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2012-12-04 09:12:22 AM

Dokushin: Do you understand what you're saying? This very article we are discussing would not be a "false report" without her confession, even though it was false.

The 2-8 percent so oft cited is of cases in which they could prove, through confession or evidence, that the woman was lying. Citing that number as the only reports in which the man was innocent is literally saying that if the woman says rape, and there is zero evidence, that the man is still guilty.

More fearmongering, in other words.


You're right. False reports happen all the time. It's just the evil Femnazi Liberal agenda trying to keep that quiet to make men suffer. Damn you libtard media! Damn you to Christian Hell with the diapers of Baby Jesus!

images.sodahead.com

Your argument basically boils down to "if there's no evidence a rape actually occured, it's a false report". That's an insane strawman. It's also the reason why so many rapes are unreported.

people.virginia.edu
 
2012-12-04 09:14:08 AM
This is exactly why I video all of my 'encounters.'
 
2012-12-04 09:15:24 AM

RobSeace: /Just one scene of many good rape jokes throughout that movie...
//The best may be "people stampeded and cattle raped!"...


Yeah, even though I've spent the last twenty years on the internet I still don't consider it to be "real life". I did realize a little later on that "you said rape twice" counts as a rape joke even though it was from a movie released almost forty years ago (yeah let that sink in for a minute).

I guess fark counts as rape culture.
 
2012-12-04 09:15:38 AM
I like it when people post the logic fallacies they are trolling with.
 
2012-12-04 09:17:19 AM

ChuDogg:
Im on my phone so if you want to discuss stuff on the internet you'll just have to deal with people who dont post or click links.

So you're in agreement the FBI's rate was exactly what i said? I said abu


No, You said 8-20%, and chided me on using "intentionally deflated numbers".

Monkeyhouse Zendo: BronyMedic: It's not hard to post a link to your statistics. Even the Wikipedia Article in question states that the FBI's uniform crime statistics have consistantly put the average of false reports at 8%.

Is that all crimes or just rape? If it's just rape, how does it compare with the rate of false reporting for other crimes?


According to Wikipedia, the "unfounded" percentage of rape cases are 8%, while the general crime statistic is 2%. It also goes to point out that "unfounded" does not necessarily mean a false claim of rape, rather a case which cannot be persued due to a lack of evidence on the part of the victim, or a lack of an ability to corroborate a story other than he-said/she-said.
 
2012-12-04 09:17:39 AM

BronyMedic: Your argument basically boils down to "if there's no evidence a rape actually occured, it's a false report". That's an insane strawman. It's also the reason why so many rapes are unreported.


So it is your assertion that if a claim cannot be conclusively proven false through confession or evidence (as stated in the study you cited) then it is definitely true? Because otherwise, stating that "only 2-8% of men accused of rape are innocent" is a lie by your own data.

You provided the study. I'm just telling you what it says. I'm sorry if you don't like that.

What else you provided just now are insults, made up strawmen arguments, and those pithy debate school quotes that are so popular with the kids these days. Someone is arguing from emotion, and someone from fact. I'll let you sort that one out.
 
2012-12-04 09:17:53 AM

BronyMedic: Your argument basically boils down to "if there's no evidence a rape actually occured, it's a false report". That's an insane strawman.


Yes, yes it certainly WAS an insane straw man, mr Medic. I'm surprised you admitted to it, though.
 
2012-12-04 09:18:08 AM

aagrajag: When it's a weapon that can never be pointed at you, you may fail to realise how dangerous it is.


Even when you do, it tends to be abused.

Both the SS and the NKVD had problems in the 1930s with neighbors reporting each other for 'treasonous activity' over petty little neighborhood squabbles. It got the point that each agency had to start cracking down the abuse of the reporting system because they were getting swamped by false reports.

And that was a double-edged sword. Neither the NKVD or the SS were people with whom you'd want to fark, and an accusation could just as easily be made against you by one of your targets (it was truly a witch hunt) -- and people still did it! The blowback on a false rape accusation in the American legal system has little direct consequence for the false-reportee, and it can likely never be turned back on them.
 
2012-12-04 09:19:52 AM
All the dumb men here who think that "rape culture" means "women are telling me that I like rape and I don't like rape and that's not FAIR!" are dumb.
 
2012-12-04 09:19:57 AM

filter: This is exactly why I video all of my 'encounters.'


Doesn't actually matter. I've heard it honestly proposed that withdrawal of consent can occur after the fact.
 
2012-12-04 09:22:46 AM

Dokushin: So it is your assertion that if a claim cannot be conclusively proven false through confession or evidence (as stated in the study you cited) then it is definitely true?


Now you're putting words in my mouth. Amazing how people resort to that on FARK.

If you have a study or analysis which disproves those numbers, then post it. Otherwise, all you're doing is arguing from personal incredulity that "You don't believe that."

What I said was, the study that was cited even goes so far to say that the "unfounded" number of 8%, the one you claim is so "often cited", without giving any supporting evidence to disprove it, does not mean false claims. It means that these are the cases that are either admittedly false, or that have nowhere near enough evidence to pursue as a criminal case.

Dokushin: Because otherwise, stating that "only 2-8% of men accused of rape are innocent" is a lie by your own data.


Would you quote where I've said that "only 2-8% of men accused of rape are innocent"? Because I don't think I have. I said the false rape rate is around 2-8% depending on which statistical study you take it from.

Another strawman.

Dokushin:
What else you provided just now are insults, made up strawmen arguments, and those pithy debate school quotes that are so popular with the kids these days. Someone is arguing from emotion, and someone from fact. I'll let you sort that one out.


Tu Quo quo, eh?

If you have facts to disprove what I've stated, then please, post them. Otherwise, the cry of "fearmongering" is laughable.
 
2012-12-04 09:24:22 AM

Dafatone: All the dumb men here who think that "rape culture" means "women are telling me that I like rape and I don't like rape and that's not FAIR!" are dumb.


As are the women who refuse to even acknowledge the consequences of a false rape accusation even without a false. Conviction
 
2012-12-04 09:24:50 AM

Dokushin: So it is your assertion that if a claim cannot be conclusively proven false through confession or evidence (as stated in the study you cited) then it is definitely true? Because otherwise, stating that "only 2-8% of men accused of rape are innocent" is a lie by your own data.

You provided the study. I'm just telling you what it says. I'm sorry if you don't like that.


This also particularly irked me. I never claimed it made them innocent. You did. You then tried to argue the position as something I was arguing from.

Dokushin: The 2-8 percent so oft cited is of cases in which they could prove, through confession or evidence, that the woman was lying. Citing that number as the only reports in which the man was innocent is literally saying that if the woman says rape, and there is zero evidence, that the man is still guilty.


cdn.bernardgoldberg.com
 
2012-12-04 09:25:23 AM

BronyMedic: Now you're putting words in my mouth.


BronyMedic: I said the false rape rate is around 2-8% depending on which statistical study you take it from.


Everyone with a brain knows why I only quoted these two particular sentences. Obviously, you're clueless.
 
2012-12-04 09:26:40 AM

Warlordtrooper: Dafatone: All the dumb men here who think that "rape culture" means "women are telling me that I like rape and I don't like rape and that's not FAIR!" are dumb.

As are the women who refuse to even acknowledge the consequences of a false rape accusation even without a false. Conviction


Oh yeah, because that's TOTALLY a thing. People are TOTALLY sitting there going "that never happens!" rather than bickering over exact percentages.
 
2012-12-04 09:28:20 AM

untaken_name: BronyMedic: Now you're putting words in my mouth.

BronyMedic: I said the false rape rate is around 2-8% depending on which statistical study you take it from.

Everyone with a brain knows why I only quoted these two particular sentences. Obviously, you're clueless.


Which means I said that any unfounded allegation means that they're innocent, right?

people.virginia.edu
 
2012-12-04 09:29:54 AM

ph0rk: aagrajag: I disagree; I think that the vast majority women would not knowingly make a false accusation of rape, but truly cannot understanding that the accusation alone is so powerful that it really isn't something to joke about. I think most women would be surprised to discover so.

I refuse to believe that "most women" would be such blithering idiots.

Any adult in the US who has an IQ above 70 knows a rape accusation is a nuclear option, second only to child molestation.

/I'm sure people joke about making that accusation, too.


If rape is nuclear, theb kid rape is the Death Star primary weapon
 
2012-12-04 09:32:24 AM

I sound fat: signaljammer: Well, this man has been accused of things twice. Once was rape. The other was poor sexual performance. He should be able to put contrary testimony on the local news.

Well, really, she has no credibility. He is probably pretty good.


Rapists and murderers seem to be able to get dates but nobody wants a lousy lover.

Dafatone: All the dumb men here who think that "rape culture" means "women are telling me that I like rape and I don't like rape and that's not FAIR!" are dumb.


Oh for crissakes - why I read this sh*t with my coffee..
 
2012-12-04 09:34:07 AM

BronyMedic: If you have facts to disprove what I've stated, then please, post them. Otherwise, the cry of "fearmongering" is laughable.


I'm so glad you asked

Here's a 1996 study. DNA evidence exonerated 25 percent of those who had been convicted -- that number excludes false, unfounded, baseless, or overturned accusations, which logically would have a higher false positive rate.

A quote from that study:
Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect, and about 6,000 have "matched" or included the primary suspect.

Oh, and you complain of me putting words in your mouth? Seriously?
 
2012-12-04 09:34:24 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: ph0rk: aagrajag: I disagree; I think that the vast majority women would not knowingly make a false accusation of rape, but truly cannot understanding that the accusation alone is so powerful that it really isn't something to joke about. I think most women would be surprised to discover so.

I refuse to believe that "most women" would be such blithering idiots.

Any adult in the US who has an IQ above 70 knows a rape accusation is a nuclear option, second only to child molestation.

/I'm sure people joke about making that accusation, too.

If rape is nuclear, theb kid rape is the Death Star primary weapon


That's fairly accurate. If I recall, the Death Star needed time to get into position and warm up. Not just anyone would be in a position to deliberately destroy someone with this sort of accusation. Mostly ex-wives and unethical divorce lawyers.
 
2012-12-04 09:35:16 AM

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.


Agreed
 
2012-12-04 09:37:19 AM

AbbeySomeone: Dafatone: All the dumb men here who think that "rape culture" means "women are telling me that I like rape and I don't like rape and that's not FAIR!" are dumb.

Oh for crissakes - why I read this sh*t with my coffee..


What? Is that sentiment not being expressed, constantly, throughout this thread?

There's a ton of people saying, "'Rape Culture' doesn't exist. Using that term means you're accusing me, a man, of supporting rape. And I don't!"

That's all over this thread. And it's dumb. You can argue about the existence of rape culture if you want. But interpreting it as "everyone in this country thinks rape is good" is just incorrect.
 
2012-12-04 09:37:28 AM

gerbilpox: ingineervt: "A girl once told a bunch of people that I raped her because I turned her down for sex. She later admitted to lying, but it still followed me for years."

Is your name Joseph?

No, in his case she claimed God raped her.


He's talking about Old Testament Joseph, not New Testament Joseph.
 
2012-12-04 09:37:47 AM

Dokushin: Here's a 1996 study. DNA evidence exonerated 25 percent of those who had been convicted -- that number excludes false, unfounded, baseless, or overturned accusations, which logically would have a higher false positive rate.


That is a pretty chilling statistic when you think about it.
 
2012-12-04 09:39:27 AM

Dokushin: I'm so glad you asked

Here's a 1996 study. DNA evidence exonerated 25 percent of those who had been convicted -- that number excludes false, unfounded, baseless, or overturned accusations, which logically would have a higher false positive rate.


So you're telling me that those cases were all malicious false-rape accusations like the one in the article here? Not an example of shoddy police work and investigation, or cases where DNA testing became available when it wasn't at the time that they were tried and convicted?

There's a total and complete difference between a false allegation of rape, and putting the wrong person behind bars because of a lack of either proper testing, or the ability to test forensic evidence.

Dokushin: Oh, and you complain of me putting words in your mouth? Seriously?


Yes, yes I am. I quoted a statistic about unfounded and malicious rape accusations, and you ran with it by trying to claim I was saying those were the only cases where the accused was really innocent. That's American Thinker level derp right there.

Remember, you said this:

Dokushin: The 2-8 percent so oft cited is of cases in which they could prove, through confession or evidence, that the woman was lying. Citing that number as the only reports in which the man was innocent is literally saying that if the woman says rape, and there is zero evidence, that the man is still guilty.
 
2012-12-04 09:39:28 AM

Waldo Pepper: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Agreed


Cause that's how any other false accusation works?
 
2012-12-04 09:40:19 AM
Meetme.com's stealth marketing is AMAZING.
 
2012-12-04 09:40:50 AM

Dafatone: That's all over this thread. And it's dumb. You can argue about the existence of rape culture if you want. But interpreting it as "everyone in this country thinks rape is good" is just incorrect.


I don't know what straw man you're constructing but I'm arguing against this:

Exception Collection: But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape

 
2012-12-04 09:42:09 AM

metaskie: randomjsa: Is it time yet to change the law to be fair?

I'm all for protecting the name of the accuser in the case of rape but if, and only if, we also protect the name of the accused until after the trial. If he's found guilty, then put his name in every paper, but until then he deserves just as much right not to have his name dragged through the mud as she does.

Holy farkshiat, I agree with something this troll said. Were the Mayans right? Is it ending soon?

Yes. Untill someone has been proven guilty in a court of law, the names of either party should never be public information. Once accused, even if proven innocent, it's too damn difficult to shake loose that reputation.

/Innocent until proven guilty?
//Not to society.
///Slashies?
////Of course!


This should be for any crime of a sexual or abusive nature. But this would only work if the person has been arrested, what about when the accused is on the lam.
 
2012-12-04 09:42:36 AM

Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception.


The problem, as I see it, is that the percentage of rape reports that are false are about the same percentage as who report an actual rape. We need a higher rape report rate, AND a lower false rape report rate. The first increasing would naturally tend to decrease the second.

This woman's ludicrous actions will end up harming many victims of domestic abuse.

Does this really meet the definition of 'domestic abuse'? While he wasn't a stranger anymore, I'm given the impression that they were still rather new to the relationship. It might affect the belief of the accuser for date rape, but DV is a different crime.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Here's the thing, not all men are rapists; in fact, very few of them are.


A while back I did some research on the statistics - most rapists don't stop until they're caught, and due to already lousy rape reporting statistics, 'most' rapists will be able to do it often enough to become experienced at it. Going by wiki statistics for report rates, solve rates, and such, it takes something like 14-30 rapes before the average rapist gets caught. I've seen news articles that mention a rapist doing it hundreds of times.

Anyways, from my inexpert figuring you get between .1% and 1% of men being rapists. It's just that the average rapists violates over a dozen women. Best way, going by my figuring, to decrease the number of completed rapes per rapist? IF YOU'RE RAPED, REPORT IT. Odds are you're not the first, and if you don't report it, you are almost guaranteed to not be the last.

I've never stuck my dick in anyone who didn't either verbally ask for it or pull it out and do it themselves but I've been repeatedly denigrated as a potential rapist since I have a dick or told that I'm a supporter of rape culture because I'm not the loudest in the two minutes hate. Honestly, I'm getting pretty farking sick of it.

Pretty much.
 
2012-12-04 09:46:03 AM

Dafatone: Waldo Pepper: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Agreed

Cause that's how any other false accusation works?


a different standard, a man accused of robbing a bank and later found that the teller lied about him committing the robbery faces little backlash from the false accusation. Not the same with a false rape accusation, for a lot of folks he meets, especially women there will always be a lingering doubt.
 
2012-12-04 09:46:40 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Dafatone: That's all over this thread. And it's dumb. You can argue about the existence of rape culture if you want. But interpreting it as "everyone in this country thinks rape is good" is just incorrect.

I don't know what straw man you're constructing but I'm arguing against this:

Exception Collection: But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape


Strawman? Someone in this thread said "Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them." Which is exactly that.

Personally, I'll disagree with you on the rape culture part too. Name another crime that has people clamoring for false accusations to carry the same prison sentence as committing the crime. Look at all the instances of women being badgered when they try to file police reports. Look at how our culture differentiates between promiscuity in men and women. Look at how often women are blamed for having a lot of sex. Look at how many politicians try to redefine rape.

/False rape accusations are awful, and the people who make them intentionally are awful.
 
2012-12-04 09:47:35 AM

BronyMedic: So you're telling me that those cases were all malicious false-rape accusations like the one in the article here? Not an example of shoddy police work and investigation, or cases where DNA testing became available when it wasn't at the time that they were tried and convicted?


You're moving the goal posts. They may not all have been malicious but they were clearly false accusations. At some point the accuser identified the accused meaning that in 25% of the cases where DNA evidence was reviewed, some guy had been pulled in off the street, put in a line up, a woman said "that is the man who raped me". Those men's lives were destroyed by the false assertion that they were rapists.
 
2012-12-04 09:48:29 AM

BronyMedic: You're right. False reports happen all the time. It's just the evil Femnazi Liberal agenda trying to keep that quiet to make men suffer. Damn you libtard media! Damn you to Christian Hell with the diapers of Baby Jesus!


This wasn't putting words in someone's mouth?

BronyMedic: So you're telling me that those cases were all malicious false-rape accusations like the one in the article here? Not an example of shoddy police work and investigation, or cases where DNA testing became available when it wasn't at the time that they were tried and convicted?

There's a total and complete difference between a false allegation of rape, and putting the wrong person behind bars because of a lack of either proper testing, or the ability to test forensic evidence.


Why don't you describe to me the cases in the study you cited? In the article you provided (which was an adapted excerpt from a training module for "End Violence Against Women") the cases are not characterized. To claim that false convictions exceed false accusations is interesting, and I would like to hear more about it. You can keep the newsletter, though.

You're making a very childish argument about technicalities. The issue at hand is when wrongful rape accusations both take attention away from rightful accusations and completely destroy the lives of the people so wrongly accused. Your study spends most of its length discussing what a "false" report is and why they were the only ones considered (excluding baseless or inconclusive claims). Therefore, stating that their final range -- 2-8 percent -- is the only prevalence of wrongful accusation is almost aggressively missing the point.
 
2012-12-04 09:53:18 AM

RobSeace: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Exception Collection: We have a culture that supports rape jokes

Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
/Just one scene of many good rape jokes throughout that movie...
//The best may be "people stampeded and cattle raped!"...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
[scrapetv.com image 384x494]
etc., etc...

Consult any random Fark thread for several hundred more good examples...


There are also tasteless jokes here about every damn thing under the sun, some of which are even worse.

(Queue outcry: "There's nothing worse than rape!" If you had a choice between being raped vs., for example, being tortured for weeks or having your loved ones murdered, which would you choose? STFU.)

Anyway, back to my point: jokes on Fark are no measure of what real-world actions are considered acceptable by our "culture" -- or even by Farkers themselves.

cdn.inquisitr.com
 
2012-12-04 09:53:47 AM

Bathia_Mapes: The tag was originally "amusing", but that was changed. "Hero" tag might work if there was a notation at the end of the headline as to whom the tag was for.


Ask not for whom the tag tolls, it tolls for thee!
 
2012-12-04 09:54:06 AM

Dafatone: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Dafatone: That's all over this thread. And it's dumb. You can argue about the existence of rape culture if you want. But interpreting it as "everyone in this country thinks rape is good" is just incorrect.

I don't know what straw man you're constructing but I'm arguing against this:

Exception Collection: But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape

Strawman? Someone in this thread said "Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them." Which is exactly that.

Personally, I'll disagree with you on the rape culture part too. Name another crime that has people clamoring for false accusations to carry the same prison sentence as committing the crime. Look at all the instances of women being badgered when they try to file police reports. Look at how our culture differentiates between promiscuity in men and women. Look at how often women are blamed for having a lot of sex. Look at how many politicians try to redefine rape.

/False rape accusations are awful, and the people who make them intentionally are awful.


Name another in which consent is the sole difference between a pleasant night for two people, and a violent assault. There is no other crime of which one can so simply and easily be accused, and so harshly punished, with no evidence but the word of the accuser. Even absent a trial, or conviction, the damage is massive to the accused's life. And, of course, the likelihood of negative consequences to an accuser found to be lying are all but non-existent. In many places, an accused's name can be immediately published, but not that of the accuser after things start to look dodgy.

Rape is a unique crime, but for more reasons than you think.
 
2012-12-04 09:57:24 AM

gerbilpox: Anyway, back to my point: jokes on Fark are no measure of what real-world actions are considered acceptable by our "culture" -- or even by Farkers themselves.


Note: "Rape Culture" isn't necessarily "jokes and things said nationally that everyone is nodding their heads in agreement to." It's often more along the lines of "jokes and things said privately that people will often nod their heads in agreement to."

Fark, with its degree of anonymity, is actually in many ways a better place to see the real world.

Also, most importantly, "Rape Culture" does not mean people thinking rape is acceptable.
 
2012-12-04 10:00:57 AM

Dafatone: Personally, I'll disagree with you on the rape culture part too. Name another crime that has people clamoring for false accusations to carry the same prison sentence as committing the crime. Look at all the instances of women being badgered when they try to file police reports. Look at how our culture differentiates between promiscuity in men and women. Look at how often women are blamed for having a lot of sex. Look at how many politicians try to redefine rape.


well, I would rather be wrongly accused of murder than rape. And rather of rape than child-rape.
And you're gonna be badgered by the police if you want to report a stolen bicycle too.
Exept for the GOP, that'not realy an argument
 
2012-12-04 10:01:07 AM
BronyMedic


Dude, you are boring and annoying. Please stop.
 
2012-12-04 10:01:31 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: a movie released almost forty years ago (yeah let that sink in for a minute).


Yeah, but its humor is timeless! (You'd never get it made in today's environment, though...)

I guess fark counts as rape culture.

And, for the record, I don't think there's anything at all wrong with rape jokes... Or jokes about anything else for that matter... We humans joke about all manner of horrific tragedy... We make jokes about the Challenger explosion, about 9/11, about the farking Holocaust even! Jokes are a coping mechanism... We laugh about tragedy because the alternative is to cry... If you seriously contemplated all of the horrors of life, you'd either blow your farking brains out immediately or would go completely insane... Laughing at the horror is the only way to stay sane... And, no, jokes don't encourage or support the subjects they're joking about... "Blazing Saddles" isn't encouraging rape or supporing some kind of "rape culture" anymore than this:

3.bp.blogspot.com

is encouraging terrorism... It's just a farking joke... Laugh or you'll go mad...
 
2012-12-04 10:02:31 AM

Dafatone: Personally, I'll disagree with you on the rape culture part too. Name another crime that has people clamoring for false accusations to carry the same prison sentence as committing the crime.


They're clamoring for it not because they don't care about rape but because the consequences of even being accused of rape is so damning and that women do falsely accuse men of rape.
 
2012-12-04 10:04:36 AM

RobSeace: Monkeyhouse Zendo: a movie released almost forty years ago (yeah let that sink in for a minute).

Yeah, but its humor is timeless! (You'd never get it made in today's environment, though...)


I know. I was surprised at how long it had been when I looked up the release date and I remember thinking exactly the same thing the last time I watched it. There is no way that movie could ever be made again and we're poorer for it.
 
2012-12-04 10:07:11 AM

gerbilpox: Anyway, back to my point: jokes on Fark are no measure of what real-world actions are considered acceptable by our "culture" -- or even by Farkers themselves.


Exactly... In fact, they're quite often measures of what we consider horrible and totally unacceptable... It's hard to make good jokes about pleasant stuff we all love... It's much easier to make jokes about horrible stuff we all hate...
 
2012-12-04 10:07:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: A key that opens every lock is a master key.

A lock that opens to every key is a shiatty lock.

That's not rape-culture. That's science.

And your joke, right there, *is* rape culture.

I've seen the light. I'll never use a key again.


Shut up, dumbass
 
2012-12-04 10:09:54 AM

Dafatone: Also, most importantly, "Rape Culture" does not mean people thinking rape is acceptable.


Okay, define "rape culture". I checked wikipedia and their definition includes people thinking rape is acceptable.
 
2012-12-04 10:14:28 AM
Man, if I had a nickel ...
 
2012-12-04 10:18:57 AM
i.imgur.com
I'm thinking it was the Rusty Trombone turned Cleveland Steamer that pushed her over the edge, so have some sympathy for her.

/that's what her expression tells me, anyway
 
2012-12-04 10:20:37 AM

gerbilpox: RobSeace: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Exception Collection: We have a culture that supports rape jokes

Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]
/Just one scene of many good rape jokes throughout that movie...
//The best may be "people stampeded and cattle raped!"...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
[scrapetv.com image 384x494]
etc., etc...

Consult any random Fark thread for several hundred more good examples...

There are also tasteless jokes here about every damn thing under the sun, some of which are even worse.

(Queue outcry: "There's nothing worse than rape!" If you had a choice between being raped vs., for example, being tortured for weeks or having your loved ones murdered, which would you choose? STFU.)

Anyway, back to my point: jokes on Fark are no measure of what real-world actions are considered acceptable by our "culture" -- or even by Farkers themselves.

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This. Finally.
 
2012-12-04 10:22:29 AM

Dokushin: BronyMedic: You're right. False reports happen all the time. It's just the evil Femnazi Liberal agenda trying to keep that quiet to make men suffer. Damn you libtard media! Damn you to Christian Hell with the diapers of Baby Jesus!

This wasn't putting words in someone's mouth?

BronyMedic: So you're telling me that those cases were all malicious false-rape accusations like the one in the article here? Not an example of shoddy police work and investigation, or cases where DNA testing became available when it wasn't at the time that they were tried and convicted?

There's a total and complete difference between a false allegation of rape, and putting the wrong person behind bars because of a lack of either proper testing, or the ability to test forensic evidence.

Why don't you describe to me the cases in the study you cited? In the article you provided (which was an adapted excerpt from a training module for "End Violence Against Women") the cases are not characterized. To claim that false convictions exceed false accusations is interesting, and I would like to hear more about it. You can keep the newsletter, though.

You're making a very childish argument about technicalities. The issue at hand is when wrongful rape accusations both take attention away from rightful accusations and completely destroy the lives of the people so wrongly accused. Your study spends most of its length discussing what a "false" report is and why they were the only ones considered (excluding baseless or inconclusive claims). Therefore, stating that their final range -- 2-8 percent -- is the only prevalence of wrongful accusation is almost aggressively missing the point.


Actually, the issue at hand is that I was talking about malicious false reports. That was what I addressed with the statistic, not "false convictions", which is what you're trying to lump this in with - which is quite ingenious as a tactic, by the way. Slimy, but ingenious. I do have to give you credit about that I was never talking about mistaken identification by witnesses or victims in lineups. Nor people who pled guilty when they were not. Nor people who because of prosecutorial incompetence/zealousy,

The studies I linked even addressed your question: They lump all unsubstantiated rape claims together. Unsubstantiated means either there was a lack of evidence to persue the charge, OR it was an admittedly false claim.

You're deliberately lumping in false accusation of rape done maliciously, with people who were wrongly convicted because of shoddy polcie work or evidence handling. Which is completely two different subjects.

The funny thing is, I agree with the second sentiment you have put forth: If there is ample forensic evidence that someone is innocent, they should go free. Or if there is forensic evidence that the accused suspect is NOT the rapist, then further scrutany should go towards the "victim" of the crime. But that's assuming that many rape cases have clear-cut forensic evidence to go on. Many don't. Rapists aren't stupid, despite being predators. They know how to avoid leaving evidence - especially the serials that don't get caught until they've had 20-30 victims.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You're moving the goal posts.


Actually, no I'm not. You're talking about two different things, namely people who were maliciously falsely accused of rape, and people in 1996, when Forensic Science was JUST starting to use DNA evidence as a regular basis for rape conviction on a large scale basis - who were wrongfully convicted of rape due to misidentification, or due to other factors.
 
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