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2012-12-04 07:12:09 AM  
My ex did a bunch of false accusations... none stuck, she admitted to lying in court.

Her consequences? pretty much nothing... the worse, judge assigned her to take therapy, which she stopped after a few sessions.

But eventually, after I left her, she was confirmed as paranoid schizophrenic, but that didn't stop her from attempting all the "bad" accusations to get back at me for leaving her.. again, the only consequence, she lost the kid's custody to me, and later on, lost all her visitation rights.

Karma... gotta respect it.
 
2012-12-04 07:13:32 AM  

fredbox: Dracolich: I'm visualizing you being essentially tossed onto a pile of men who are compelled by their penises to achive intercourse and promote rape.

Prison, you mean?

I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".


So, just out of curiousity, how many posts so far do you have in this one thread decrying how rough it is for guys and how heinous this biatch is, and how 'rape culture isn't a thing'? And if the news bothers to cover an actual rape case, exactly how many times do you bother commenting then? Once? At all?
 
2012-12-04 07:13:32 AM  

BronyMedic: You're actually going to set here, with a straight face, and tell me that rape culture doesn't exist in the United States?


Yes, I am.

Rape is an egregious crime and one that we are working, as a culture, to stamp out. And we're making progress. For you to come in and claim that despite a 15% reduction in rapes per 100K persons we still, as a culture, condone rape is laughable.

I'm not saying that rape isn't a crime or that it isn't a problem or that the frequency with which it occurs is acceptable. I'm saying that your assertion that there is this vast cultural conspiracy to turn a blind eye to the problem is ridiculous on its face.

BronyMedic: Women are encouraged not to report rape. They're the ones at fault, not the people who raped them. And then you have idiots like this, who use rape accusations to destroy the lives of men, and suffer relatively no consequences in return.


Women threatening to accuse men of rape is not as rare as you might think. I've had two women in my life "jokingly" tell me that it was their trump card if they didn't get what they wanted.
 
2012-12-04 07:14:32 AM  

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.


This. I know of a woman who did this, with the ultimate result of the man committing suicide when after admitting (to police) that she had been lying, she threatened to do it again. Had there been some sort of punishment or rehabilitation for her, she may not have had the opportunity to make that threat.
 
2012-12-04 07:14:45 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: fredbox: Dracolich: I'm visualizing you being essentially tossed onto a pile of men who are compelled by their penises to achive intercourse and promote rape.

Prison, you mean?

I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".

So, just out of curiousity, how many posts so far do you have in this one thread decrying how rough it is for guys and how heinous this biatch is, and how 'rape culture isn't a thing'? And if the news bothers to cover an actual rape case, exactly how many times do you bother commenting then? Once? At all?


You have my handle and Google. I expect a full report in the morning.
 
2012-12-04 07:14:57 AM  

ks1415: It's like shark attacks; it happens, and it's horrible when it does, but it's rare enough that protecting against it should really be done with a decent sense of perspective.


well, shark attacks are less likely to happen to you than dog attacks or cow attacks... IF you swim or dive in shark-teritory.
False rape accusations... I realy have no idea.
If you believe extremist feminist, it never happens.
If you bellieve extremist mens-right activist, it is realy common.

one thing is for sure: rapist don't wory about false acusation, they know they have to plan ahead.
 
2012-12-04 07:16:49 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: So, just out of curiousity, how many posts so far do you have in this one thread decrying how rough it is for guys and how heinous this biatch is, and how 'rape culture isn't a thing'? And if the news bothers to cover an actual rape case, exactly how many times do you bother commenting then? Once? At all?


Ah yes, I'm not sufficiently vocal in decrying rape so I must support it. Quick, everyone shout as loud as you can about how much you hate rape culture in the US because the person who shouts the least supports it.
 
2012-12-04 07:16:49 AM  

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.


stop making sense... this throws my whole universe upside down...
 
2012-12-04 07:18:20 AM  

Moonlightfox: "Anyone who doesn't think exactly like I tell them to is a pro-rape misogynist, also men are all inherently rapists"
I was raised to be sympathetic to women's rights, but the more feminists say things like this and cast insults at my entire gender the less I give a shiat what they have to say.


I don't think anyone in this thread said that. I damned well know I didn't. But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape. As referenced above, a girl that sleeps around is considered a slut; a slut can't be raped, right? Or what if they made certain decisions about the activities involved, and the guy decides "screw that, I want anal"?

We have a culture that supports rape jokes. We have a culture that treats victims like sluts. We have a culture that inhibits reporting. We have a culture in which the federal government exempting military contractors from civil suits regarding rapes they did nothing to prevent is considered acceptable. We have a culture that makes it the women's problem for wearing "slutty" clothing, not the man's.

We have a rape culture.

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As for the mention of assault, or of murder - No, I'd count those as "violent" culture. Rape is in a special little corner, though, because it's not just about injuring the victim - it's about destroying them.
 
2012-12-04 07:20:32 AM  

Exception Collection:

As for the mention of assault, or of murder - No, I'd count those as "violent" culture. Rape is in a special little corner, though, because it's not just about injuring the victim - it's about destroying them.


Well, let me take a poll of rape victims, and a poll of murder victims, and find out how destroyed they respectively feel.
 
2012-12-04 07:21:16 AM  
They could have at least done this poor man the courtesy of blurring her image on TV. Yeesh...
 
2012-12-04 07:23:12 AM  

fredbox: Well, let me take a poll of rape victims, and a poll of murder victims, and find out how destroyed they respectively feel.


The thing about this is, murder just destroys them once. Rape destroys them (for a while at least) every time a man touches them - every time they are alone - every time they remember what happened.
 
2012-12-04 07:23:43 AM  

ks1415: Exception Collection: And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue

Oh, I know. It's just occasionally made a priority in a way that potentially harms other causes. It's like shark attacks; it happens, and it's horrible when it does, but it's rare enough that protecting against it should really be done with a decent sense of perspective.


The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception. Personal stories inevitably stick in people's minds much more than numbers and statistics do. I guarantee that this case will come up in the minds of many women who are raped in the next few months, and they will decide not to report it because they don't want someone to accuse them of making it up. It will also be discussed in many police departments across the country over the next few months, and they will decide not to pursue investigations or charges in many cases because they think the women are making it up. This woman's ludicrous actions will end up harming many victims of domestic abuse.
 
2012-12-04 07:24:14 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Millennium: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.

You don't have to always prove malice or intent. It's up to the legislature to specify that when it makes the law

Statutory rape is an example of a crime you don't need to prove malice or intent for a conviction


But in this particular case, malice is what would make the crime. Cases of simple mistaken identity should obviously not be punished, for example. Much like rape itself, states of mind are more important to the definition than the crime itself: the same acts can be rape or not rape, depending solely on whether or not all parties to those acts are willing. In the same way, false accusation could be criminal or not criminal, depending solely on whether or not the accuser is acting maliciously.

Or, to put it another way, failure to convict for rape should not be prima facie evidence of malicious accusation.
 
2012-12-04 07:24:14 AM  

Exception Collection: But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape.


That's an iceberg sized assertion you have there. I'm certain you have some sort of documentation to back that up.

Exception Collection: We have a culture that supports rape jokes


Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?
 
2012-12-04 07:24:32 AM  

BronyMedic: Yeah. About that. 50-90% of Rapes in the United States go Unreported. RAINN reports that 54% of all rapes against women go unreported, and only 3 in 97 rapists will ever see a day in prison.


Yeah, about your link.

RAINN claims "5 in 100 rapists are convicted", and cite a study (warning, PDF) that states very clearly (p. 11) that 62% of rapists are convicted. (They claim an average from 2002-2006; 2002 is 67 percent, for instance.)

You may apologize for citing blatant fearmongering at any time -- I know you won't, though.
 
2012-12-04 07:25:54 AM  

Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception


I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.
 
2012-12-04 07:26:03 AM  

ks1415: Exception Collection: And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue

Oh, I know. It's just occasionally made a priority in a way that potentially harms other causes. It's like shark attacks; it happens, and it's horrible when it does, but it's rare enough that protecting against it should really be done with a decent sense of perspective.


According to the FBI, it happens about 8% of the time: not a majority, or even a large plurality, but not enough to be called "rare."
 
2012-12-04 07:27:39 AM  

Exception Collection: ks1415: Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.

Heh. Rape and consent issues are of huge importance to me - not because I've been raped (though with my luck I expect that to happen one day), but because others have. And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue; a friend of mine is writing back and forth to an old friend she wants to start dating - but can't, because he (supposedly, I don't know all the facts) was thrown in prison on nothing more than three "eyewitnesses" and a "bad" alibi. (The alibi was by the the current girlfriend, aka the victim's mother; supposedly her (adult) daughter had propositioned him and was turned down, so she and some friends that disliked him perjured themselves. That's what my friend says, at least. I'm not sure what to believe.)

Consent is critical to any relationship.


it's going to get to the point that men are going to have to require a legal document "Consent for Sexual Activity" signed in triplicate and notarized before they are going to take the risk just for CYA purposes.
 
2012-12-04 07:28:36 AM  

Nogale: I want to strangle women who do this. Rape is a real problem; making false accusations trivializes the issue and makes it harder for women who have been raped.


The thing that pisses me off is that if there ARE stiff penalties for women who file false reports, it might prevent women who are actually raped from coming forwards. This is about the no-winningest situation of all the no-win situations ever.
 
2012-12-04 07:29:00 AM  
Uh, how could anyone possibly know how many rapes are unreported? That doesn't make any logical sense at all.
 
2012-12-04 07:30:02 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Exception Collection: We have a culture that supports rape jokes

Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?


A black guy, a basketball player and a rapist walk into a bar. The bartender says "Hi, Kobe!" 

/thats all i got
 
2012-12-04 07:30:03 AM  

Exception Collection:
The thing about this is, murder just destroys them once.


If I close my eyes, the room will be empty.
 
2012-12-04 07:30:16 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Exception Collection: ks1415: Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.

Heh. Rape and consent issues are of huge importance to me - not because I've been raped (though with my luck I expect that to happen one day), but because others have. And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue; a friend of mine is writing back and forth to an old friend she wants to start dating - but can't, because he (supposedly, I don't know all the facts) was thrown in prison on nothing more than three "eyewitnesses" and a "bad" alibi. (The alibi was by the the current girlfriend, aka the victim's mother; supposedly her (adult) daughter had propositioned him and was turned down, so she and some friends that disliked him perjured themselves. That's what my friend says, at least. I'm not sure what to believe.)

Consent is critical to any relationship.

it's going to get to the point that men are going to have to require a legal document "Consent for Sexual Activity" signed in triplicate and notarized before they are going to take the risk just for CYA purposes.


Didn't "Amazon Women on the Moon" address this very point? Or was it "Kentucky Fried Movie"?
 
2012-12-04 07:31:51 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception

I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.


I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.
 
2012-12-04 07:32:05 AM  
Exception Collection:
I don't think anyone in this thread said that. I damned well know I didn't. But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape. As referenced above, a girl that sleeps around is considered a slut; a slut can't be raped, right? Or what if they made certain decisions about the activities involved, and the guy decides "screw that, I want anal"?

I've never followed the double standard you mention, I've never looked down on someone for their decisions about their sexuality. I have never done anything like that with a woman without discussing it and making sure it was okay. And I've taken no for an answer. But I guess that doesn't matter because "hurr rape culture." You are stereotyping me as a degenerate neanderthal rapist because I'm male. You're a cancer on society.
 
2012-12-04 07:32:10 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: it's going to get to the point that men are going to have to require a legal document "Consent for Sexual Activity" signed in triplicate and notarized before they are going to take the risk just for CYA purposes.


That wouldn't be enough anyway, because you have to preserve the right to change one's mind at literally any moment (other, of course, than retroactively).

This is what makes rape so hard to prosecute: you essentially have to prove all parties' state of mind at every relevant moment, because those mind-states are what make it rape or not. It's easy to establish reasonable doubt under circumstances like that, and no one has found a better solution. Sometimes I wonder if a better solution even exists.
 
2012-12-04 07:33:44 AM  

Dokushin: BronyMedic: Yeah. About that. 50-90% of Rapes in the United States go Unreported. RAINN reports that 54% of all rapes against women go unreported, and only 3 in 97 rapists will ever see a day in prison.

Yeah, about your link.

RAINN claims "5 in 100 rapists are convicted", and cite a study (warning, PDF) that states very clearly (p. 11) that 62% of rapists are convicted. (They claim an average from 2002-2006; 2002 is 67 percent, for instance.)

You may apologize for citing blatant fearmongering at any time -- I know you won't, though.


I suppose it depends on how you define "convicted". The report says 69 are prosecuted, but of those 65 plead guilty and the remaining 4 go to trial, with 3 convictions. Which I'll admit is better than I thought based on the RAINN information, but still rather less than ideal.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Really? I can't remember the last time I heard a good rape joke. Care to share one?


Too tired to remember one right now... just crossed the 24 hours awake mark. But I see them all the time in a few places.
 
2012-12-04 07:34:27 AM  

Serious Black: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Serious Black: The problem is that people who try to make it seem like rape is a made-up issue love grabbing onto anecdotes like these and holding them up as the norm rather than the exception

I don't see anyone claiming that rape is a made up issue. What I see is people taking issue with the vague and unsubstantiated claims that we live in a pro-rape culture despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.


If someone leaves their car keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked, are they at all culpable in the event their car is stolen? Certainly, the person who steals it is committing a crime either way. That's not in question. Just whether the responsibility is the thief's alone.
 
2012-12-04 07:35:35 AM  

Nogale: I want to strangle women who do this. Rape is a real problem; making false accusations trivializes the issue and makes it harder for women who have been raped.


So many responses like this in this thread. "False accusations of rape are bad because they make it harder for legitimate victims of rape."

Well yeah, but what about the innocent men who are falsely accused? Pretty sure it makes it pretty hard for them as well. Especially when they are fired from their jobs, prosecuted, thrown in prison, and placed on a sex offenders registry and ostracized from society. Their lives are ruined as completely as any rape victim. But I guess the victims of these cases don't matter nearly as much as victims in unrelated cases.
 
2012-12-04 07:36:03 AM  

Dracolich: fredbox: Dracolich: fredbox: Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them.

Interesting choice of words

How's that?

"Lumping something in" is based on a physical process. It's used as verbal imagery. So, in this case, I'm visualizing you being essentially tossed onto a pile of men who are compelled by their penises to achive intercourse and promote rape. Use your imagination at this point for all of the details. Then, over that image there's one of those old red circle with a line through it "no" signs.


That made me think of Caligula (the film).
 
2012-12-04 07:38:55 AM  

Doc Daneeka: [men falsely accused of rape] lives are ruined as completely as any rape victim. But I guess the victims of these cases don't matter nearly as much as victims in unrelated cases.


The difference is they're supposed to man up and get over it.
 
2012-12-04 07:40:02 AM  

Exception Collection: I suppose it depends on how you define "convicted". The report says 69 are prosecuted, but of those 65 plead guilty and the remaining 4 go to trial, with 3 convictions. Which I'll admit is better than I thought based on the RAINN information, but still rather less than ideal.


What would you consider to be ideal?
 
2012-12-04 07:40:06 AM  

BronyMedic: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Show me anywhere in the US where rape is not a crime. The total number of rapes has been steadily declining and the rapes per 100K persons has been dropping even faster.

Yeah. About that. 50-90% of Rapes in the United States go Unreported. RAINN reports that 54% of all rapes against women go unreported, and only 3 in 97 rapists will ever see a day in prison.

One in five women, and one in 71 men will be raped in their lifetime.

The military is much worse. Women are actively punished for reporting rapes to their commanding officers, and in turn, COs are encouraged to handle rapes at a unit level to prevent embarrassment.

Women are encouraged not to report rape. They're the ones at fault, not the people who raped them. And then you have idiots like this, who use rape accusations to destroy the lives of men, and suffer relatively no consequences in return.

Ever been the victim of a false rape allegation?

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Also, we have problems with other crimes in the US but nowhere do I hear people talking about "theft culture" or "assault culture".

You're actually going to set here, with a straight face, and tell me that rape culture doesn't exist in the United States? Kinda like how if women are legitimately raped, they have ways of shutting their bodies down so they really don't get pregnant. Or how they were slutty and just asking for it, and should have never been out there in the first place?


sounds like with a range like that we should be seeing people randomly raped as they walk down the street... they must have gotten those numbers from the pull-it-from-my-ass department.

/93.821% of all statistics are made up and only 10% of those were legitimately researched.
 
2012-12-04 07:40:28 AM  

Exception Collection: fredbox: Well, let me take a poll of rape victims, and a poll of murder victims, and find out how destroyed they respectively feel.

The thing about this is, murder just destroys them once. Rape destroys them (for a while at least) every time a man touches them - every time they are alone - every time they remember what happened.


Well, my girlfriend was raped long time ago, and she has issues, but she is a hell lot better as if she had been murdered.
Murderers, true or falsely acusated, still get more respect as falsely acusated rapist.
 
2012-12-04 07:42:08 AM  
I don't know why you guys are being so tough on her!
I feel sorry for her, because now she will get a SEVERE slap on the wrist and an EXTREME telling-to.

/the system is trash
 
2012-12-04 07:42:52 AM  

untaken_name: HindiDiscoMonster: Exception Collection: ks1415: Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.

Heh. Rape and consent issues are of huge importance to me - not because I've been raped (though with my luck I expect that to happen one day), but because others have. And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue; a friend of mine is writing back and forth to an old friend she wants to start dating - but can't, because he (supposedly, I don't know all the facts) was thrown in prison on nothing more than three "eyewitnesses" and a "bad" alibi. (The alibi was by the the current girlfriend, aka the victim's mother; supposedly her (adult) daughter had propositioned him and was turned down, so she and some friends that disliked him perjured themselves. That's what my friend says, at least. I'm not sure what to believe.)

Consent is critical to any relationship.

it's going to get to the point that men are going to have to require a legal document "Consent for Sexual Activity" signed in triplicate and notarized before they are going to take the risk just for CYA purposes.

Didn't "Amazon Women on the Moon" address this very point? Or was it "Kentucky Fried Movie"?


"Cherry 2000" has a scene where people bring their lawyers to a singles bar to draw up contracts for consensual sex. Not sure about those two.
 
2012-12-04 07:42:58 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Nogale: I want to strangle women who do this. Rape is a real problem; making false accusations trivializes the issue and makes it harder for women who have been raped.

So many responses like this in this thread. "False accusations of rape are bad because they make it harder for legitimate victims of rape."

Well yeah, but what about the innocent men who are falsely accused? Pretty sure it makes it pretty hard for them as well. Especially when they are fired from their jobs, prosecuted, thrown in prison, and placed on a sex offenders registry and ostracized from society. Their lives are ruined as completely as any rape victim. But I guess the victims of these cases don't matter nearly as much as victims in unrelated cases.


Unless my knowledge of Fark's demographics is wildly incorrect, most of the people making the above comment in this thread are male. I can confirm with 100% certainty that at least one of them is.
 
2012-12-04 07:44:13 AM  

A Terrible Human: Awww ain't it cute that both Reddit and Fark are full of misogynists and bronies. :D


Awww ain't it cute that rational discourse regarding this particular social problem is impossible.
 
2012-12-04 07:44:35 AM  
People who make false accusations of criminal behavior should face the exact same sentence that the falsely accused would have face. To be honest this guy is lucky the police filed a false police report charge against the woman.

My crazy ex tried to file false charges against me multiple times through different agencies as a divorce 'tactic'. Luckily for me the police found her so lacking in credibility they never even bothered me to come down for questioning.

What more than one agency did tell me though was to record every interaction with her. I didn't have two months go by between the time I was given that advice and the time a recording kept me out of jail. Even though I had the recording showing clearly showing the accusations were false I still couldn't get law enforcement to charge her with filing a false report.

/all of which is made the worse because crap like this cheapens reals rape victims.
 
2012-12-04 07:44:45 AM  

Serious Black: I was referring to people like Todd Akin who think there are different categories of rape. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think he is 100% right. I know a number of them...they think that a woman going out to a bar wearing a revealing outfit and having a couple of beers was asking for it.


Yeah, it sucks that there are some men who minimize issues like rape in the US, just as it sucks that there are women who are all to willing to use accusations of rape or the threat of those accusations as a weapon.

Here's the thing, not all men are rapists; in fact, very few of them are. Similarly, not all women use the accusation of rape or its threat as a weapon; but some of them do and that number is probably higher than the opponents of "rape culture" would like to admit. In my own dating history it's running at about 10% who make joking comments about crying rape if they don't get what they want.

I've never stuck my dick in anyone who didn't either verbally ask for it or pull it out and do it themselves but I've been repeatedly denigrated as a potential rapist since I have a dick or told that I'm a supporter of rape culture because I'm not the loudest in the two minutes hate. Honestly, I'm getting pretty farking sick of it.
 
2012-12-04 07:46:24 AM  

signaljammer: Well, this man has been accused of things twice. Once was rape. The other was poor sexual performance. He should be able to put contrary testimony on the local news.


Well, really, she has no credibility. He is probably pretty good.
 
2012-12-04 07:46:33 AM  

Apos: *scans headline*

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]
"So....This is *truly* illegitimate this time?"


Yes. This is the opposite of what Akin meant by "Legitimate Rape". Unfortunately for him, and fortunately, for the rest of us, he not only chose to phrase it the way that he did, which made what he was saying far, far, far more terrible than what he actually meant, -but- that he also added on his bizarre belief in the "shutting that thing down", which just proved that not only does he have no idea how to eloquently speak what he means, he also is a farking idiot.
 
2012-12-04 07:46:37 AM  
Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,
 
2012-12-04 07:46:48 AM  

untaken_name: HindiDiscoMonster: Exception Collection: ks1415: Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.

Heh. Rape and consent issues are of huge importance to me - not because I've been raped (though with my luck I expect that to happen one day), but because others have. And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue; a friend of mine is writing back and forth to an old friend she wants to start dating - but can't, because he (supposedly, I don't know all the facts) was thrown in prison on nothing more than three "eyewitnesses" and a "bad" alibi. (The alibi was by the the current girlfriend, aka the victim's mother; supposedly her (adult) daughter had propositioned him and was turned down, so she and some friends that disliked him perjured themselves. That's what my friend says, at least. I'm not sure what to believe.)

Consent is critical to any relationship.

it's going to get to the point that men are going to have to require a legal document "Consent for Sexual Activity" signed in triplicate and notarized before they are going to take the risk just for CYA purposes.

Didn't "Amazon Women on the Moon" address this very point? Or was it "Kentucky Fried Movie"?


damn... I thought it was just a good idea... I haven't seen either of those. I guess I have to now.
 
2012-12-04 07:47:53 AM  

Moonlightfox: I've never followed the double standard you mention, I've never looked down on someone for their decisions about their sexuality. I have never done anything like that with a woman without discussing it and making sure it was okay. And I've taken no for an answer. But I guess that doesn't matter because "hurr rape culture." You are stereotyping me as a degenerate neanderthal rapist because I'm male. You're a cancer on society.


Actually, I'm not. I never stated that all men are rapists; you made that leap all by yourself. I do my best not to prejudge anyone. I'm not picking at *you* for supporting a rape culture; I'm picking at the culture for supporting rape. Individuals can (and usually will) be better than the average.

Dokushin: What would you consider to be ideal?


Ideal? 100% conviction of the guilty, 100% release of the innocent, 100% punishment of those that deliberately destroy the lives of others.

On-Off: Well, my girlfriend was raped long time ago, and she has issues, but she is a hell lot better as if she had been murdered.
Murderers, true or falsely acusated, still get more respect as falsely acusated rapist.


True. And I'm not saying that murder is better by any means; just different.

/I'm aware of what our culture - American culture - is like. I don't know how to fix it, but I won't hide under a pillow and ignore it until it goes away.
//Halloween before last, I was at a bar with friends. Several people groped me throughout the night. I'll admit that I was wearing clothing that was a little more risque than I usually do in public - I usually lean towards the "Wouldn't be out of place at a church" side of things - but the fact that I was wearing leggings and a skirt wasn't an invitation to pat my ass. When I complained about it to one of the people that patted me, he said "Well then why'd you wear that?" - as though it was MY fault... and that was my introduction to rape culture.
///Oddly enough nobody ever tried that before I transitioned. Well, except for my wife.
 
2012-12-04 07:48:33 AM  

Millennium: HindiDiscoMonster: it's going to get to the point that men are going to have to require a legal document "Consent for Sexual Activity" signed in triplicate and notarized before they are going to take the risk just for CYA purposes.

That wouldn't be enough anyway, because you have to preserve the right to change one's mind at literally any moment (other, of course, than retroactively).

This is what makes rape so hard to prosecute: you essentially have to prove all parties' state of mind at every relevant moment, because those mind-states are what make it rape or not. It's easy to establish reasonable doubt under circumstances like that, and no one has found a better solution. Sometimes I wonder if a better solution even exists.


also require that the act is filmed... if no accusation is forthcoming, it gets deleted (unless of course you are into voyeurism).
 
2012-12-04 07:49:25 AM  

untaken_name: Uh, how could anyone possibly know how many rapes are unreported? That doesn't make any logical sense at all.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Crime_Victimization_Survey
 
2012-12-04 07:49:52 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Good lord, some of you need to clean the centipedes out of your vaginas. She recanted. She admitted she lied. She did the right thing. No harm, no foul. So calm the fake out rage down to about a 4 or 5,


It's not a fake rage. Lying about this is just plain unacceptable.
 
2012-12-04 07:50:37 AM  

Exception Collection: I don't think anyone in this thread said that. I damned well know I didn't. But we do have a culture in this nation that fosters rape. As referenced above, a girl that sleeps around is considered a slut; a slut can't be raped, right? Or what if they made certain decisions about the activities involved, and the guy decides "screw that, I want anal"?


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