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2012-12-04 10:24:15 AM

Artisan Sandwich: gerbilpox: RobSeace: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Exception Collection: We have a culture that supports rape jokes

Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
/Just one scene of many good rape jokes throughout that movie...
//The best may be "people stampeded and cattle raped!"...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
[scrapetv.com image 384x494]
etc., etc...

Consult any random Fark thread for several hundred more good examples...

There are also tasteless jokes here about every damn thing under the sun, some of which are even worse.

(Queue outcry: "There's nothing worse than rape!" If you had a choice between being raped vs., for example, being tortured for weeks or having your loved ones murdered, which would you choose? STFU.)

Anyway, back to my point: jokes on Fark are no measure of what real-world actions are considered acceptable by our "culture" -- or even by Farkers themselves.

[cdn.inquisitr.com image 400x300]

This. Finally.


I'm willing to bet that a look at the FARK politics tab, or any Zimmernman thread lately, would tell you more about the people who post there than you think.

More than a few of the people you think are trolling in reality believe the tripe they post.
 
2012-12-04 10:28:08 AM

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 153x156]
I'm thinking it was the Rusty Trombone turned Cleveland Steamer that pushed her over the edge, so have some sympathy for her.

/that's what her expression tells me, anyway


What her expression tells me is that her defense attorney is going to order up some genetic screening in the hopes of cooking up a good excuse.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:55 AM

BronyMedic: Actually, no I'm not. You're talking about two different things, namely people who were maliciously falsely accused of rape, and people in 1996, when Forensic Science was JUST starting to use DNA evidence as a regular basis for rape conviction on a large scale basis - who were wrongfully convicted of rape due to misidentification, or due to other factors


Okay Kreskin, how do we differentiate between the malicious accusations and guys who just happened to look rapey?
 
2012-12-04 10:31:13 AM

aagrajag: Name another in which consent is the sole difference between a pleasant night for two people, and a violent assault. There is no other crime of which one can so simply and easily be accused, and so harshly punished, with no evidence but the word of the accuser. Even absent a trial, or conviction, the damage is massive to the accused's life. And, of course, the likelihood of negative consequences to an accuser found to be lying are all but non-existent. In many places, an accused's name can be immediately published, but not that of the accuser after things start to look dodgy.

Rape is a unique crime, but for more reasons than you think.


Fraud, robbery, theft, burglary, kidnapping. Hell, consent even turns violent assault into a boxing match. On a related note, thank you for consenting to let me borrow your new car.
 
2012-12-04 10:32:03 AM
I'm willing to bet that a look at the FARK politics tab, or any Zimmernman thread lately, would tell you more about the people who post there than you think.


If you believe comments on internet threads are truly indicitive of how people really are, then I suggest you try experiencing some life outside the internet.



/hint: it's not the same
 
2012-12-04 10:32:59 AM
This woman is ridiculous. How can you accuse someone of such a crime? I hate it when women make false rape claims. It's simply heartbreaking.
 
2012-12-04 10:33:16 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: BronyMedic: Actually, no I'm not. You're talking about two different things, namely people who were maliciously falsely accused of rape, and people in 1996, when Forensic Science was JUST starting to use DNA evidence as a regular basis for rape conviction on a large scale basis - who were wrongfully convicted of rape due to misidentification, or due to other factors

Okay Kreskin, how do we differentiate between the malicious accusations and guys who just happened to look rapey?


Do you believe in the doctrine of "innocent until proven guilty" or are you one of those "guilty until they prove their innocence beyond a reasonable doubt" type authoritarians?
 
2012-12-04 10:33:26 AM

Lorelle: Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.

This. I hate women who do this sort of thing.


She should be put in jail for the same amount of time that he would have gotten if convicted.
 
2012-12-04 10:35:08 AM

Theaetetus: Hell, consent even turns violent assault into a boxing match.


And yet in some places BDSM sex is illegal.
 
2012-12-04 10:36:26 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: [wtvf.images.worldnow.com image 400x300]
I'd counter-accuse her of rape rather than admit to willingly bed her. Is, too, funny, Bathia.


She doesn't look like she's very happy with anything...
 
2012-12-04 10:37:34 AM

Theaetetus: Do you believe in the doctrine of "innocent until proven guilty" or are you one of those "guilty until they prove their innocence beyond a reasonable doubt" type authoritarians?


I'm absolutely in the innocent until proven guilty camp which is why a 25% failure rate on DNA evidence vs convictions is so farking horrifying to me.

Don't be coy, make your point.
 
2012-12-04 10:38:18 AM
This is why you should always film yourself having sex.
 
2012-12-04 10:39:04 AM

namatad: Would also be sweet if he could sue her in civil court. Probably can.


That would require admitting in open court to having farked that... that thing.
 
2012-12-04 10:40:50 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Do you believe in the doctrine of "innocent until proven guilty" or are you one of those "guilty until they prove their innocence beyond a reasonable doubt" type authoritarians?

I'm absolutely in the innocent until proven guilty camp which is why a 25% failure rate on DNA evidence vs convictions is so farking horrifying to me.

Don't be coy, make your point.


Good, I agree. Then to return to your original question:
Okay Kreskin, how do we differentiate between the malicious accusations and guys who just happened to look rapey?
We know someone is guilty of making a malicious accusation when we've prosecuted and convicted them of such, with guilt found beyond a reasonable doubt. Until then, they are innocent.
 
2012-12-04 10:41:40 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Okay Kreskin, how do we differentiate between the malicious accusations and guys who just happened to look rapey?


I know the first thing I do when I want to seriously address someone is accuse them of being a fraud.

Classy.

There's no real way TO differentiate between malicious false reporting, without having an admission of such that we know is uncoerced, and a false accusation based on misidentification or an unsubstantiated claim based on lack of evidence.

However, this is not 1996, and forensic evidence is increasingly used to rule out suspects in rape cases. It's also far cheaper to do so today, than it was then. The sad thing is that even now, most rape test kits go untested because of crime lab backlog.

The idea that just looking at someone can differentiate between them being a rapist, and them not is idiotic.

Pick the rapist out:

www.kentonline.co.uk

Or:

www.timesnews.net

The good news is we know that malicious false reporting, based on statistics, is relatively low compared with "legitimate" rape reporting, even if the claims cannot be substantiated.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:03 AM

spiderpaz: Lorelle: Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.

This. I hate women who do this sort of thing.

She should be put in jail for the same amount of time that he would have gotten if convicted.


Tie her up and giver her over to the women of the tribe to do as they please.
 
2012-12-04 10:44:27 AM

Xenomech: This is why you should always film yourself having sex.


I know you're joking but that is no protection against retraction of consent due to diminished capacity. I've even seen the argument put forward that women should be able to retract consent after the fact.
 
2012-12-04 10:44:34 AM

HailRobonia: Theaetetus: Hell, consent even turns violent assault into a boxing match.

And yet in some places BDSM sex is illegal.


Ah yes. The "We're against big government unless it's in your bedroom, you naughty, naughty sodomites." approach to conservative moralism.
 
2012-12-04 10:45:46 AM

gerbilpox: RobSeace: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Exception Collection: We have a culture that supports rape jokes

Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
/Just one scene of many good rape jokes throughout that movie...
//The best may be "people stampeded and cattle raped!"...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
[scrapetv.com image 384x494]
etc., etc...

Consult any random Fark thread for several hundred more good examples...

There are also tasteless jokes here about every damn thing under the sun, some of which are even worse.



Just go to any Kobe Bryant thread and you will find 50 different "you gonna get raped" pics.
 
2012-12-04 10:46:14 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Xenomech: This is why you should always film yourself having sex.

I know you're joking but that is no protection against retraction of consent due to diminished capacity. I've even seen the argument put forward that women should be able to retract consent after the fact.


That's idiotic neofeminist tripe, and deserves to be laughed at.

However, at any point during the act, your partner says no/safeword and you keep going, yeah. That's pretty rapey.
 
2012-12-04 10:46:31 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: BronyMedic: There is nothing amusing about this, at all. Not only did she ruin the life of a man who is innocent, by her own admission, she has furthered the rape culture which makes women unlikely to come forward and admit they were actually raped.

Rape culture?

Show me anywhere in the US where rape is not a crime. The total number of rapes has been steadily declining and the rapes per 100K persons has been dropping even faster. Also, we have problems with other crimes in the US but nowhere do I hear people talking about "theft culture" or "assault culture".


Any time someone uses "[Bad stuff] culture" it is time to ignore them. They aren't interested in doing anything other than using language to try and dominate you. At best it is troll language. Don't feed the troll.
 
2012-12-04 10:47:25 AM
 
2012-12-04 10:48:16 AM

BronyMedic: I know the first thing I do when I want to seriously address someone is accuse them of being a fraud.

Classy.


You fail at cultural references. I was pointing out that there is no way to distinguish between the two without psychic powers.
 
2012-12-04 10:48:39 AM

BronyMedic: hasty ambush: Given the high rate of false rape reports by the biatches (about 25% according to The Innocense Project) about the only rape culture that really exists is women lying about it. Women have only themselves to blame if nobody believes them.

[i306.photobucket.com image 500x293]

Actually, the home office of the UK puts the number at about 3%. United States numbers vary from 2-8% of rape claims.


"Politically correct feminists claim false rape accusations are rare and account for only 2 percent of all reports. Men's rights sites point to research that places the rate as high as 41 percent. These are wildly disparate figures that cannot be reconciled."



"Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect, and about 6,000 have "matched" or included the primary suspect."

"these percentages have remained constant for 7 years, and the National Institute of Justice's informal survey of private laboratories reveals a strikingly similar 26 percent exclusion rate."


"If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources."

Link

Link
 
2012-12-04 10:48:43 AM

BronyMedic: I'm willing to bet that a look at the FARK politics tab, or any Zimmernman thread lately, would tell you more about the people who post there than you think.

More than a few of the people you think are trolling in reality believe the tripe they post.


Yes, but there's a different between (believable) trolling and (obvious) joking... Trolls only work because they seem believable and you know some people really think that way and believe that crap... Jokes, if they're any good, are obviously not meant seriously, and not meant to reflect any real opinions you have on the subject matter... So, the people saying stuff like "Women who dress like a slut are asking to be raped!" might seriously believe that, and could indeed said to be encouraging some kind of "rape culture"; but, the people posting the 40 pound box of rape or making "Blazing Saddles" quips obviously don't, and aren't promoting or encouraging anything of the sort...
 
2012-12-04 10:50:45 AM

Edymnion: We have people outright lying like this one did, man's life is still ruined.
We have people where both parties get drunk and she still cries rape (and yet somehow the guy never gets to charge rape for having sex while drunk).


Drunk women don't get to say no, right? Is that what you're inferring here?

Edymnion: Hell, as a guy these days you basically have to get a written statement of intent notarized by a public official just to protect yourself from this exact sort of thing happening, because the witch hunter that results from it is not going to give him a fair hearing. Since the actual sex rarely takes place in a public place with witnesses, its just her word vs. his on if it was consensual or not and no one ever gives the guy any weight in the matter. Burden of proof is *FAR* heavier for the man than the woman.


Uh, men are raped too, you know. They make up a large part of the "unreported" rapes, because the cutlure of the United States is such that men cannot be rape victims because they obviously want it all the time. Or, like so many FARK threads, they're met with calls of "Nice" and "Gee, wish I was that guy" when it DOES get reported. He should be glad he's getting some ass, really. That's the mentality.

It's just as shameful as telling a woman she was asking for it because she wore a skirt out.
 
2012-12-04 10:51:42 AM

Warlordtrooper: So this is the thread where people suggest that a man falsely accused of rape should shut up and deal with the consequences of being falsely accused of rape because men don't matter

People who think false rape accusations are not a big deal are almost as sick as people like Todd akin.

/I will be falsely accused of being a rape apologist when I said no such thing
//rape is bad


The most infuriating thing is that we have feminists who have decided to pretend it's still the 1950s.

Has anyone stopped to consider what "rape culture" means? It means you have a culture where rape and sexual abuse are normal, toerated, and even acceptable.

How sick do you have to be to feel that the United States is a rape culture? In 2012, being accused of rape might as well be a conviction. I truly believe that's a huge motivator when we hear about cases like the Duke incident, to demand to know exactly how it wasn't rape: there's such a rush to establish guilt in such a case that nobody stops to realize that maybe the Duke case was something that started totally consensually and turned into something else when the guys got too into it. They were totally in the wrong to be in the situation to begin with, of course, I don't disagree there.

Yes, there are still idiots who believe in the "if you didn't want to be raped you shouldn't have worn that dress". But...we have some of the strictest laws against sexual abuse in the Western world. We have teenage couples in Southern states where the boys end up on an "offender list" because the parents of the girl can't accept that their little princess likes to have sex, and instead choose to believe that the boy took advantage of her.

And of course, this could lead to a conversation about how such laws undermine efforts to get real rape victims--people who were attacked, and might feel like their community will treat them like dirt, or dealing with the shame of having their bodies go through orgasm during the attack, and idiot cops who still see orgasm as enjoyment--to speak up.

You know what, fark it, Dawkins is right about Western feminists. They're busy whining about how men are abusing privilege by, er, drunkenly asking 'em out on the elevator, when women in the Middle East are executed for speaking out of turn, rape is a common way AIDS is transmitted in Africa, and parents drown infant daughters in China. Or hell, women right here who really have been raped, sometimes in their own home, violently, by an intruder, and get treated like dirt by idiots because they were raped. Naw...it's easier to just assume men are rapists, because statistics. It's totally different than guarding your purse when you see a black person. You totally don't enjoy any privilege whatsoever, because you have a vagina.

Yes, there's still work to be done, but I refuse to wallow in guilt because our culture at large refuses to be enlightened enough to see that I'm no better than the woman next to me or the black man down the street from me, and I see feminism as a force of negative change more than anything. I was raised to see people as people, not underprivileged, and to me "privilege" reeks of envy, which more easily leads to resentment than anything.

And I don't get the people who say they like being raped, and like raping, then get together to consensually rape. That's not rape, that's rough sex, idiots.

/rambling rant over
 
2012-12-04 10:52:56 AM

gerbilpox: (Queue outcry: "There's nothing worse than rape!" If you had a choice between being raped vs., for example, being tortured for weeks or having your loved ones murdered, which would you choose? STFU.)


There are a hell of a lot of things worse than being raped. Like anything that results in death, being a vegetable, severe third degree burns over a significant part of the body, losing a limb, being blinded, torture...
 
2012-12-04 10:55:53 AM

BronyMedic: That's idiotic neofeminist tripe, and deserves to be laughed at.


Hey, look at that, we agree on something. Now you know how I feel about rape culture.

And yet I've seen it honestly promoted under the argument that if the woman felt pressured in any way and was uncomfortable with saying 'no' at the time that they should be able to retract their consent later. Because date rape or something. In reality it's called regret and it's something everyone experiences at some point in their life.

However, at any point during the act, your partner says no/safeword and you keep going, yeah. That's pretty rapey.

Never argued otherwise but to be honest, the following exchange doesn't strike me as particularly rapey:

OMG I'm gonna cum!
NO!
 
2012-12-04 10:56:15 AM

BronyMedic: Pick the rapist out:

[www.kentonline.co.uk image 220x275]

Or:

[www.timesnews.net image 315x238]

Or:

cache.gawker.com
 
2012-12-04 10:56:17 AM
www.dudelol.com
 
2012-12-04 10:59:49 AM

hasty ambush: BronyMedic: hasty ambush: Given the high rate of false rape reports by the biatches (about 25% according to The Innocense Project) about the only rape culture that really exists is women lying about it. Women have only themselves to blame if nobody believes them.

[i306.photobucket.com image 500x293]

Actually, the home office of the UK puts the number at about 3%. United States numbers vary from 2-8% of rape claims.

"Politically correct feminists claim false rape accusations are rare and account for only 2 percent of all reports. Men's rights sites point to research that places the rate as high as 41 percent. These are wildly disparate figures that cannot be reconciled."



"Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect, and about 6,000 have "matched" or included the primary suspect."

"these percentages have remained constant for 7 years, and the National Institute of Justice's informal survey of private laboratories reveals a strikingly similar 26 percent exclusion rate."


"If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources."

Link

Link


mychinaconnection.com

Two things:

1) Anything that claims they are opposed because of "politically correct feminism" is not a reliable source. It's politically biased bullshiat.
2) You're comparing two different things here. You're comparing people who have made malicious claims of rape against other men - like the woman in this article here - with people who were wrongly convicted due to poor corroboration of physical evidence or wrongful identification. In addition, you're quoting a study from 1996, when forensic science was first starting to widely test DNA in rape cases.
 
2012-12-04 11:01:28 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Xenomech: This is why you should always film yourself having sex.

I know you're joking but that is no protection against retraction of consent due to diminished capacity. I've even seen the argument put forward that women should be able to retract consent after the fact.


I've seen the argument put forward that lizard people and reverse vampires run the government. Let's talk about actual arguments with actual people endorsing them, rather than this passive voice "I"ve seen the argument put forward" bullshiat.
 
2012-12-04 11:07:32 AM

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Xenomech: This is why you should always film yourself having sex.

I know you're joking but that is no protection against retraction of consent due to diminished capacity. I've even seen the argument put forward that women should be able to retract consent after the fact.

I've seen the argument put forward that lizard people and reverse vampires run the government. Let's talk about actual arguments with actual people endorsing them, rather than this passive voice "I"ve seen the argument put forward" bullshiat.


Yeah, I have to argue against amorphous claims like rape culture but when I reference an argument that was put to me directly regarding consent and date rape, it's bullshiat. Got it. One set of rules for me. Another set of rules for you.
 
2012-12-04 11:08:06 AM
The Campus Rape Myth. The reality: bogus statistics, feminist victimology, and university-approved sex toys

"The scarcity of reported sexual assaults means that the women who do report them must be treated like rare treasures. New York University's Wellness Exchange counsels people to "believe unconditionally" in sexual-assault charges because "only 2 percent of reported rapes are false reports" (a ubiquitous claim that dates from radical feminist Susan Brownmiller's 1975 tract Against Our Will). As Stuart Taylor and K. C. Johnson point out in their book Until Proven Innocent, however, the rate of false reports is at least 9 percent and probably closer to 50 percent. Just how powerful is the "believe unconditionally" credo? David Lisak, a University of Massachusetts psychology professor who lectures constantly on the antirape college circuit, acknowledged to a hall of Rutgers students this November that the "Duke case," in which a black stripper falsely accused three white Duke lacrosse players of rape in 2006, "has raised the issue of false allegations." But Lisak didn't want to talk about the Duke case, he said. "I don't know what happened at Duke. No one knows." Actually, we do know what happened at Duke: the prosecutor ignored clearly exculpatory evidence and alibis that cleared the defendants, and was later disbarred for his misconduct. But to the campus rape industry, a lying plaintiff remains a victim of the patriarchy, and the accused remain forever under suspicion."
 
2012-12-04 11:08:17 AM

RobSeace: We humans joke about all manner of horrific tragedy... We make jokes about the Challenger explosion, about 9/11, about the farking Holocaust even!


i.imgur.com

But seriously, this is why I don't post on fark much anymore. Instead of snarky humor, it turns into an all out battle between idiots yelling "rape culture!" and "lying whores!"

Can't we all just get along and agree that having the community know that this man farked this beast of a woman is a much worse punishment than any the legal system might devise?
 
2012-12-04 11:08:45 AM
I'm having trouble understanding what you are actualy arging over.
 
2012-12-04 11:09:35 AM

theMightyRegeya: Has anyone stopped to consider what "rape culture" means? It means you have a culture where rape and sexual abuse are normal, toerated, and even acceptable.


Actually, it could also mean a culture where rape is divided into "forcible" or "violent" or "legitimate" or "rape-rape" rape that is condemned, and date/acquaintance rape, diminished capability rape, or other rape that is excused or minimized, with victims being blamed for the way they dress, where they were, whether they drank, etc. and a culture where it's considered not just acceptable, but encouraged, to talk about plying some honey with a few drinks to lower her inhibitions, or going around the bars looking for the drunkest girls to bang. A key is that those participating in rape culture don't actually view it as rape, which is the problem.
 
2012-12-04 11:10:49 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Xenomech: This is why you should always film yourself having sex.

I know you're joking but that is no protection against retraction of consent due to diminished capacity. I've even seen the argument put forward that women should be able to retract consent after the fact.

I've seen the argument put forward that lizard people and reverse vampires run the government. Let's talk about actual arguments with actual people endorsing them, rather than this passive voice "I"ve seen the argument put forward" bullshiat.

Yeah, I have to argue against amorphous claims like rape culture but when I reference an argument that was put to me directly regarding consent and date rape, it's bullshiat.


"It was told to me by this feminist, you don't know her, she's from Canada."

Got it. One set of rules for me. Another set of rules for you.

Not so. I'm not bringing up some strawman to fight.
 
2012-12-04 11:14:45 AM

Elegy: But seriously, this is why I don't post on fark much anymore. Instead of snarky humor, it turns into an all out battle between idiots yelling "rape culture!" and "lying whores!"


This is why we need to revive the "whore culture" on FARK.
 
2012-12-04 11:15:54 AM
This can't be right. When ladies say they've been raped, it's 100% true all the time, every time. No way would they lie!
 
2012-12-04 11:16:35 AM

Theaetetus: "It was told to me by this feminist, you don't know her, she's from Canada."


Whatever. I apologize for not recording and publishing all my personal interactions over the past twenty years so you can determine the veracity of my claims.

Don't be coy, call me a liar and have done with it.
 
2012-12-04 11:18:31 AM
If two people get drunk and have sex, is that rape?

And if so, who is the perpetrator and who is the victim?

By the logic of "diminished capacity," neither participant is competent to give consent, and sex without consent would seem to imply rape. Are they both victims and both rapists at the same time? Or is only the man guilty because he's a man? But then what if it's two men?

/questions
 
2012-12-04 11:19:03 AM
Feel like I need to do a TL;DR on my last rambling comment, and an anecdote: For the people who say "rape culture" about the United States, I don't think it's rape culture, but rather ignorance. To me, rape culture would be like war-torn African nations, or the fictional land of Westeros, where women know that if their side loses the battle raging on their home territory, they're gonna get raped and everybody just sees it as part of the spoils of war. We have pretty strict laws against rape and other sexual assault. We don't tolerate rape and other sexual assault.

What we have here in the U.S. is ignorance, pure and simple. There's no need for a fancier, yet inaccurate, term. The policeman treats it as less serious because the woman had an orgasm? That's ignorance. Someone can't conceive of how consensual intercourse can turn into rape halfway through? Stupid. Ignorant.

As an anecdote, my mom used to be a secretary in a not-for-profit-run law office that specialized in representing low-income people. One of the lawyers took on a case representing a man with Downs who was sexually assaulted by a female caregiver. The lawyer came back laughing herself silly after the case was thrown out. All it took was presenting the evidence that the man had ejaculated in the woman's vagina. He wanted it, case closed, no thought given to whether the erection was involuntary, no thought put toward whether or not ejaculation would also be involuntary. I don't think it's ignorant of me to point out that her (lack of) defense might have been colored by her dislike of men, though her husband wasn't hit with the shock of that for a couple of years after that. Probably one of those women who thinks a man orgasms every single time he has sex, come to that; she wasn't terribly bright.
 
2012-12-04 11:20:19 AM
Fark is being ruined by shrill, self-enlightened posers again. Better argue more on the internet guys, in case someone doesn't think you're really smart.
 
2012-12-04 11:22:10 AM

Doc Daneeka: By the logic of "diminished capacity," neither participant is competent to give consent, and sex without consent would seem to imply rape. Are they both victims and both rapists at the same time? Or is only the man guilty because he's a man? But then what if it's two men?


I guess it depends on who you consider to have agency. Generally, the male is assumed to have agency and so responsibility falls on the man. For the man to claim rape in that case, he has to claim that woman has agency and he has none which runs counter to our cultural narrative.
 
2012-12-04 11:28:47 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: "It was told to me by this feminist, you don't know her, she's from Canada."

Whatever. I apologize for not recording and publishing all my personal interactions over the past twenty years so you can determine the veracity of my claims.

Don't be coy, call me a liar and have done with it.


Whether you're a liar or not is irrelevant, actually* - the point is that you're building a strawman argument that no one here agrees with or would defend. That's a fallacy that doesn't prove the truth of your argument, or support your position in the greater discussion that we're having about rape culture.

In short, if you want to stop derailing the conversation and debate things with people who are actually in this thread and really exist, then feel free. We can have a reasonable discussion like adults.
If all you want to do is to tell us about what some person who's not here allegedly said and that no one who is here would agree with, then I'm going to make fun of you for trolling.

*as well as unprovable. I bet I could find someone who believes lizard people and reverse vampires run the government, or that the 7 secret spices in KFC chicken include bone meal. Does that mean it's true? Does that mean it's relevant to our discussion? No.
 
2012-12-04 11:28:58 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I guess it depends on who you consider to have agency. Generally, the male is assumed to have agency and so responsibility falls on the man.


What the hell does this mean?

Seems sexist to assume that a man is responsible for his actions while drunk but a woman is not.

Seems like unequal protection under the law.

And if what you say is true, what about cases in which two men get drunk and have sex? Or two women?
 
2012-12-04 11:30:15 AM

BronyMedic: 1) Anything that claims they are opposed because of "politically correct feminism" is not a reliable source. It's politically biased bullshiat.


As oppose to the biases sources that claim a lower false accusation rate? The article also attributed a higher rate to "men's rights " groups and went onto say that the truth is between the two extremes. I will take the word of the Innocense project over feminists any day of the week.

It is obvious that the feminists are happy that any man be punished not neccesarily the guilty one.

2) You're comparing two different things here. You're comparing people who have made malicious claims of rape against other men - like the woman in this article here - with people who were wrongly convicted due to poor corroboration of physical evidence or wrongful identification. In addition, you're quoting a study from 1996, when forensic science was first starting to widely test DNA in rape cases.And you claim of a lower false claim rate comes forom similarly biased sources.

Wrongful ID or malicious ID still amounts to a false accusation against individual Imagine with advances in DNA identification since 96 how man of the inconclusive tests would change to exclude the accused.
We still have cases of men's conviction beign overturned with new DNA evidence even after beign positiviely ID'd by the victim.

Another Connecticut prison inmate who may have been wrongly convicted is enjoying a taste of freedom again. A judge ordered Hubert Thompson released early this week pending a decision on Thompson's petition for a new trial. His request stems from the discovery of DNA evidence that points a finger at another person in connection with the rape he was convicted of.

Thompson's case reflects the human element of the legal processes. He was first arrested in connection with an alleged 1994 sex crime and kidnapping. The victim reportedly picked his image out of a photo array. Despite lacking any usable DNA evidence at the time, Thompson was convicted in 1998 and sentenced to 12 years in prison
 
2012-12-04 11:33:41 AM

Artisan Sandwich: Fark is being ruined by shrill, self-enlightened posers again. Better argue more on the internet guys, in case someone doesn't think you're really smart.


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No deep conversation on the internet, people!

Theaetetus: I bet I could find someone who believes lizard people and reverse vampires run the government


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So, finally, we're in agreement then. The Rand Corporation, in a nefarious scheme with the saucer people, and backed up by the coveneant of the Reverse Vampires, are in a sinister plot to eliminate desert before bedtime.

We're through the looking glass, people.
 
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