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(Telegraph)   Amsterdam to create "Scum Villages" where nuisance neighbors, anti-social tenants will be exiled from the city and housed in caravans or containers with minimal services under constant police supervision. Or as they're known in the US: Trailer parks   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 192
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2012-12-04 10:14:17 AM
Funny, I was just watching a movie about this just last night.
www.movieposterdb.com
 
2012-12-04 10:15:21 AM

JohnCarter: Coming this fall...to TLC...

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo - Amsterdam (now with more drugs and prostitution)

or as they say on the continent...

Hier komt Honing Boo Boo - Amsterdam


needs more umlauts. Not sure where, I'm pretty sure it's phonetically incorrect, but seems to me it should be "Bö Bö", or maybe "Bœ Bœ."
 
2012-12-04 10:15:42 AM

Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 620x387]

May as well completely Godwin this.

So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler?

He's the one (Geert Wilders) that proposed this plan.

FTA:"because the plan echoes a proposal from Geert Wilders"

Not his plan, he is against the modernday nazis, the religion of peace.


I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.
 
2012-12-04 10:16:39 AM

Carousel Beast: fyrewede: I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. This is behavior that goes beyond "being a jerk" and, to quote TFA, "reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality."

So, "you've committed no crime, but we're going to punish you anyway" ?

Despite your wall of text, I don't believe you've thought this through.


They aren't talking about forcing peopel who have bought their house or are paying rent to move.

Thsi is for people living off the govt dime.

I think if the govt is footingt he bill for you to live somewhere and you are a shiatty neighbor there is no reason the govt has to keep paying for you to live there.
 
2012-12-04 10:17:54 AM
You people do realize that this will become a ghetto for muslims and political dissidents right? And then it's going to catch on throughout Europe because the white people are tired of hearing the call to prayer.
 
2012-12-04 10:18:00 AM
Preview is your friend.


/harry brown.jpg
 
2012-12-04 10:18:12 AM
Does Copenhagen still have that hippie park? I think it was called Christiania ?
 
2012-12-04 10:19:50 AM
The Dutch aren't thinking this through. Why spend money on Scum Villages when you could simply charge nuisance neighbors higher taxes. "Your presence in this neighborhood lowers property values by 1000 Euros per year, so pay up, slimeball!" That way, the program pays for itself.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:54 AM
excellent display of reading comprehension fail and insipid commentary. bravo. a few of you have an excellent point. and as long as you wear a hat no one will notice. morans.

you're dealing with a progressive country that actually rehabilitates prisoners instead of warehousing them and turning them into musclebound maniacs hellbent on revenge.

it's obvious that occupants of this colony would be recidivists who have earned the right to be sequestered away from law abiding citizens. common sense would lend to thinking that if children were involved they would be placed into a safer environment for the time being.

with a constant heavy presence of law enforcement these ne'r-do-wells would slowly learn behavior modification. if they weren't raised well enough to know you don't crank the Sex Pistols at 4AM on a school night in the middle of an apartment complex they are sure to learn soon enough.

denied much more than the basics for hygienic survival the denizens of this monitored community would soon enough realize that only with good behavior will they be able to live elsewhere and be free to enjoy cell phones, cable television and have access to their favorite coffee shops, etcetera.

overall it's a very good idea. one more forward thinking step toward improving peoples lives. you can bet we won't be seeing this in America. hope this has cleared it up a little for the knuckle draggers.
 
2012-12-04 10:24:08 AM

liam76: Carousel Beast: fyrewede: I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. This is behavior that goes beyond "being a jerk" and, to quote TFA, "reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality."

So, "you've committed no crime, but we're going to punish you anyway" ?

Despite your wall of text, I don't believe you've thought this through.

They aren't talking about forcing peopel who have bought their house or are paying rent to move.

Thsi is for people living off the govt dime.

I think if the govt is footingt he bill for you to live somewhere and you are a shiatty neighbor there is no reason the govt has to keep paying for you to live there.


Great, force me to read the article.

Oh well, if it's public housing, the public gets to make the rules.

/And I was having so much fun writing snarky comments, too.
 
2012-12-04 10:26:09 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.


100x THIS

My neighbors drag their noisy, sweaty, naked arses to their hot tub every night and proceed to share their drunken racist ramblings with me and my wife since our family room is about 20 feet away from where they thought would be the best place to put their hot tub.

We turn up the TV and do our best to ignore them. Sooner or later one of his home "improvement" projects will cripple him and the nightmare will be over. Until then it's something we just deal with. It's not illegal to be a jerk.
 
2012-12-04 10:26:24 AM

Gordon Bennett: We call it Larkhall.


As a former Hamilton-dweller, all I can say, is the only place nastier than Hamilton is Larkhall. And even although i saw some seriously depraved acts of violence on multiple occasions in Hamilton, Larkhall has been in another league for decades. I felt less threatened doing door-to-door sales in the Red-Row in the 90's. No joke.
 
2012-12-04 10:26:41 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 620x387]

May as well completely Godwin this.

So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler?

He's the one (Geert Wilders) that proposed this plan.

FTA:"because the plan echoes a proposal from Geert Wilders"

Not his plan, he is against the modernday nazis, the religion of peace.

I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.


Since you put it like that, i can see your point
 
2012-12-04 10:27:06 AM
Ok, so I missed the public housing part.

Live in public housing, chances are you've made a few bad lifestyle choices.
 
2012-12-04 10:27:15 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: xanadian: You know who ELSE put their undesirables into confined areas!??

/yes, I know this thread has already been Godwinned

Well, they're essentially swamp Germans, so I see where you might be going with that....


Oy! - I oughta van der kick yer ass for that comment.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:06 AM
Or as they're known in the US: Trailer parks Washington, D.C.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:39 AM

Jarhead_h: You people do realize that this will become a ghetto for muslims and political dissidents right? And then it's going to catch on throughout Europe because the white people are tired of hearing the call to prayer.


Matbe they are just tired of shiat like this...
Link
The controversial Gullestrup (Herning) sex case will now be adjudicated by appeals court

Ahmed Mohammed Omar is attempting to have his sentence reduced for gross sex attacks in the Herning quarter of Gullestrup

The terrible case in which a young woman and two small girls living in the Gullestrup quarter were abused sexually by a 17-year-old Somali will go through the judicial machinery one more time. This will happen on Tuesday, when Vestre Landsret, Viborg commences the appeal proceedings.

Ahmed Omar Mohamed, now 18, wants to try to get the lower court's six-year prison sentence reduced. Not least, he hopes to have his deportation to Somalia cancelled, which he received on top of the prison sentence.

He was sentenced for using a knife to force a woman to have sexual intercourse and oral sex with him in a central Herning staircase.

Most startling, however, were the two violations which he undertook against two girls, 10 and 11, in November of last year. He touched them on a playground, then pulled them into a nearby wood. While one of the girls managed to escape, he was able to pull the other girl deeper into the wood.

There he made her undress herself and forced her to [engage in sex acts]. She was freed only when he heard other people in the wood.

Ahmed Omar Mohamed will have to expect a fight in court. The public prosecutor's mood towards him has not softened, on the contrary: he demands an even stiffer penalty.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:56 AM
By "scum villages" they meant happy camps!
 
2012-12-04 10:31:24 AM

there4igraham: Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.

100x THIS

My neighbors drag their noisy, sweaty, naked arses to their hot tub every night and proceed to share their drunken racist ramblings with me and my wife since our family room is about 20 feet away from where they thought would be the best place to put their hot tub.

We turn up the TV and do our best to ignore them. Sooner or later one of his home "improvement" projects will cripple him and the nightmare will be over. Until then it's something we just deal with. It's not illegal to be a jerk.


You should put bubble bath in his hot tub
 
2012-12-04 10:35:00 AM
A sort of camp where undesirables are concetrated, you say?
 
2012-12-04 10:38:22 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The project also involves setting up a special hotline and system for victims to report their problems to the authorities.

[10think.com image 472x339]

Got someone you don't like living in the neighborhood? A quick phone call can fix that right up for you.


arrived just for this -
 
2012-12-04 10:38:49 AM
seems like a great way to remove minorities from Amsterdam.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:03 AM

there4igraham: Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.

100x THIS

My neighbors drag their noisy, sweaty, naked arses to their hot tub every night and proceed to share their drunken racist ramblings with me and my wife since our family room is about 20 feet away from where they thought would be the best place to put their hot tub.

We turn up the TV and do our best to ignore them. Sooner or later one of his home "improvement" projects will cripple him and the nightmare will be over. Until then it's something we just deal with. It's not illegal to be a jerk.


I used to live next to renters who were "guest workers" from south of the border. 12-15 bodies in a 900 sq ft house with one bathroom, the place ran 24/7 . The worst was the blasting of that god awful polka music at 2AM right by my bedroom wall. Thank god the homeowner lost the house (pocketed the rent money) and split.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:38 AM
I decided to RTFA and it's pretty obvious that this is still a concentration camp for jerks. It could possibly work but I still believe that jerks are going to be jerks no matter how much you try to teach them not to be. Yes, it's a learned behavior but like racism it's not just something you can workshop. These people don't behave that way because they got a bum deal. They behave that way because they believe it's their God given right.
 
2012-12-04 10:44:07 AM

there4igraham: It's not illegal to be a jerk.


Do you not think that the world would be way cooler if all the jerks were locked up? No, you'd rather turn the other cheek. How about your neighbour stays 100% within the law, but is only just doing so, moreover he is doing it intentionally to be a jerk to you. There's no law against it, so either man/put/shut up, or go move to the country, raise some chickens.

There are humans on this earth who deliberately wanna fark with however they can - there's no law against being a jerk, so I'll just be one to whoever I want, for shyts and gyggles. There's malice involved, serious destructive behaviour, and you live there because, the only job you could find is there. Your nights are wrecked by a TV set on 24/7 at 2dB lower than the city ordinance. None of your complaints to the police are taken seriously, as the neighbour is always certain to be within the law. Your sleep patterns are farked, your works starts to suffer, you crash your car on the way to work as you nod off at the wheel. Your boss starts to suspect that you are on drugs because your appearance and tardiness. Your wife hasn't even offered you as much as a friendly handshake in months.

But Jesus would be proud, so you've got that going for ya. Which is nice.
 
2012-12-04 10:53:14 AM
SCUMFIGHTS!
 
2012-12-04 10:54:13 AM

uttertosh: there4igraham: It's not illegal to be a jerk.

Do you not think that the world would be way cooler if all the jerks were locked up? No, you'd rather turn the other cheek. How about your neighbour stays 100% within the law, but is only just doing so, moreover he is doing it intentionally to be a jerk to you. There's no law against it, so either man/put/shut up, or go move to the country, raise some chickens.

There are humans on this earth who deliberately wanna fark with however they can - there's no law against being a jerk, so I'll just be one to whoever I want, for shyts and gyggles. There's malice involved, serious destructive behaviour, and you live there because, the only job you could find is there. Your nights are wrecked by a TV set on 24/7 at 2dB lower than the city ordinance. None of your complaints to the police are taken seriously, as the neighbour is always certain to be within the law. Your sleep patterns are farked, your works starts to suffer, you crash your car on the way to work as you nod off at the wheel. Your boss starts to suspect that you are on drugs because your appearance and tardiness. Your wife hasn't even offered you as much as a friendly handshake in months.

But Jesus would be proud, so you've got that going for ya. Which is nice.


If a television being left on at night causes a loss of employment and the end of your marriage then I suspect that even the best neighbors in the world are going to be an issue for you.
 
2012-12-04 10:56:46 AM

KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.


They can't force you there, and they can't take away your rights. You're misunderstanding what is going on.

This is for people who are renting their apartment. If you can't behave according to the rules for your rented apartment, then you will be kicked out and offered another apartment in this special housing.

That's not force, you're still free to rent another apartment if anyone wants to put up with your shiat (not likely), you're still free to purchase a house you can fark up (yeah, theese people probably don't have any money) and you're obviously free to just be homeless.

Having an apartment provided for you on your terms is not a right. And since everyone is free to not take the offer and sort their living for themselves, there's no force either.
 
2012-12-04 10:56:56 AM
Bad neighbors have bad neighbors too.
 
2012-12-04 10:58:39 AM
Or one man's ceiling is another man's floor.

Something like that. A fantastically stupid idea in reality.
 
2012-12-04 11:01:21 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Does Copenhagen still have that hippie park? I think it was called Christiania ?


http://www.christiania.org/modules.php?name=Side&navn=linkeng

Sure. It's still popular with tourists who for some reason want to go and watch smelly hippies.

You can also purchase hash freely.
 
2012-12-04 11:01:43 AM
I assume it includes free rent and utilities?
 
2012-12-04 11:05:17 AM

uttertosh: there4igraham: It's not illegal to be a jerk.

Do you not think that the world would be way cooler if all the jerks were locked up?


Of course it's appealing. Who wouldn't want to live in a world where the jerks were removed? But it turns out that the answer is not "nobody": the jerks wouldn't. I'm not one of those people who thinks that the Golden Rule scales up to entire societies, but even with that influence removed, it still leaves the question: who is a jerk? How does one tell? Who indeed, and how indeed.

And that's why I can't go along with a system like this. It creates, essentially, a parallel system of ill-defined laws which can -and, therefore, will- be used arbitrarily. That's wrong, and because it's wrong, it should be avoided.
 
2012-12-04 11:07:07 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Makes for a kickass action movie setting
 
2012-12-04 11:08:21 AM
They're not all in trailer parks, submitter.
 
2012-12-04 11:15:04 AM
Like this?
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 11:16:30 AM
It's all fun and games until the Jew word starts showing up in the definitions
 
2012-12-04 11:17:45 AM

Egoy3k: If a television being left on at night causes a loss of employment and the end of your marriage then I suspect that even the best neighbors in the world are going to be an issue for you


Ah, so it's a snowflake issue!! Glad you sorted that out. Great. Maybe the Dutch just need to spend the same money on getting room heaters, just melt all those snowflakes right away.

Y'know how I know you have never come acros anyone antisocial evar? Because I have. A tv being left on one night, no worries. Awhole week, shiat, who hasn't? 24/7 2 years straight, plus parties, wifebeating, threats to my safety. None of which the cops could do annything about? Yeah, I went right ahead and moved to the country like a damned chicken. When it's the apartment above your oneroomer, and you're on nightshift, you really have no option, do ya? Go raise some chickens. Like the little douchefag you are, uttertosh, right?

/I'm a shark.
 
2012-12-04 11:21:09 AM
I thought the European equivalent of a trailer park was a gypsy village.

/if they're really that scummy and antisocial, they'll fit right in anyway
 
2012-12-04 11:22:01 AM
Don't these farkers ever go to the movies?
This never ends well.
 
2012-12-04 11:24:33 AM

there4igraham: I decided to RTFA and it's pretty obvious that this is still a concentration camp for jerks. It could possibly work but I still believe that jerks are going to be jerks no matter how much you try to teach them not to be. Yes, it's a learned behavior but like racism it's not just something you can workshop. These people don't behave that way because they got a bum deal. They behave that way because they believe it's their God given right.


First Jerk nominated for Mayor, Geert Wilders!
One look at the dweeb and I want to poke him in the eye.
 
2012-12-04 11:25:53 AM
Do they have wheels? 'Cause why the fark would I want a caravan thats got no wheels?
themovielists.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-04 11:26:41 AM
So...they're rounding up undesirables and putting them in camps? You know who else...ah, screw it.
 
2012-12-04 11:27:31 AM

Shakespeare's Monkey: The US thought of it first, so pay yer royalties, ya dutch b•stards!

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x307]

/thinks sheriff Joe is friggin crazy as hell


No.

i5.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-04 11:30:24 AM

veedeevadeevoodee: "scUM Villages" ... Or as they're known in the US: Ann Arbor



/ FTFY


Go Bucks!
 
2012-12-04 11:32:15 AM
The Dutch have gone crazy! Quick, everyone start taking notes... This could be valuable information.
 
2012-12-04 11:32:55 AM

Millennium: it still leaves the question: who is a jerk? How does one tell? Who indeed, and how indeed.


It's already well defined in the UK, I'm supposing that Holland has similarly easily distinguishable antisocial cliques who wear their antisocial behaviour court orders as badged of pride, status symbols of their quasianarchistic societal hatred. Thugs is their self-referential collectiive noun, with Chav being the public's preference. They have no interest in reform.

I guess what you are saying is that marginal cases may be wrongfully tarred with the same brush as a serial Thug. It simply does not happen - the type of persistent behaviours UK courts require to mount up before the first of three warnings before conviction, are pretty horrifying behaviours that no civilized person would have a problem avoiding repeating enough to be considered remotely antisocial in the eyes of the law.

Your concernss are valid, but already addressed.
 
2012-12-04 11:45:58 AM
Just wait til the Hipsters come in and gentrify it and the scum cant even afford to live in Scum Village anymore. They'll have to move to Cleveland.
 
2012-12-04 11:48:40 AM

Swoop1809: Just wait til the Hipsters come in and gentrify it and the scum cant even afford to live in Scum Village anymore. They'll have to move to Cleveland.


At least it's not Detroit.
 
2012-12-04 11:50:17 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Does Amsterdam have tornadoes?

Can't have a trailer park without tornadoes.


Build the trailer park and the tornadoes will come.
 
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