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(ESPN)   The NHL and NHLPA are postured to figuratively begin a round of global thermonuclear war. Wouldn't they rather just have a nice game of hockey instead?   (espn.go.com) divider line 76
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2012-12-04 09:39:14 AM  
Hopefully, this is on the agenda for Bettman today

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2012-12-04 09:53:27 AM  
The NHL needs to be destroyed in order to be saved.
 
2012-12-04 11:15:54 AM  
Why is that linked to the shiatacular mobile site? My eyes are bleeding.
 
2012-12-04 11:17:59 AM  
De-certify! Blow the whole thing up!
 
2012-12-04 11:20:48 AM  

RangerTaylor: Why is that linked to the shiatacular mobile site? My eyes are bleeding.


I sent a better link in to the admin. Hopefully they change it.
 
2012-12-04 11:34:19 AM  
The NHL has been hijacked by a few owners like Jacobs that would rather make 100 million a year in profit rather than share gates revenue for the good of the league. Outside of 2 or 3 teams, the other 15 teams in the red are in the red by less than 3 mil a year.

People want hockey and for the most part believe the owners when they say that they're losing money and they can't honor the contracts that they signed but none of those owners have made their books public and audited by an independent third party. The players gave a lot in 2004 lockout and there's no need to give about as much this time around because owners can't police themselves. They started with the 15 year deals to circumvent the cap they wanted back in 2004. They are the ones that kept offering those kind of deals even this past summer and the owner that offered two of those contracts (Min Wild) is complaining about not having money to pay them? fark you, you piece of shiat. You shouldn't have offered those contracts if you can't honor them.
 
2012-12-04 11:35:54 AM  
The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.
 
2012-12-04 11:37:53 AM  
After canceling the All Star game in Columbus, I am done with the NHL until the Jackets put a decent team on the ice. So basically I am done with the NHL. Ill spend my hockey dollars watching Ohio State and Miami college hockey.
 
2012-12-04 11:39:56 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.


They already accepted a 50-50 split, the owners just don't want to make it gradual like it should be. The split didn't get to 57-43 in one year and it shouldn't go down in one year either.

And let's get past the split... even if the players agree to the 50-50 split year one the other restrictions the owners want on contracts are pure BS. A max term idea is a good idea but not as low as the owners want it. Free agency age shouldn't change and players shouldn't be under the entry level contract an extra year.
 
2012-12-04 11:41:15 AM  
fark these dickholes
 
2012-12-04 11:41:50 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.


So if rape is inevitable, just lay back and enjoy it.
 
2012-12-04 11:46:25 AM  
And their beer sucks!
 
2012-12-04 11:48:19 AM  

ddam: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.

They already accepted a 50-50 split, the owners just don't want to make it gradual like it should be. The split didn't get to 57-43 in one year and it shouldn't go down in one year either.

And let's get past the split... even if the players agree to the 50-50 split year one the other restrictions the owners want on contracts are pure BS. A max term idea is a good idea but not as low as the owners want it. Free agency age shouldn't change and players shouldn't be under the entry level contract an extra year.


Actually, I think it did go to 57% right away since there was no cap before that. Teams were allowed to dump players whose salaries put them over the cap and everyone took a significant pay cut as well.

As for today, don't expect miracles but hope that this gets the ball rolling towards a deal. If they come out of today saying they have a general agreement on things like the "make whole" money or contract length, that would constitute a miracle (but would also mean we could start preparing for a short season).
 
2012-12-04 11:51:11 AM  

ddam: They started with the 15 year deals to circumvent the cap they wanted back in 2004. They are the ones that kept offering those kind of deals even this past summer and the owner that offered two of those contracts (Min Wild) is complaining about not having money to pay them? fark you, you piece of shiat. You shouldn't have offered those contracts if you can't honor them.


They'll counter that because of the existing escrow arrangements, the full value of those contracts were never guaranteed to begin with.

But, they'll argue that point with a smug sense of satisfaction, as if putting a little money aside in escrow and tabulating end-of-season revenue to determine full payout, and outright rollback of salaries, are, somehow, the exact same thing and we're stupid and gay for not seeing that and oh by the way please purchase season tickets thank you very much.
 
2012-12-04 11:53:04 AM  

RangerTaylor: Why is that linked to the shiatacular mobile site? My eyes are bleeding.


Yeah. That seems to be happening alot around here.
 
2012-12-04 11:53:26 AM  

desertgeek: ddam: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.

They already accepted a 50-50 split, the owners just don't want to make it gradual like it should be. The split didn't get to 57-43 in one year and it shouldn't go down in one year either.

And let's get past the split... even if the players agree to the 50-50 split year one the other restrictions the owners want on contracts are pure BS. A max term idea is a good idea but not as low as the owners want it. Free agency age shouldn't change and players shouldn't be under the entry level contract an extra year.

Actually, I think it did go to 57% right away since there was no cap before that. Teams were allowed to dump players whose salaries put them over the cap and everyone took a significant pay cut as well.

As for today, don't expect miracles but hope that this gets the ball rolling towards a deal. If they come out of today saying they have a general agreement on things like the "make whole" money or contract length, that would constitute a miracle (but would also mean we could start preparing for a short season).


Actually it started at 54-46 and went up to 57-43 based on revenue growth. Study it out.
 
2012-12-04 11:53:42 AM  

PowerSlacker: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.

So if rape is inevitable, just lay back and enjoy it.


The players are not being forced t do anything against their will. They are free to take any other job they want to.

ddam: They already accepted a 50-50 split, the owners just don't want to make it gradual like it should be. The split didn't get to 57-43 in one year and it shouldn't go down in one year either.

And let's get past the split... even if the players agree to the 50-50 split year one the other restrictions the owners want on contracts are pure BS. A max term idea is a good idea but not as low as the owners want it. Free agency age shouldn't change and players shouldn't be under the entry level contract an extra year.


It doesn't matter. In case it hasn't sunk in yet, this is not a negotiation. The players were handed a take it or leave it deal. The owners are willing to kill another full season, and you still think that a deal can be made? The players can either take what they're offered or can walk. So far they've chosen to walk.
 
2012-12-04 11:56:15 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not being forced t do anything against their will. They are free to take any other job they want to.


The players didn't start this conflict. They were happy to just play hockey under the old deal where the NHL kicked their asses.

At least you get that the owners aren't negotiating in good faith though.
 
2012-12-04 11:58:34 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The owners are willing to kill another full season, and you still think that a deal can be made?


Well, not every owner is Jeremy Jacobs, in more ways than one.

Rightly or wrongly, the NHLPA thinks the longer they hold out, "other" owners will pull the league in a closer direction.
 
2012-12-04 11:59:52 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: PowerSlacker: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.

So if rape is inevitable, just lay back and enjoy it.

The players are not being forced t do anything against their will. They are free to take any other job they want to.

ddam: They already accepted a 50-50 split, the owners just don't want to make it gradual like it should be. The split didn't get to 57-43 in one year and it shouldn't go down in one year either.

And let's get past the split... even if the players agree to the 50-50 split year one the other restrictions the owners want on contracts are pure BS. A max term idea is a good idea but not as low as the owners want it. Free agency age shouldn't change and players shouldn't be under the entry level contract an extra year.

It doesn't matter. In case it hasn't sunk in yet, this is not a negotiation. The players were handed a take it or leave it deal. The owners are willing to kill another full season, and you still think that a deal can be made? The players can either take what they're offered or can walk. So far they've chosen to walk.


And many players can find jobs that pay 60-80% right now and maybe even match NHL salaries in a couple of years in Europe if NHL is done for and they are out of their long term contracts. And you bet your ass that a new league will start right away at least in Canada and maybe just a few USA teams if NHL is to fold.

The players are paying for pennies on the dollar right now in Europe because they have to come back if/when the CBA negotiation is complete. Take that out and players will make a great living playing in Europe.
 
2012-12-04 12:05:30 PM  

Killer Cars: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The owners are willing to kill another full season, and you still think that a deal can be made?

Well, not every owner is Jeremy Jacobs, in more ways than one.

Rightly or wrongly, the NHLPA thinks the longer they hold out, "other" owners will pull the league in a closer direction.


Not only the owners but the sponsors too. Also the cities that are losing on tax revenue that a game brings to the city. NHL is not only losing good will with the fans but also with the cities that they want future tax breaks and money to build arenas.
 
2012-12-04 12:07:28 PM  
Forget the players/owners meeting, what I really want to the lowdown on is the Board of Governors meeting this week. Gonna be real interesting to find out what some of the smaller teams think of Jacobs and his fellow hawks prepping to kill another year of hockey just to stick it to the PA.
 
2012-12-04 12:12:36 PM  
I will mention that if the season's lost, all the players set to become free agents at the end of the season gain the option to simply not come back at all. And you know some of them, the Russians especially, are going to choose to stay in Europe permanently. The questions are how many and who.
 
2012-12-04 12:15:15 PM  
Time for a good old mob. Instead of pitchforks and torches it'll be hockey sticks and a flaming Art Ross trophy.
 
2012-12-04 12:24:08 PM  
Where is NBC in all this? Right now they are paying a crap ton of money to the NHL to not broadcast games. If I were NBC, I would be hounding both the union and the league to get a deal. At the same time, how NBC signed a deal where they are paying even if the league isn't playing games is beyond me. If NBC wasn't paying the NHL, I think we would have had a deal a while ago.
 
2012-12-04 12:25:59 PM  
I want my NHL!
 
2012-12-04 12:28:12 PM  
NHL and NHLPA finally agree on something - change the name to No Hockey League.
 
2012-12-04 12:29:14 PM  

Swoop1809: After canceling the All Star game in Columbus, I am done with the NHL until the Jackets put a decent team on the ice. So basically I am done with the NHL. Ill spend my hockey dollars watching Ohio State and Miami college hockey.


I'm in the same boat, at least for whatever they shortened schedule they may play and 2013-2014. Fark the NHL, fark the players. If the NHL came back tomorrow, I would have no reason to go back for the forseeable future.

I'm really enjoying watching minor league this year, it's a lot more fun than I've had at an NHL game since I was a kid. And the NCAA stuff ain't bad either. If the NHL came back tomorrow, I would have no reason to go back.
 
2012-12-04 12:29:41 PM  

KarlMaldensNose: Where is NBC in all this? Right now they are paying a crap ton of money to the NHL to not broadcast games. If I were NBC, I would be hounding both the union and the league to get a deal. At the same time, how NBC signed a deal where they are paying even if the league isn't playing games is beyond me. If NBC wasn't paying the NHL, I think we would have had a deal a while ago.


After the initial scramble to find something to put on NBCSports for the weekly games I don't think NBC cares that much as they get a year added at the end of the deal for free. But the other sponsors are pissed especially the small ones that only advertize with one sport. And all the small businesses around the arena are suffering too due to lost traffic 41 times a season. NBC is the least pissed off right now if you take into account the other businesses affected.
 
2012-12-04 12:32:29 PM  

pregerstheHobo: Swoop1809: After canceling the All Star game in Columbus, I am done with the NHL until the Jackets put a decent team on the ice. So basically I am done with the NHL. Ill spend my hockey dollars watching Ohio State and Miami college hockey.

I'm in the same boat, at least for whatever they shortened schedule they may play and 2013-2014. Fark the NHL, fark the players. If the NHL came back tomorrow, I would have no reason to go back for the forseeable future.

I'm really enjoying watching minor league this year, it's a lot more fun than I've had at an NHL game since I was a kid. And the NCAA stuff ain't bad either. If the NHL came back tomorrow, I would have no reason to go back.


It took me a while to get back after the 2004 lockout but once I was back and watching every game again (around 2008-2009) I became a bigger fan. Part of the reason I was away that long was because the LA Kings were aweful after the lockout and it was just bad hockey and couldn't watch more than 20 or so games a season. Once the core developed and they actually put good hockey on the ice nothing compares to the NHL.
 
2012-12-04 12:44:19 PM  

ddam: desertgeek: ddam: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.

They already accepted a 50-50 split, the owners just don't want to make it gradual like it should be. The split didn't get to 57-43 in one year and it shouldn't go down in one year either.

And let's get past the split... even if the players agree to the 50-50 split year one the other restrictions the owners want on contracts are pure BS. A max term idea is a good idea but not as low as the owners want it. Free agency age shouldn't change and players shouldn't be under the entry level contract an extra year.

Actually, I think it did go to 57% right away since there was no cap before that. Teams were allowed to dump players whose salaries put them over the cap and everyone took a significant pay cut as well.

As for today, don't expect miracles but hope that this gets the ball rolling towards a deal. If they come out of today saying they have a general agreement on things like the "make whole" money or contract length, that would constitute a miracle (but would also mean we could start preparing for a short season).

Actually it started at 54-46 and went up to 57-43 based on revenue growth. Study it out.


You're right. It was 54 to start, but went up to 57 because of revenue. But your original point is still invalid. If they can cut down to 54% when the players were making over 70% of the gross revenue before 2004-05, they can drop from 57% to 50%.
 
2012-12-04 12:44:42 PM  
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2012-12-04 12:50:51 PM  

desertgeek: ddam: desertgeek: ddam: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The players are not going to win. The sooner they accept that, the sooner hockey can start.

They already accepted a 50-50 split, the owners just don't want to make it gradual like it should be. The split didn't get to 57-43 in one year and it shouldn't go down in one year either.

And let's get past the split... even if the players agree to the 50-50 split year one the other restrictions the owners want on contracts are pure BS. A max term idea is a good idea but not as low as the owners want it. Free agency age shouldn't change and players shouldn't be under the entry level contract an extra year.

Actually, I think it did go to 57% right away since there was no cap before that. Teams were allowed to dump players whose salaries put them over the cap and everyone took a significant pay cut as well.

As for today, don't expect miracles but hope that this gets the ball rolling towards a deal. If they come out of today saying they have a general agreement on things like the "make whole" money or contract length, that would constitute a miracle (but would also mean we could start preparing for a short season).

Actually it started at 54-46 and went up to 57-43 based on revenue growth. Study it out.

You're right. It was 54 to start, but went up to 57 because of revenue. But your original point is still invalid. If they can cut down to 54% when the players were making over 70% of the gross revenue before 2004-05, they can drop from 57% to 50%.


When they cut down that much in 2005, Bettman said "This was the deal needed to make NHL viable in the future" (or something along those lines). He didn't say that this deal was to make NHL viable for 7 years. Until all 30 teams make their books open and audited by an independed 3rd party I have no reason to believe their claim that they cannot do a gradual reduction to 50%. The players have agreed to the 50%, they just don't want to leave $200 mil on the table which is the current split right now.

Oh, and let's not forget all the other contract restrictions that the owners want and are not willing to negotiate on them.
 
2012-12-04 12:54:30 PM  
Shame. I was just starting to get into hockey over the last 2 years. I even started reading the rulebook, trying to get a better understanding of what was going on. Who knows, I could have become a die-hard fan, but now it's just "meh, on to the next thing".

NFL, College football and basketball, NBA, MLB and Olympic curling every 4 years is enough to keep me busy. I will say that NHL players are some of the toughest motherfarkers I've ever seen in sport though.
 
2012-12-04 01:07:34 PM  

sigdiamond2000: The NHL needs to be destroyed in order to be saved.


Didn't they already try that back in 2004-5?
 
2012-12-04 01:12:22 PM  
Can someone explain how Jacobs got this much power to lead the owners? I just don't get why the owners stand behind him. Although I also grew up in Detroit with Mike Illitch owning the Wings. He's always seemed like a class act and an owner who wants to get this done and take care of his players and fans.
 
2012-12-04 01:21:28 PM  

killershark: Can someone explain how Jacobs got this much power to lead the owners? I just don't get why the owners stand behind him. Although I also grew up in Detroit with Mike Illitch owning the Wings. He's always seemed like a class act and an owner who wants to get this done and take care of his players and fans.


Someone posted an article about him and how he essentially holds the owners hostage for his own greed, but I can no longer find it :(
 
2012-12-04 01:23:23 PM  
I don't care.

Start games tomorrow, start them a year from tomorrow, I won't watch. I just don't care anymore.

I grew up with the NHL, I played hockey in school, I work for a minor pro team now.. I love the sport. The NHL is not interchangeable with the sport. Burn it down and start a new top level league.I will not give one half of a shiat if the NHL never comes back.

I'm done with it.
 
2012-12-04 01:23:41 PM  

killershark: Can someone explain how Jacobs got this much power to lead the owners? I just don't get why the owners stand behind him. Although I also grew up in Detroit with Mike Illitch owning the Wings. He's always seemed like a class act and an owner who wants to get this done and take care of his players and fans.


Jacobs only needs 7 other owners to vote with him to pass/veto anything. Take a few hawkish owners and some billionaires who are mostly using their team as a tax write-off and there you go.
 
2012-12-04 01:33:18 PM  
If we can't have hockey, can we atleast have boxing on ice?
 
2012-12-04 01:34:50 PM  

havocmike: I don't care.

Start games tomorrow, start them a year from tomorrow, I won't watch. I just don't care anymore.

I grew up with the NHL, I played hockey in school, I work for a minor pro team now.. I love the sport. The NHL is not interchangeable with the sport. Burn it down and start a new top level league.I will not give one half of a shiat if the NHL never comes back.

I'm done with it.


The new league would still have basically the same team owners otherwise there's no way they can get the monopoly exception. Owners like Jacobs would fight against a new league in courts and would delay it for a few years (if not win the case). If you start a new league with owners like Jacobs you will have the same problems we have now.

And once players are out of their NHL contracts for good they will get comparable contracts in Europe. The only guys left out will be the 3rd and 4th stringers that will have to get gigs in the now minor leagues of the North America. Oh, and Sidney Crosby who's uninsurable in Europe.
 
2012-12-04 01:47:37 PM  

ddam: The new league would still have basically the same team owners otherwise there's no way they can get the monopoly exception. Owners like Jacobs would fight against a new league in courts and would delay it for a few years (if not win the case). If you start a new league with owners like Jacobs you will have the same problems we have now.


Well it could be all Canadian then, the current owners can't do anything about that because it's American law that allows them to have the monopoly right?
 
2012-12-04 01:53:18 PM  
Over-under on number of paramedics called to the meeting site? 3
Over-under on the number of fighting majors Parros gets? 5
Over-under on length of meeting today: 20 minutes plus a 5 minute overtime.
Over-under on number of black-eyes Jacobs exits with: 1.5
 
2012-12-04 01:58:35 PM  

ghall3: ddam: The new league would still have basically the same team owners otherwise there's no way they can get the monopoly exception. Owners like Jacobs would fight against a new league in courts and would delay it for a few years (if not win the case). If you start a new league with owners like Jacobs you will have the same problems we have now.

Well it could be all Canadian then, the current owners can't do anything about that because it's American law that allows them to have the monopoly right?


Maybe that would work as I'm not sure how Canadian laws deal with monopolies but if it's just a Canadian league they will lose a ton of revenue. Hockey is my second favorite sport (after rugby) but I won't be watching a lot of regular season games if the team I've been rooting for the past 20+ years doesn't exist anymore. The only reason LA Kings are in the red is because the league allowed another team 45 miles away in Souther California. If Kings didn't have to compete with the Ducks for fans and local endorsements it would be in the black easily.

NHL expanded in the south to fast and in a few wrong cities. There are a lot of die hard fans in Phoenix but if you sell your tickets for $15 and still can't fill up an arena you just can't compete with teams like Toronto that sell tickets for $100 (or more) on average and have sucked for a decade. NHL (just like every other league) needs to split gates revenue. Even if it's not 60-40 like the NFL, a 85-15 split will make almost every team profitable.

But owners like Jacobs don't want that because they would rather make their profit. There's an easy way to fix that too... move teams to Boston and to Toronto and have those team actually compete for all that fat local advertizing. You think Jacobs would approve a second team in Boston?
 
2012-12-04 02:03:52 PM  

ddam: You think Jacobs would approve a second team in Boston?


Bring back the Whale!!!
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2012-12-04 02:08:02 PM  
Hardened, elite business owners vs hockey players in a CBA negotiation? That's just as lopsided as settling it with an actual game of hockey between players vs owners.
 
2012-12-04 02:08:29 PM  

JT_Goalie: ddam: You think Jacobs would approve a second team in Boston?

Bring back the Whale!!!
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Now look at what you've done, ddam. You should be ashamed.

Nordiques should come back first.
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2012-12-04 02:58:39 PM  
Ever since "my" Whalers left CT I lost interest in the NHL. Let this lockout continue burn. I hope a bunch teams go belly up.
 
2012-12-04 03:14:22 PM  
Looks like they went with 18 players instead of the 6-on-6 we originally heard about.

Players in the meeting:

Craig Adams, David Backes, Michael Cammalleri, Sidney Crosby, B.J. Crombeen, Mathieu Darche, Shane Doan, Ron Hainsey, Shawn Horcoff, Jamal Mayers, Manny Malhotra, Andy McDonald, Ryan Miller, George Parros, Brad Richards, Martin St. Louis, Jonathan Toews and Kevin Westgarth.
 
2012-12-04 03:18:25 PM  
What I've gathered from all of this, Jacobs is to the NHL as Dick Cheney is the U.S.A.


Did anyone see Dustin Penner on Conan last night?
 
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