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2012-12-04 07:52:22 AM  

Serious Black: Doc Daneeka: Nogale: I want to strangle women who do this. Rape is a real problem; making false accusations trivializes the issue and makes it harder for women who have been raped.

So many responses like this in this thread. "False accusations of rape are bad because they make it harder for legitimate victims of rape."

Well yeah, but what about the innocent men who are falsely accused? Pretty sure it makes it pretty hard for them as well. Especially when they are fired from their jobs, prosecuted, thrown in prison, and placed on a sex offenders registry and ostracized from society. Their lives are ruined as completely as any rape victim. But I guess the victims of these cases don't matter nearly as much as victims in unrelated cases.

Unless my knowledge of Fark's demographics is wildly incorrect, most of the people making the above comment in this thread are male. I can confirm with 100% certainty that at least one of them is.


I'm not saying that point is wrong, just that focusing on it demonstrates an unconcern with the larger and more immediate point.

It's like saying that drunk drivers are bad because they inconvenience all the sober drivers who have to go through police sobriety checkpoints. That may be true, but the more important point is that drunk drivers are bad because they kill people.

Likewise, false accusations of rape may make things a little harder for people in unrelated cases, but the much more important point is that false accusations of rape are bad because they ruin people's lives. I think some people tend to miss the forest for the trees.
 
2012-12-04 07:52:42 AM  
There is still a decent chance she was raped but as time passed more and more denial set in. I've seen it happen before my eyes.
 
2012-12-04 07:53:11 AM  

Millennium: Warlordtrooper: Millennium: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.

You don't have to always prove malice or intent. It's up to the legislature to specify that when it makes the law

Statutory rape is an example of a crime you don't need to prove malice or intent for a conviction

But in this particular case, malice is what would make the crime. Cases of simple mistaken identity should obviously not be punished, for example. Much like rape itself, states of mind are more important to the definition than the crime itself: the same acts can be rape or not rape, depending solely on whether or not all parties to those acts are willing. In the same way, false accusation could be criminal or not criminal, depending solely on whether or not the accuser is acting maliciously.

Or, to put it another way, failure to convict for rape should not be prima facie evidence of malicious accusation.


Of course, as always, no one is suggesting that we move to an hideous Saudi-style system, but certain people love to imply it.

Proving an accusation of rape is difficult; proving that someone has knowingly filed a false rape complaint is nearly impossible. Absent an admission, like a recording or email to the effect of "Yeah, I lied. Got that bastard good, didn't I?", forget it.

So, if you're worried about innocent women getting falsely convicted of knowingly filing false complaints, you must be even more worried about men being falsely convicted of rape.

Rape is a horrible crime. Grasping the state's monopoly on violence and wielding it to falsely imprison a man for ~7 years, destroy his family, have his children taken away, take his job, make him a social pariah and utterly unemployable, and, as a bonus, include the possibility of multiple rapes in prison...

That might be a teensy bit worse.
 
2012-12-04 07:53:17 AM  

Exception Collection: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?

Too tired to remember one right now... just crossed the 24 hours awake mark. But I see them all the time in a few places.


So you're saying that they're so prevalent that you can't remember a single farking one even though you hear them all the time. Got it.

You know why I can't remember any? Because I never hear them, other than the Bubba the Jailhouse Rapist variety.
 
2012-12-04 07:53:23 AM  

Exception Collection: MrHappyRotter: Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,

It's not a fake rage. Lying about this is just plain unacceptable.


I know. It feels "real" to me too.
 
2012-12-04 07:53:32 AM  

liam76: Exception Collection: I don't think anyone in this thread said that. I damned well know I didn't. But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape. As referenced above, a girl that sleeps around is considered a slut; a slut can't be raped, right? Or what if they made certain decisions about the activities involved, and the guy decides "screw that, I want anal"?

?


"Some guy" != "All guys"
 
2012-12-04 07:53:48 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.

Yeah, it sucks that there are some men who minimize issues like rape in the US, just as it sucks that there are women who are all to willing to use accusations of rape or the threat of those accusations as a weapon.

Here's the thing, not all men are rapists; in fact, very few of them are. Similarly, not all women use the accusation of rape or its threat as a weapon; but some of them do and that number is probably higher than the opponents of "rape culture" would like to admit. In my own dating history it's running at about 10% who make joking comments about crying rape if they don't get what they want.

I've never stuck my dick in anyone who didn't either verbally ask for it or pull it out and do it themselves but I've been repeatedly denigrated as a potential rapist since I have a dick or told that I'm a supporter of rape culture because I'm not the loudest in the two minutes hate. Honestly, I'm getting pretty farking sick of it.


Yeah, I agree. Getting called a supporter of rape culture is at least as bad as getting raped.
 
2012-12-04 07:53:52 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,


Does this happen all the time where you come from or something? That woman's actions were ludicrous.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:28 AM  

Rambino: So... why are we believing the woman's second story instead of the first one? Isn't it quite possible that she in fact was raped, but recanted her (true) accusation? It is a fairly well-documented phenomenon that actual victims of legitimate rape sometimes do just that, for any number of reasons.


Because in the United States the defendant is presumed innocent until proven otherwise. Once the only witness to an alleged crime recants her story you get that thing called reasonable doubt which makes it hard to convict someone for committing a crime they likely didn't do. I'm sure your "well-documented" theories of legitimate rape victims recanting true accusations are just swell, but they don't justify locking someone in prison because some women are too bat shiaat crazy to tell the truth and stick by it.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:32 AM  

aagrajag: Millennium: Warlordtrooper: Millennium: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.

You don't have to always prove malice or intent. It's up to the legislature to specify that when it makes the law

Statutory rape is an example of a crime you don't need to prove malice or intent for a conviction

But in this particular case, malice is what would make the crime. Cases of simple mistaken identity should obviously not be punished, for example. Much like rape itself, states of mind are more important to the definition than the crime itself: the same acts can be rape or not rape, depending solely on whether or not all parties to those acts are willing. In the same way, false accusation could be criminal or not criminal, depending solely on whether or not the accuser is acting maliciously.

Or, to put it another way, failure to convict for rape should not be prima facie evidence of malicious accusation.

Of course, as always, no one is suggesting that we move to an hideous Saudi-style system, but certain people love to imply it.

Proving an accusation of rape is difficult; proving that someone has knowingly filed a false rape complaint is nearly impossible. Absent an admission, like a recording or email to the effect of "Yeah, I lied. Got that bastard good, didn't I?", forget it.

So, if you're worried about innocent women getting falsely convicted of knowingly filing false complaints, you must be even more worried about men being falsely convicted of rape.

Rape is a horrible crime. Grasping the state's monopoly on violence and wielding it to falsely imprison a man for ~7 years, destroy his family, have his children taken ...


It's not about the rape knock-knock jokes -- all those image macros, those are jokes too in the colloquial sense. And yes, rape related image macros, when used appropriately are funny. The whole, you said rape twice meme can be funny.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:44 AM  

LostGuy: There is still a decent chance she was raped but as time passed more and more denial set in. I've seen it happen before my eyes.


There is an even greater chance I just won the Powerball.

/I don't play
 
2012-12-04 07:56:32 AM  
The whole world now knows he had sex with her. Isn't that punishment enough?
 
2012-12-04 07:57:46 AM  

sexorcisst: MrHappyRotter: Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,

Does this happen all the time where you come from or something? That woman's actions were ludicrous.


Doing the right thing and recanting on her rape allegations? Yeah, stuff like that happens all the time around here. People are imperfect and occasionally do things they shouldn't or didn't think were a big deal, but upon retrospection make an attempt to rectify the situation.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:55 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: So you're saying that they're so prevalent that you can't remember a single farking one even though you hear them all the time. Got it.

You know why I can't remember any? Because I never hear them, other than the Bubba the Jailhouse Rapist variety.


... when I'm strung out on caffiene, haven't had any of my nightly medicines, and have been awake for 25 hours and at work for 21.5 hours? Nope, my memory's shot. What I can tell you is that the jokes are common on Fetlife (a social networking site for those of us that are kinky). They're common in locker rooms (Unless boys have changed in the last 15 years or so). They're common in comments about news regarding rape, like the "legitimate rape" threads.

/I should get back to work... deadline approaching in T minus 7 hours.
 
2012-12-04 07:58:46 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.


In fairness, if he was having consensual sex with that, prison might have been a step up for him.

Rambino: So... why are we believing the woman's second story instead of the first one? Isn't it quite possible that she in fact was raped, but recanted her (true) accusation? It is a fairly well-documented phenomenon that actual victims of legitimate rape sometimes do just that, for any number of reasons.


Complete lack of evidence?
 
2012-12-04 07:59:26 AM  
Now anyone can rape this chick because no one will believe her story. Uh oh.
 
2012-12-04 07:59:37 AM  

Serious Black: Yeah, I agree. Getting called a supporter of rape culture is at least as bad as getting raped.


You see, this is the bullshiat argumentation I'm talking about. I've done nothing in this thread but condemn the crime of rape and to question the assertion that we live in a culture that condones and promotes it. And here you are twisting my words to imply that I've said that my annoyance at being called a supporter of rape culture is as bad as being raped.

What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2012-12-04 07:59:49 AM  

MrHappyRotter: aagrajag: Millennium: Warlordtrooper: Millennium: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.

You don't have to always prove malice or intent. It's up to the legislature to specify that when it makes the law

Statutory rape is an example of a crime you don't need to prove malice or intent for a conviction

But in this particular case, malice is what would make the crime. Cases of simple mistaken identity should obviously not be punished, for example. Much like rape itself, states of mind are more important to the definition than the crime itself: the same acts can be rape or not rape, depending solely on whether or not all parties to those acts are willing. In the same way, false accusation could be criminal or not criminal, depending solely on whether or not the accuser is acting maliciously.

Or, to put it another way, failure to convict for rape should not be prima facie evidence of malicious accusation.

Of course, as always, no one is suggesting that we move to an hideous Saudi-style system, but certain people love to imply it.

Proving an accusation of rape is difficult; proving that someone has knowingly filed a false rape complaint is nearly impossible. Absent an admission, like a recording or email to the effect of "Yeah, I lied. Got that bastard good, didn't I?", forget it.

So, if you're worried about innocent women getting falsely convicted of knowingly filing false complaints, you must be even more worried about men being falsely convicted of rape.

Rape is a horrible crime. Grasping the state's monopoly on violence and wielding it to falsely imprison a man for ~7 years, destroy his family, have his child ...


Are you replying to the wrong person? Your post doesn't seem to have much to do with mine.
 
2012-12-04 08:00:07 AM  
Oh my god, how can I possibly be the only one sensitive and enlightened enough to feel uncomfortable talking about rape? Look at all of you talking about rape- they're right, it's a Rape Culture. Hey, ladies- for the record, I oppose rape. It's just too rapey for me. I only like consensual sex wherein I go down for 30 minutes so you can finish thinking about your bills, finally get aroused, and sort of enjoy it. And then I go into the restroom and ejaculate in the toilet as god intended. I enjoy long walks on the beach and white knighting in threads.

Look, rape culture is real but if anyone can't tell within 5 minutes which meat-headed idiots think of a woman as an object and which ones are intelligent and rational people, I don't know how to correct that. It's silly to call someone out for supporting rape culture simply because he pointed out that while not every man is of high character, not every woman is either. Some are opportunistic scumbags exactly like the rapists themselves. They have different motives, but the same complete lack of interest in the consequences of their actions exists. We can start solving social problems as soon as we stop deifying one gender and demonizing the other. We all pretty much suck a bit.
 
2012-12-04 08:00:33 AM  

Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists


No, it doesn't.

Guys don't stand around in groups talking about, making plans for, or wistfully remembering women they've raped. There is no "rape culture", unless you stretch the definition of "culture" beyond all reasonable bounds. There is also a problem with the definition of rape, too: As this case shows, at least some percentage of rape cases aren't really rape at all. We don't know how big that percentage is or how small because it's hard to measure: We know roughly how many cases end up like this, consensus seems to be somewhere between 2% and 8% of all rape allegations, but we don't know how many aren't caught by the police and the accused gets convicted based on false allegations: That number has to be non-zero.

Of course, there are also cases where actual rapes aren't reported when they should be, but that is a separate issue.

Anyway, as I said, there is no rape culture. And if you posit that there is one, then you must admit that there is then a false rape culture.

Rape is wrong, but so is lying about it.
 
2012-12-04 08:00:49 AM  

Exception Collection: liam76: Exception Collection: I don't think anyone in this thread said that. I damned well know I didn't. But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape. As referenced above, a girl that sleeps around is considered a slut; a slut can't be raped, right? Or what if they made certain decisions about the activities involved, and the guy decides "screw that, I want anal"?

?

"Some guy" != "All guys"


I get that, but you were blasting him for bringing up things nobody in this thread said, then you turn around and use "a slut can't be raped" and "screw that, I want anal" line, which nobody said.
 
2012-12-04 08:00:58 AM  

voodoolady: E5bie: Or that some not-agreed-to act occurred, and she didn't understand that going to a hotel room means you get the package deal, whatever he wants?

Um....what?


Right. That's when the nice police officer says, "No, sweetie, rape is when the man uses a gun or a knife and forces you under threat of immediate death to take your clothes off. If all you did was say, 'no, stop that' repeatedly, or 'no, not without a condom' and make feeble attempts to escape, and if he stopped after a while and if you trusted him enough to follow him into a bedroom in the first place, why, that's just morning-after regrets, bad sex. It's important that you understand the difference, because there are serious legal consequences. Okay?
 
2012-12-04 08:01:58 AM  

Exception Collection: ... when I'm strung out on caffiene, haven't had any of my nightly medicines, and have been awake for 25 hours and at work for 21.5 hours? Nope, my memory's shot. What I can tell you is that the jokes are common on Fetlife (a social networking site for those of us that are kinky). They're common in locker rooms (Unless boys have changed in the last 15 years or so). They're common in comments about news regarding rape, like the "legitimate rape" threads.


Today I learned that 4chan is the same as society as a whole.
 
2012-12-04 08:02:09 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: Yeah, I agree. Getting called a supporter of rape culture is at least as bad as getting raped.

You see, this is the bullshiat argumentation I'm talking about. I've done nothing in this thread but condemn the crime of rape and to question the assertion that we live in a culture that condones and promotes it. And here you are twisting my words to imply that I've said that my annoyance at being called a supporter of rape culture is as bad as being raped.

What the fark is wrong with you?


some people live with a Rorschach psyche
 
2012-12-04 08:02:21 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: Yeah, I agree. Getting called a supporter of rape culture is at least as bad as getting raped.

You see, this is the bullshiat argumentation I'm talking about. I've done nothing in this thread but condemn the crime of rape and to question the assertion that we live in a culture that condones and promotes it. And here you are twisting my words to imply that I've said that my annoyance at being called a supporter of rape culture is as bad as being raped.

What the fark is wrong with you?


When an accusation of rape is made, the only acceptable response to convene a lynch mob. Otherwise, you love rape.

//yeah, I said it twice
 
2012-12-04 08:03:10 AM  

aagrajag: MrHappyRotter: aagrajag: Millennium: Warlordtrooper: Millennium: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.

You don't have to always prove malice or intent. It's up to the legislature to specify that when it makes the law

Statutory rape is an example of a crime you don't need to prove malice or intent for a conviction

But in this particular case, malice is what would make the crime. Cases of simple mistaken identity should obviously not be punished, for example. Much like rape itself, states of mind are more important to the definition than the crime itself: the same acts can be rape or not rape, depending solely on whether or not all parties to those acts are willing. In the same way, false accusation could be criminal or not criminal, depending solely on whether or not the accuser is acting maliciously.

Or, to put it another way, failure to convict for rape should not be prima facie evidence of malicious accusation.

Of course, as always, no one is suggesting that we move to an hideous Saudi-style system, but certain people love to imply it.

Proving an accusation of rape is difficult; proving that someone has knowingly filed a false rape complaint is nearly impossible. Absent an admission, like a recording or email to the effect of "Yeah, I lied. Got that bastard good, didn't I?", forget it.

So, if you're worried about innocent women getting falsely convicted of knowingly filing false complaints, you must be even more worried about men being falsely convicted of rape.

Rape is a horrible crime. Grasping the state's monopoly on violence and wielding it to falsely imprison a man for ~7 years, destroy his family, ...


shiat, I was raped by the reply button. My bad.
 
2012-12-04 08:04:02 AM  

ChaoticLimbs: Oh my god, how can I possibly be the only one sensitive and enlightened enough to feel uncomfortable talking about rape? Look at all of you talking about rape- they're right, it's a Rape Culture. Hey, ladies- for the record, I oppose rape. It's just too rapey for me. I only like consensual sex wherein I go down for 30 minutes so you can finish thinking about your bills, finally get aroused, and sort of enjoy it. And then I go into the restroom and ejaculate in the toilet as god intended. I enjoy long walks on the beach and white knighting in threads.

Look, rape culture is real but if anyone can't tell within 5 minutes which meat-headed idiots think of a woman as an object and which ones are intelligent and rational people, I don't know how to correct that. It's silly to call someone out for supporting rape culture simply because he pointed out that while not every man is of high character, not every woman is either. Some are opportunistic scumbags exactly like the rapists themselves. They have different motives, but the same complete lack of interest in the consequences of their actions exists. We can start solving social problems as soon as we stop deifying one gender and demonizing the other. We all pretty much suck a bit.


you must have really been uncomfortable typing that...
 
2012-12-04 08:05:02 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,


The "right thing" would have been not making a false accusation in the frist place, involuntarily dragging an innocent man already unfortunate enough to have had sex with her into a police interrogation.

She merely confessed to doing the wrong thing.
 
2012-12-04 08:05:26 AM  

MrHappyRotter: aagrajag: MrHappyRotter: aagrajag: Millennium: Warlordtrooper: Millennium: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.

You don't have to always prove malice or intent. It's up to the legislature to specify that when it makes the law

Statutory rape is an example of a crime you don't need to prove malice or intent for a conviction

But in this particular case, malice is what would make the crime. Cases of simple mistaken identity should obviously not be punished, for example. Much like rape itself, states of mind are more important to the definition than the crime itself: the same acts can be rape or not rape, depending solely on whether or not all parties to those acts are willing. In the same way, false accusation could be criminal or not criminal, depending solely on whether or not the accuser is acting maliciously.

Or, to put it another way, failure to convict for rape should not be prima facie evidence of malicious accusation.

Of course, as always, no one is suggesting that we move to an hideous Saudi-style system, but certain people love to imply it.

Proving an accusation of rape is difficult; proving that someone has knowingly filed a false rape complaint is nearly impossible. Absent an admission, like a recording or email to the effect of "Yeah, I lied. Got that bastard good, didn't I?", forget it.

So, if you're worried about innocent women getting falsely convicted of knowingly filing false complaints, you must be even more worried about men being falsely convicted of rape.

Rape is a horrible crime. Grasping the state's monopoly on violence and wielding it to falsely imprison a man for ~7 years, destroy h ...


Well, dressed like that, what did you expect?

//thank you for lightening up the thread a bit
 
2012-12-04 08:05:58 AM  

freewill: MrHappyRotter: Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,

The "right thing" would have been not making a false accusation in the frist place, involuntarily dragging an innocent man already unfortunate enough to have had sex with her into a police interrogation.

She merely confessed to doing the wrong thing.


Not sure if trolling.......???
 
2012-12-04 08:06:04 AM  

sparrow794: untaken_name: Uh, how could anyone possibly know how many rapes are unreported? That doesn't make any logical sense at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Crime_Victimization_Survey


Uh, hello? If they report the rape, it's not unreported.
 
2012-12-04 08:06:32 AM  
There was a guy here locally that just got released and pardoned for a sexual assault that never happened. Convicted in 2008, for a 'crime' that happened some years earlier. She was 10 and he was 14 at the time of the supposed incident. Completely false accusation, and he was tried, convicted, and spent 4 years in prison.

Why did she accuse him? At age 17, her mother caught the teenager looking at porn, and the little idiot blamed it on a sexual assault. Why pick that particular guy? He was a neighbor who had recently moved away.

Can you imagine how pissed off you'd be? Sitting there in prison, knowing you did nothing wrong.
 
2012-12-04 08:06:43 AM  

Serious Black: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.

Yeah, it sucks that there are some men who minimize issues like rape in the US, just as it sucks that there are women who are all to willing to use accusations of rape or the threat of those accusations as a weapon.

Here's the thing, not all men are rapists; in fact, very few of them are. Similarly, not all women use the accusation of rape or its threat as a weapon; but some of them do and that number is probably higher than the opponents of "rape culture" would like to admit. In my own dating history it's running at about 10% who make joking comments about crying rape if they don't get what they want.

I've never stuck my dick in anyone who didn't either verbally ask for it or pull it out and do it themselves but I've been repeatedly denigrated as a potential rapist since I have a dick or told that I'm a supporter of rape culture because I'm not the loudest in the two minutes hate. Honestly, I'm getting pretty farking sick of it.

Yeah, I agree. Getting called a supporter of rape culture is at least as bad as getting raped.


Yeah, getting shot in the face is at least as bad as getting shot in the arm, since im being a facetious moron, it should be cool if we shoot random people in the arm. Because 2 wrongs somehow make an Internet point? I don't even know what stupid point you're trying to make.
 
2012-12-04 08:08:29 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I'm not saying that point is wrong, just that focusing on it demonstrates an unconcern with the larger and more immediate point.


Because fark men, that's why.
 
2012-12-04 08:10:53 AM  

Exception Collection: and that was my introduction to rape culture.


I'didn't write anything about "rape-culture". I was gona write that it is plain bullfark, but at this moment I read about all this GOP "legitimate rape"...
it depend a lot from where you live and what your entourage is. I live in Berlin, and in the bars I go, you would'nt be groped. But maybee I'm living on my small island where the world looks not that bad and I'm a bit delusional.
As a TS, maybee you should maybe look for such an Island.
 
2012-12-04 08:10:57 AM  

GAT_00: Police charged her with filing a false report. A bond was set at $2,000.

Of course, the man she accused was look at what, 10 years? This seems fair.


And, of course, for the rest of his life any time someone googles his name or does a criminal background (at least a good one) check it will show the arrest. And any job application he fills out will ask if he's ever been charged with any crime (not just convicted).

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Women threatening to accuse men of rape is not as rare as you might think. I've had two women in my life "jokingly" tell me that it was their trump card if they didn't get what they wanted.


You should have recorded their statements and then later on raped them. If they tried to press charges, BAM, you have them on tape saying they planned to file false charges. No lose situation!

:0
 
2012-12-04 08:12:01 AM  

ph0rk: Doc Daneeka: I'm not saying that point is wrong, just that focusing on it demonstrates an unconcern with the larger and more immediate point.

Because fark men, that's why.


isn't that what got the defendant into trouble in the first place?
 
2012-12-04 08:14:09 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: BronyMedic: You're actually going to set here, with a straight face, and tell me that rape culture doesn't exist in the United States?

Yes, I am.

Rape is an egregious crime and one that we are working, as a culture, to stamp out. And we're making progress. For you to come in and claim that despite a 15% reduction in rapes per 100K persons we still, as a culture, condone rape is laughable.

I'm not saying that rape isn't a crime or that it isn't a problem or that the frequency with which it occurs is acceptable. I'm saying that your assertion that there is this vast cultural conspiracy to turn a blind eye to the problem is ridiculous on its face.

BronyMedic: Women are encouraged not to report rape. They're the ones at fault, not the people who raped them. And then you have idiots like this, who use rape accusations to destroy the lives of men, and suffer relatively no consequences in return.

Women threatening to accuse men of rape is not as rare as you might think. I've had two women in my life "jokingly" tell me that it was their trump card if they didn't get what they wanted.


That's about as funny as joking about a bomb at an airport. But, it does clearly illustrate that many women have no idea just how much of a nuclear weapon that is.
 
2012-12-04 08:14:26 AM  

Exception Collection: Moonlightfox: "Anyone who doesn't think exactly like I tell them to is a pro-rape misogynist, also men are all inherently rapists"
I was raised to be sympathetic to women's rights, but the more feminists say things like this and cast insults at my entire gender the less I give a shiat what they have to say.

I don't think anyone in this thread said that. I damned well know I didn't. But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape. As referenced above, a girl that sleeps around is considered a slut; a slut can't be raped, right? Or what if they made certain decisions about the activities involved, and the guy decides "screw that, I want anal"?

We have a culture that supports rape jokes. We have a culture that treats victims like sluts. We have a culture that inhibits reporting. We have a culture in which the federal government exempting military contractors from civil suits regarding rapes they did nothing to prevent is considered acceptable. We have a culture that makes it the women's problem for wearing "slutty" clothing, not the man's.

We have a rape culture.

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As for the mention of assault, or of murder - No, I'd count those as "violent" culture. Rape is in a special little corner, though, because it's not just about injuring the victim - it's about destroying them.


Give it a rest.
 
2012-12-04 08:15:06 AM  
Doesn't the fact he won't be charged mean he WON'T sleep with all you white knights?
 
2012-12-04 08:15:36 AM  

aagrajag: That's about as funny as joking about a bomb at an airport. But, it does clearly illustrate that many women have no idea just how much of a nuclear weapon that is.


If you'd try to point it out to them, they'd say "so what?"

However one might define decent human being: "likely to falsely accuse a man of rape to get their way" probably isn't how one would act.
 
2012-12-04 08:15:55 AM  
Fasely accusing of rape should be a sex offense. People should be able to look offenders up by name or facial recognition and see if they have falsely accused someone before so they can know to avoid them and take precautionary measures when around them.
 
2012-12-04 08:16:59 AM  

Exception Collection: //Halloween before last, I was at a bar with friends. Several people groped me throughout the night. I'll admit that I was wearing clothing that was a little more risque than I usually do in public - I usually lean towards the "Wouldn't be out of place at a church" side of things - but the fact that I was wearing leggings and a skirt wasn't an invitation to pat my ass. When I complained about it to one of the people that patted me, he said "Well then why'd you wear that?" - as though it was MY fault... and that was my introduction to rape culture.


While I wasn't there and can't attest to the situation, there are a number of venues that are known to have "those types" of Halloween parties. They're wild and that kind of behavior is sort of expected by everybody going in, and if the bar policed it, the people who are there wouldn't want to be there anymore.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call that rape culture as much as as a promiscuity culture, although I don't mean to in any way downplay how offensive it may have been to you.
 
2012-12-04 08:17:16 AM  

ChuDogg: Fasely accusing of rape should be a sex offense. People should be able to look offenders up by name or facial recognition and see if they have falsely accused someone before so they can know to avoid them and take precautionary measures when around them.


Rape is a crime where the accused is guilty until proven slightly less guilty.
 
2012-12-04 08:18:10 AM  

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.


Since when are harsh sentences any form of deterrent? All your proposal would do is lessen the chance that a false accuser would recant her statement.
 
2012-12-04 08:19:13 AM  

Exception Collection: Ideal? 100% conviction of the guilty, 100% release of the innocent, 100% punishment of those that deliberately destroy the lives of others.


How do you know what percentage of defendants in the report were guilty?
 
2012-12-04 08:19:15 AM  

ph0rk: aagrajag: That's about as funny as joking about a bomb at an airport. But, it does clearly illustrate that many women have no idea just how much of a nuclear weapon that is.

If you'd try to point it out to them, they'd say "so what?"

However one might define decent human being: "likely to falsely accuse a man of rape to get their way" probably isn't how one would act.


I disagree; I think that the vast majority women would not knowingly make a false accusation of rape, but truly cannot understanding that the accusation alone is so powerful that it really isn't something to joke about. I think most women would be surprised to discover so.
 
2012-12-04 08:19:27 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,


You've obviously never been on the receiving end of a false accusation. Not only has the man been harmed psychologically and almost certainly financially (lawyers get very expensive very quickly) but other woman and men who actually /have/ been raped are now taken skeptically because of false reports like hers. No harm no foul is as false as her accusation.
 
2012-12-04 08:20:37 AM  

aagrajag: ph0rk: aagrajag: That's about as funny as joking about a bomb at an airport. But, it does clearly illustrate that many women have no idea just how much of a nuclear weapon that is.

If you'd try to point it out to them, they'd say "so what?"

However one might define decent human being: "likely to falsely accuse a man of rape to get their way" probably isn't how one would act.

I disagree; I think that the vast majority of women would not knowingly make a false accusation of rape, but truly cannot understanding that the accusation alone is so powerful that it really isn't something to joke about. I think most women would be surprised to discover so.


//drinking shochu
 
2012-12-04 08:20:52 AM  
If they weren't both horny sluts that use meetme.com for a cheap fark, this never would've happened.

/ I went there
// stirring the pot a bit
/// but it's not untrue!
 
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