy)
 
2012-12-04 12:17:21 PM
I hope Big Brother like pictures of my junk, because I send a lot of those to various phone numbers.
 
2012-12-04 12:19:01 PM

firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.


14 years imprisonment with out a trial.

Even Stalin had trials.
 
2012-12-04 12:22:28 PM
As a criminal defense attorney, my take is that this will not affect major criminal enterprises, or even smaller ones like street gangs. They obtain and use prepaid phones, and purchase additional minutes at the local carry-out or gas station.

I represented someone in connection with a murder case, that was ultimately dismissed because law enforcement could only trace texts (setting up the meeting) and phone numbers back to a prepaid phone, which they were never able to locate despite searching my client's person, his car and house. The victim only had nicknames recorded in his phone, so they couldn't even use that information to identify my client. My client was either lucky enough (if he did it) or unlucky (if he didn't) to have a very popular nickname.

The lesson to learn from this is... if you think that someone is going to kill you, make sure you have their full legal name in the contact folder of your phone, so it will register in the call and text logs, and can at least be used as circumstantial evidence. And, if you are going to do something illegal... prepaid is only the way to go.
 
2012-12-04 12:23:08 PM
Burner phone people.

They are $20 @ Walmart. Pay by cash.
 
2012-12-04 12:24:03 PM

mcreadyblue: firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.

14 years imprisonment with out a trial.

Even Stalin had trials.


Not for foreigners.

And why no love for AT&T? They're not keeping any, either.
 
2012-12-04 12:24:10 PM

the801: uh-oh. now the illuminati knows when and where i'm going to meet my cousin for lunch. it's an italian place. italians are facist. it's a byob place and she's bringing a bottle of wine - the illuminati know our weakness!

this is the end of civilization.


We just want to know why your cousin is trying to get you drunk
 
2012-12-04 12:24:40 PM

iheartscotch: The joke is on the CIA/ FBI/ police; I communicate exclusively with captioned pictures of owls with funny looks on their faces.


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-04 12:24:48 PM

mcreadyblue: firefly212: groppet: Onkel Buck: Good thing Barry repealed the Patriot Act...oh wait

Right after he closed Gitmo

He bought that unused prison in Illinois... I suspect that, despite republican opposition, the detention facility at Guantanamo will be closed within a year or two.

14 years imprisonment with out a trial.

Even Stalin had trials.


I support trying them, but let's not go on pretending that it's the left that would object to moving these people into the regular criminal trial system from the military tribunal face they have right now. The GOP blocked the move to close Guantanamo, then slammed Obama relentlessly for his failure to do so... I'm tired of this being the way every fight goes... where the right just obstructs all rational courses, then complains about the irrationality of whats left.
 
2012-12-04 12:26:31 PM
LOL

Not on the side of the police here, but if you send incriminating texts to someone, texts that indicate some kind of criminal behavior, you deserve to be apprehended.

Don't put incriminating shiat in writing. How farking hard is that to understand? Even if the cops don't get access to them, the person you sent them to can save whatever the fark they want.
 
2012-12-04 12:26:58 PM
Ever expanding capitalist law enforcement. The concept that if you aren't growing somehow then you're failing should not apply to law enforcement. The system is addicted to it.

/booga booga boo!
 
2012-12-04 12:27:55 PM
I hope the Feds goatse what I did there.
 
2012-12-04 12:29:04 PM
Man, that's a lot of dick pix they got saved at Verizon...
 
2012-12-04 12:30:40 PM
I have AT&T so my texts just get sent into space or something, who knows where they end up.
 
2012-12-04 12:31:23 PM

Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.


Wouldn't it be awesome if the cops, courts and Congress had some goddam respect for the Constitution, rather than treating it with contempt as if it's some giant motherfarking obstacle to them doing their jobs?
 
2012-12-04 12:31:29 PM

frepnog: Sultan Of Herf: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

One of the phone companies I was with in the past (dont recall which) kinda did that...you could see if the text was incoming or outgoing, and who it came from/went to. The one im with now (Sprint) simply tells you how many you have used so far this billing period.

i can still see that with verizon. I WANT THE TXTS.


I worked for Sprint as a business manager, and policy was "No texts" to be released.without a court order; the reasoning was that 'someone' gave out texts and a husband killed his wife over a affair she was having. Not sure if just a excuse or really happened, but when said to employees it seemed to stop the questioning from CSR's. (We had a secure room, with outside employees who kept to themselves in the break room. After a while it came out it was a government operation, and no one was to even speak to them unless they approached with some need..)
 
2012-12-04 12:32:06 PM

Pista: Do people still send texts?


Yes, a very large number of people. This post you made in an attempt to look edgy or cool completely failed, you just look stupid and people should laugh at your ignorance.
 
2012-12-04 12:33:22 PM

Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.


Do you think any Congressperson elected since "9/11" has ever read any part of the Constitution, let alone decided to preserve it?
 
2012-12-04 12:34:02 PM
Pssh people just toss phones or use encrypted email. This just catches morans. Which cops don't have a problem doing anyway.
 
2012-12-04 12:39:06 PM
This is what I use for a cell phone:
3.bp.blogspot.com
And this for text messages:
cdn.zmescience.com

So suck it coppers!
 
2012-12-04 12:40:06 PM

Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?


We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."
 
2012-12-04 12:46:41 PM
Dear Congress: 1984 was not a "HowTo" guide.
 
2012-12-04 12:48:13 PM
stupid constitution
 
2012-12-04 12:52:44 PM

The One True TheDavid: Amos Quito: HEY CONGRESS:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Feel free to ignore that, just like you have the rest of the Constitution.

Do you think any Congressperson elected since "9/11" has ever read any part of the Constitution, let alone decided to preserve it?


This isn't saying that they will search only that you can't dispose of anything for 2 years in case they want to search. Next they will want you to save all your garbage for 2 years and relieve yourself into a plastic bag and not flush it for 2 years.
 
2012-12-04 01:01:12 PM
www.vulture.com
 
2012-12-04 01:01:51 PM

Egoy3k: Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?

We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."


Unless your moving double digit pounds or kilos the govt doest really care. Hell these days many regular LE agencies arent going to waste thier time coming after you for a nickel or dime.

If they find it on you during a search, that may be a different story.
 
2012-12-04 01:08:59 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Egoy3k: Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?

We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."

Unless your moving double digit pounds or kilos the govt doest really care. Hell these days many regular LE agencies arent going to waste thier time coming after you for a nickel or dime.

If they find it on you during a search, that may be a different story.


This.

Still, I see no reason why the government should be forcing a private business to hold your text info.

At the same time, I see now reason why anyone biatches about the government viewing your text info when the business both chooses to hold on to it and wants to give it away to the government.

A right to be secure in your papers does not include sending those papers all over the world via a private company who at no point agreed to keep that information private. You might as well demand that notes passed in class are private and that the teacher as a government agent is violating the 4th amendment by looking at it.

And of course has been said: if you are planning on doing something illegal or possibly illegal, you really ought to make it a point to be more careful. Anyone running around texting about their crimes gets very little sympathy from me.
 
2012-12-04 01:09:11 PM
There's people that don't use TextSecure?

Next you'll be telling me there are farkers that don't use TrueCrypt!
 
2012-12-04 01:13:46 PM

nickerj1: There's people that don't use TextSecure?

Next you'll be telling me there are farkers that don't use TrueCrypt!


Oh, also for the un-tech savvy. You can use RedPhone for your voice encryption on your android. That way they can't access the last x years of your phone records too (well they can, it'll just be encrypted wharggbl).
 
2012-12-04 01:21:47 PM
Do U Like Me?

__ YES

__ NO

_X EABOD
 
2012-12-04 01:24:46 PM
To combat this... one need only to send goofy, errant texts every day... e.g... "Today i will kill four dragons", or "hello Mr. Mujahideen. meet me at Taco Bell at 3:30".

... then once, under investigation, it will just a be a smattering of fake boasts and lies of a crazy person...certainly not admissable in court.
 
2012-12-04 01:26:15 PM
Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!
 
2012-12-04 01:30:06 PM
Oh great the GF and I have just hit the "send pictures of undergarments and genitals" phase in the relationship and now I read this.

//we both have verizon
FML
 
2012-12-04 01:33:28 PM
Texting is the biggest scam going. $10+ for texting? I use a LOT more bandwidth streaming HD pron on my phone.

I use a free text app, so my texts never hit my carriers server.

/sheesh
 
2012-12-04 01:37:18 PM

doczoidberg: Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!


The problem with those texts is that 99.99% of them look like the bodies at the jude beach. Baked but do not want.
 
2012-12-04 01:38:03 PM

frepnog: snocone: frepnog: I simply want the ability as the account holder to SEE every farking text sent on the website on a per-phone basis.

I have no idea why I can not.

One of the basic tennants of spookdom is never let the suckers know how much you know.
If you knew how detailed the report was, you would feel targeted.

that has nothing to do with anything. all i want is to be able to log into verizon's site and pull the txt logs on a per-phone basis. I pay the bill, I want to see what the hell is going on.


I agree.
 
2012-12-04 01:39:42 PM

BizarreMan: doczoidberg: Would it cool to have a job that would allow you to access all of those texts?

Oh, the nude pics you'd see!

The problem with those texts is that 99.99% of them look like the bodies at the jude beach. Baked but do not want.


Damn you auto correct. Nude beacon and naked
 
2012-12-04 01:44:10 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Egoy3k: Optimus Primate: Does it count when I use generic terms like "herb salad" when texting certain vendors?

We use the time honored method of discussing classic country and western singers such as Al Green and Hank Snow.

"Hey man Al's coming over tonight do you want to speak with him?"
"Yeah sure maybe for 5 or 10 minutes depending on the mood he is in."

Translation:

"I'm holding you want any?"
"Yes 5 or 10 depending on the price."

Unless your moving double digit pounds or kilos the govt doest really care. Hell these days many regular LE agencies arent going to waste thier time coming after you for a nickel or dime.

If they find it on you during a search, that may be a different story.


Yeah I was joking anyway. It wasn't a good joke. Hell I live in a province where a LEO at a roadside check discovered a man smoking a joint in the line of stopped cars asked him to put it out and sent him on his way.
 
2012-12-04 01:46:57 PM

NashMcNash: Pista: Do people still send texts?

Let me guess. There's some new hip thing that I've probably never heard of? I guess me and every single person I know will just have to wait until that new hip thing goes mainstream. By then, you'll be on to something else. Must be awesome being so advanced.


Yeah, texting is still the easy way to communicate. Quick, cheap and dirty. But I guess I could Tweet my message, and then call the intended recipient and let them know to check their Twitter account. I tried wuphf.com for awhile, but that never really caught on.
 
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