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2012-12-04 05:10:01 AM
This is what Republicans think women do all the time.
 
2012-12-04 05:11:33 AM

Exception Collection: Oddly enough, I think that's reasonable. Though since sometimes one accuser brings others out of their hiding spots, maybe that wouldn't work.


Once he's convicted and his name is in the paper...

metaskie: Yes. Untill someone has been proven guilty in a court of law, the names of either party should never be public information. Once accused, even if proven innocent, it's too damn difficult to shake loose that reputation.


It's actually done that way in some other countries. I want to say one of them is Britain but I could be wrong.
 
2012-12-04 05:11:54 AM

HBK: Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: A key that opens every lock is a master key.

A lock that opens to every key is a shiatty lock.

That's not rape-culture. That's science.

Hate to break it to you, but what you have isn't a key, though I can see how you might have mistaken it for one. And your joke, right there, *is* rape culture.

EVERYTHING IS RAPE CULTURE~~!!! WHY CAN'T YOU ALL SEE THAT!!!!

/It's like I'm the only one who sees all the rape!


Erhmagerd! Yer my hirroo
 
2012-12-04 05:11:59 AM

BronyMedic: Bathia_Mapes: Nothing remotely amusing about this, submitter. Not only does this make it more difficult for women who have been sexually assaulted, but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.

This.

There is nothing amusing about this, at all. Not only did she ruin the life of a man who is innocent, by her own admission, she has furthered the rape culture which makes women unlikely to come forward and admit they were actually raped.


It's amusing because all women are disgusting liars out to trap men! There is no such thing as rape, it's just a feminazi conspiracy- look how many stories there are about women lying, it just proves all women are evil!
/Confirmation bias you say? Never heard of it...
//If one woman lies....one woman is lying.
 
2012-12-04 05:22:43 AM

ks1415: Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.


Heh. Rape and consent issues are of huge importance to me - not because I've been raped (though with my luck I expect that to happen one day), but because others have. And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue; a friend of mine is writing back and forth to an old friend she wants to start dating - but can't, because he (supposedly, I don't know all the facts) was thrown in prison on nothing more than three "eyewitnesses" and a "bad" alibi. (The alibi was by the the current girlfriend, aka the victim's mother; supposedly her (adult) daughter had propositioned him and was turned down, so she and some friends that disliked him perjured themselves. That's what my friend says, at least. I'm not sure what to believe.)

Consent is critical to any relationship.
 
2012-12-04 05:28:18 AM
In Sweden her accusation probably would have stood up.
 
2012-12-04 05:28:38 AM

ExcaliburPrime111:
Best to wait till marriage, or at least until your relationship has been steady for a long enough period of time that the other party cannot easily cry rape.


Not much protection, that.
Anytime you've been alone in the room with another person, that person can "cry rape". This hazard is particularly present when dealing with mentally unbalanced and vulnerable persons. Your reputation will by no means be cleared by the little detail that you were never convicted, or even formally charged. And unless you can prove malice on the part of the accuser, you can't even seek redress in civil court.
So have all the (consensual, considerate, safe) sex you want, but don't exist near crazy people.
 
2012-12-04 05:31:01 AM

Exception Collection: And the issue of false accusations is a very real issue


Oh, I know. It's just occasionally made a priority in a way that potentially harms other causes. It's like shark attacks; it happens, and it's horrible when it does, but it's rare enough that protecting against it should really be done with a decent sense of perspective.

Consent is critical to any relationship.

Hear, hear.
 
2012-12-04 05:45:26 AM

Exception Collection: AverageAmericanGuy: Exception Collection: Rape culture still exists

Not where I'm at. Everyone around here is pretty anti-rape.

Anti-rape, yes. Anti-things-that-support-rape, probably not. Victim blaming, ostracization of those that have been victimized, attacks on women as "sluts" while men that get laid often are "studs"... those are all part of rape culture.


Gonna have to disagree with you there. idolizing guys who get laid while deriding the same in women is an unethical double-standard, but it has nothing to do with rape. It's on one side of the "valid consent" line, while rape is on the other side; this simply has to be the line, and I gotta say, it kinda bothers me when things on one side of this line get mixed up with things on the other side of this line.

For example, the fact that a woman consensually sleeps around should have no bearing on whether you believe them when they claim to have been raped, and likewise the fact that a man consensually sleeps around a lot (whether you think his behaviour may be sleazy, or even misogynistic) should have no bearing on whether you believe him when he says he didn't cross that line. Over and again I find the importance of this line is overlooked and obfuscated.

And yeah, I hear what you're saying about the need to discourage victim-blaming and ostracization of the victim -stuff that some Republican candidates have said would seem to indicate that that is still a valid problem. I'm just saying it's important to not mix up promiscuity (or even judgements of promiscuity) with rape. They are on opposite sides of the line.
 
2012-12-04 05:46:34 AM
Never stick your dick in crazy.

/what a horrible woman
//ruining a mans life and the lives of other women who now won't come forward
 
2012-12-04 05:48:15 AM
Heh. I think my favorite of these stories was the one from Arizona from a few years back. Young woman filed a rape claim, no information on her attacker, police asked around and people told them she was a huge party girl and drama queen and they threatened her with everything under the sun till she recanted then filed for the same filing a false police report charge which she plead guilty to.

Couple years later, pretty much by absolute accident, they managed to catch a serial rapist. Turns out he took pictures of all his victims as he was torturing them. In the process of tracking down the identity of all the victims so they could press as many charges as they could, guess whose pictures were in there?

Or a person I know who filed charges. Police investigated her, and on the word of a known junkie prostitute who had stolen money from my friend accepted that my friend was a junkie prostitute, and then spent a couple hours interrogating her, yelling at her, threatening to charge her for prostitution unless she admitted she'd made it all up, all the while locked in a small room with a big angry male cop. When she agreed that she made it all up they asked her why. She didn't know why she'd made it up. So they explained to her that she'd made it up because she was a junkie prostitute and worried she was pregnant with a black man's baby which she wouldn't be able to explain. She agreed with them again. So now that they had the full story, they filed charges for filing a false police report, complete with her confession on record that she'd made it up because she was afraid she might be pregnant and have a black baby.
 
2012-12-04 05:49:01 AM

Lukeonia1: Am I the only one who clicked the link expecting to read that the prosecutor is still pursuing charges against her attacker victim anyway?


No, unfortunately.
 
2012-12-04 05:53:42 AM

HotWingAgenda: ExcaliburPrime111: Don't fark people you just met.

This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?


If you don't bury the body.
 
2012-12-04 05:57:56 AM
A girl once told a bunch of people that I raped her because I turned her down for sex. She later admitted to lying, but it still followed me for years.
 
2012-12-04 06:02:46 AM
I'd plea guilty on the condition that people don't find out I slept with THAT
 
2012-12-04 06:03:51 AM
What if there's more to this than what we're seeing?

What if it really wasn't consensual, she turned him in, she found out the typical sentancing, and then she decided it was too harsh? What then? Do we even care enough to find out? I'm seeing a lot of people rush to judgement.

Are we really so sure that the third-party news team will dig into the facts for completeness, or do they just want a story? It's a news report, not a court verdict.

How much are we projecting at this woman due to recent political statements? Read the comments here. People are going so far as to blame her for other people's silence on non-related rapes. That's really pushing it. There are so many other factors involved that will play a much greater role in that decision. She also can't be blamed if others use her as a point of reference. We're basically saying that other people don't have responsibility for how they apply information that they hear. Did she even ask for news coverage?

The entire thing just feels like a witch hunt.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:11 AM
Painfully bad.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:17 AM
But was it legitimate sex?

/wish I was here earlier
 
2012-12-04 06:09:15 AM

randomjsa: Is it time yet to change the law to be fair?

I'm all for protecting the name of the accuser in the case of rape but if, and only if, we also protect the name of the accused until after the trial. If he's found guilty, then put his name in every paper, but until then he deserves just as much right not to have his name dragged through the mud as she does.


This THIS a 1,000 times this. We have a local paper that prints "Samuel T. Laukenshclemmer, 41, of 137 Falcon Rd, Westbury, who works at Azimuth Inc., 99 Lost Highway, Clemmer, is accused of raping a woman at her residence. It is the policy of this paper to not reveal the identity of victims of rape."

What complete and utter bullshiat.

In more than one case it has later been found that the girl was PO'ed at the accused over something, and the whole accusation of rape or whathaveyou was false. The recant is NEVER found on the front page, and the girl is never exposed, much less charged, and the hapless guy is farked forever now in so many ways.

I understand and agree that we do not want to make it harder for real rape victims to come forward. But men should have some rights too.
 
2012-12-04 06:11:43 AM

Dracolich: What if there's more to this than what we're seeing?

What if it really wasn't consensual, she turned him in, she found out the typical sentancing, and then she decided it was too harsh? What then? Do we even care enough to find out? I'm seeing a lot of people rush to judgement.

Are we really so sure that the third-party news team will dig into the facts for completeness, or do they just want a story? It's a news report, not a court verdict.

How much are we projecting at this woman due to recent political statements? Read the comments here. People are going so far as to blame her for other people's silence on non-related rapes. That's really pushing it. There are so many other factors involved that will play a much greater role in that decision. She also can't be blamed if others use her as a point of reference. We're basically saying that other people don't have responsibility for how they apply information that they hear. Did she even ask for news coverage?

The entire thing just feels like a witch hunt.


If she changed her mind due to "harsh sentencing" then she is still guilty. By taking that decision away from law enforcement, she would allow the possibility of someone else getting victimized.
 
2012-12-04 06:17:22 AM
"A girl once told a bunch of people that I raped her because I turned her down for sex. She later admitted to lying, but it still followed me for years."

Is your name Joseph?
 
2012-12-04 06:21:43 AM

ks1415: I'm impressed at the focus on what's important in here: Everything is women's fault. Rape culture occurs because of false rape accusations, preventing false rape accusations is more important than allowing rape victims to come forward, people like this complicate the definition rape and consequently make rapists more sympathetic (though anyone who suggests there's male-driven rape culture is just wrong because we all totally know rape is bad)...just really impressive.

Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.


No, you're right. Her decision to file a false rape report was obviously some man's fault.
 
2012-12-04 06:22:22 AM
But Marital Rape is still legit, right? Todd said it was!

/I kid
 
2012-12-04 06:24:48 AM
I'd just like to say that I didn't enjoy it either, but I didn't call the cops.
 
2012-12-04 06:24:49 AM
wtvf.images.worldnow.com 

www.platformnation.com
 
2012-12-04 06:26:05 AM

untaken_name:
No, you're right. Her decision to file a false rape report was obviously some man's fault.


Yeah, he was bad in the sack. Its right there in the headline.
 
2012-12-04 06:26:48 AM
We should let real rape victims determine her sentence.
 
2012-12-04 06:27:00 AM

mike_d85: untaken_name:
No, you're right. Her decision to file a false rape report was obviously some man's fault.

Yeah, he was bad in the sack. Its right there in the headline.


That's why I said "obviously".
 
2012-12-04 06:28:31 AM
Exception Collection:Rape culture

ks1415:Rape culture

Seriously, how do you two even leave the house? We live in rape culture, murder culture, auto theft culture, starting wars under false pretenses culture, cheating on tax return culture.

Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them. I also don't steal cars, murder, start wars, cheat on my taxes (though my last audit turned up a couple math errors and a relative lack of understanding of how in the hell I was really supposed to do depreciation, so you got me there.)

Jesus.
 
2012-12-04 06:32:09 AM

ingineervt: "A girl once told a bunch of people that I raped her because I turned her down for sex. She later admitted to lying, but it still followed me for years."

Is your name Joseph?


No, in his case she claimed God raped her.
 
2012-12-04 06:33:47 AM

fredbox: Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them.


Interesting choice of words
 
2012-12-04 06:35:14 AM

Dracolich: fredbox: Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them.

Interesting choice of words


How's that?
 
2012-12-04 06:38:20 AM

E5bie: Or that some not-agreed-to act occurred, and she didn't understand that going to a hotel room means you get the package deal, whatever he wants?


Um....what?
 
2012-12-04 06:40:39 AM
Is she one of those fat round chicks with no boobs?
They don't like anything.
 
2012-12-04 06:42:21 AM
So this is the thread where people suggest that a man falsely accused of rape should shut up and deal with the consequences of being falsely accused of rape because men don't matter

People who think false rape accusations are not a big deal are almost as sick as people like Todd akin.

/I will be falsely accused of being a rape apologist when I said no such thing
//rape is bad
 
2012-12-04 06:43:12 AM
This animal deserves to be punished for rape. She was ruining a man's life forever. This monster should take responsibility and suffer jail time.
 
2012-12-04 06:43:31 AM

fredbox: Dracolich: fredbox: Not all men promote or condone rape. Not all men are compelled by their penises to achieve intercourse at any possible cost. Stop lumping me in with them.

Interesting choice of words

How's that?


"Lumping something in" is based on a physical process. It's used as verbal imagery. So, in this case, I'm visualizing you being essentially tossed onto a pile of men who are compelled by their penises to achive intercourse and promote rape. Use your imagination at this point for all of the details. Then, over that image there's one of those old red circle with a line through it "no" signs.
 
2012-12-04 06:45:19 AM

BronyMedic: There is nothing amusing about this, at all. Not only did she ruin the life of a man who is innocent, by her own admission, she has furthered the rape culture which makes women unlikely to come forward and admit they were actually raped.


Rape culture?

Show me anywhere in the US where rape is not a crime. The total number of rapes has been steadily declining and the rapes per 100K persons has been dropping even faster. Also, we have problems with other crimes in the US but nowhere do I hear people talking about "theft culture" or "assault culture".
 
2012-12-04 06:46:58 AM

Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.


Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.
 
2012-12-04 06:48:31 AM

Dracolich: I'm visualizing you being essentially tossed onto a pile of men who are compelled by their penises to achive intercourse and promote rape.


Prison, you mean?

I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".
 
2012-12-04 06:50:11 AM

Millennium: Pocket Ninja: A deliberately false claim of rape should result in a jail sentence for the accuser exactly equivalent to what the accused would have potentially served.

Assuming, of course, that the malice can be proved beyond reasonable doubt like any other crime. That's going to be a very difficult thing to do, but then, rape has not, as a rule, proved to be an easy thing to prosecute either.


You don't have to always prove malice or intent. It's up to the legislature to specify that when it makes the law

Statutory rape is an example of a crime you don't need to prove malice or intent for a conviction
 
2012-12-04 06:52:06 AM

fredbox: Dracolich: I'm visualizing you being essentially tossed onto a pile of men who are compelled by their penises to achive intercourse and promote rape.

Prison, you mean?

I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".


What I find interesting is the lack of law enforcement in the prison itself. It seems self-defeating if the point is behavior correction.
 
2012-12-04 06:52:37 AM

fredbox: I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".


Pretty much this. If there is a "rape culture" in the US, it is based in the expectation that people incarcerated in our prison system get a healthy helping of rape to go along with their sentence.
 
2012-12-04 06:53:09 AM

fredbox: Prison, you mean?

I mean as long as "rape culture" is a thing, let's deal with the men falsely accused thereof, for whom institutionally sanctioned rape is celebrated as a valid result. Now there's "rape culture".


This. That is a case where people getting raped is perceived as not only acceptable and normal, but even irreverently comical. That is an instance where the phrase "rape culture" is applicable.
 
2012-12-04 06:56:39 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Show me anywhere in the US where rape is not a crime. The total number of rapes has been steadily declining and the rapes per 100K persons has been dropping even faster.


Yeah. About that. 50-90% of Rapes in the United States go Unreported. RAINN reports that 54% of all rapes against women go unreported, and only 3 in 97 rapists will ever see a day in prison.

One in five women, and one in 71 men will be raped in their lifetime.

The military is much worse. Women are actively punished for reporting rapes to their commanding officers, and in turn, COs are encouraged to handle rapes at a unit level to prevent embarrassment.

Women are encouraged not to report rape. They're the ones at fault, not the people who raped them. And then you have idiots like this, who use rape accusations to destroy the lives of men, and suffer relatively no consequences in return.

Ever been the victim of a false rape allegation?

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Also, we have problems with other crimes in the US but nowhere do I hear people talking about "theft culture" or "assault culture".


You're actually going to set here, with a straight face, and tell me that rape culture doesn't exist in the United States? Kinda like how if women are legitimately raped, they have ways of shutting their bodies down so they really don't get pregnant. Or how they were slutty and just asking for it, and should have never been out there in the first place?
 
2012-12-04 06:56:59 AM
Shoulda rubbed one off and went about his business.
 
2012-12-04 07:02:37 AM

ks1415: I'm impressed at the focus on what's important in here: Everything is women's fault. Rape culture occurs because of false rape accusations, preventing false rape accusations is more important than allowing rape victims to come forward, people like this complicate the definition rape and consequently make rapists more sympathetic (though anyone who suggests there's male-driven rape culture is just wrong because we all totally know rape is bad)...just really impressive.

Exception Collection is my hero for the night. Everyone else can fark off back to reddit. One forum full of rape apologists was enough, thank you very much.


"Anyone who doesn't think exactly like I tell them to is a pro-rape misogynist, also men are all inherently rapists"
I was raised to be sympathetic to women's rights, but the more feminists say things like this and cast insults at my entire gender the less I give a shiat what they have to say.
 
2012-12-04 07:03:33 AM
u don't want sex women? fine we won't have sex with u anymore
 
2012-12-04 07:09:02 AM

Bathia_Mapes: but she false accused an innocent man of a crime that could have very well ruined his life had she not admitted lying.


You're assuming that admitting that she lied would make a difference. Many people assume that if you're accused of something, that means you did something.
 
2012-12-04 07:09:18 AM

Moonlightfox:
I was raised to be sympathetic to women's rights, but the more feminists say things like this and cast insults at my entire gender the less I give a shiat what they have to say.


I think the "rape culture" rhetoric goes beyond feminism and into either female separatism or female supremacism. I don't claim we live in theft culture because most cops are too lazy to investigate property crimes, but there's certainly a metric hell of a lot more theft than rape. Plenty of non-sexual physical assault out there too.
 
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