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2012-12-04 12:15:28 AM  
30 votes:
A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.
2012-12-03 11:28:50 PM  
12 votes:
Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.
2012-12-04 04:35:37 AM  
8 votes:
Is it time yet to change the law to be fair?

I'm all for protecting the name of the accuser in the case of rape but if, and only if, we also protect the name of the accused until after the trial. If he's found guilty, then put his name in every paper, but until then he deserves just as much right not to have his name dragged through the mud as she does.
2012-12-04 04:39:13 AM  
7 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: A key that opens every lock is a master key.

A lock that opens to every key is a shiatty lock.

That's not rape-culture. That's science.


Hate to break it to you, but what you have isn't a key, though I can see how you might have mistaken it for one. And your joke, right there, *is* rape culture.
2012-12-04 07:44:45 AM  
6 votes:

Serious Black: I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.


Yeah, it sucks that there are some men who minimize issues like rape in the US, just as it sucks that there are women who are all to willing to use accusations of rape or the threat of those accusations as a weapon.

Here's the thing, not all men are rapists; in fact, very few of them are. Similarly, not all women use the accusation of rape or its threat as a weapon; but some of them do and that number is probably higher than the opponents of "rape culture" would like to admit. In my own dating history it's running at about 10% who make joking comments about crying rape if they don't get what they want.

I've never stuck my dick in anyone who didn't either verbally ask for it or pull it out and do it themselves but I've been repeatedly denigrated as a potential rapist since I have a dick or told that I'm a supporter of rape culture because I'm not the loudest in the two minutes hate. Honestly, I'm getting pretty farking sick of it.
2012-12-04 07:02:37 AM  
4 votes:

ks1415: I'm impressed at the focus on what's important in here: Everything is women's fault. Rape culture occurs because of false rape accusations, preventing false rape accusations is more important than allowing rape victims to come forward, people like this complicate the definition rape and consequently make rapists more sympathetic (though anyone who suggests there's male-driven rape culture is just wrong because we all totally know rape is bad)...just really impressive.

Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.


"Anyone who doesn't think exactly like I tell them to is a pro-rape misogynist, also men are all inherently rapists"
I was raised to be sympathetic to women's rights, but the more feminists say things like this and cast insults at my entire gender the less I give a shiat what they have to say.
2012-12-04 06:09:15 AM  
4 votes:

randomjsa: Is it time yet to change the law to be fair?

I'm all for protecting the name of the accuser in the case of rape but if, and only if, we also protect the name of the accused until after the trial. If he's found guilty, then put his name in every paper, but until then he deserves just as much right not to have his name dragged through the mud as she does.


This THIS a 1,000 times this. We have a local paper that prints "Samuel T. Laukenshclemmer, 41, of 137 Falcon Rd, Westbury, who works at Azimuth Inc., 99 Lost Highway, Clemmer, is accused of raping a woman at her residence. It is the policy of this paper to not reveal the identity of victims of rape."

What complete and utter bullshiat.

In more than one case it has later been found that the girl was PO'ed at the accused over something, and the whole accusation of rape or whathaveyou was false. The recant is NEVER found on the front page, and the girl is never exposed, much less charged, and the hapless guy is farked forever now in so many ways.

I understand and agree that we do not want to make it harder for real rape victims to come forward. But men should have some rights too.
2012-12-04 05:45:26 AM  
4 votes:

Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists

Not where I'm at. Everyone around here is pretty anti-rape.

Anti-rape, yes. Anti-things-that-support-rape, probably not. Victim blaming, ostracization of those that have been victimized, attacks on women as "sluts" while men that get laid often are "studs"... those are all part of rape culture.


Gonna have to disagree with you there. idolizing guys who get laid while deriding the same in women is an unethical double-standard, but it has nothing to do with rape. It's on one side of the "valid consent" line, while rape is on the other side; this simply has to be the line, and I gotta say, it kinda bothers me when things on one side of this line get mixed up with things on the other side of this line.

For example, the fact that a woman consensually sleeps around should have no bearing on whether you believe them when they claim to have been raped, and likewise the fact that a man consensually sleeps around a lot (whether you think his behaviour may be sleazy, or even misogynistic) should have no bearing on whether you believe him when he says he didn't cross that line. Over and again I find the importance of this line is overlooked and obfuscated.

And yeah, I hear what you're saying about the need to discourage victim-blaming and ostracization of the victim -stuff that some Republican candidates have said would seem to indicate that that is still a valid problem. I'm just saying it's important to not mix up promiscuity (or even judgements of promiscuity) with rape. They are on opposite sides of the line.
2012-12-04 04:36:31 AM  
4 votes:
She should at least have to pay for a billboard to be put up in her home town, with her name and face on it, saying that she lied about being raped and that billboard has to stay up for at least three years.
2012-12-04 04:33:49 AM  
4 votes:

Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists

Not where I'm at. Everyone around here is pretty anti-rape.

Anti-rape, yes. Anti-things-that-support-rape, probably not. Victim blaming, ostracization of those that have been victimized, attacks on women as "sluts" while men that get laid often are "studs"... those are all part of rape culture.

/My god, I'm turning into a feminist.
//As long as I don't turn into a RadFem I think I'll be OK.


A key that opens every lock is a master key.

A lock that opens to every key is a shiatty lock.

That's not rape-culture. That's science.
2012-12-04 01:52:52 AM  
4 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.


This.

There is nothing amusing about this, at all. Not only did she ruin the life of a man who is innocent, by her own admission, she has furthered the rape culture which makes women unlikely to come forward and admit they were actually raped.
2012-12-04 01:30:29 AM  
4 votes:
Am I the only one who clicked the link expecting to read that the prosecutor is still pursuing charges against her attacker victim anyway?
2012-12-03 11:34:30 PM  
4 votes:
wtvf.images.worldnow.com
I'd counter-accuse her of rape rather than admit to willingly bed her. Is, too, funny, Bathia.
2012-12-04 08:17:16 AM  
3 votes:

ChuDogg: Fasely accusing of rape should be a sex offense. People should be able to look offenders up by name or facial recognition and see if they have falsely accused someone before so they can know to avoid them and take precautionary measures when around them.


Rape is a crime where the accused is guilty until proven slightly less guilty.
2012-12-04 08:00:07 AM  
3 votes:
Oh my god, how can I possibly be the only one sensitive and enlightened enough to feel uncomfortable talking about rape? Look at all of you talking about rape- they're right, it's a Rape Culture. Hey, ladies- for the record, I oppose rape. It's just too rapey for me. I only like consensual sex wherein I go down for 30 minutes so you can finish thinking about your bills, finally get aroused, and sort of enjoy it. And then I go into the restroom and ejaculate in the toilet as god intended. I enjoy long walks on the beach and white knighting in threads.

Look, rape culture is real but if anyone can't tell within 5 minutes which meat-headed idiots think of a woman as an object and which ones are intelligent and rational people, I don't know how to correct that. It's silly to call someone out for supporting rape culture simply because he pointed out that while not every man is of high character, not every woman is either. Some are opportunistic scumbags exactly like the rapists themselves. They have different motives, but the same complete lack of interest in the consequences of their actions exists. We can start solving social problems as soon as we stop deifying one gender and demonizing the other. We all pretty much suck a bit.
2012-12-04 07:13:32 AM  
3 votes:

BronyMedic: You're actually going to set here, with a straight face, and tell me that rape culture doesn't exist in the United States?


Yes, I am.

Rape is an egregious crime and one that we are working, as a culture, to stamp out. And we're making progress. For you to come in and claim that despite a 15% reduction in rapes per 100K persons we still, as a culture, condone rape is laughable.

I'm not saying that rape isn't a crime or that it isn't a problem or that the frequency with which it occurs is acceptable. I'm saying that your assertion that there is this vast cultural conspiracy to turn a blind eye to the problem is ridiculous on its face.

BronyMedic: Women are encouraged not to report rape. They're the ones at fault, not the people who raped them. And then you have idiots like this, who use rape accusations to destroy the lives of men, and suffer relatively no consequences in return.


Women threatening to accuse men of rape is not as rare as you might think. I've had two women in my life "jokingly" tell me that it was their trump card if they didn't get what they wanted.
2012-12-04 05:08:45 AM  
3 votes:
So... why are we believing the woman's second story instead of the first one? Isn't it quite possible that she in fact was raped, but recanted her (true) accusation? It is a fairly well-documented phenomenon that actual victims of legitimate rape sometimes do just that, for any number of reasons.
2012-12-04 01:41:53 AM  
3 votes:

Exception Collection: The problem is proving a false report as opposed to one you can't prove. Rape culture still exists, and women are still afraid to acknowledge when they've been raped for fear that they won't be believed.


Believe me, I know. And in the end, the LAST thing that we want is these women NOT coming forward and admitting that they lied in the first place. Bad enough that the poor buy might end up in prison (RE: the case in NC? which she recanted and he is still in prison).

The worst part is the damage this does to actual rape victims. At some point, more and more rapists start to use the story. "NOW, she is just trying to get me in trouble.", "Not my fault that she ...."

shudder
farking hate people like this and the damage they do to improving the cause
2012-12-04 01:38:58 AM  
3 votes:

Lukeonia1: Am I the only one who clicked the link expecting to read that the prosecutor is still pursuing charges against her attacker victim anyway?


I was worried that it might be the case. I was HAPPY to see that she was being charged.
Hero tag for the police and prosecutor? maybe?

I would have used something other than assinine .... what do we have for someone who should be beaten senseless for CRYING RAPE? Scary isnt scary enough. Horrific.

Poor guy, removing the stench of being accused of rape can be very hard.
She should have to stand with a placard for a month or two.
"My name is LYNETTE LEE. I falsely accused a man of raping me. I am a HORRIBLE person. Here are some tomatoes to throw at me."

Would also be sweet if he could sue her in civil court. Probably can.
Defamation of Character?
2012-12-04 11:58:30 AM  
2 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: He might have every desire in the world to comply with her command but may be unable to do so.

If he's physically unable to comply, then he lacked the intent to commit rape, yes? Therefore, it's not rape, which is a crime that requires intent.

You're really not reading what I'm writing, are you?


Give it up, man. I had to put that guy on ignore a long time ago, since he's pretty much always been a caricature of a feminist that even Rush Limbaugh himself would blush at creating; I got sick of knowing exactly what kind of crap he would post.

But he's 100% for-real. He's a zealot. You will never have a rational discussion with him on anything touching upon gender politics.

The sun rises in 5 hours, so I'm to bed. Cheers, all.
2012-12-04 11:18:31 AM  
2 votes:
If two people get drunk and have sex, is that rape?

And if so, who is the perpetrator and who is the victim?

By the logic of "diminished capacity," neither participant is competent to give consent, and sex without consent would seem to imply rape. Are they both victims and both rapists at the same time? Or is only the man guilty because he's a man? But then what if it's two men?

/questions
2012-12-04 11:15:54 AM  
2 votes:
This can't be right. When ladies say they've been raped, it's 100% true all the time, every time. No way would they lie!
2012-12-04 09:40:50 AM  
2 votes:

Dafatone: That's all over this thread. And it's dumb. You can argue about the existence of rape culture if you want. But interpreting it as "everyone in this country thinks rape is good" is just incorrect.


I don't know what straw man you're constructing but I'm arguing against this:

Exception Collection: But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape

2012-12-04 08:49:23 AM  
2 votes:

namatad: The worst part is the damage this does to actual rape victims.


No, the worst part is the damage this does to actual innocent people who have been incarcerated for years or even decades. They are very directly harmed by being falsely accused and convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

I'm quite sick of feminists who take the position that how it 'harms women' is always the biggest problem. What about the very real men who've lost years of their lives, and become rape victims in prison themselves, because of this? They are the 'worst part' of false allegations.

Serious Black: At worst, she makes all women look like they want the sex every single time and just decide afterward that they didn't want it after all.


Really? That's 'at worst'? Not 'at worst, her accusation results in an innocent man being imprisoned for decades and subject to violence and rape himself.'?

Because fark him, he's a man right? So who gives a shiat what happens to him.

Exception Collection: The thing about this is, murder just destroys them once. Rape destroys them (for a while at least) every time a man touches them - every time they are alone - every time they remember what happened.


What a great message to send to someone who's been raped. Bombard them constantly with the message that they are forever damaged goods who will either never heal, or that it will take an extremely long time, that they are destroyed repeatedly, that they will feel like victims and not feel safe when they're alone, or when a man they actually like touches them. Make sure they know that they have to be scared, damaged, scarred victims. That's an awesome way to help people.

Keep telling them that it's worse than murder. That it would be better if they were dead. That will really help a person heal and move on with their life.

The top reason why being raped isn't as bad as being murdered is that someone who was raped has their life to go on living. If you're dead, there is absolutely zero chance you will recover from that and live a happy, fulfilling life.
2012-12-04 08:00:33 AM  
2 votes:

Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists


No, it doesn't.

Guys don't stand around in groups talking about, making plans for, or wistfully remembering women they've raped. There is no "rape culture", unless you stretch the definition of "culture" beyond all reasonable bounds. There is also a problem with the definition of rape, too: As this case shows, at least some percentage of rape cases aren't really rape at all. We don't know how big that percentage is or how small because it's hard to measure: We know roughly how many cases end up like this, consensus seems to be somewhere between 2% and 8% of all rape allegations, but we don't know how many aren't caught by the police and the accused gets convicted based on false allegations: That number has to be non-zero.

Of course, there are also cases where actual rapes aren't reported when they should be, but that is a separate issue.

Anyway, as I said, there is no rape culture. And if you posit that there is one, then you must admit that there is then a false rape culture.

Rape is wrong, but so is lying about it.
2012-12-04 07:53:11 AM  
2 votes:

Millennium: Warlordtrooper: Millennium: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.

You don't have to always prove malice or intent. It's up to the legislature to specify that when it makes the law

Statutory rape is an example of a crime you don't need to prove malice or intent for a conviction

But in this particular case, malice is what would make the crime. Cases of simple mistaken identity should obviously not be punished, for example. Much like rape itself, states of mind are more important to the definition than the crime itself: the same acts can be rape or not rape, depending solely on whether or not all parties to those acts are willing. In the same way, false accusation could be criminal or not criminal, depending solely on whether or not the accuser is acting maliciously.

Or, to put it another way, failure to convict for rape should not be prima facie evidence of malicious accusation.


Of course, as always, no one is suggesting that we move to an hideous Saudi-style system, but certain people love to imply it.

Proving an accusation of rape is difficult; proving that someone has knowingly filed a false rape complaint is nearly impossible. Absent an admission, like a recording or email to the effect of "Yeah, I lied. Got that bastard good, didn't I?", forget it.

So, if you're worried about innocent women getting falsely convicted of knowingly filing false complaints, you must be even more worried about men being falsely convicted of rape.

Rape is a horrible crime. Grasping the state's monopoly on violence and wielding it to falsely imprison a man for ~7 years, destroy his family, have his children taken away, take his job, make him a social pariah and utterly unemployable, and, as a bonus, include the possibility of multiple rapes in prison...

That might be a teensy bit worse.
2012-12-04 07:35:35 AM  
2 votes:

Nogale: I want to strangle women who do this. Rape is a real problem; making false accusations trivializes the issue and makes it harder for women who have been raped.


So many responses like this in this thread. "False accusations of rape are bad because they make it harder for legitimate victims of rape."

Well yeah, but what about the innocent men who are falsely accused? Pretty sure it makes it pretty hard for them as well. Especially when they are fired from their jobs, prosecuted, thrown in prison, and placed on a sex offenders registry and ostracized from society. Their lives are ruined as completely as any rape victim. But I guess the victims of these cases don't matter nearly as much as victims in unrelated cases.
2012-12-04 07:32:05 AM  
2 votes:
Exception Collection:
I don't think anyone in this thread said that. I damned well know I didn't. But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape. As referenced above, a girl that sleeps around is considered a slut; a slut can't be raped, right? Or what if they made certain decisions about the activities involved, and the guy decides "screw that, I want anal"?

I've never followed the double standard you mention, I've never looked down on someone for their decisions about their sexuality. I have never done anything like that with a woman without discussing it and making sure it was okay. And I've taken no for an answer. But I guess that doesn't matter because "hurr rape culture." You are stereotyping me as a degenerate neanderthal rapist because I'm male. You're a cancer on society.
2012-12-04 07:23:43 AM  
2 votes:

ks1415: Exception Collection: And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue

Oh, I know. It's just occasionally made a priority in a way that potentially harms other causes. It's like shark attacks; it happens, and it's horrible when it does, but it's rare enough that protecting against it should really be done with a decent sense of perspective.


The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception. Personal stories inevitably stick in people's minds much more than numbers and statistics do. I guarantee that this case will come up in the minds of many women who are raped in the next few months, and they will decide not to report it because they don't want someone to accuse them of making it up. It will also be discussed in many police departments across the country over the next few months, and they will decide not to pursue investigations or charges in many cases because they think the women are making it up. This woman's ludicrous actions will end up harming many victims of domestic abuse.
2012-12-04 06:53:09 AM  
2 votes:

fredbox: Prison, you mean?

I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".


This. That is a case where people getting raped is perceived as not only acceptable and normal, but even irreverently comical. That is an instance where the phrase "rape culture" is applicable.
2012-12-04 06:52:37 AM  
2 votes:

fredbox: I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".


Pretty much this. If there is a "rape culture" in the US, it is based in the expectation that people incarcerated in our prison system get a healthy helping of rape to go along with their sentence.
2012-12-04 06:42:21 AM  
2 votes:
So this is the thread where people suggest that a man falsely accused of rape should shut up and deal with the consequences of being falsely accused of rape because men don't matter

People who think false rape accusations are not a big deal are almost as sick as people like Todd akin.

/I will be falsely accused of being a rape apologist when I said no such thing
//rape is bad
2012-12-04 06:21:43 AM  
2 votes:

ks1415: I'm impressed at the focus on what's important in here: Everything is women's fault. Rape culture occurs because of false rape accusations, preventing false rape accusations is more important than allowing rape victims to come forward, people like this complicate the definition rape and consequently make rapists more sympathetic (though anyone who suggests there's male-driven rape culture is just wrong because we all totally know rape is bad)...just really impressive.

Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.


No, you're right. Her decision to file a false rape report was obviously some man's fault.
2012-12-04 04:35:02 AM  
2 votes:

karmaceutical: Well fellas, there you have it. Put some effort into it next time... it pays off in more ways than one, apparently.


I don't know, man. If she was crazy enough to report him to the police because he was a lame fark, what would have happened if he had been good? Like the Overly Attached Girlfriend, only not as cute
2012-12-04 04:22:40 AM  
2 votes:

Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists


Not where I'm at. Everyone around here is pretty anti-rape.
2012-12-04 12:30:33 AM  
2 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: [wtvf.images.worldnow.com image 400x300]
I'd counter-accuse her of rape rather than admit to willingly bed her. Is, too, funny, Bathia.


Look at that face. I'm thinking the guy wasn't the reason the sex was bad. (certainly not the only reason).
2012-12-03 11:55:21 PM  
2 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.


This. I hate women who do this sort of thing.
2012-12-05 04:48:30 AM  
1 votes:

StashMonster: the view that women sometimes "deserve" to be raped because of their actions - specifically getting wasted and going home with a stranger (or similar).


definitively NO
I was rather thinking of the case of two people having sex wasted, and the day after the woman feel ashamed and call it a rape.
She still have some DNA on her ladyparts? Great, absolute evidence, the guy is going to jail so she can feel better about herself.
2012-12-04 09:58:11 PM  
1 votes:

fredbox: umad: fredbox: Exception Collection:Rape culture

ks1415:Rape culture


I was being facetious. Rape culture is horseshiat.
2012-12-04 07:15:09 PM  
1 votes:

Aunt Crabby: JesusJuice: You can't see the forest for the trees. By ostracizing those who make poor decisions, society incentivizes good decisions. People who do stupid shiat should be considered "other", cut off from and with reduced influence upon society at large. Their personal discomfort with this is secondary to the benefit we all get from seeing the negative consequences of poor behavior.

If I ostracized everyone I know who sometimes made questionable choices, I'd ostracize everyone (including myself, which would be difficult). I don't think there is any evidence that shaming victims who made bad choices works as a way to better society. Again, it must be nice to be perfect.


This is why it's a waste of time to argue with women; they don't comprehend logic and reason. You just can't abstract beyond yourself and those you know.
2012-12-04 07:00:21 PM  
1 votes:

Witness99: Back to your video games and porn


Not like I need your permission but thanks. :)

Thanks for the laugh, though. It's been a long day and it's always nice to cap it off with a smile and a chuckle.
2012-12-04 06:51:26 PM  
1 votes:

Witness99: If a man does not contribute anything more than his orgasm....what use is he? We have all these douchebags on fark that judge women's looks (knees too sharp, do not want, etc).

As if those women would even have you. Look, women have taken the lead on income and education. If your fat, lazy, sorry ass ever gets laid again thank your lucky stars, STUDMAN69.

Society is all farked up right now. Women are shouldering the majority of the burden. These mediocre Internet guys who biatch about the price of sex these days.....wise up douchebags. What do YOU bring to the table? Not more than I do, so shut the fark up about your dick and it's needs. We don't care. How are you going to contribute? This is a warning. You are quickly falling off the radar.

end rant
Back to your video games and porn


I notice you failed to include a profile pic with that whine. I'm betting most of us wouldn't fark you with a stolen dick. Now get back to shouldering the majority of the burden and go make me a sammich.
2012-12-04 04:50:53 PM  
1 votes:

Aunt Crabby: JesusJuice: Serious Black: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception

I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.

It's often more than "wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers". I empathize with women who are in situations I could imagine women I care about being in. Being assaulted walking home alone? I can imagine that happening to my mother or girlfriend, so I'm upset. Getting shiatfaced and going home with a strange man who gets rapey? I can't see that happening to any women I care about, so I don't empathize and I don't care.

What if a woman has a few beers with someone she's known for years and he gets "rapey"? What if a teen trusts an older friend of the family whom everyone loves and he or she gets rapey? What if person who is kind of flighty or less popular stays late to help a pastor who is a well liked pillar of the community and he gets rapey? When exactly is acquaintance rape okay by your standards?

False police reports should be prosecuted if they can be proven to be malicious or knowingly false beyond a shadow of a doubt. False statements should result in defamation or other civil suits if the plaintiff can prove it's more likely than not the defendant acted as alleged. The law protects both parties (to a certain extent).

"Her said she said" situations are hard. Often the law can't come down on eith ...


All the scenarios you mentioned could potentially happen to decent women I care about. All I'm saying is there are situations where it's okay to shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, what did you think was going to happen?" If a woman's engaging in high-risk behaviors, rape isn't a problem it's just a hazard.
2012-12-04 02:24:50 PM  
1 votes:

Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists

Not where I'm at. Everyone around here is pretty anti-rape.

Anti-rape, yes. Anti-things-that-support-rape, probably not. Victim blaming, ostracization of those that have been victimized, attacks on women as "sluts" while men that get laid often are "studs"... those are all part of rape culture.

/My god, I'm turning into a feminist.
//As long as I don't turn into a RadFem I think I'll be OK.


So, the double standard is now "rape culture"? Great, another bullshiat neologism.
2012-12-04 02:05:58 PM  
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: A Terrible Human: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Never argued otherwise but to be honest, the following exchange doesn't strike me as particularly rapey:

OMG I'm gonna cum!
NO!

You do know the body react involuntarily to shiat like that right? Like if I had an orgrasm during any of the sexual abuse I endured as a child doesn't mean I enjoyed it or wanted it.

I probably should have made it clearer that it was a conversation between two people. i.e.

Him: OMG, I'm gonna cum!
Her: No!

The joke is that she's not telling him no to sex but rather not to complete the act which runs counter to "continuing after she says no is pretty rapey" comment I was responding to. He might have every desire in the world to comply with her command but may be unable to do so.


Ooh, even more gender/sexuality stuff for me to get yelled at about on fark!

Whether or not a dude cums has damn near nothing to do with whether or not sex was had. Believe it or not. If you wanna get all psychoanalytical, you could say that this focus on the male orgasm as the "turning point" is pretty gender-biased.

Basically, this scenario has as much to do with "tricking" a guy into raping a woman as the woman yelling "no!" at any other point after he enters her.

Also, this doesn't happen.
2012-12-04 01:51:13 PM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: But claiming that recanting is in itself a crime is not only pretty much admitting you don't understand the POV of either party, it means you could be accidentally blaming someone whose only crime is to be very heavily damaged.


The idea is that not just recanting, but DELIBERATELY making a false claim in order to get someone in trouble should be more harshly penalized.

I'm not really behind this idea, because a) it will still make it harder for victims to come forward, b) false claims area already a crime, and c) given what women filing reports already go through, this will just make things worse when a woman gets yelled at for not remembering EXACTLY what went on during a traumatic farking event.

It seems like everyone has a "I knew someone who falsely accused someone of rape and ruined their life" story, rather than hard evidence as to how common this is. There are numbers suggesting that rape convictions are often mistaken, and that victims often have issues identifying their assailant. Not much saying that a significant portion of clams are made up.

Meanwhile, there ARE numbers saying that a significant portion of women are raped. Like, a huge huge chunk.
2012-12-04 01:45:06 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: The My Little Pony Killer: This is the thread where Men's Rights Activists hold up this single case as absolute proof that all women are liars and whores, correct?

You're late. You missed the last 400 comments where they did just that.


Plus about 20 who just whined about how "you dumb feminists are making it harder for me to joke about an ugly chick on the internet."
2012-12-04 01:44:54 PM  
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.


Normally, I'm behind you 100%, but this is a thread where I'm agreeing with randomjsa, so I'm gonna just accept this is Bizzaro Thread and call you out here. Did you ever think about what would happen to the rape victim if the trial was successful? Their family and friends would know they'd been raped, the victim would be called every type of slut imaginable and his\her whole life would be laid bare for a court...

It's hard to put yourself in the shoes of a victim, but it is very hard for them to come forward, because they're essentially taking their most personal nightmare (in any context, actually, not just rape--abuse victims have this problem too) and not only handing it to twelve strangers, but letting quite a lot of people comb it over looking for ways to blame them. And on some level, the victim very often believes it was their fault, that they did deserve it. That gets worse if the family or friends are blaming the victim, which can happen in rape cases..

Recanting is sometimes the lie, not the accusation. I don't know what TFA's situation is, because I don't know the woman (although yeah, it sounds plausible that she was just a dumbass liar). But claiming that recanting is in itself a crime is not only pretty much admitting you don't understand the POV of either party, it means you could be accidentally blaming someone whose only crime is to be very heavily damaged.

/This is why people scream bloody murder about rape culture. You might mean it as a joke, I don't know, but when someone with trauma hears that, their inner critic (psych term: it means a script running through their head that basically calls them every name under the sun and forces them to behave the way the truamatizer wanted) takes it and turns it up to eleven without joking. They've got enough problems coming forward. Adding to it doesn't help anyone.
2012-12-04 12:40:25 PM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: theMightyRegeya: Has anyone stopped to consider what "rape culture" means? It means you have a culture where rape and sexual abuse are normal, toerated, and even acceptable.

Actually, it could also mean a culture where rape is divided into "forcible" or "violent" or "legitimate" or "rape-rape" rape that is condemned, and date/acquaintance rape, diminished capability rape, or other rape that is excused or minimized, with victims being blamed for the way they dress, where they were, whether they drank, etc. and a culture where it's considered not just acceptable, but encouraged, to talk about plying some honey with a few drinks to lower her inhibitions, or going around the bars looking for the drunkest girls to bang. A key is that those participating in rape culture don't actually view it as rape, which is the problem.


And you believe we live in a culture where these attitudes are prevalent, accepted, and encouraged by a majority of people.
2012-12-04 12:36:54 PM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists

Not where I'm at. Everyone around here is pretty anti-rape.


Same. None of my friends are pro-rape. Prudes.
2012-12-04 12:09:54 PM  
1 votes:

GF named my left testicle thundercles: anyone remember the article a while back about the guy who was accused of rape by his ex wife and then it turned out to be an elaborate plot to take away his visitation rights with his kids. women can be extremely violent and sadistic, except it doesnt look that way because they commit their crimes by proxy.


Reminds me of a quote that popped up on my facebook feed the other day:

"Anybody who thinks the world would be a better place if it were run by women doesn't remember high school." - Madeline Albright
2012-12-04 12:07:24 PM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Doc Daneeka: Theaetetus: Doc Daneeka: If two people get drunk and have sex, is that rape?

Depends how drunk they were, and whether it was voluntary intoxication or not, and whether voluntary intoxication is considered intent. The statutes depend on the jurisdiction.

And if so, who is the perpetrator and who is the victim?

By the logic of "diminished capacity," neither participant is competent to give consent, and sex without consent would seem to imply rape. Are they both victims and both rapists at the same time? Or is only the man guilty because he's a man? But then what if it's two men?

Due to that bit about voluntary intoxication, it could be both. It depends on the statutes.

/questions

/answers
//also, you should put questions in quotes, since you're not really asking questions, you're "just asking questions". Be bold, telegraph your concern trolling.

It was an honest question. People getting drunk and having sex is a fairly common occurrence. Seems like it would be good to know when it is rape and when it is not. Particularly in cases where both participants are drunk, which is probably one of the most common scenarios, but seems the most legally hazy.

It depends on your jurisdiction's statutes.

You're awfully quick to accuse someone of trolling, btw.

If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, is it probably a duck? I'm just asking questions, ducky.


Good lord. I've been a regular poster on Fark since 2004, and I think this is the first time I've ever been called a troll.

I ask an honest question about a common but legally-murky scenario and you give me a brush-off non-answer and accuse me of being a troll. Twice.

Someone's getting Farkied as "self-righteous condescending asshat."
2012-12-04 12:06:16 PM  
1 votes:
i1172.photobucket.com

i came for the rape hysteria. leaving satisfied.

anyone remember the article a while back about the guy who was accused of rape by his ex wife and then it turned out to be an elaborate plot to take away his visitation rights with his kids. women can be extremely violent and sadistic, except it doesnt look that way because they commit their crimes by proxy.
2012-12-04 11:38:08 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: hasty ambush: BronyMedic: hasty ambush: Given the high rate of false rape reports by the biatches (about 25% according to The Innocense Project) about the only rape culture that really exists is women lying about it. Women have only themselves to blame if nobody believes them.

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Actually, the home office of the UK puts the number at about 3%. United States numbers vary from 2-8% of rape claims.

"Politically correct feminists claim false rape accusations are rare and account for only 2 percent of all reports. Men's rights sites point to research that places the rate as high as 41 percent. These are wildly disparate figures that cannot be reconciled."



"Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect, and about 6,000 have "matched" or included the primary suspect."

"these percentages have remained constant for 7 years, and the National Institute of Justice's informal survey of private laboratories reveals a strikingly similar 26 percent exclusion rate."


"If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources."

Link

Link



Two things:

1) Anything that claims they are opposed because of "politically correct feminism" is not a reliable source. It's politically biased bullshiat.
2) You're comparing two different things here. You're comparing people who have made malicious claims of rape against other men - like the woman in this article here - with people who were wrongly convicted due to poor corroboration of physical evidence or wrongful identification. In addition, you're quoting a study from 1996, when forensic science was first starting to widely test DNA in rape cases.


So now false accusations are bad only if the intent is malicious. That's an interesting position to assert.

The rate of forensic evidence exoneration has held steady since that study. Please stop trying to claim that a 16 year old study is somehow irrelevant due to its age and circumstances; especially when its results have held constant since that time.

And I'm going to try and restate Dokushin's point about the study you linked to so I might help you see just what it was before this devolved into an argument about malicious accusations vs false accusations.

If you accept the premise that the crime of rape goes unreported and that this means rape occurs more often than the amount tried and convicted, you accept that some crimes occur and the perpetrators "gets away with it."

If you take that stance, then surely you can see the logic in saying that not all malicious accusations of rape are found out and brought to justice. Some portion of those people exonerated by forensics are victims of this crime. Some portion of people not exonerated by forensics are also victims of this crime. To claim that only cases where false accusations of a malicious nature occur is when they are brought before a court of law (which is what I take your argument to be based on the study you provided and your particular defense of it) is myopic. It's just as myopic as people claiming rapes never go unreported.

It's good to critically think about studies because they all have limitations. People try and stretch them into situations where the study matches their worldview. That's why peer review is important. There doesn't seem to be much peer review for rape studies which makes this more difficult to discuss logically.

/I am not volunteering to be on the rape peer review board
2012-12-04 11:20:19 AM  
1 votes:
Fark is being ruined by shrill, self-enlightened posers again. Better argue more on the internet guys, in case someone doesn't think you're really smart.
2012-12-04 11:08:06 AM  
1 votes:
The Campus Rape Myth. The reality: bogus statistics, feminist victimology, and university-approved sex toys

"The scarcity of reported sexual assaults means that the women who do report them must be treated like rare treasures. New York University's Wellness Exchange counsels people to "believe unconditionally" in sexual-assault charges because "only 2 percent of reported rapes are false reports" (a ubiquitous claim that dates from radical feminist Susan Brownmiller's 1975 tract Against Our Will). As Stuart Taylor and K. C. Johnson point out in their book Until Proven Innocent, however, the rate of false reports is at least 9 percent and probably closer to 50 percent. Just how powerful is the "believe unconditionally" credo? David Lisak, a University of Massachusetts psychology professor who lectures constantly on the antirape college circuit, acknowledged to a hall of Rutgers students this November that the "Duke case," in which a black stripper falsely accused three white Duke lacrosse players of rape in 2006, "has raised the issue of false allegations." But Lisak didn't want to talk about the Duke case, he said. "I don't know what happened at Duke. No one knows." Actually, we do know what happened at Duke: the prosecutor ignored clearly exculpatory evidence and alibis that cleared the defendants, and was later disbarred for his misconduct. But to the campus rape industry, a lying plaintiff remains a victim of the patriarchy, and the accused remain forever under suspicion."
2012-12-04 11:07:32 AM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Xenomech: This is why you should always film yourself having sex.

I know you're joking but that is no protection against retraction of consent due to diminished capacity. I've even seen the argument put forward that women should be able to retract consent after the fact.

I've seen the argument put forward that lizard people and reverse vampires run the government. Let's talk about actual arguments with actual people endorsing them, rather than this passive voice "I"ve seen the argument put forward" bullshiat.


Yeah, I have to argue against amorphous claims like rape culture but when I reference an argument that was put to me directly regarding consent and date rape, it's bullshiat. Got it. One set of rules for me. Another set of rules for you.
2012-12-04 10:48:39 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: hasty ambush: Given the high rate of false rape reports by the biatches (about 25% according to The Innocense Project) about the only rape culture that really exists is women lying about it. Women have only themselves to blame if nobody believes them.

[i306.photobucket.com image 500x293]

Actually, the home office of the UK puts the number at about 3%. United States numbers vary from 2-8% of rape claims.


"Politically correct feminists claim false rape accusations are rare and account for only 2 percent of all reports. Men's rights sites point to research that places the rate as high as 41 percent. These are wildly disparate figures that cannot be reconciled."



"Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect, and about 6,000 have "matched" or included the primary suspect."

"these percentages have remained constant for 7 years, and the National Institute of Justice's informal survey of private laboratories reveals a strikingly similar 26 percent exclusion rate."


"If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources."

Link

Link
2012-12-04 10:46:31 AM  
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: BronyMedic: There is nothing amusing about this, at all. Not only did she ruin the life of a man who is innocent, by her own admission, she has furthered the rape culture which makes women unlikely to come forward and admit they were actually raped.

Rape culture?

Show me anywhere in the US where rape is not a crime. The total number of rapes has been steadily declining and the rapes per 100K persons has been dropping even faster. Also, we have problems with other crimes in the US but nowhere do I hear people talking about "theft culture" or "assault culture".


Any time someone uses "[Bad stuff] culture" it is time to ignore them. They aren't interested in doing anything other than using language to try and dominate you. At best it is troll language. Don't feed the troll.
2012-12-04 10:44:34 AM  
1 votes:

HailRobonia: Theaetetus: Hell, consent even turns violent assault into a boxing match.

And yet in some places BDSM sex is illegal.


Ah yes. The "We're against big government unless it's in your bedroom, you naughty, naughty sodomites." approach to conservative moralism.
2012-12-04 10:37:34 AM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Do you believe in the doctrine of "innocent until proven guilty" or are you one of those "guilty until they prove their innocence beyond a reasonable doubt" type authoritarians?


I'm absolutely in the innocent until proven guilty camp which is why a 25% failure rate on DNA evidence vs convictions is so farking horrifying to me.

Don't be coy, make your point.
2012-12-04 10:02:31 AM  
1 votes:

Dafatone: Personally, I'll disagree with you on the rape culture part too. Name another crime that has people clamoring for false accusations to carry the same prison sentence as committing the crime.


They're clamoring for it not because they don't care about rape but because the consequences of even being accused of rape is so damning and that women do falsely accuse men of rape.
2012-12-04 09:54:06 AM  
1 votes:

Dafatone: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Dafatone: That's all over this thread. And it's dumb. You can argue about the existence of rape culture if you want. But interpreting it as "everyone in this country thinks rape is good" is just incorrect.

I don't know what straw man you're constructing but I'm arguing against this:

Exception Collection: But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape

Strawman? Someone in this thread said "Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them." Which is exactly that.

Personally, I'll disagree with you on the rape culture part too. Name another crime that has people clamoring for false accusations to carry the same prison sentence as committing the crime. Look at all the instances of women being badgered when they try to file police reports. Look at how our culture differentiates between promiscuity in men and women. Look at how often women are blamed for having a lot of sex. Look at how many politicians try to redefine rape.

/False rape accusations are awful, and the people who make them intentionally are awful.


Name another in which consent is the sole difference between a pleasant night for two people, and a violent assault. There is no other crime of which one can so simply and easily be accused, and so harshly punished, with no evidence but the word of the accuser. Even absent a trial, or conviction, the damage is massive to the accused's life. And, of course, the likelihood of negative consequences to an accuser found to be lying are all but non-existent. In many places, an accused's name can be immediately published, but not that of the accuser after things start to look dodgy.

Rape is a unique crime, but for more reasons than you think.
2012-12-04 09:48:29 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: You're right. False reports happen all the time. It's just the evil Femnazi Liberal agenda trying to keep that quiet to make men suffer. Damn you libtard media! Damn you to Christian Hell with the diapers of Baby Jesus!


This wasn't putting words in someone's mouth?

BronyMedic: So you're telling me that those cases were all malicious false-rape accusations like the one in the article here? Not an example of shoddy police work and investigation, or cases where DNA testing became available when it wasn't at the time that they were tried and convicted?

There's a total and complete difference between a false allegation of rape, and putting the wrong person behind bars because of a lack of either proper testing, or the ability to test forensic evidence.


Why don't you describe to me the cases in the study you cited? In the article you provided (which was an adapted excerpt from a training module for "End Violence Against Women") the cases are not characterized. To claim that false convictions exceed false accusations is interesting, and I would like to hear more about it. You can keep the newsletter, though.

You're making a very childish argument about technicalities. The issue at hand is when wrongful rape accusations both take attention away from rightful accusations and completely destroy the lives of the people so wrongly accused. Your study spends most of its length discussing what a "false" report is and why they were the only ones considered (excluding baseless or inconclusive claims). Therefore, stating that their final range -- 2-8 percent -- is the only prevalence of wrongful accusation is almost aggressively missing the point.
2012-12-04 09:34:07 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: If you have facts to disprove what I've stated, then please, post them. Otherwise, the cry of "fearmongering" is laughable.


I'm so glad you asked

Here's a 1996 study. DNA evidence exonerated 25 percent of those who had been convicted -- that number excludes false, unfounded, baseless, or overturned accusations, which logically would have a higher false positive rate.

A quote from that study:
Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect, and about 6,000 have "matched" or included the primary suspect.

Oh, and you complain of me putting words in your mouth? Seriously?
2012-12-04 09:24:22 AM  
1 votes:

Dafatone: All the dumb men here who think that "rape culture" means "women are telling me that I like rape and I don't like rape and that's not FAIR!" are dumb.


As are the women who refuse to even acknowledge the consequences of a false rape accusation even without a false. Conviction
2012-12-04 09:18:08 AM  
1 votes:

aagrajag: When it's a weapon that can never be pointed at you, you may fail to realise how dangerous it is.


Even when you do, it tends to be abused.

Both the SS and the NKVD had problems in the 1930s with neighbors reporting each other for 'treasonous activity' over petty little neighborhood squabbles. It got the point that each agency had to start cracking down the abuse of the reporting system because they were getting swamped by false reports.

And that was a double-edged sword. Neither the NKVD or the SS were people with whom you'd want to fark, and an accusation could just as easily be made against you by one of your targets (it was truly a witch hunt) -- and people still did it! The blowback on a false rape accusation in the American legal system has little direct consequence for the false-reportee, and it can likely never be turned back on them.
2012-12-04 09:17:53 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Your argument basically boils down to "if there's no evidence a rape actually occured, it's a false report". That's an insane strawman.


Yes, yes it certainly WAS an insane straw man, mr Medic. I'm surprised you admitted to it, though.
2012-12-04 09:17:39 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Your argument basically boils down to "if there's no evidence a rape actually occured, it's a false report". That's an insane strawman. It's also the reason why so many rapes are unreported.


So it is your assertion that if a claim cannot be conclusively proven false through confession or evidence (as stated in the study you cited) then it is definitely true? Because otherwise, stating that "only 2-8% of men accused of rape are innocent" is a lie by your own data.

You provided the study. I'm just telling you what it says. I'm sorry if you don't like that.

What else you provided just now are insults, made up strawmen arguments, and those pithy debate school quotes that are so popular with the kids these days. Someone is arguing from emotion, and someone from fact. I'll let you sort that one out.
2012-12-04 09:09:59 AM  
1 votes:

sudo give me more cowbell: BronyMedic: hasty ambush: Given the high rate of false rape reports by the biatches (about 25% according to The Innocense Project) about the only rape culture that really exists is women lying about it. Women have only themselves to blame if nobody believes them.

Actually, the home office of the UK puts the number at about 3%. United States numbers vary from 2-8% of rape claims.

Nobody knows, or will ever know, how high that number is. The best we can ever do is establish a lower bound by considering the number of cases in which the accuser's claims are definitively proven to be false -which is pretty rare. Both of you please stop quoting meaningless numbers


Well unless a case was explicitly proven in a court of law, and the false accuser was convicted of criminal charges, then it is obvious all other accusations were 100% true. Even in the former, many recantations were actually true but the accuser felt pressured and threatened to recant, so many of those numbers will need to be arbitrarily lowered to reflect this reality. Because a false accusation never results in the accuser just dropping her story and a prosecutor not having enough evidence to convict.

According to my extensive studies on this subject i have found the number of actual false accusations to be exactly zero. none. It doesn't happen outside internet message boards. We can stop pretending to even have trials anymore as they dont provide anything of value besides dragging the victims through the mud again and be verbally raped by old white males in court
2012-12-04 09:09:51 AM  
1 votes:
Can someone explain "rape culture" to me?

Is it something I have to be careful not to offend, like Islam?
2012-12-04 09:07:15 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: ChuDogg:
You dont have to counter intentionally inflated high numbers with intentionally deflated low numbers.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Finally, myths about high rates of false reports are perpetuated by media stories that provide excessive coverage of highly sensationalized cases. News agencies make little effort to reach out to the academic community to include professional opinions about the validity of the majority of rape reports. Instead, the general public is bombarded with stories about "gold-digging" women who falsely accuse athletes or prominent public figures. Very rarely do we hear the countless true stories of women and children who are abused and manipulated by men they know and trust.



From the study cited by the article you linked (that I had to dig to find); emphasis mine:

Rather, investigators and prosecutors must base all final judgments of a sexual assault report on the findings from a thorough, evidence-based investigation. The determination that a report is false can then only be when there is sufficient evidence to establish that the sexual assault did not happen (was not completed or attempted.) This does not mean that the investigation failed to prove that the sexual assault happened- in that case the investigation would simply be inconclusive or unsubstantiated.

Do you understand what you're saying? This very article we are discussing would not be a "false report" without her confession, even though it was false.

The 2-8 percent so oft cited is of cases in which they could prove, through confession or evidence, that the woman was lying. Citing that number as the only reports in which the man was innocent is literally saying that if the woman says rape, and there is zero evidence, that the man is still guilty.

More fearmongering, in other words.
2012-12-04 09:06:45 AM  
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Exception Collection: We have a culture that supports rape jokes

Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?


i.ytimg.com
/Just one scene of many good rape jokes throughout that movie...
//The best may be "people stampeded and cattle raped!"...

1.bp.blogspot.com
scrapetv.com
etc., etc...

Consult any random Fark thread for several hundred more good examples...
2012-12-04 09:04:44 AM  
1 votes:

LowbrowDeluxe: Heh. I think my favorite of these stories was the one from Arizona from a few years back. Young woman filed a rape claim, no information on her attacker, police asked around and people told them she was a huge party girl and drama queen and they threatened her with everything under the sun till she recanted then filed for the same filing a false police report charge which she plead guilty to.

Couple years later, pretty much by absolute accident, they managed to catch a serial rapist. Turns out he took pictures of all his victims as he was torturing them. In the process of tracking down the identity of all the victims so they could press as many charges as they could, guess whose pictures were in there?


Sometimes when you cry wolf, there actually is a wolf, but everyone has gotten tired of listening to your lying ass and no one comes running. The moral of the story was to be less of a douchebag, because sometimes you'll need people to believe you.
2012-12-04 08:49:04 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: hasty ambush: Given the high rate of false rape reports by the biatches (about 25% according to The Innocense Project) about the only rape culture that really exists is women lying about it. Women have only themselves to blame if nobody believes them.



Actually, the home office of the UK puts the number at about 3%. United States numbers vary from 2-8% of rape claims.


You dont have to counter intentionally inflated high numbers with intentionally deflated low numbers.
2012-12-04 08:45:32 AM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Given the high rate of false rape reports by the biatches (about 25% according to The Innocense Project) about the only rape culture that really exists is women lying about it. Women have only themselves to blame if nobody believes them.


i306.photobucket.com

Actually, the home office of the UK puts the number at about 3%. United States numbers vary from 2-8% of rape claims.
2012-12-04 08:26:56 AM  
1 votes:

ph0rk: aagrajag: I disagree; I think that the vast majority women would not knowingly make a false accusation of rape, but truly cannot understanding that the accusation alone is so powerful that it really isn't something to joke about. I think most women would be surprised to discover so.

I refuse to believe that "most women" would be such blithering idiots.

Any adult in the US who has an IQ above 70 knows a rape accusation is a nuclear option, second only to child molestation.

/I'm sure people joke about making that accusation, too.


Yeah, aagrajag has a wildly optimistic view of people as a whole.

Most folks, male or female, knowing they have a death ray that leaves no evidence of their involvement, would eventually rationalize using it on an enemy. When an adult goes to the police to falsely accuse someone of a felony, I would happily wager that in the majority of cases, it's not because of a lack of understanding of the consequences, but rather a sincere belief that there are no meaningful consequences for them and, possibly, a lack of understanding that filing a false complaint is, itself, a crime.
2012-12-04 08:26:25 AM  
1 votes:

ph0rk: aagrajag: I disagree; I think that the vast majority women would not knowingly make a false accusation of rape, but truly cannot understanding that the accusation alone is so powerful that it really isn't something to joke about. I think most women would be surprised to discover so.

I refuse to believe that "most women" would be such blithering idiots.

Any adult in the US who has an IQ above 70 knows a rape accusation is a nuclear option, second only to child molestation.

/I'm sure people joke about making that accusation, too.


When it's a weapon that can never be pointed at you, you may fail to realise how dangerous it is.

However if a woman even joked about that to me, I would immediately establish an alibi, then disappear from that woman's life. That's really the only prudent course.
2012-12-04 08:08:29 AM  
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: I'm not saying that point is wrong, just that focusing on it demonstrates an unconcern with the larger and more immediate point.


Because fark men, that's why.
2012-12-04 08:05:02 AM  
1 votes:

MrHappyRotter: Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,


The "right thing" would have been not making a false accusation in the frist place, involuntarily dragging an innocent man already unfortunate enough to have had sex with her into a police interrogation.

She merely confessed to doing the wrong thing.
2012-12-04 08:01:58 AM  
1 votes:

Exception Collection: ... when I'm strung out on caffiene, haven't had any of my nightly medicines, and have been awake for 25 hours and at work for 21.5 hours? Nope, my memory's shot. What I can tell you is that the jokes are common on Fetlife (a social networking site for those of us that are kinky). They're common in locker rooms (Unless boys have changed in the last 15 years or so). They're common in comments about news regarding rape, like the "legitimate rape" threads.


Today I learned that 4chan is the same as society as a whole.
2012-12-04 07:59:37 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Yeah, I agree. Getting called a supporter of rape culture is at least as bad as getting raped.


You see, this is the bullshiat argumentation I'm talking about. I've done nothing in this thread but condemn the crime of rape and to question the assertion that we live in a culture that condones and promotes it. And here you are twisting my words to imply that I've said that my annoyance at being called a supporter of rape culture is as bad as being raped.

What the fark is wrong with you?
2012-12-04 07:56:32 AM  
1 votes:
The whole world now knows he had sex with her. Isn't that punishment enough?
2012-12-04 07:53:17 AM  
1 votes:

Exception Collection: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?

Too tired to remember one right now... just crossed the 24 hours awake mark. But I see them all the time in a few places.


So you're saying that they're so prevalent that you can't remember a single farking one even though you hear them all the time. Got it.

You know why I can't remember any? Because I never hear them, other than the Bubba the Jailhouse Rapist variety.
2012-12-04 07:52:22 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Doc Daneeka: Nogale: I want to strangle women who do this. Rape is a real problem; making false accusations trivializes the issue and makes it harder for women who have been raped.

So many responses like this in this thread. "False accusations of rape are bad because they make it harder for legitimate victims of rape."

Well yeah, but what about the innocent men who are falsely accused? Pretty sure it makes it pretty hard for them as well. Especially when they are fired from their jobs, prosecuted, thrown in prison, and placed on a sex offenders registry and ostracized from society. Their lives are ruined as completely as any rape victim. But I guess the victims of these cases don't matter nearly as much as victims in unrelated cases.

Unless my knowledge of Fark's demographics is wildly incorrect, most of the people making the above comment in this thread are male. I can confirm with 100% certainty that at least one of them is.


I'm not saying that point is wrong, just that focusing on it demonstrates an unconcern with the larger and more immediate point.

It's like saying that drunk drivers are bad because they inconvenience all the sober drivers who have to go through police sobriety checkpoints. That may be true, but the more important point is that drunk drivers are bad because they kill people.

Likewise, false accusations of rape may make things a little harder for people in unrelated cases, but the much more important point is that false accusations of rape are bad because they ruin people's lives. I think some people tend to miss the forest for the trees.
2012-12-04 07:47:53 AM  
1 votes:

Moonlightfox: I've never followed the double standard you mention, I've never looked down on someone for their decisions about their sexuality. I have never done anything like that with a woman without discussing it and making sure it was okay. And I've taken no for an answer. But I guess that doesn't matter because "hurr rape culture." You are stereotyping me as a degenerate neanderthal rapist because I'm male. You're a cancer on society.


Actually, I'm not. I never stated that all men are rapists; you made that leap all by yourself. I do my best not to prejudge anyone. I'm not picking at *you* for supporting a rape culture; I'm picking at the culture for supporting rape. Individuals can (and usually will) be better than the average.

Dokushin: What would you consider to be ideal?


Ideal? 100% conviction of the guilty, 100% release of the innocent, 100% punishment of those that deliberately destroy the lives of others.

On-Off: Well, my girlfriend was raped long time ago, and she has issues, but she is a hell lot better as if she had been murdered.
Murderers, true or falsely acusated, still get more respect as falsely acusated rapist.


True. And I'm not saying that murder is better by any means; just different.

/I'm aware of what our culture - American culture - is like. I don't know how to fix it, but I won't hide under a pillow and ignore it until it goes away.
//Halloween before last, I was at a bar with friends. Several people groped me throughout the night. I'll admit that I was wearing clothing that was a little more risque than I usually do in public - I usually lean towards the "Wouldn't be out of place at a church" side of things - but the fact that I was wearing leggings and a skirt wasn't an invitation to pat my ass. When I complained about it to one of the people that patted me, he said "Well then why'd you wear that?" - as though it was MY fault... and that was my introduction to rape culture.
///Oddly enough nobody ever tried that before I transitioned. Well, except for my wife.
2012-12-04 07:44:13 AM  
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: Awww ain't it cute that both Reddit and Fark are full of misogynists and bronies. :D


Awww ain't it cute that rational discourse regarding this particular social problem is impossible.
2012-12-04 07:40:28 AM  
1 votes:

Exception Collection: fredbox: Well, let me take a poll of rape victims, and a poll of murder victims, and find out how destroyed they respectively feel.

The thing about this is, murder just destroys them once. Rape destroys them (for a while at least) every time a man touches them - every time they are alone - every time they remember what happened.


Well, my girlfriend was raped long time ago, and she has issues, but she is a hell lot better as if she had been murdered.
Murderers, true or falsely acusated, still get more respect as falsely acusated rapist.
2012-12-04 07:34:27 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception

I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.


If someone leaves their car keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked, are they at all culpable in the event their car is stolen? Certainly, the person who steals it is committing a crime either way. That's not in question. Just whether the responsibility is the thief's alone.
2012-12-04 07:29:00 AM  
1 votes:
Uh, how could anyone possibly know how many rapes are unreported? That doesn't make any logical sense at all.
2012-12-04 07:28:36 AM  
1 votes:

Nogale: I want to strangle women who do this. Rape is a real problem; making false accusations trivializes the issue and makes it harder for women who have been raped.


The thing that pisses me off is that if there ARE stiff penalties for women who file false reports, it might prevent women who are actually raped from coming forwards. This is about the no-winningest situation of all the no-win situations ever.
2012-12-04 07:26:03 AM  
1 votes:

ks1415: Exception Collection: And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue

Oh, I know. It's just occasionally made a priority in a way that potentially harms other causes. It's like shark attacks; it happens, and it's horrible when it does, but it's rare enough that protecting against it should really be done with a decent sense of perspective.


According to the FBI, it happens about 8% of the time: not a majority, or even a large plurality, but not enough to be called "rare."
2012-12-04 07:25:54 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception


I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.
2012-12-04 07:24:32 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Yeah. About that. 50-90% of Rapes in the United States go Unreported. RAINN reports that 54% of all rapes against women go unreported, and only 3 in 97 rapists will ever see a day in prison.


Yeah, about your link.

RAINN claims "5 in 100 rapists are convicted", and cite a study (warning, PDF) that states very clearly (p. 11) that 62% of rapists are convicted. (They claim an average from 2002-2006; 2002 is 67 percent, for instance.)

You may apologize for citing blatant fearmongering at any time -- I know you won't, though.
2012-12-04 07:21:16 AM  
1 votes:
They could have at least done this poor man the courtesy of blurring her image on TV. Yeesh...
2012-12-04 07:20:32 AM  
1 votes:

Exception Collection:

As for the mention of assault, or of murder - No, I'd count those as "violent" culture. Rape is in a special little corner, though, because it's not just about injuring the victim - it's about destroying them.


Well, let me take a poll of rape victims, and a poll of murder victims, and find out how destroyed they respectively feel.
2012-12-04 07:16:49 AM  
1 votes:

LowbrowDeluxe: So, just out of curiousity, how many posts so far do you have in this one thread decrying how rough it is for guys and how heinous this biatch is, and how 'rape culture isn't a thing'? And if the news bothers to cover an actual rape case, exactly how many times do you bother commenting then? Once? At all?


Ah yes, I'm not sufficiently vocal in decrying rape so I must support it. Quick, everyone shout as loud as you can about how much you hate rape culture in the US because the person who shouts the least supports it.
2012-12-04 07:12:09 AM  
1 votes:
My ex did a bunch of false accusations... none stuck, she admitted to lying in court.

Her consequences? pretty much nothing... the worse, judge assigned her to take therapy, which she stopped after a few sessions.

But eventually, after I left her, she was confirmed as paranoid schizophrenic, but that didn't stop her from attempting all the "bad" accusations to get back at me for leaving her.. again, the only consequence, she lost the kid's custody to me, and later on, lost all her visitation rights.

Karma... gotta respect it.
2012-12-04 07:09:18 AM  
1 votes:

Moonlightfox:
I was raised to be sympathetic to women's rights, but the more feminists say things like this and cast insults at my entire gender the less I give a shiat what they have to say.


I think the "rape culture" rhetoric goes beyond feminism and into either female separatism or female supremacism. I don't claim we live in theft culture because most cops are too lazy to investigate property crimes, but there's certainly a metric hell of a lot more theft than rape. Plenty of non-sexual physical assault out there too.
2012-12-04 07:09:02 AM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.


You're assuming that admitting that she lied would make a difference. Many people assume that if you're accused of something, that means you did something.
2012-12-04 06:56:39 AM  
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Show me anywhere in the US where rape is not a crime. The total number of rapes has been steadily declining and the rapes per 100K persons has been dropping even faster.


Yeah. About that. 50-90% of Rapes in the United States go Unreported. RAINN reports that 54% of all rapes against women go unreported, and only 3 in 97 rapists will ever see a day in prison.

One in five women, and one in 71 men will be raped in their lifetime.

The military is much worse. Women are actively punished for reporting rapes to their commanding officers, and in turn, COs are encouraged to handle rapes at a unit level to prevent embarrassment.

Women are encouraged not to report rape. They're the ones at fault, not the people who raped them. And then you have idiots like this, who use rape accusations to destroy the lives of men, and suffer relatively no consequences in return.

Ever been the victim of a false rape allegation?

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Also, we have problems with other crimes in the US but nowhere do I hear people talking about "theft culture" or "assault culture".


You're actually going to set here, with a straight face, and tell me that rape culture doesn't exist in the United States? Kinda like how if women are legitimately raped, they have ways of shutting their bodies down so they really don't get pregnant. Or how they were slutty and just asking for it, and should have never been out there in the first place?
2012-12-04 06:48:31 AM  
1 votes:

Dracolich: I'm visualizing you being essentially tossed onto a pile of men who are compelled by their penises to achive intercourse and promote rape.


Prison, you mean?

I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".
2012-12-04 06:45:19 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: There is nothing amusing about this, at all. Not only did she ruin the life of a man who is innocent, by her own admission, she has furthered the rape culture which makes women unlikely to come forward and admit they were actually raped.


Rape culture?

Show me anywhere in the US where rape is not a crime. The total number of rapes has been steadily declining and the rapes per 100K persons has been dropping even faster. Also, we have problems with other crimes in the US but nowhere do I hear people talking about "theft culture" or "assault culture".
2012-12-04 06:43:12 AM  
1 votes:
This animal deserves to be punished for rape. She was ruining a man's life forever. This monster should take responsibility and suffer jail time.
2012-12-04 06:28:31 AM  
1 votes:
Exception Collection:Rape culture

ks1415:Rape culture

Seriously, how do you two even leave the house? We live in rape culture, murder culture, auto theft culture, starting wars under false pretenses culture, cheating on tax return culture.

Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them. I also don't steal cars, murder, start wars, cheat on my taxes (though my last audit turned up a couple math errors and a relative lack of understanding of how in the hell I was really supposed to do depreciation, so you got me there.)

Jesus.
2012-12-04 06:26:48 AM  
1 votes:
We should let real rape victims determine her sentence.
2012-12-04 06:03:51 AM  
1 votes:
What if there's more to this than what we're seeing?

What if it really wasn't consensual, she turned him in, she found out the typical sentancing, and then she decided it was too harsh? What then? Do we even care enough to find out? I'm seeing a lot of people rush to judgement.

Are we really so sure that the third-party news team will dig into the facts for completeness, or do they just want a story? It's a news report, not a court verdict.

How much are we projecting at this woman due to recent political statements? Read the comments here. People are going so far as to blame her for other people's silence on non-related rapes. That's really pushing it. There are so many other factors involved that will play a much greater role in that decision. She also can't be blamed if others use her as a point of reference. We're basically saying that other people don't have responsibility for how they apply information that they hear. Did she even ask for news coverage?

The entire thing just feels like a witch hunt.
2012-12-04 06:02:46 AM  
1 votes:
I'd plea guilty on the condition that people don't find out I slept with THAT
2012-12-04 05:46:34 AM  
1 votes:
Never stick your dick in crazy.

/what a horrible woman
//ruining a mans life and the lives of other women who now won't come forward
2012-12-04 05:28:18 AM  
1 votes:
In Sweden her accusation probably would have stood up.
2012-12-04 05:22:43 AM  
1 votes:

ks1415: Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.


Heh. Rape and consent issues are of huge importance to me - not because I've been raped (though with my luck I expect that to happen one day), but because others have. And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue; a friend of mine is writing back and forth to an old friend she wants to start dating - but can't, because he (supposedly, I don't know all the facts) was thrown in prison on nothing more than three "eyewitnesses" and a "bad" alibi. (The alibi was by the the current girlfriend, aka the victim's mother; supposedly her (adult) daughter had propositioned him and was turned down, so she and some friends that disliked him perjured themselves. That's what my friend says, at least. I'm not sure what to believe.)

Consent is critical to any relationship.
2012-12-04 05:11:59 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.

This.

There is nothing amusing about this, at all. Not only did she ruin the life of a man who is innocent, by her own admission, she has furthered the rape culture which makes women unlikely to come forward and admit they were actually raped.


It's amusing because all women are disgusting liars out to trap men! There is no such thing as rape, it's just a feminazi conspiracy- look how many stories there are about women lying, it just proves all women are evil!
/Confirmation bias you say? Never heard of it...
//If one woman lies....one woman is lying.
2012-12-04 05:11:33 AM  
1 votes:

Exception Collection: Oddly enough, I think that's reasonable. Though since sometimes one accuser brings others out of their hiding spots, maybe that wouldn't work.


Once he's convicted and his name is in the paper...

metaskie: Yes. Untill someone has been proven guilty in a court of law, the names of either party should never be public information. Once accused, even if proven innocent, it's too damn difficult to shake loose that reputation.


It's actually done that way in some other countries. I want to say one of them is Britain but I could be wrong.
HBK
2012-12-04 05:09:43 AM  
1 votes:

Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: A key that opens every lock is a master key.

A lock that opens to every key is a shiatty lock.

That's not rape-culture. That's science.

Hate to break it to you, but what you have isn't a key, though I can see how you might have mistaken it for one. And your joke, right there, *is* rape culture.


EVERYTHING IS RAPE CULTURE~~!!! WHY CAN'T YOU ALL SEE THAT!!!!

/It's like I'm the only one who sees all the rape!
2012-12-04 04:56:06 AM  
1 votes:
I had never heard of Meetme.com until I had read the story about the guy who murdered the girl he had met through the site yesterday. And now there's this story.

I think I'll stick to OKCupid.
2012-12-04 04:51:45 AM  
1 votes:
Well, this man has been accused of things twice. Once was rape. The other was poor sexual performance. He should be able to put contrary testimony on the local news.
2012-12-04 04:50:18 AM  
1 votes:
Goddamnit. This is exactly the kind of woman who helps idiots like Todd Akin perpetuate the myth that, at best, there are different kinds of rape. At worst, she makes all women look like they want the sex every single time and just decide afterward that they didn't want it after all.
2012-12-04 04:49:15 AM  
1 votes:

metaskie: randomjsa: Is it time yet to change the law to be fair?

I'm all for protecting the name of the accuser in the case of rape but if, and only if, we also protect the name of the accused until after the trial. If he's found guilty, then put his name in every paper, but until then he deserves just as much right not to have his name dragged through the mud as she does.

Holy farkshiat, I agree with something this troll said. Were the Mayans right? Is it ending soon?

Yes. Untill someone has been proven guilty in a court of law, the names of either party should never be public information. Once accused, even if proven innocent, it's too damn difficult to shake loose that reputation.

/Innocent until proven guilty?
//Not to society.
///Slashies?
////Of course!


Broken clock, yada yada yada.

/Even Bill O'Reilly is right every so often
2012-12-04 04:45:06 AM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: Is it time yet to change the law to be fair?

I'm all for protecting the name of the accuser in the case of rape but if, and only if, we also protect the name of the accused until after the trial. If he's found guilty, then put his name in every paper, but until then he deserves just as much right not to have his name dragged through the mud as she does.


Holy farkshiat, I agree with something this troll said. Were the Mayans right? Is it ending soon?

Yes. Untill someone has been proven guilty in a court of law, the names of either party should never be public information. Once accused, even if proven innocent, it's too damn difficult to shake loose that reputation.

/Innocent until proven guilty?
//Not to society.
///Slashies?
////Of course!
2012-12-04 04:42:30 AM  
1 votes:
All rape is legitimate rape. even made up rape. right?

I get confused.

/ Prison time should be served, but then no one would EVER recant false accusations.
2012-12-04 04:32:05 AM  
1 votes:
This thread will turn out well...
2012-12-04 04:31:07 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists

Not where I'm at. Everyone around here is pretty anti-rape.


Anti-rape, yes. Anti-things-that-support-rape, probably not. Victim blaming, ostracization of those that have been victimized, attacks on women as "sluts" while men that get laid often are "studs"... those are all part of rape culture.

/My god, I'm turning into a feminist.
//As long as I don't turn into a RadFem I think I'll be OK.
2012-12-04 04:21:38 AM  
1 votes:
That is so low. Fark you, lady.
2012-12-04 01:38:18 AM  
1 votes:

namatad: Lorelle: Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.

This. I hate women who do this sort of thing.

should be a felony
and should have a pretty big penalty attached to it ...

on the other hand, if the penalty is TOO large, then the women who file false reports might be LESS likely to admit they lied in the first place ....

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
maybe death penalty ....
that would put the FEAR of filing a false rape charge in the first place

sigh
at least the cops did their jobs and charged her


The problem is proving a false report as opposed to one you can't prove. Rape culture still exists, and women are still afraid to acknowledge when they've been raped for fear that they won't be believed.
2012-12-04 01:07:44 AM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: GAT_00: Police charged her with filing a false report. A bond was set at $2,000.

Of course, the man she accused was look at what, 10 years? This seems fair.

She's just been charged. I"m sure there will be other punative measures when she either pleads guilty or is found guilty by a jury of her peers.

Of course she won't spend the rest of her life on a sex offender registry which her unskilled paramour narrowly avoided.


That's why you do oral.
2012-12-04 12:44:19 AM  
1 votes:
Police charged her with filing a false report. A bond was set at $2,000.

Of course, the man she accused was look at what, 10 years? This seems fair.
2012-12-04 12:35:34 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe prison would have been good for him. He was clearly desperate for a relationship.
 
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