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(Telegraph)   Amsterdam to create "Scum Villages" where nuisance neighbors, anti-social tenants will be exiled from the city and housed in caravans or containers with minimal services under constant police supervision. Or as they're known in the US: Trailer parks   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 192
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2012-12-04 04:03:09 AM  
... and then we start cutting their rations.
 
2012-12-04 06:40:44 AM  
What's Dutch for Mos Eisley?
 
2012-12-04 07:02:02 AM  
Escape From New York: The Theme Park!
 
2012-12-04 07:51:33 AM  
Yeah, let's put all the undesireables into one place. It'll be easier to keep an eye on them that way. Nothing can go wrong.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-12-04 08:37:00 AM  
I thought we just called it Baltimore?
 
2012-12-04 08:38:26 AM  
Not enough meth for trailer parks.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:00 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I thought we just called it Baltimore?


This.
/moving there in a month
//Butcher Hill
///Oh God, what am I doing with my life?
///Natty Boh
 
2012-12-04 08:39:19 AM  
Does Amsterdam have tornadoes?

Can't have a trailer park without tornadoes.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:40 AM  
Tornado firing solution entered.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:44 AM  

pseudologue: This.
/moving there in a month
//Butcher Hill
///Oh God, what am I doing with my life?
///Natty Boh


There are small pockets of good areas, you just have to pay a lot to live there. I work in Hunt Valley but live all the way out in Frederick.
 
2012-12-04 08:40:18 AM  
The US thought of it first, so pay yer royalties, ya dutch b•stards!

i.telegraph.co.uk

/thinks sheriff Joe is friggin crazy as hell
 
2012-12-04 08:40:37 AM  
Will it include the special showers and sauna?
 
2012-12-04 08:41:56 AM  
Will they be periwinkle blue?

/got nothin'
 
2012-12-04 08:42:58 AM  
Great idea. I'm sure there will be warnings before they're finally sent there, so there's no-one to blame but themselves if it does happen.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:54 AM  
Or as they're already known in Europa: The Roma.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:41 AM  
First they came for the bad neighbors, and I said nothing because I hate living near bad neighbors and the scumbags get what they deserve, and I was happy.
 
2012-12-04 08:49:39 AM  
You know who ELSE put their undesirables into confined areas!??

/yes, I know this thread has already been Godwinned
 
2012-12-04 08:50:07 AM  
So Holland has a 47% too !
 
2012-12-04 08:51:21 AM  
Scum Village would be a cool band name.
 
2012-12-04 08:53:05 AM  
They made this same kind of thing as the basis behind the plot for:

www.traileraddict.com


So unless everybody flies away on their own spaceship into the sunset; I don't think this little social experiment is going to work too well.
 
2012-12-04 08:53:19 AM  
What if that becomes the area with the better restaurants, clubs and artists? I'd imagine it might backfire into a type of NYC where service caters to these types of people very well.

/Yes, I say this and I love NYC.
 
2012-12-04 08:53:37 AM  

pseudologue: ///Natty Boh


They still make that swill?

My aunt worked there for decades. She's gone now but my house is still has a lot of stuff from that company.
 
2012-12-04 08:53:44 AM  
"scUM Villages" ... Or as they're known in the US: Ann Arbor



/ FTFY
 
2012-12-04 08:53:57 AM  

doczoidberg: Scum Village would be a cool band name.


THIS
 
2012-12-04 08:54:33 AM  
This is a monumentally stupid idea.
 
2012-12-04 08:54:56 AM  

xanadian: You know who ELSE put their undesirables into confined areas!??

/yes, I know this thread has already been Godwinned


Thing is... that's exactly what the ghettos were when they opened.
 
2012-12-04 08:56:05 AM  
I hope they attach some sort of domestically made steering mechanism on them in case it floods.
 
2012-12-04 08:57:59 AM  
I wonder what the Dutch version of Section 8 is.
 
2012-12-04 08:58:39 AM  

beta_plus: I wonder what the Dutch version of Section 8 is.


New Amsterdam?
 
2012-12-04 08:58:46 AM  
It might sound nice until you realize that it gives the 80 year old that loves to biatch about everything all the power.
 
2012-12-04 08:59:03 AM  
These guys are not amused

www.duaneburnett.com
 
2012-12-04 08:59:19 AM  
media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-12-04 08:59:44 AM  

Egoy3k: This is a monumentally stupid idea.


Not as monumentally stupid as paying for peopel to be shiatty neighbors and harrass people in their neighborhood.
 
2012-12-04 09:01:11 AM  
We call it Larkhall.
 
2012-12-04 09:01:12 AM  
I read the article, but I haven't had my coffee yet, so I'm a bit confused. Are they talking about all undesirable neighbors, or just people who are in public housing already? The former is kind of creepy, but the latter totally make sense. If you want a free house you gotta behave, or you get a crappy free house.

/still socialist
//but do they get phones?!
 
2012-12-04 09:01:34 AM  
This will turn Amsterdam into a ghost town. It would be cheaper to move the minority good folk out and erect a fence around it.
 
2012-12-04 09:01:36 AM  

Makh: What if that becomes the area with the better restaurants, clubs and artists? I'd imagine it might backfire into a type of NYC where service caters to these types of people very well.

/Yes, I say this and I love NYC.


Ha.
 
2012-12-04 09:01:55 AM  
We will call the village "Australia." 

/it's traditional.
 
2012-12-04 09:03:01 AM  
Sounds like where Hiro lives
 
2012-12-04 09:06:45 AM  
Wouldn't that literally be a ghetto?
 
2012-12-04 09:08:20 AM  

bv2112: Wouldn't that literally be a ghetto?


Beat me to it.
 
2012-12-04 09:09:16 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Does Amsterdam have tornadoes

Natural Light?

Can't have a trailer park without tornadoes Natural Light

FTFY
 
2012-12-04 09:12:17 AM  

bv2112: Wouldn't that literally be a ghetto?


Not de jure, because it's only supposed to be temporary: it's more like a kind of really low-security prison. But we'll see how long "temporary" lasts when put to the tests; I suspect this thing will wind up as a de facto ghetto soon enough.

Personally, I'm horrified by this. Being a jerk should not be a crime.
 
2012-12-04 09:13:05 AM  
Saw the pic of Wilders. Thought it was an example of the kind of people they want to put in the villages.
 
2012-12-04 09:13:07 AM  
They haven't had trailer parks? Where do they do their tornado testing?
 
2012-12-04 09:13:32 AM  

doczoidberg: Scum Village would be a cool band name.


...led by Guybrush Threepwood.
 
2012-12-04 09:14:59 AM  
Will the tour bus go through there ??
 
2012-12-04 09:16:25 AM  
In ten years we'll be listening to music that came out of this place.
 
2012-12-04 09:16:49 AM  
Anti social tennants? The religion of peace will right at home
 
2012-12-04 09:18:40 AM  

Millennium: Being a jerk should not be a crime.


It should cost five dollars a month, definitely.
 
2012-12-04 09:21:33 AM  

bv2112: Wouldn't that literally be a ghetto?


yea... didn't some mustachioed historical figure try this out once upon a time....?
 
2012-12-04 09:22:39 AM  

Millennium: bv2112: Wouldn't that literally be a ghetto?

Not de jure, because it's only supposed to be temporary: it's more like a kind of really low-security prison. But we'll see how long "temporary" lasts when put to the tests; I suspect this thing will wind up as a de facto ghetto soon enough.

Personally, I'm horrified by this. Being a jerk should not be a crime.


I don't know - I mean I wouldnt want this to be the first option for dealing with a small group of people destroying the living conditions of an entire apartment/neighborhood but at the end of the line there should be something that can be done.
 
2012-12-04 09:24:40 AM  
Coming this fall...to TLC...

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo - Amsterdam (now with more drugs and prostitution)

or as they say on the continent...

Hier komt Honing Boo Boo - Amsterdam
 
2012-12-04 09:24:51 AM  
Either scum village will be an utter hell hole filled with the Dutch equivalent of Honey Boo Boo and white trash, or it will have the opposite effect where hipsters will purposely move there (like that one episode of King of the Hill where all the Hipsters moved into the hispanic neighborhood) and it will become the place to live, or, and kind of how I think it would happen, it would become a happy place to live as the only people sending others to Scum Village will be people who look down upon others for what ever reason, people who have to have their nose in everyone else's business, HOA authoritarian types, bigots who don't want to live next to "those people", religious nut jobs who condemn those of other religions, so on and so fourth.
 
2012-12-04 09:25:36 AM  

Millennium: Not de jure, because it's only supposed to be temporary: it's more like a kind of really low-security prison.


That's exactly what the Warsaw Ghetto was.
 
2012-12-04 09:26:42 AM  
I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.
 
2012-12-04 09:27:03 AM  

robbiex0r: bv2112: Wouldn't that literally be a ghetto?

yea... didn't some mustachioed historical figure try this out once upon a time....?


It was really more of a Hans Frank thing. The actual ghettos sprung up accidentally, mainly because the Nazis didn't excel at planning ahead.
 
2012-12-04 09:29:02 AM  
Who gets to decide who is undesirable enough? Can you get your neighbor sent there because you don't like him? Or does there have to be proof of asshattary?
 
2012-12-04 09:30:05 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I thought we just called it Baltimore?


Hell, I thought we called them "cities."
 
2012-12-04 09:32:56 AM  
The project also involves setting up a special hotline and system for victims to report their problems to the authorities.

10think.com

Got someone you don't like living in the neighborhood? A quick phone call can fix that right up for you.
 
2012-12-04 09:35:38 AM  

This text is now purple: Millennium: Not de jure, because it's only supposed to be temporary: it's more like a kind of really low-security prison.

That's exactly what the Warsaw Ghetto was.


Then it stopped being temporary, just as I suspect the scum village will.
 
2012-12-04 09:35:42 AM  
It would be a wasted opportunity if they did not call this Hamsterdam.
 
2012-12-04 09:38:12 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.


The thing about politics is that it's not really a spectrum: it's a circle. Take the left and right wings out far enough, and they meet up on the opposite end from moderate: "antimoderate", if you will, or perhaps just "narking futs." It can get really confusing, but it's how you get the occasional case of strange bedfellows.
 
2012-12-04 09:39:14 AM  

Millennium: KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.

The thing about politics is that it's not really a spectrum: it's a circle. Take the left and right wings out far enough, and they meet up on the opposite end from moderate: "antimoderate", if you will, or perhaps just "narking futs." It can get really confusing, but it's how you get the occasional case of strange bedfellows.


Like the hard left and jihadis today
 
2012-12-04 09:40:33 AM  

liam76: Egoy3k: This is a monumentally stupid idea.

Not as monumentally stupid as paying for peopel to be shiatty neighbors and harrass people in their neighborhood.


I live in an apartment building. I have asshole neighbors so you can be assured that I know what it's like to live near assholes. It's still a bad idea to concentrate these people. Sure it looks fine on paper but these people have children (usually too many of them) and those children are going to be living in these 'scum villages' too. Why should children be made to suffer inhumane treatment because their parents are assholes? It won't break the cycle of poverty and stupidity if anything it will increase the likelihood that children will fall into the same patterns of behavior that got their parents into the villages in the first place. Any measures taken to deal with this sort of behavior should have an ultimate goal of reducing the need for such measures. This seems like a step in the wrong direction.

What should happen is that we should all stop being pushovers for this sort of thing. When people behave improperly call them on it, if that fails report them to your landlord, or call the police when necessary. I've personally dealt with many issues in my current situation and never felt the need to mention it to my landlord or the police. Most of the time all it takes is an explanation that they behavior is inconveniencing others.
 
2012-12-04 09:40:53 AM  

Joe Blowme: Anti social tennants? The religion of peace will right at home


upload.wikimedia.org

Wants to be left out of this.
 
2012-12-04 09:43:33 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The project also involves setting up a special hotline and system for victims to report their problems to the authorities.

[10think.com image 472x339]

Got someone you don't like living in the neighborhood? A quick phone call can fix that right up for you.


Except instead of targeting specific groups based on their religion, ethnicity or sexuality, they'd be targeting douchebag neighbors. I'm OK with this.

/No, I'm not serious.
 
2012-12-04 09:44:30 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Some please tell me that this is just a very tasteless Onion article.
 
2012-12-04 09:45:46 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: There are small pockets of good areas, you just have to pay a lot to live there. I work in Hunt Valley but live all the way out in Frederick.


Yeah, there are good places. I grew up in Jefferson... Small place, nice and quiet, lots of farms. Around Frederick you have your pick of small (Jefferson, Feagaville, Myersville) and medium (Walkersville, Middletown) places. It's a pretty great area.
 
2012-12-04 09:45:52 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.


Sadly, politics cannot be easily collapsed into a one-dimensional continuum.
 
2012-12-04 09:47:41 AM  
For those who might have wondered what the "South facing garden" refers to.... in the densely populated countries of Northern Europe, most people don't have a yard, and those that do tend to have a postage-stamp sized thingy in back of the house/apartment. South or Southwest facing yards and balconies are prized as they offer a bit more sunlight.
 
2012-12-04 09:49:20 AM  
I live in Scum Village Heights, thank you very much.

Extends pinky, sips MD 20/20.
 
2012-12-04 09:50:20 AM  

Millennium:

Personally, I'm horrified by this. Being a jerk should not be a crime.


I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. This is behavior that goes beyond "being a jerk" and, to quote TFA, "reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality."

If you've ever lived with someone with a personality disorder (especially anti-social PD), you'll have some grasp of what a nightmare that can be, even if physical violence never occurs.

Working 5+ years in Corrections gave me a much more realistic grasp of just what types of people can change, and how much (or in some cases, how little) certain types of people can change.

Those with personality disorders frequently require *years* of therapy, and even if they commit to that and acknowledge that they need to change, there is no guarantee they won't backslide and no guarantee they won't get worse.

I actually kind of agree that those who are polite, kind, help others, and try to get along with our neighbors should not have to be endlessly at the mercy of those whose sole concern is themselves and getting their own wants and needs gratified, regardless of the impact to others. I'm just not sure this is the answer (as appealing as it sounds at first glance).

The problem is they're not all walking around with "A--hole!" or "Potential Serial Killer" tattooed on their foreheads either. Some of them are what we call high-functioning sociopaths -- they blend in nicely because they're good at putting on the appearance of propriety and covering their arses. These people often make it to the top of corporate ranks because they don't care who they step on to get there.

The main reason this proposition is likely doomed to failure is that it would either have to discriminate against people who don't have young children, or risk subjecting the innocent children of rude/manipulative/deceptive parents to a life surrounded by dysfunctional people.

I also have a life-sized picture of Social Worker X and/or Policeman Y getting kickbacks from Persons A, B, and C to allow them to "escape" and move to another city. I also have a life-sized picture of the system turning a blind eye to a wealthy or powerful individual, no matter HOW obnoxious they are to others. Of course, a wealthy/powerful person would likely simply leave the country rather than be relegated to one of these scum villages.
 
2012-12-04 09:51:59 AM  
i50.tinypic.com

May as well completely Godwin this.
 
2012-12-04 09:52:28 AM  

xanadian: You know who ELSE put their undesirables into confined areas!??

/yes, I know this thread has already been Godwinned


Well, they're essentially swamp Germans, so I see where you might be going with that....
 
2012-12-04 09:53:07 AM  
When mega white people start forcing people into ghettos you better watch out.
 
2012-12-04 09:53:12 AM  

Son of Thunder: KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.

Sadly, politics cannot be easily collapsed into a one-dimensional continuum.



This is definitely somewhere around the back where the circle meets. They should monetize this as a reality show. I'd totally like to watch "Scum Village Housewives" every week.
 
2012-12-04 09:53:20 AM  

Egoy3k: liam76: Egoy3k: This is a monumentally stupid idea.

Not as monumentally stupid as paying for peopel to be shiatty neighbors and harrass people in their neighborhood.

I live in an apartment building. I have asshole neighbors so you can be assured that I know what it's like to live near assholes. It's still a bad idea to concentrate these people. Sure it looks fine on paper but these people have children (usually too many of them) and those children are going to be living in these 'scum villages' too. Why should children be made to suffer inhumane treatment because their parents are assholes? It won't break the cycle of poverty and stupidity if anything it will increase the likelihood that children will fall into the same patterns of behavior that got their parents into the villages in the first place. Any measures taken to deal with this sort of behavior should have an ultimate goal of reducing the need for such measures. This seems like a step in the wrong direction.


I would be against it if they have kids.


Egoy3k: What should happen is that we should all stop being pushovers for this sort of thing. When people behave improperly call them on it, if that fails report them to your landlord, or call the police when necessary. I've personally dealt with many issues in my current situation and never felt the need to mention it to my landlord or the police. Most of the time all it takes is an explanation that they behavior is inconveniencing others


I don't know how bad these areas are but there are place where calling assholes on being asshoels can get your ass kicked.

As far as landlords if this is govt housing I don't know if there is alandlord, or if they have the power to boot them out.

As for the police these seem to be things that don't rise to the level of arrest or even ticketing, but that doesn't mean it isn't problem.

It seems like this is a problem Amterdam has been grappling with for quite some time, and in principle there is nothing immoral abotu it, and in practice (depending on the execution) it could work.
 
2012-12-04 09:54:24 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 620x387]

May as well completely Godwin this.


So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler? WOW, you will make a good dhimmi.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:44 AM  

Egoy3k: liam76: Egoy3k: This is a monumentally stupid idea.

Not as monumentally stupid as paying for peopel to be shiatty neighbors and harrass people in their neighborhood.

I live in an apartment building. I have asshole neighbors so you can be assured that I know what it's like to live near assholes. It's still a bad idea to concentrate these people. Sure it looks fine on paper but these people have children (usually too many of them) and those children are going to be living in these 'scum villages' too. Why should children be made to suffer inhumane treatment because their parents are assholes? It won't break the cycle of poverty and stupidity if anything it will increase the likelihood that children will fall into the same patterns of behavior that got their parents into the villages in the first place. Any measures taken to deal with this sort of behavior should have an ultimate goal of reducing the need for such measures. This seems like a step in the wrong direction.

What should happen is that we should all stop being pushovers for this sort of thing. When people behave improperly call them on it, if that fails report them to your landlord, or call the police when necessary. I've personally dealt with many issues in my current situation and never felt the need to mention it to my landlord or the police. Most of the time all it takes is an explanation that they behavior is inconveniencing others.


I don't think there's anything we can do to avoid having the children suffer for the wrongs of the parents. Are the children not going to suffer because the parents keep getting kicked out of where they are living?

I think this has the potential to go good or go bad and without trying it I don't think we can say what the result will be.

As it stands now bad behavior usually has minimal consequences, there's little incentive to shape up. This might provide the incentive.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:56 AM  

Joe Blowme: Anti social tennants? The religion of peace will right at home


veedeevadeevoodee: "scUM Villages" ... Or as they're known in the US: Ann Arbor TEXAS



/ FTFY

/FTFY
 
2012-12-04 09:57:32 AM  
Occupy Wall Street was the first thing that came to my mind.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:04 AM  
Divide and conquer. Well, not conquer but one problem family/person is easier to deal with than a rabble.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:29 AM  

namegoeshere: Who gets to decide who is undesirable enough? Can you get your neighbor sent there because you don't like him? Or does there have to be proof of asshattary?


There will be a tribunal with torture.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:36 AM  

Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 620x387]

May as well completely Godwin this.

So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler? WOW, you will make a good dhimmi.


It's not fascism it's social conservatism.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:44 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: pseudologue: This.
/moving there in a month
//Butcher Hill
///Oh God, what am I doing with my life?
///Natty Boh

There are small pockets of good areas, you just have to pay a lot to live there. I work in Hunt Valley but live all the way out in Frederick.


everyone I've met who lived in baltimore said they loved it. that's probably less than half a dozen people... but, it can't be that bad. it is a city, all city's have something to offer, or no one would live there.
 
2012-12-04 10:00:07 AM  
Nazi ghettos for the anti social!
 
2012-12-04 10:00:33 AM  
www.timdrussell.com

Living the dream.
 
2012-12-04 10:00:59 AM  

Joe Blowme: So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler? WOW, you will make a good dhimmi.


Nah. Anti-Racist Action, Antifa, and UAF provide valuable services to the community and groups such as the Golden Dawn, National Front, BNP, EDL, neo-nazis, and the Republican party deserve more than a few good kicks.

ima turkey: Occupy Wall Street was the first thing that came to my mind.


Just plain Wall Street was mine.
 
2012-12-04 10:01:39 AM  
Final solution!
 
2012-12-04 10:02:36 AM  
Bravo subby.
 
2012-12-04 10:03:46 AM  
I kind of like this idea.

skinink: First they came for the bad neighbors, and I said nothing because I hate living near bad neighbors and the scumbags get what they deserve, and I was happy.


Then normal folks could relax and property values soared...

This seems pretty awesome because most people live near at least one jerk that treats their neighborhood like a cheap prostitute. The problem is that this is just how they are and that temporary residence becomes permanent because these people will always be jerks. It will start with just the obnoxious jerks and will eventually be broadened to include the poor and lazy. Crime will soar and spread.

I know people hate HOA's but it's the solution to this problem. People who don't want to to deal with the ridiculous rules can simply live elsewhere.
 
2012-12-04 10:04:06 AM  

Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 620x387]

May as well completely Godwin this.

So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler?


He's the one (Geert Wilders) that proposed this plan.
 
2012-12-04 10:05:10 AM  
New guests for his show.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-04 10:06:52 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 620x387]

May as well completely Godwin this.

So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler?

He's the one (Geert Wilders) that proposed this plan.


FTA:"because the plan echoes a proposal from Geert Wilders"

Not his plan, he is against the modernday nazis, the religion of peace.
 
2012-12-04 10:06:56 AM  

treesloth: Yeah, there are good places. I grew up in Jefferson... Small place, nice and quiet, lots of farms. Around Frederick you have your pick of small (Jefferson, Feagaville, Myersville) and medium (Walkersville, Middletown) places. It's a pretty great area.


Middletown is the new it town for the wealthy. My roommate is looking at a really old house there and they're asking a lot and it still needs a ton of work done to it.

pute kisses like a man: everyone I've met who lived in baltimore said they loved it. that's probably less than half a dozen people... but, it can't be that bad. it is a city, all city's have something to offer, or no one would live there.


People are typically not very smart
 
2012-12-04 10:09:19 AM  

Son of Thunder: KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.

Sadly, politics cannot be easily collapsed into a one-dimensional continuum.


Well, the Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg) students I met this fall are blaming the right-wingers. They're wagering that the primary people to be put here are going to be people that immigrated from Eastern Europe. There's a hard right faction (in the student's minds) driving this.
 
2012-12-04 10:10:57 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The project also involves setting up a special hotline and system for victims to report their problems to the authorities.

[10think.com image 472x339]

Got someone you don't like living in the neighborhood? A quick phone call can fix that right up for you.


Since antisocial people need to eat somewhere:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 10:11:42 AM  

fyrewede: I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. This is behavior that goes beyond "being a jerk" and, to quote TFA, "reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality."


So, "you've committed no crime, but we're going to punish you anyway" ?

Despite your wall of text, I don't believe you've thought this through.
 
2012-12-04 10:12:05 AM  

Makh: beta_plus: I wonder what the Dutch version of Section 8 is.

New Amsterdam?


Old New York?
 
2012-12-04 10:14:17 AM  
Funny, I was just watching a movie about this just last night.
www.movieposterdb.com
 
2012-12-04 10:15:21 AM  

JohnCarter: Coming this fall...to TLC...

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo - Amsterdam (now with more drugs and prostitution)

or as they say on the continent...

Hier komt Honing Boo Boo - Amsterdam


needs more umlauts. Not sure where, I'm pretty sure it's phonetically incorrect, but seems to me it should be "Bö Bö", or maybe "Bœ Bœ."
 
2012-12-04 10:15:42 AM  

Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 620x387]

May as well completely Godwin this.

So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler?

He's the one (Geert Wilders) that proposed this plan.

FTA:"because the plan echoes a proposal from Geert Wilders"

Not his plan, he is against the modernday nazis, the religion of peace.


I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.
 
2012-12-04 10:16:39 AM  

Carousel Beast: fyrewede: I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. This is behavior that goes beyond "being a jerk" and, to quote TFA, "reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality."

So, "you've committed no crime, but we're going to punish you anyway" ?

Despite your wall of text, I don't believe you've thought this through.


They aren't talking about forcing peopel who have bought their house or are paying rent to move.

Thsi is for people living off the govt dime.

I think if the govt is footingt he bill for you to live somewhere and you are a shiatty neighbor there is no reason the govt has to keep paying for you to live there.
 
2012-12-04 10:17:54 AM  
You people do realize that this will become a ghetto for muslims and political dissidents right? And then it's going to catch on throughout Europe because the white people are tired of hearing the call to prayer.
 
2012-12-04 10:18:00 AM  
Preview is your friend.


/harry brown.jpg
 
2012-12-04 10:18:12 AM  
Does Copenhagen still have that hippie park? I think it was called Christiania ?
 
2012-12-04 10:19:50 AM  
The Dutch aren't thinking this through. Why spend money on Scum Villages when you could simply charge nuisance neighbors higher taxes. "Your presence in this neighborhood lowers property values by 1000 Euros per year, so pay up, slimeball!" That way, the program pays for itself.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:54 AM  
excellent display of reading comprehension fail and insipid commentary. bravo. a few of you have an excellent point. and as long as you wear a hat no one will notice. morans.

you're dealing with a progressive country that actually rehabilitates prisoners instead of warehousing them and turning them into musclebound maniacs hellbent on revenge.

it's obvious that occupants of this colony would be recidivists who have earned the right to be sequestered away from law abiding citizens. common sense would lend to thinking that if children were involved they would be placed into a safer environment for the time being.

with a constant heavy presence of law enforcement these ne'r-do-wells would slowly learn behavior modification. if they weren't raised well enough to know you don't crank the Sex Pistols at 4AM on a school night in the middle of an apartment complex they are sure to learn soon enough.

denied much more than the basics for hygienic survival the denizens of this monitored community would soon enough realize that only with good behavior will they be able to live elsewhere and be free to enjoy cell phones, cable television and have access to their favorite coffee shops, etcetera.

overall it's a very good idea. one more forward thinking step toward improving peoples lives. you can bet we won't be seeing this in America. hope this has cleared it up a little for the knuckle draggers.
 
2012-12-04 10:24:08 AM  

liam76: Carousel Beast: fyrewede: I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. This is behavior that goes beyond "being a jerk" and, to quote TFA, "reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality."

So, "you've committed no crime, but we're going to punish you anyway" ?

Despite your wall of text, I don't believe you've thought this through.

They aren't talking about forcing peopel who have bought their house or are paying rent to move.

Thsi is for people living off the govt dime.

I think if the govt is footingt he bill for you to live somewhere and you are a shiatty neighbor there is no reason the govt has to keep paying for you to live there.


Great, force me to read the article.

Oh well, if it's public housing, the public gets to make the rules.

/And I was having so much fun writing snarky comments, too.
 
2012-12-04 10:26:09 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.


100x THIS

My neighbors drag their noisy, sweaty, naked arses to their hot tub every night and proceed to share their drunken racist ramblings with me and my wife since our family room is about 20 feet away from where they thought would be the best place to put their hot tub.

We turn up the TV and do our best to ignore them. Sooner or later one of his home "improvement" projects will cripple him and the nightmare will be over. Until then it's something we just deal with. It's not illegal to be a jerk.
 
2012-12-04 10:26:24 AM  

Gordon Bennett: We call it Larkhall.


As a former Hamilton-dweller, all I can say, is the only place nastier than Hamilton is Larkhall. And even although i saw some seriously depraved acts of violence on multiple occasions in Hamilton, Larkhall has been in another league for decades. I felt less threatened doing door-to-door sales in the Red-Row in the 90's. No joke.
 
2012-12-04 10:26:41 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Joe Blowme: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 620x387]

May as well completely Godwin this.

So people who fight modernday fascism are hitler?

He's the one (Geert Wilders) that proposed this plan.

FTA:"because the plan echoes a proposal from Geert Wilders"

Not his plan, he is against the modernday nazis, the religion of peace.

I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.


Since you put it like that, i can see your point
 
2012-12-04 10:27:06 AM  
Ok, so I missed the public housing part.

Live in public housing, chances are you've made a few bad lifestyle choices.
 
2012-12-04 10:27:15 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: xanadian: You know who ELSE put their undesirables into confined areas!??

/yes, I know this thread has already been Godwinned

Well, they're essentially swamp Germans, so I see where you might be going with that....


Oy! - I oughta van der kick yer ass for that comment.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:06 AM  
Or as they're known in the US: Trailer parks Washington, D.C.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:39 AM  

Jarhead_h: You people do realize that this will become a ghetto for muslims and political dissidents right? And then it's going to catch on throughout Europe because the white people are tired of hearing the call to prayer.


Matbe they are just tired of shiat like this...
Link
The controversial Gullestrup (Herning) sex case will now be adjudicated by appeals court

Ahmed Mohammed Omar is attempting to have his sentence reduced for gross sex attacks in the Herning quarter of Gullestrup

The terrible case in which a young woman and two small girls living in the Gullestrup quarter were abused sexually by a 17-year-old Somali will go through the judicial machinery one more time. This will happen on Tuesday, when Vestre Landsret, Viborg commences the appeal proceedings.

Ahmed Omar Mohamed, now 18, wants to try to get the lower court's six-year prison sentence reduced. Not least, he hopes to have his deportation to Somalia cancelled, which he received on top of the prison sentence.

He was sentenced for using a knife to force a woman to have sexual intercourse and oral sex with him in a central Herning staircase.

Most startling, however, were the two violations which he undertook against two girls, 10 and 11, in November of last year. He touched them on a playground, then pulled them into a nearby wood. While one of the girls managed to escape, he was able to pull the other girl deeper into the wood.

There he made her undress herself and forced her to [engage in sex acts]. She was freed only when he heard other people in the wood.

Ahmed Omar Mohamed will have to expect a fight in court. The public prosecutor's mood towards him has not softened, on the contrary: he demands an even stiffer penalty.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:56 AM  
By "scum villages" they meant happy camps!
 
2012-12-04 10:31:24 AM  

there4igraham: Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.

100x THIS

My neighbors drag their noisy, sweaty, naked arses to their hot tub every night and proceed to share their drunken racist ramblings with me and my wife since our family room is about 20 feet away from where they thought would be the best place to put their hot tub.

We turn up the TV and do our best to ignore them. Sooner or later one of his home "improvement" projects will cripple him and the nightmare will be over. Until then it's something we just deal with. It's not illegal to be a jerk.


You should put bubble bath in his hot tub
 
2012-12-04 10:35:00 AM  
A sort of camp where undesirables are concetrated, you say?
 
2012-12-04 10:38:22 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The project also involves setting up a special hotline and system for victims to report their problems to the authorities.

[10think.com image 472x339]

Got someone you don't like living in the neighborhood? A quick phone call can fix that right up for you.


arrived just for this -
 
2012-12-04 10:38:49 AM  
seems like a great way to remove minorities from Amsterdam.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:03 AM  

there4igraham: Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
I would say any plan to isolate 'nuisance neighbors or anti-social people' is pretty fascist.
I find that a large amount of humans are a nuisance. You learn to ignore them.
I have a few neighbors that pretty much jerks. It is what it is. It's what happens when you decide to live in an area where you are in close proximity to other people.
If someone is a criminal, then they should be arrested, given a trial, and punished accordingly.
If they are just a nuisance, then get over it, or move to out to the country and raise chickens.

100x THIS

My neighbors drag their noisy, sweaty, naked arses to their hot tub every night and proceed to share their drunken racist ramblings with me and my wife since our family room is about 20 feet away from where they thought would be the best place to put their hot tub.

We turn up the TV and do our best to ignore them. Sooner or later one of his home "improvement" projects will cripple him and the nightmare will be over. Until then it's something we just deal with. It's not illegal to be a jerk.


I used to live next to renters who were "guest workers" from south of the border. 12-15 bodies in a 900 sq ft house with one bathroom, the place ran 24/7 . The worst was the blasting of that god awful polka music at 2AM right by my bedroom wall. Thank god the homeowner lost the house (pocketed the rent money) and split.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:38 AM  
I decided to RTFA and it's pretty obvious that this is still a concentration camp for jerks. It could possibly work but I still believe that jerks are going to be jerks no matter how much you try to teach them not to be. Yes, it's a learned behavior but like racism it's not just something you can workshop. These people don't behave that way because they got a bum deal. They behave that way because they believe it's their God given right.
 
2012-12-04 10:44:07 AM  

there4igraham: It's not illegal to be a jerk.


Do you not think that the world would be way cooler if all the jerks were locked up? No, you'd rather turn the other cheek. How about your neighbour stays 100% within the law, but is only just doing so, moreover he is doing it intentionally to be a jerk to you. There's no law against it, so either man/put/shut up, or go move to the country, raise some chickens.

There are humans on this earth who deliberately wanna fark with however they can - there's no law against being a jerk, so I'll just be one to whoever I want, for shyts and gyggles. There's malice involved, serious destructive behaviour, and you live there because, the only job you could find is there. Your nights are wrecked by a TV set on 24/7 at 2dB lower than the city ordinance. None of your complaints to the police are taken seriously, as the neighbour is always certain to be within the law. Your sleep patterns are farked, your works starts to suffer, you crash your car on the way to work as you nod off at the wheel. Your boss starts to suspect that you are on drugs because your appearance and tardiness. Your wife hasn't even offered you as much as a friendly handshake in months.

But Jesus would be proud, so you've got that going for ya. Which is nice.
 
2012-12-04 10:53:14 AM  
SCUMFIGHTS!
 
2012-12-04 10:54:13 AM  

uttertosh: there4igraham: It's not illegal to be a jerk.

Do you not think that the world would be way cooler if all the jerks were locked up? No, you'd rather turn the other cheek. How about your neighbour stays 100% within the law, but is only just doing so, moreover he is doing it intentionally to be a jerk to you. There's no law against it, so either man/put/shut up, or go move to the country, raise some chickens.

There are humans on this earth who deliberately wanna fark with however they can - there's no law against being a jerk, so I'll just be one to whoever I want, for shyts and gyggles. There's malice involved, serious destructive behaviour, and you live there because, the only job you could find is there. Your nights are wrecked by a TV set on 24/7 at 2dB lower than the city ordinance. None of your complaints to the police are taken seriously, as the neighbour is always certain to be within the law. Your sleep patterns are farked, your works starts to suffer, you crash your car on the way to work as you nod off at the wheel. Your boss starts to suspect that you are on drugs because your appearance and tardiness. Your wife hasn't even offered you as much as a friendly handshake in months.

But Jesus would be proud, so you've got that going for ya. Which is nice.


If a television being left on at night causes a loss of employment and the end of your marriage then I suspect that even the best neighbors in the world are going to be an issue for you.
 
2012-12-04 10:56:46 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.


They can't force you there, and they can't take away your rights. You're misunderstanding what is going on.

This is for people who are renting their apartment. If you can't behave according to the rules for your rented apartment, then you will be kicked out and offered another apartment in this special housing.

That's not force, you're still free to rent another apartment if anyone wants to put up with your shiat (not likely), you're still free to purchase a house you can fark up (yeah, theese people probably don't have any money) and you're obviously free to just be homeless.

Having an apartment provided for you on your terms is not a right. And since everyone is free to not take the offer and sort their living for themselves, there's no force either.
 
2012-12-04 10:56:56 AM  
Bad neighbors have bad neighbors too.
 
2012-12-04 10:58:39 AM  
Or one man's ceiling is another man's floor.

Something like that. A fantastically stupid idea in reality.
 
2012-12-04 11:01:21 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Does Copenhagen still have that hippie park? I think it was called Christiania ?


http://www.christiania.org/modules.php?name=Side&navn=linkeng

Sure. It's still popular with tourists who for some reason want to go and watch smelly hippies.

You can also purchase hash freely.
 
2012-12-04 11:01:43 AM  
I assume it includes free rent and utilities?
 
2012-12-04 11:05:17 AM  

uttertosh: there4igraham: It's not illegal to be a jerk.

Do you not think that the world would be way cooler if all the jerks were locked up?


Of course it's appealing. Who wouldn't want to live in a world where the jerks were removed? But it turns out that the answer is not "nobody": the jerks wouldn't. I'm not one of those people who thinks that the Golden Rule scales up to entire societies, but even with that influence removed, it still leaves the question: who is a jerk? How does one tell? Who indeed, and how indeed.

And that's why I can't go along with a system like this. It creates, essentially, a parallel system of ill-defined laws which can -and, therefore, will- be used arbitrarily. That's wrong, and because it's wrong, it should be avoided.
 
2012-12-04 11:07:07 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Makes for a kickass action movie setting
 
2012-12-04 11:08:21 AM  
They're not all in trailer parks, submitter.
 
2012-12-04 11:15:04 AM  
Like this?
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 11:16:30 AM  
It's all fun and games until the Jew word starts showing up in the definitions
 
2012-12-04 11:17:45 AM  

Egoy3k: If a television being left on at night causes a loss of employment and the end of your marriage then I suspect that even the best neighbors in the world are going to be an issue for you


Ah, so it's a snowflake issue!! Glad you sorted that out. Great. Maybe the Dutch just need to spend the same money on getting room heaters, just melt all those snowflakes right away.

Y'know how I know you have never come acros anyone antisocial evar? Because I have. A tv being left on one night, no worries. Awhole week, shiat, who hasn't? 24/7 2 years straight, plus parties, wifebeating, threats to my safety. None of which the cops could do annything about? Yeah, I went right ahead and moved to the country like a damned chicken. When it's the apartment above your oneroomer, and you're on nightshift, you really have no option, do ya? Go raise some chickens. Like the little douchefag you are, uttertosh, right?

/I'm a shark.
 
2012-12-04 11:21:09 AM  
I thought the European equivalent of a trailer park was a gypsy village.

/if they're really that scummy and antisocial, they'll fit right in anyway
 
2012-12-04 11:22:01 AM  
Don't these farkers ever go to the movies?
This never ends well.
 
2012-12-04 11:24:33 AM  

there4igraham: I decided to RTFA and it's pretty obvious that this is still a concentration camp for jerks. It could possibly work but I still believe that jerks are going to be jerks no matter how much you try to teach them not to be. Yes, it's a learned behavior but like racism it's not just something you can workshop. These people don't behave that way because they got a bum deal. They behave that way because they believe it's their God given right.


First Jerk nominated for Mayor, Geert Wilders!
One look at the dweeb and I want to poke him in the eye.
 
2012-12-04 11:25:53 AM  
Do they have wheels? 'Cause why the fark would I want a caravan thats got no wheels?
themovielists.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-04 11:26:41 AM  
So...they're rounding up undesirables and putting them in camps? You know who else...ah, screw it.
 
2012-12-04 11:27:31 AM  

Shakespeare's Monkey: The US thought of it first, so pay yer royalties, ya dutch b•stards!

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x307]

/thinks sheriff Joe is friggin crazy as hell


No.

i5.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-04 11:30:24 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: "scUM Villages" ... Or as they're known in the US: Ann Arbor



/ FTFY


Go Bucks!
 
2012-12-04 11:32:15 AM  
The Dutch have gone crazy! Quick, everyone start taking notes... This could be valuable information.
 
2012-12-04 11:32:55 AM  

Millennium: it still leaves the question: who is a jerk? How does one tell? Who indeed, and how indeed.


It's already well defined in the UK, I'm supposing that Holland has similarly easily distinguishable antisocial cliques who wear their antisocial behaviour court orders as badged of pride, status symbols of their quasianarchistic societal hatred. Thugs is their self-referential collectiive noun, with Chav being the public's preference. They have no interest in reform.

I guess what you are saying is that marginal cases may be wrongfully tarred with the same brush as a serial Thug. It simply does not happen - the type of persistent behaviours UK courts require to mount up before the first of three warnings before conviction, are pretty horrifying behaviours that no civilized person would have a problem avoiding repeating enough to be considered remotely antisocial in the eyes of the law.

Your concernss are valid, but already addressed.
 
2012-12-04 11:45:58 AM  
Just wait til the Hipsters come in and gentrify it and the scum cant even afford to live in Scum Village anymore. They'll have to move to Cleveland.
 
2012-12-04 11:48:40 AM  

Swoop1809: Just wait til the Hipsters come in and gentrify it and the scum cant even afford to live in Scum Village anymore. They'll have to move to Cleveland.


At least it's not Detroit.
 
2012-12-04 11:50:17 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Does Amsterdam have tornadoes?

Can't have a trailer park without tornadoes.


Build the trailer park and the tornadoes will come.
 
2012-12-04 11:51:44 AM  

Raider_dad: [www.timdrussell.com image 450x328]

Living the dream.


Mrs. S.C.U.M. is the first thing I thought of! Glad to know I'm not the only twisted soul out there.
 
2012-12-04 11:53:53 AM  
Like this won't be a financial sinkhole for Amdam. Brings in little tax revenue, and has a high cost of maintaining through law enforcement... gosh, it sounds a lot like the USA.
 
2012-12-04 12:00:00 PM  
This, essentially, makes being a jackass a criminal offense. While I can see and sympathize with such an approach, the slippery slope is quite steep. If this deterrent does not actually deter, you have a permanent underclass. I'm all right with the idea that if you are getting free housing and are a jerkoff to your neighbors, you can be forced to move. Since the government is your landlord, they can do whatever the fark they feel like doing. You'd have to set up a new court for that kind of thing, but if that's where you want to spend your money, that's up to the Dutch.
 
2012-12-04 12:05:52 PM  

uttertosh: Y'know how I know you have never come acros anyone antisocial evar? Because I have. A tv being left on one night, no worries. Awhole week, shiat, who hasn't? 24/7 2 years straight, plus parties, wifebeating, threats to my safety. None of which the cops could do annything about? Yeah, I went right ahead and moved to the country like a damned chicken. When it's the apartment above your oneroomer, and you're on nightshift, you really have no option, do ya? Go raise some chickens. Like the little douchefag you are, uttertosh, right?


I never accused you of being a 'douchefag' whatever that is supposed to be. I also never told you to move into the country and raise chickens. I will add though that being on night shift is a real pain but you cannot expect low levels of noise during the day and if you are unable to sleep during the day be it due to a noisy living environment then that is strictly speak your problem.

When I was on night shift I was pretty miserable due to children running around in the apartment above me. I'm talking constant running barefoot right above my ceiling. I moved the bedroom into where my office was as it was the least noisy room in my apartment and brought some ear plugs home with me from work. Problem solved.

If you are talking about nighttime noise then call the building supervisor. If you are talking about spousal abuse, call the police. Threats to your safety? Police. This isn't rocket science and I simply don't believe that the police wouldn't come running if you called them due to someone beating their wife. The cops love spousal abuse, it's the best part of their night, it's free entertainment.
 
2012-12-04 12:06:04 PM  
Maybe being a jackass should be a criminal offense.

/Guilty!
 
2012-12-04 12:07:12 PM  

lohphat: doczoidberg: Scum Village would be a cool band name.

...led by Guybrush Threepwood.


Ever heard of Slum Village?
 
2012-12-04 12:09:56 PM  

spawn73: AngryJailhouseFistfark: Does Copenhagen still have that hippie park? I think it was called Christiania ?

http://www.christiania.org/modules.php?name=Side&navn=linkeng

Sure. It's still popular with tourists who for some reason want to go and watch smelly hippies.

You can also purchase hash freely.


Went there last year - and yes, it is very easy to buy cheap weed. Also beers were only 7kr @ the local bar, which was super cheap (about 1.50$).
 
2012-12-04 12:13:37 PM  

Millennium: And that's why I can't go along with a system like this. It creates, essentially, a parallel system of ill-defined laws which can -and, therefore, will- be used arbitrarily. That's wrong, and because it's wrong, it should be avoided.


You have a point, but even the "real" laws are made and enforced pretty arbitrarily.
 
2012-12-04 12:19:29 PM  
Amsterdam. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
 
2012-12-04 12:44:25 PM  
Around here we call that Camden
 
2012-12-04 12:54:55 PM  
Flodders anyone?

///not obscure to many

///HILARIOUS movie trilogy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flodder

http://www.flodder.tv/flodder-englishs.html
 
2012-12-04 12:55:46 PM  

AngryDesertDweller: I used to live next to renters who were "guest workers" from south of the border. 12-15 bodies in a 900 sq ft house with one bathroom, the place ran 24/7 . The worst was the blasting of that god awful polka music at 2AM right by my bedroom wall. Thank god the homeowner lost the house (pocketed the rent money) and split.


I live next door to renters who are "guest workers" from south of the border. They have been there six years. They have horses, goats, chickens and dogs; also four kids. They are up at 5:30am, and return at sundown. On the weekends, they have family parties, and everyone plays music and the men get together and build something. A concrete and brick driveway, an ornate wall to replace the chain link fence, a portico so they don't have to get out of their vehicles in the rain. They started with a single-wide mobile home, and now have the nicest home in the neighborhood. Their kids are polite and hardworking, both in school and at home.

It took me a long time, but I finally found something I could hate 'em for, too. Their Christmas lights are too bright, so maybe I'll complain and get them thrown out of the country, so a meth chemist can move in next door. Yay, Arizona.
 
2012-12-04 01:00:12 PM  

fyrewede: Millennium:

Personally, I'm horrified by this. Being a jerk should not be a crime.

I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. This is behavior that goes beyond "being a jerk" and, to quote TFA, "reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality."

If you've ever lived with someone with a personality disorder (especially anti-social PD), you'll have some grasp of what a nightmare that can be, even if physical violence never occurs.

Working 5+ years in Corrections gave me a much more realistic grasp of just what types of people can change, and how much (or in some cases, how little) certain types of people can change.

Those with personality disorders frequently require *years* of therapy, and even if they commit to that and acknowledge that they need to change, there is no guarantee they won't backslide and no guarantee they won't get worse.

I actually kind of agree that those who are polite, kind, help others, and try to get along with our neighbors should not have to be endlessly at the mercy of those whose sole concern is themselves and getting their own wants and needs gratified, regardless of the impact to others. I'm just not sure this is the answer (as appealing as it sounds at first glance).

The problem is they're not all walking around with "A--hole!" or "Potential Serial Killer" tattooed on their foreheads either. Some of them are what we call high-functioning sociopaths -- they blend in nicely because they're good at putting on the appearance of propriety and covering their arses. These people often make it to the top of corporate ranks because they don't care who they step on to get there.

The main reason this proposition is likely doomed to failure is that it would either have to discriminate against people who don't have young children, or risk subjecting the innocent children of rude/manipulative/deceptive parents to a life surrounded by dysfunctional people.

I also have a life-sized picture of Soc ...


Wow, a post that addresses both sides of the issue in a well-informed and rational way.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MY FARK?
 
2012-12-04 01:02:28 PM  
Will it be located in a floodable part of town like New Orleans?
 
2012-12-04 01:16:10 PM  
We have been doing this in the US for years. Our scum village even has a name. It's called Congress.
 
2012-12-04 01:46:26 PM  
We have this very thing here in Wisconsin: we call it Milwaukee
 
2012-12-04 01:47:53 PM  

Egoy3k: This is a monumentally stupid idea.


This.

/Does anyone study history anymore? Anyone?
//Bueller?
 
2012-12-04 01:57:39 PM  

KrispyKritter:

overall it's a very good idea. one more forward thinking step toward improving peoples lives. you can bet we won't be seeing this in America. hope this has cleared it up a little for the knuckle draggers.


We already have entire cities and states devoted to housing losers, bums, racists, drunks, and other ne'er do wells.
 
2012-12-04 01:59:30 PM  
Unimpressed

quitmumbling.com
 
2012-12-04 02:04:49 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Ever heard of Slum Village?



S Villa, nigguh, that's the crew when we rep (who) It's been a long time, we shouldn'ta left (you) It's the "S" (move), crushin your best (dude), Spitin dark so nigguh bring your best too
 
2012-12-04 02:05:36 PM  

PsiChick: Egoy3k: This is a monumentally stupid idea.

This.

/Does anyone study history anymore? Anyone?


Oh, but we're enlightened this time, so it'll be different. It'll be better, we promise.
 
2012-12-04 02:19:27 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Makh: beta_plus: I wonder what the Dutch version of Section 8 is.

New Amsterdam?

Old New York?


Istanbul.
 
2012-12-04 02:34:23 PM  

HenryFnord: A sort of camp where undesirables are concetrated, you say?


What a grand idea! I wonder why no one has ever thought of that before?
 
2012-12-04 02:36:16 PM  

Makh: beta_plus: I wonder what the Dutch version of Section 8 is.

New Amsterdam?


Old New York?
 
2012-12-04 03:02:31 PM  

Egoy3k: liam76: Egoy3k: This is a monumentally stupid idea.

Not as monumentally stupid as paying for peopel to be shiatty neighbors and harrass people in their neighborhood.

I live in an apartment building. I have asshole neighbors so you can be assured that I know what it's like to live near assholes. It's still a bad idea to concentrate these people. Sure it looks fine on paper but these people have children (usually too many of them) and those children are going to be living in these 'scum villages' too. Why should children be made to suffer inhumane treatment because their parents are assholes? It won't break the cycle of poverty and stupidity if anything it will increase the likelihood that children will fall into the same patterns of behavior that got their parents into the villages in the first place. Any measures taken to deal with this sort of behavior should have an ultimate goal of reducing the need for such measures. This seems like a step in the wrong direction.

What should happen is that we should all stop being pushovers for this sort of thing. When people behave improperly call them on it, if that fails report them to your landlord, or call the police when necessary. I've personally dealt with many issues in my current situation and never felt the need to mention it to my landlord or the police. Most of the time all it takes is an explanation that they behavior is inconveniencing others.


If you've been able to solve the problems like that, you've only ever had to deal with diet assholes, not the full-fat version.
 
2012-12-04 03:36:11 PM  

D_Evans45: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Ever heard of Slum Village?


S Villa, nigguh, that's the crew when we rep (who) It's been a long time, we shouldn'ta left (you) It's the "S" (move), crushin your best (dude), Spitin dark so nigguh bring your best too


Can you put this in english please? I dont speak ebonics
 
2012-12-04 03:52:57 PM  

Joe Blowme: D_Evans45: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Ever heard of Slum Village?


S Villa, nigguh, that's the crew when we rep (who) It's been a long time, we shouldn'ta left (you) It's the "S" (move), crushin your best (dude), Spittin dark so nigguh bring your best too

Can you put this in english please? I dont speak ebonics


Its rap music cracka, check yoself.

The Villa - Slum Village

S Villa, niggur, that is the crew when we we represent
Its been a long time, we shouldnt have left you
Its the "S", move!, crushing your best dudes
Speaking (about) dark (subject matter), so niggur bring your best, too
 
2012-12-04 03:53:42 PM  
So, a place with free methadone and institutional sex slavery attracts lowlifes?
 
2012-12-04 04:19:28 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: So, a place with free methadone and institutional sex slavery attracts lowlifes?


It's kind of like Congress but not quite as seedy.
 
2012-12-04 05:51:58 PM  

Son of Thunder: KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.

Sadly, politics cannot be easily collapsed into a one-dimensional continuum.


Says you! 

Link
 
2012-12-04 08:23:41 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Middletown is the new it town for the wealthy. My roommate is looking at a really old house there and they're asking a lot and it still needs a ton of work done to it.


Uggh, really? Sad. It's been a few years since I was there... I really hope it's not going the McMansion route. I liked it a lot when I was there.
 
2012-12-04 08:38:59 PM  
What sorts of neighbors are they talking about moving? This article could be covering anything from people who would be in half-way houses here to people who have their music too loud. I don't think either is a particularly good idea, but the article should go into some detail. Would this include neighbors who have kids? I remember a story, I think out of New York City, where there was a psychotic homeless guy who would go around shoving people, but never quite hard enough to get arrested. Him? Hoarders? Animal hoarders? People who walk around naked with the blinds open (but not hotties!)? People with Asperger's?
 
2012-12-04 08:58:40 PM  
I wish I could have exiled all the scum servers in our environment. Then the Marimba servers that replaced them.
 
2012-12-04 09:27:12 PM  
I wonder how they'll interface with Guybrush and the rest of the pirates.

/Long live SCUMMVM
 
2012-12-04 09:56:18 PM  
No Skwisgaar yet? Or did I miss a post? 

cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-12-04 10:06:30 PM  

AngryDesertDweller: I used to live next to renters who were "guest workers" from south of the border. 12-15 bodies in a 900 sq ft house with one bathroom, the place ran 24/7 . The worst was the blasting of that god awful polka music at 2AM right by my bedroom wall. Thank god the homeowner lost the house (pocketed the rent money) and split.


I think I found a picture of your boarder renter:

img268.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-05 12:11:56 AM  
Eh, I'm not necessarily against this. We have a similar problem in New Zealand with problem families in state housing absolutely destroying the neighbourhood for other families. The problem people are often gang-affiliated causing intimidation (implied and actual direct threats). They have a right to the state housing, but they are making a lot of other people miserable who equally have a right to the state housing, and the right to feel safe in their own homes. These types of people are generally criminals, abuse drugs and alcohol, abuse their kids, don't feed their kids or make sure they go to school, and terrorise the neighbourhood on top of it.

I would be absolutely okay with those pieces of excrement and their doomed bastard children being moved to a special suburb where they get intensive attention from social services and police. Mandatory drug and alcohol treatment, parenting classes, mandatory education or training, budgeting classes, cooking classes, children closely monitored and extra educational input, and they get taught how to act like civilised human beings in normal society. It's probably too late to save the useless adults but some of the kids can probably be stopped from turning into their parents.

The only problem I can see is the stigma attached to having an address in that suburb.
 
2012-12-05 02:32:07 AM  

Joe Blowme: Millennium: KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.

The thing about politics is that it's not really a spectrum: it's a circle. Take the left and right wings out far enough, and they meet up on the opposite end from moderate: "antimoderate", if you will, or perhaps just "narking futs." It can get really confusing, but it's how you get the occasional case of strange bedfellows.

Like the hard left and jihadis today


You spelled "christian fundamentalists" and "muslim extremists" wrong.
 
2012-12-05 05:58:41 PM  

Medic Zero: Joe Blowme: Millennium: KarmicDisaster: I can't decide, is that super right wing or super left wing? Right wing because they can force you into an internment camp and take away your rights. Left wing because they can do it for being "antisocial". Confusing.

The thing about politics is that it's not really a spectrum: it's a circle. Take the left and right wings out far enough, and they meet up on the opposite end from moderate: "antimoderate", if you will, or perhaps just "narking futs." It can get really confusing, but it's how you get the occasional case of strange bedfellows.

Like the hard left and jihadis today

You spelled "christian fundamentalists" and "muslim extremists" wrong.


Eco-terrorists, Christian Abortion doctor killers, anti-WTO rioters, and Al-Qaeda-led rioters aren't really all that different, but they still aren't the tip of the circle. Just a little further along and you end up with death cults, conspiracy theorists, and the Time Cube guy, that jumble things from the right and left into a deranged blend.
 
2012-12-06 12:35:01 AM  

Millennium: Being a jerk should not be a crime.


Okay, but go be a jerk someplace else.
 
2012-12-06 12:38:19 AM  

Jarhead_h: You people do realize that this will become a ghetto for muslims and political dissidents right? And then it's going to catch on throughout Europe because the white people are tired of hearing the call to prayer.


You do know that white people can be just as anti-social and disruptive as anyone else... right? Have you never watched "reality" television?
 
2012-12-06 12:41:28 AM  

there4igraham: These people don't behave that way because they got a bum deal. They behave that way because they believe it's their God given right.


THIS. Yes! Exactly!
 
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