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2012-12-04 01:07:33 PM
This is the thread where Men's Rights Activists hold up this single case as absolute proof that all women are liars and whores, correct?
 
2012-12-04 01:11:16 PM
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2012-12-04 01:07:33 PM


This is the thread where Men's Rights Activists hold up this single case as absolute proof that all women are liars and whores, correct?




No, it's the thread that gets raped by by people with their panties in a wad about vague societal attitudes and "cultures".
 
2012-12-04 01:22:26 PM

Befuddled: She should at least have to pay for a billboard to be put up in her home town, with her name and face on it, saying that she lied about being raped and that billboard has to stay up for at least three years.


this would be a good start
 
2012-12-04 01:35:17 PM
hint women: stop fighting rape is not rape if u don't fight
 
2012-12-04 01:39:56 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: This is the thread where Men's Rights Activists hold up this single case as absolute proof that all women are liars and whores, correct?


You're late. You missed the last 400 comments where they did just that.
 
2012-12-04 01:44:54 PM

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.


Normally, I'm behind you 100%, but this is a thread where I'm agreeing with randomjsa, so I'm gonna just accept this is Bizzaro Thread and call you out here. Did you ever think about what would happen to the rape victim if the trial was successful? Their family and friends would know they'd been raped, the victim would be called every type of slut imaginable and his\her whole life would be laid bare for a court...

It's hard to put yourself in the shoes of a victim, but it is very hard for them to come forward, because they're essentially taking their most personal nightmare (in any context, actually, not just rape--abuse victims have this problem too) and not only handing it to twelve strangers, but letting quite a lot of people comb it over looking for ways to blame them. And on some level, the victim very often believes it was their fault, that they did deserve it. That gets worse if the family or friends are blaming the victim, which can happen in rape cases..

Recanting is sometimes the lie, not the accusation. I don't know what TFA's situation is, because I don't know the woman (although yeah, it sounds plausible that she was just a dumbass liar). But claiming that recanting is in itself a crime is not only pretty much admitting you don't understand the POV of either party, it means you could be accidentally blaming someone whose only crime is to be very heavily damaged.

/This is why people scream bloody murder about rape culture. You might mean it as a joke, I don't know, but when someone with trauma hears that, their inner critic (psych term: it means a script running through their head that basically calls them every name under the sun and forces them to behave the way the truamatizer wanted) takes it and turns it up to eleven without joking. They've got enough problems coming forward. Adding to it doesn't help anyone.
 
2012-12-04 01:45:06 PM

BronyMedic: The My Little Pony Killer: This is the thread where Men's Rights Activists hold up this single case as absolute proof that all women are liars and whores, correct?

You're late. You missed the last 400 comments where they did just that.


Plus about 20 who just whined about how "you dumb feminists are making it harder for me to joke about an ugly chick on the internet."
 
2012-12-04 01:51:13 PM

PsiChick: But claiming that recanting is in itself a crime is not only pretty much admitting you don't understand the POV of either party, it means you could be accidentally blaming someone whose only crime is to be very heavily damaged.


The idea is that not just recanting, but DELIBERATELY making a false claim in order to get someone in trouble should be more harshly penalized.

I'm not really behind this idea, because a) it will still make it harder for victims to come forward, b) false claims area already a crime, and c) given what women filing reports already go through, this will just make things worse when a woman gets yelled at for not remembering EXACTLY what went on during a traumatic farking event.

It seems like everyone has a "I knew someone who falsely accused someone of rape and ruined their life" story, rather than hard evidence as to how common this is. There are numbers suggesting that rape convictions are often mistaken, and that victims often have issues identifying their assailant. Not much saying that a significant portion of clams are made up.

Meanwhile, there ARE numbers saying that a significant portion of women are raped. Like, a huge huge chunk.
 
2012-12-04 01:59:23 PM

aagrajag: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: He might have every desire in the world to comply with her command but may be unable to do so.

If he's physically unable to comply, then he lacked the intent to commit rape, yes? Therefore, it's not rape, which is a crime that requires intent.

You're really not reading what I'm writing, are you?

Give it up, man. I had to put that guy on ignore a long time ago, since he's pretty much always been a caricature of a feminist that even Rush Limbaugh himself would blush at creating; I got sick of knowing exactly what kind of crap he would post.

But he's 100% for-real. He's a zealot. You will never have a rational discussion with him on anything touching upon gender politics.

The sun rises in 5 hours, so I'm to bed. Cheers, all.


I concur with this assessment. Unless you argue that "men bad, women good" with this fellow, you're better off talking to your cat.
 
2012-12-04 02:05:58 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: A Terrible Human: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Never argued otherwise but to be honest, the following exchange doesn't strike me as particularly rapey:

OMG I'm gonna cum!
NO!

You do know the body react involuntarily to shiat like that right? Like if I had an orgrasm during any of the sexual abuse I endured as a child doesn't mean I enjoyed it or wanted it.

I probably should have made it clearer that it was a conversation between two people. i.e.

Him: OMG, I'm gonna cum!
Her: No!

The joke is that she's not telling him no to sex but rather not to complete the act which runs counter to "continuing after she says no is pretty rapey" comment I was responding to. He might have every desire in the world to comply with her command but may be unable to do so.


Ooh, even more gender/sexuality stuff for me to get yelled at about on fark!

Whether or not a dude cums has damn near nothing to do with whether or not sex was had. Believe it or not. If you wanna get all psychoanalytical, you could say that this focus on the male orgasm as the "turning point" is pretty gender-biased.

Basically, this scenario has as much to do with "tricking" a guy into raping a woman as the woman yelling "no!" at any other point after he enters her.

Also, this doesn't happen.
 
2012-12-04 02:24:50 PM

Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists

Not where I'm at. Everyone around here is pretty anti-rape.

Anti-rape, yes. Anti-things-that-support-rape, probably not. Victim blaming, ostracization of those that have been victimized, attacks on women as "sluts" while men that get laid often are "studs"... those are all part of rape culture.

/My god, I'm turning into a feminist.
//As long as I don't turn into a RadFem I think I'll be OK.


So, the double standard is now "rape culture"? Great, another bullshiat neologism.
 
2012-12-04 02:29:41 PM

BronyMedic: Artisan Sandwich: Fark is being ruined by shrill, self-enlightened posers again. Better argue more on the internet guys, in case someone doesn't think you're really smart.

[i.qkme.me image 311x311]

No deep conversation on the internet, people!

Theaetetus: I bet I could find someone who believes lizard people and reverse vampires run the government

[download.lardlad.com image 320x240]

So, finally, we're in agreement then. The Rand Corporation, in a nefarious scheme with the saucer people, and backed up by the coveneant of the Reverse Vampires, are in a sinister plot to eliminate desert before bedtime.

We're through the looking glass, people.


I just remember lurking back in the days of fun, civil discourse. So yeah, I guess I am butthurt that you are ruining fark for me. You are not usually so bad, but today you are. And thus, my butt hurts.
 
2012-12-04 02:35:42 PM

Artisan Sandwich: I just remember lurking back in the days of fun, civil discourse. So yeah, I guess I am butthurt that you are ruining fark for me. You are not usually so bad, but today you are. And thus, my butt hurts.




Could make it hurt a little more....
 
2012-12-04 02:39:39 PM

BronyMedic: Artisan Sandwich: I just remember lurking back in the days of fun, civil discourse. So yeah, I guess I am butthurt that you are ruining fark for me. You are not usually so bad, but today you are. And thus, my butt hurts.



Could make it hurt a little more....


You know that I'm a lizard person right?
 
2012-12-04 02:55:42 PM

serial_crusher: Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.

Did mods change the tag or something? Cause I didn't see any amusement.

false rape accusations are no laughing matter, unless you're falsely accusing a clown of rape.


LowbrowDeluxe: Heh. I think my favorite of these stories was the one from Arizona from a few years back. Young woman filed a rape claim, no information on her attacker, police asked around and people told them she was a huge party girl and drama queen and they threatened her with everything under the sun till she recanted then filed for the same filing a false police report charge which she plead guilty to.

Couple years later, pretty much by absolute accident, they managed to catch a serial rapist. Turns out he took pictures of all his victims as he was torturing them. In the process of tracking down the identity of all the victims so they could press as many charges as they could, guess whose pictures were in there?


Well, there is a reason serial rapists prey on prostitutes and sluts: No one gives a shiat about them when bad shiat eventually does happen. They know the chances of investigation are low and of conviction miniscule. (A lot of cops see the pattern so frequently that they automatically assume rape victim = whore or slut, too. It's hard to get past prejudices when they're all that keeps you from snapping on the job.)
 
2012-12-04 03:21:31 PM

BronyMedic: You're late. You missed the last 400 comments where they did just that.


Really? I can't recall reading a single comment where that happened. I can recall any number of comments by you where you took evidence that was offered to refute your mad rhetoric and you consistently ignored it. Nobody here is promoting 'rape culture' and no one here is defending actual rapists.

What people were doing was talking about was how rape accusations are false a fair portion of the time and how the accusation can be used as a weapon.

I just have two questions for you, as I think your sexist as hell against men and your answer will either leave no doubt or give you a chance to prove your not. What should happen to woman that false accuse men of rape? What should happen to the woman when the man goes to prison for a false accusation of rape?

/have had a friend falsely accused of rape
//have also known friends that were rape victims (both female and male)
 
2012-12-04 03:25:55 PM

Dafatone: PsiChick: But claiming that recanting is in itself a crime is not only pretty much admitting you don't understand the POV of either party, it means you could be accidentally blaming someone whose only crime is to be very heavily damaged.

The idea is that not just recanting, but DELIBERATELY making a false claim in order to get someone in trouble should be more harshly penalized.

I'm not really behind this idea, because a) it will still make it harder for victims to come forward, b) false claims area already a crime, and c) given what women filing reports already go through, this will just make things worse when a woman gets yelled at for not remembering EXACTLY what went on during a traumatic farking event.

It seems like everyone has a "I knew someone who falsely accused someone of rape and ruined their life" story, rather than hard evidence as to how common this is. There are numbers suggesting that rape convictions are often mistaken, and that victims often have issues identifying their assailant. Not much saying that a significant portion of clams are made up.

Meanwhile, there ARE numbers saying that a significant portion of women are raped. Like, a huge huge chunk.


I know--my point is that you can't always tell who's lying and who isn't. So the end effect would be to further stigmatize and silence victims.

If we had a mind-reading machine with no errors, sure, go ahead and argue for penalizing lying. In the meantime, there's no real way to tell most of the time.

/And yes...I have to wonder: Are some of those friends 'falsely accused' just really good liars? I don't know how it works with rape, but domestic abusers go out of their way to look nice to other people, and that's a huge problem for abuse victims--everyone assumes the victim, who is usually set up by the abuser to look crazy, is lying.
 
2012-12-04 03:26:59 PM

Dracolich: fredbox: Dracolich: fredbox: Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them.

Interesting choice of words

How's that?

"Lumping something in" is based on a physical process. It's used as verbal imagery. So, in this case, I'm visualizing you being essentially tossed onto a pile of men who are compelled by their penises to achive intercourse and promote rape. Use your imagination at this point for all of the details. Then, over that image there's one of those old red circle with a line through it "no" signs.


Started drinking early I see.
 
2012-12-04 03:31:55 PM
The solution to this "is it rape or is she lying" thing is simple: sex referees and monitoring chips. Implant a chip in everyone at birth that sends a signal when that person has sex with another human being. All sex that does not involve a referee is illegal. The chip can measure arousal and then if the person is coerced into sex without being willingly aroused first and if no referee is present when the sex happens, the person that is actually aroused is declared the rapist and is hauled off to jail.

The alternative is to live with a sucky system that can't cope with the general lack of hard evidence to prove or disprove a rape case.

In theory, all people who are raped should be able to come forward without fear of shaming or disbelief, and likewise all people should be able to engage in sex without it being falsely labeled rape after the fact due to regret. Sadly there is no system that does not introduce Orwellian monitoring of people. As a result few will get caught, many will get away with it, and some will have their lives ruined on false accusations. Such is the nature of an activity that does not leave much hard evidence and often done in private places away from prying eyes.

/depressed now
//people suck
 
2012-12-04 03:39:50 PM

onyxruby: BronyMedic: You're late. You missed the last 400 comments where they did just that.

Really? I can't recall reading a single comment where that happened. I can recall any number of comments by you where you took evidence that was offered to refute your mad rhetoric and you consistently ignored it. Nobody here is promoting 'rape culture' and no one here is defending actual rapists.

What people were doing was talking about was how rape accusations are false a fair portion of the time and how the accusation can be used as a weapon.

I just have two questions for you, as I think your sexist as hell against men and your answer will either leave no doubt or give you a chance to prove your not. What should happen to woman that false accuse men of rape? What should happen to the woman when the man goes to prison for a false accusation of rape?

/have had a friend falsely accused of rape
//have also known friends that were rape victims (both female and male)


I'm sorry to break this to you, but I've been a victim of false accusation. The only reason why the woman wasn't able to pursue the case was that we had her on tape calling my parents (I was 18 at the time) and demanding we pay her money to drop the case, or she'd make sure I went to jail. She was also under investigation in Michigan at the time for doing the exact same thing to her last boyfriend - it's the reason why her parents suddenly up and moved her to Tennessee overnight.
 
2012-12-04 03:46:17 PM

LLGames: The solution to this "is it rape or is she lying" thing is simple: sex referees and monitoring chips. Implant a chip in everyone at birth that sends a signal when that person has sex with another human being. All sex that does not involve a referee is illegal. The chip can measure arousal and then if the person is coerced into sex without being willingly aroused first and if no referee is present when the sex happens, the person that is actually aroused is declared the rapist and is hauled off to jail.

The alternative is to live with a sucky system that can't cope with the general lack of hard evidence to prove or disprove a rape case.

In theory, all people who are raped should be able to come forward without fear of shaming or disbelief, and likewise all people should be able to engage in sex without it being falsely labeled rape after the fact due to regret. Sadly there is no system that does not introduce Orwellian monitoring of people. As a result few will get caught, many will get away with it, and some will have their lives ruined on false accusations. Such is the nature of an activity that does not leave much hard evidence and often done in private places away from prying eyes.

/depressed now
//people suck


or just don't have sex
 
2012-12-04 03:47:10 PM

LLGames: The solution to this "is it rape or is she lying" thing is simple: sex referees and monitoring chips.


I misread that as "monitoring chimps", and thought "Good idea! If they detect a rape in progress, they can be trained to rip the rapist's face off!"...

itre.cis.upenn.edu

"Hmmm, did I just hear her say 'stop'?"
 
2012-12-04 03:47:46 PM

Serious Black: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception

I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.


It's often more than "wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers". I empathize with women who are in situations I could imagine women I care about being in. Being assaulted walking home alone? I can imagine that happening to my mother or girlfriend, so I'm upset. Getting shiatfaced and going home with a strange man who gets rapey? I can't see that happening to any women I care about, so I don't empathize and I don't care.
 
2012-12-04 03:51:05 PM

BronyMedic: I'm sorry to break this to you, but I've been a victim of false accusation.


And we're just supposed to take your word for this? A woman wouldn't just make something like that up. Justify it all you want. It won't change the fact that you are a rapist and supporting rape culture via your actions. You should be castrated and locked away for the rest of your life.

Jesus, the misogyny around here is ridiculous.
 
2012-12-04 03:56:07 PM

umad: BronyMedic: I'm sorry to break this to you, but I've been a victim of false accusation.

And we're just supposed to take your word for this? A woman wouldn't just make something like that up. Justify it all you want. It won't change the fact that you are a rapist and supporting rape culture via your actions. You should be castrated and locked away for the rest of your life.

Jesus, the misogyny around here is ridiculous.


Wow, defavorited for that troll.
 
2012-12-04 03:58:35 PM

umad: BronyMedic: I'm sorry to break this to you, but I've been a victim of false accusation.
A woman wouldn't just make something like that up.


Know how I know you DNRTFA? Go back to your Womens Studies echo chamber and whine about how oppressed you are.
 
2012-12-04 03:59:42 PM

BronyMedic: I'm sorry to break this to you, but I've been a victim of false accusation. The only reason why the woman wasn't able to pursue the case was that we had her on tape calling my parents (I was 18 at the time) and demanding we pay her money to drop the case, or she'd make sure I went to jail. She was also under investigation in Michigan at the time for doing the exact same thing to her last boyfriend - it's the reason why her parents suddenly up and moved her to Tennessee overnight


I find your stance puzzling considering you have been falsely accused yourself. I was similarly saved from a false accusation (not rape) by a recording that I made at the behest of law enforcement. In my case my ex-wife showed up to the police station covered in bruises all over her body that she claimed I put there. The fact that I had the recording of my entire encounter with her was the only thing that kept me from going to jail and losing custody of my son. This was actually the second time she had someone beat the piss out of her in an attempt to have me arrested. The first time she forgot that she had been seen by the cops the at the very moment we separated in unbeaten condition. Luckily for me law enforcement kept their head about things and never bothered me.

That being said, I'd still like to know what you think is the appropriate punishment for someone who makes a false (not mistaken) rape accusation. I'm starting to think you've just been trolling, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
 
2012-12-04 04:05:16 PM

JesusJuice: umad: BronyMedic: I'm sorry to break this to you, but I've been a victim of false accusation.
A woman wouldn't just make something like that up.

Know how I know you DNRTFA? Go back to your Womens Studies echo chamber and whine about how oppressed you are.


Why don't you order yourself a new sarcasm detector instead?
 
2012-12-04 04:06:38 PM

foxyshadis: Well, there is a reason serial rapists prey on prostitutes and sluts: No one gives a shiat about them when bad shiat eventually does happen.


It could be worse. Serial murderers prey on the same population.

No one misses solitary people existing on the edges of society.
 
2012-12-04 04:08:41 PM

ExcaliburPrime111: Wow, defavorited for that troll.


That was a BronyMedic impersonation, not a troll.
 
2012-12-04 04:14:33 PM

Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: A key that opens every lock is a master key.

A lock that opens to every key is a shiatty lock.

That's not rape-culture. That's science.

Hate to break it to you, but what you have isn't a key, though I can see how you might have mistaken it for one. And your joke, right there, *is* rape culture.


Or maybe he's alluding that sexually very successful men are more admired by both sexes than very promiscuous women? It is what it is.

www.themovies.co.za

"That's a fact."
 
2012-12-04 04:20:55 PM

JesusJuice: Serious Black: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception

I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.

It's often more than "wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers". I empathize with women who are in situations I could imagine women I care about being in. Being assaulted walking home alone? I can imagine that happening to my mother or girlfriend, so I'm upset. Getting shiatfaced and going home with a strange man who gets rapey? I can't see that happening to any women I care about, so I don't empathize and I don't care.


What if a woman has a few beers with someone she's known for years and he gets "rapey"? What if a teen trusts an older friend of the family whom everyone loves and he or she gets rapey? What if person who is kind of flighty or less popular stays late to help a pastor who is a well liked pillar of the community and he gets rapey? When exactly is acquaintance rape okay by your standards?

False police reports should be prosecuted if they can be proven to be malicious or knowingly false beyond a shadow of a doubt. False statements should result in defamation or other civil suits if the plaintiff can prove it's more likely than not the defendant acted as alleged. The law protects both parties (to a certain extent).

"Her said she said" situations are hard. Often the law can't come down on either side and only two people know the truth (at least as they each see it). We can't make general conclusions about how they are all lies or are all rapists who walked free. This doesn't mean we shouldn't take all rape allegations seriously, even if the accuser knew the alleged attacker.

Would you limit "real rape" to attacks by a stranger in an alley? Can you imagine your mom or girlfriend working late with a college who seems perfectly nice? Have you ever gone on a first date with someone you don't know well? Men can also be victims of rape or other attacks by a date. Can you imagine yourself attacked by someone you had trusted because she seemed nice?

Of course there should be penalties for knowingly or maliciously making false reports of rape. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take rape allegations seriously unless they are made by your mother or your girlfriend (or other approved "nice" people). Even bad girls (and boys) have the right to say no.
 
2012-12-04 04:29:18 PM

Dafatone: It seems like everyone has a "I knew someone who falsely accused someone of rape and ruined their life" story, rather than hard evidence as to how common this is.

Well, if you had read he rest of the thread before , you would know i is no that ucomo at all.

There are numbers suggesting that rape convictions are often mistaken, and that victims often have issues identifying their assailant. Not much saying that a significant portion of clams are made up.

about 8%a least, say FBI

Meanwhile, there ARE numbers saying that a significant portion of women are raped. Like, a huge huge chunk.


yeah, like 99% say Susan Dworkin.

and puting innocent into jail will totaly help them
 
2012-12-04 04:32:15 PM
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DID SOMEBODY SAY "RAPE CULTURE"?
 
2012-12-04 04:50:53 PM

Aunt Crabby: JesusJuice: Serious Black: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception

I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.

It's often more than "wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers". I empathize with women who are in situations I could imagine women I care about being in. Being assaulted walking home alone? I can imagine that happening to my mother or girlfriend, so I'm upset. Getting shiatfaced and going home with a strange man who gets rapey? I can't see that happening to any women I care about, so I don't empathize and I don't care.

What if a woman has a few beers with someone she's known for years and he gets "rapey"? What if a teen trusts an older friend of the family whom everyone loves and he or she gets rapey? What if person who is kind of flighty or less popular stays late to help a pastor who is a well liked pillar of the community and he gets rapey? When exactly is acquaintance rape okay by your standards?

False police reports should be prosecuted if they can be proven to be malicious or knowingly false beyond a shadow of a doubt. False statements should result in defamation or other civil suits if the plaintiff can prove it's more likely than not the defendant acted as alleged. The law protects both parties (to a certain extent).

"Her said she said" situations are hard. Often the law can't come down on eith ...


All the scenarios you mentioned could potentially happen to decent women I care about. All I'm saying is there are situations where it's okay to shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, what did you think was going to happen?" If a woman's engaging in high-risk behaviors, rape isn't a problem it's just a hazard.
 
2012-12-04 05:14:29 PM

JesusJuice: All the scenarios you mentioned could potentially happen to decent women I care about. All I'm saying is there are situations where it's okay to shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, what did you think was going to happen?" If a woman's engaging in high-risk behaviors, rape isn't a problem it's just a hazard


So only good people who make sound decisions are entitled to protection of the law?

I notice you seem to focus on women as the only people who should control their bad or risky behaviors, as if men can't be victims. If a man engages in high risks like drinking in a bar or having sex with strangers, is it his own fault if he gets attacked or robed or shot or stabbed, and therefore not a matter for the police?
 
2012-12-04 05:16:03 PM

On-Off: Dafatone: It seems like everyone has a "I knew someone who falsely accused someone of rape and ruined their life" story, rather than hard evidence as to how common this is.

Well, if you had read he rest of the thread before , you would know i is no that ucomo at all.

There are numbers suggesting that rape convictions are often mistaken, and that victims often have issues identifying their assailant. Not much saying that a significant portion of clams are made up.

about 8%a least, say FBI

Meanwhile, there ARE numbers saying that a significant portion of women are raped. Like, a huge huge chunk.

yeah, like 99% say Susan Dworkin says people who have never read Dworkin and disagree with her on principle.


FTFY. She never actually said that, and she's specifically disclaimed what people like you accuse her of saying.
 
2012-12-04 05:20:55 PM

Aunt Crabby: JesusJuice: All the scenarios you mentioned could potentially happen to decent women I care about. All I'm saying is there are situations where it's okay to shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, what did you think was going to happen?" If a woman's engaging in high-risk behaviors, rape isn't a problem it's just a hazard

So only good people who make sound decisions are entitled to protection of the law?

I notice you seem to focus on women as the only people who should control their bad or risky behaviors, as if men can't be victims. If a man engages in high risks like drinking in a bar or having sex with strangers, is it his own fault if he gets attacked or robed or shot or stabbed, and therefore not a matter for the police?


I never said the police shouldn't investigate crimes, only that it's okay to withhold sympathy and find fault with 'victims' who put themselves in compromising situations.

Man farks a bunch of strangers and gets an STD? It's the fault of whoever gave him the STD, but who gives a shiat about him? He put himself in that situation.

Woman gets plastered and goes home with a strange man who violently rapes her? It's the fault of the rapist, but who gives a shiat about her? She put herself in that situation.
 
2012-12-04 05:22:26 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Exception Collection: ks1415: Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.

Heh. Rape and consent issues are of huge importance to me - not because I've been raped (though with my luck I expect that to happen one day), but because others have. And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue; a friend of mine is writing back and forth to an old friend she wants to start dating - but can't, because he (supposedly, I don't know all the facts) was thrown in prison on nothing more than three "eyewitnesses" and a "bad" alibi. (The alibi was by the the current girlfriend, aka the victim's mother; supposedly her (adult) daughter had propositioned him and was turned down, so she and some friends that disliked him perjured themselves. That's what my friend says, at least. I'm not sure what to believe.)

Consent is critical to any relationship.

it's going to get to the point that men are going to have to require a legal document "Consent for Sexual Activity" signed in triplicate and notarized before they are going to take the risk just for CYA purposes.


Good idea.

There used to be something like that...marriage, perhaps. Now men offer women nothing. Women work like men, and when there are children, they still do most of the housework and child rearing.

So you tell me, stud, what makes you so special that a good looking woman with a career should suck your dick and be thankful? Men have all but fallen off the radar of societal importance. We even have synthetic sperm or donated sperm (you are usually too busy with your video games and porn to actually "father".).

You tell me what your value is, and why we should let you fark us.
 
2012-12-04 05:31:08 PM

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.


This times 1 million. As long as there is no harsh punishment for this type of activity, it will continue. And I mean only in PROVEN (this, the Duke rape case, and I think there have been a few others documented here on Fark) cases so that it does not prevent women from coming forward with legitimate claims.
 
2012-12-04 05:31:38 PM

Witness99: HindiDiscoMonster: Exception Collection: ks1415: Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.

Heh. Rape and consent issues are of huge importance to me - not because I've been raped (though with my luck I expect that to happen one day), but because others have. And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue; a friend of mine is writing back and forth to an old friend she wants to start dating - but can't, because he (supposedly, I don't know all the facts) was thrown in prison on nothing more than three "eyewitnesses" and a "bad" alibi. (The alibi was by the the current girlfriend, aka the victim's mother; supposedly her (adult) daughter had propositioned him and was turned down, so she and some friends that disliked him perjured themselves. That's what my friend says, at least. I'm not sure what to believe.)

Consent is critical to any relationship.

it's going to get to the point that men are going to have to require a legal document "Consent for Sexual Activity" signed in triplicate and notarized before they are going to take the risk just for CYA purposes.

Good idea.

There used to be something like that...marriage, perhaps. Now men offer women nothing. Women work like men, and when there are children, they still do most of the housework and child rearing.

So you tell me, stud, what makes you so special that a good looking woman with a career should suck your dick and be thankful? Men have all but fallen off the radar of societal importance. We even have synthetic sperm or donated sperm (you are usually too busy with your video games and porn to actually "father".).

You tell me what your value is, and why we should let you fark us.


Because we can be very entertaining as long as you're a sadist.

Girl: I bet you can't even cook dinner.
Guy: Oh yeah?
Girl: Yeah.
Guy: I'll make pasta. Watch me!
Girl: Cheater, at least make the sauce from scratch.
Guy: What's in it for me?
Girl: Maybe a little fun upstairs.....
Guy: You're on!

This will end with either a fantastic dinner, or a winning entry for America's Funniest Home videos.
 
2012-12-04 05:44:10 PM
If a man does not contribute anything more than his orgasm....what use is he? We have all these douchebags on fark that judge women's looks (knees too sharp, do not want, etc).

As if those women would even have you. Look, women have taken the lead on income and education. If your fat, lazy, sorry ass ever gets laid again thank your lucky stars, STUDMAN69.

Society is all farked up right now. Women are shouldering the majority of the burden. These mediocre Internet guys who biatch about the price of sex these days.....wise up douchebags. What do YOU bring to the table? Not more than I do, so shut the fark up about your dick and it's needs. We don't care. How are you going to contribute? This is a warning. You are quickly falling off the radar.

end rant
Back to your video games and porn
 
2012-12-04 05:44:57 PM

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.



THIS x rapezillion.

/Thread over
 
2012-12-04 05:49:23 PM

JesusJuice: I never said the police shouldn't investigate crimes, only that it's okay to withhold sympathy and find fault with 'victims' who put themselves in compromising situations.


It must be nice to be perfect. I can't make you feel sympathy, but I know lots of people who sometimes make bad choices. I agree that education may help people make better choices, but I can still empathize with victims who have human failings. The problem with blaming the victim is that is gives you a false sense of security and sets the victims up as a sort of "other" less deserving type or person. The untying logic is that bad things only happen to bad people, and if a person is good enough and never makes mistakes he or she will be safe. That may make you feel better, but it isn't true.
 
2012-12-04 06:03:14 PM
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2012-12-04 06:03:27 PM

Aunt Crabby: JesusJuice: I never said the police shouldn't investigate crimes, only that it's okay to withhold sympathy and find fault with 'victims' who put themselves in compromising situations.

It must be nice to be perfect. I can't make you feel sympathy, but I know lots of people who sometimes make bad choices. I agree that education may help people make better choices, but I can still empathize with victims who have human failings. The problem with blaming the victim is that is gives you a false sense of security and sets the victims up as a sort of "other" less deserving type or person. The untying logic is that bad things only happen to bad people, and if a person is good enough and never makes mistakes he or she will be safe. That may make you feel better, but it isn't true.


You can't see the forest for the trees. By ostracizing those who make poor decisions, society incentivizes good decisions. People who do stupid shiat should be considered "other", cut off from and with reduced influence upon society at large. Their personal discomfort with this is secondary to the benefit we all get from seeing the negative consequences of poor behavior.
 
2012-12-04 06:11:40 PM

JesusJuice: You can't see the forest for the trees. By ostracizing those who make poor decisions, society incentivizes good decisions. People who do stupid shiat should be considered "other", cut off from and with reduced influence upon society at large. Their personal discomfort with this is secondary to the benefit we all get from seeing the negative consequences of poor behavior.


If I ostracized everyone I know who sometimes made questionable choices, I'd ostracize everyone (including myself, which would be difficult). I don't think there is any evidence that shaming victims who made bad choices works as a way to better society. Again, it must be nice to be perfect.
 
2012-12-04 06:51:26 PM

Witness99: If a man does not contribute anything more than his orgasm....what use is he? We have all these douchebags on fark that judge women's looks (knees too sharp, do not want, etc).

As if those women would even have you. Look, women have taken the lead on income and education. If your fat, lazy, sorry ass ever gets laid again thank your lucky stars, STUDMAN69.

Society is all farked up right now. Women are shouldering the majority of the burden. These mediocre Internet guys who biatch about the price of sex these days.....wise up douchebags. What do YOU bring to the table? Not more than I do, so shut the fark up about your dick and it's needs. We don't care. How are you going to contribute? This is a warning. You are quickly falling off the radar.

end rant
Back to your video games and porn


I notice you failed to include a profile pic with that whine. I'm betting most of us wouldn't fark you with a stolen dick. Now get back to shouldering the majority of the burden and go make me a sammich.
 
2012-12-04 07:00:21 PM

Witness99: Back to your video games and porn


Not like I need your permission but thanks. :)

Thanks for the laugh, though. It's been a long day and it's always nice to cap it off with a smile and a chuckle.
 
2012-12-04 07:15:09 PM

Aunt Crabby: JesusJuice: You can't see the forest for the trees. By ostracizing those who make poor decisions, society incentivizes good decisions. People who do stupid shiat should be considered "other", cut off from and with reduced influence upon society at large. Their personal discomfort with this is secondary to the benefit we all get from seeing the negative consequences of poor behavior.

If I ostracized everyone I know who sometimes made questionable choices, I'd ostracize everyone (including myself, which would be difficult). I don't think there is any evidence that shaming victims who made bad choices works as a way to better society. Again, it must be nice to be perfect.


This is why it's a waste of time to argue with women; they don't comprehend logic and reason. You just can't abstract beyond yourself and those you know.
 
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