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(ESPN)   Heisman finalists announced. "[Johnny] Manziel is the favorite to win college football's most famous player of the year award on Saturday night in Manhattan"   (espn.go.com) divider line 103
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2012-12-03 08:36:58 PM  
The Heisman race is incredibly mediocre this year. None of them freaking deserve it, another overrated dual threat QB. And we'll have another one next year, Miller is almost certain to get it.
 
2012-12-03 08:51:12 PM  
I guess all you have to do is beat an overrated SEC team, and you automatically get the Heisman by default.

/note: Manziel is having a GREAT year, and nobody gave a sh*t until they beat Alabama
 
2012-12-03 09:53:49 PM  
blog.chron.com

INVISIBLE FACE PUNCH!
 
2012-12-04 12:11:52 AM  
i'd give it to that lattimore fellow for leading the league this year in knee's bent the wrong way
 
2012-12-04 12:12:40 AM  
dangit. KNEES. don't know why i put an apostrophe there
 
2012-12-04 12:14:06 AM  
Hugh Green was robbed, if that fark from ND wins it will be a travesty.
 
2012-12-04 12:29:31 AM  
I think we should change the description of who the Heisman is awarded to. It should only be given to the most outstanding QB or RB in collegiate football.
 
2012-12-04 12:33:33 AM  

Serious Black: I think we should change the description of who the Heisman is awarded to. It should only be given to the player least likely to become an NFL star most outstanding QB or RB in collegiate football.


FTFY
 
2012-12-04 12:35:54 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Serious Black: I think we should change the description of who the Heisman is awarded to. It should only be given to the player least likely to become an NFL star most outstanding QB or RB in collegiate football.

FTFY


Geno Toretta agrees
 
2012-12-04 12:45:59 AM  
Serious Black : I think we should change the description of who the Heisman is awarded to. It should only be given to the most outstanding QB or RB in collegiate football who
plays for a team with an ESPN TV deal
 
2012-12-04 12:55:42 AM  

Zagloba: Serious Black : I think we should change the description of who the Heisman is awarded to. It should only be given to the most outstanding QB or RB in collegiate football who
plays for a team with an ESPN TV deal


That's pretty much every team.
 
2012-12-04 01:01:42 AM  
Let's see...
A freshman with a made-for-TV nickname who beat the #1 team. (A freshman has never won)
A linebacker who probably already has a Lifetime movie in the works about his year playing for the most famous college football team ever. And ranked #1 at the end of the season (a defense-only player has never won)
So the obvious choice is ........Collin Klein.
 
HBK
2012-12-04 01:05:20 AM  
Haha, remember when people used to say the Big 12 wasn't very good? Then two of its middle-rung teams went to other conferences and one of those teams played in the Big 10 championship and the other team has a heisman candidate that beat the SEC's best team?

By the looks of it the Big 12 was just fine.

/ignore Colorado
 
2012-12-04 01:11:26 AM  

Serious Black: I think we should change the description of who the Heisman is awarded to. It should only be given to the most outstanding QB or RB in collegiate football.


Now, now, college football's most famous player of the year is a fine criteria.
 
2012-12-04 01:21:03 AM  
If you started the season from this point and played again, TAMU would be in the championship game.
 
2012-12-04 01:26:13 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If you started the season from this point and played again, TAMU would be in the championship game.


false
 
2012-12-04 01:45:35 AM  
USC sucked out loud this year, but Marquis Lee deserved to be in the top three and, I think, win.
 
2012-12-04 01:54:47 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If you started the season from this point and played again, TAMU would be in the championship game.


Let's hope they all could get seats together.

Do you think they'd be rooting for Ohio State, or Stanford?
 
2012-12-04 02:24:26 AM  

animesucks: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If you started the season from this point and played again, TAMU would be in the championship game.

false


Nope. It's true. They'd beat LSU and Florida if they played them again.
 
2012-12-04 02:32:19 AM  

jackiepaper: Geno Toretta agrees


so does RGIII
 
2012-12-04 03:08:43 AM  
HBK: By the looks of it the Big 12 was just fine.

/ignore Colorado


I...I wish I could.
 
2012-12-04 04:01:13 AM  
What if there was a QB who has more passing yards than Colin Klein, as many touchdowns as Johnny Manziel, and fewer interceptions than both, and has more rushing yards than anyone in college football this year, and just led his 12-1 team to a BCS bowl? Certainly he would be a candidate for the most famous player of the year award, right?

/Right?
 
2012-12-04 04:27:12 AM  

ratman999: What if there was a QB who has more passing yards than Colin Klein, as many touchdowns as Johnny Manziel, and fewer interceptions than both, and has more rushing yards than anyone in college football this year, and just led his 12-1 team to a BCS bowl? Certainly he would be a candidate for the most famous player of the year award, right?

/Right?


Lost to Iowa. Next candidate, please.
 
2012-12-04 04:30:24 AM  

ratman999: What if there was a QB who has more passing yards than Colin Klein, as many touchdowns as Johnny Manziel, and fewer interceptions than both, and has more rushing yards than anyone in college football this year, and just led his 12-1 team to a BCS bowl? Certainly he would be a candidate for the most famous player of the year award, right?

/Right?


Eh, that could only happen if he weren't playing against a bunch of silly ninnies.
 
2012-12-04 05:25:48 AM  

GAT_00: The Heisman race is incredibly mediocre this year. None of them freaking deserve it, another overrated dual threat QB. And we'll have another one next year, Miller is almost certain to get it.


Hell, I think he should've at least been invited to NY this year over Klein.
 
2012-12-04 06:27:39 AM  
Teddy Bridgewater 2013 plz.
 
2012-12-04 06:40:44 AM  
If Manziel was still in the Big 12, his success would be proof that the Big 12 is weak. Since he is in the SEC, he's a god.
 
2012-12-04 06:49:38 AM  
Collin Klein? Apparently his grandfather is Jewish... Another great addition to the pamphlet!
 
2012-12-04 06:54:26 AM  
stat.mobli.com 

/just cause
 
2012-12-04 07:12:51 AM  

GAT_00: The Heisman race is incredibly mediocre this year.


The Heisman race is incredibly weak every year. Only one defensive player has ever won the award (about the only year it was ever exciting) and he was a three-way threat. No linebacker or interior lineman has won it at all.
 
2012-12-04 07:14:13 AM  

HBK: Haha, remember when people used to say the Big 12 wasn't very good? Then two of its middle-rung teams went to other conferences and one of those teams played in the Big 10 championship and the other team has a heisman candidate that beat the SEC's best team?

By the looks of it the Big 12 was just fine.

/ignore Colorado


If I remember right, that team got steamrolled and while atm is a good story, they are proof that one good player can change a teams entire outlook.

If they had played in the big 12 this year they would be in he NCG since they would have rolled through this shiatty big 12 with no competition.
 
2012-12-04 07:18:59 AM  
He may not deserve to win, but Teddy Bridgewater deserves at least an invite to New York.
 
2012-12-04 07:20:52 AM  

puffy999: I guess all you have to do is beat an overrated play for a SEC team, and you automatically get the Heisman by default.



It's just ESPN being ESPN. ESPN longer reports or analyzes anything -- it is only in the business of marketing. Since ESPN currently has a multi-billion dollar contract with the SEC, it is going to market the hell out of the SEC.

Case in point: I've seen countless interviews and stories on Manziel on ESPN pumping him up for the heisman. I've yet to see anything like that on ESPN for Klein, Teo or any other heisman hopeful.

At this rate, I fully expect the eight-team playoff to be comprised of at least seven SEC teams, including one three-loss SEC team. It's just getting ridiculous.

/UGA alum/fan
//Why can't you spike a farking football with 14 seconds left?
 
2012-12-04 07:46:04 AM  

The_Great_Hambino: puffy999: I guess all you have to do is beat an overrated play for a SEC team, and you automatically get the Heisman by default.


It's just ESPN being ESPN. ESPN longer reports or analyzes anything -- it is only in the business of marketing. Since ESPN currently has a multi-billion dollar contract with the SEC, it is going to market the hell out of the SEC.

Case in point: I've seen countless interviews and stories on Manziel on ESPN pumping him up for the heisman. I've yet to see anything like that on ESPN for Klein, Teo or any other heisman hopeful.

At this rate, I fully expect the eight-team playoff to be comprised of at least seven SEC teams, including one three-loss SEC team. It's just getting ridiculous.

/UGA alum/fan
//Why can't you spike a farking football with 14 seconds left?


Well ESPN has deals with other conferences as well and besides Klein shiat the bed in his big game, Teo has not really had a huge game that makes people say "damn, this kid is great" he's a solid player and that's about it. Manziel took over a game to win it and even during a fark up he came out on top.

/farking spike the god damned ball!!!!
//I would rather have a blow out than lose like that
///thanks for ruining my morning......
 
2012-12-04 07:51:17 AM  

The_Great_Hambino: puffy999: I guess all you have to do is beat an overrated play for a SEC team, and you automatically get the Heisman by default.


It's just ESPN being ESPN. ESPN longer reports or analyzes anything -- it is only in the business of marketing. Since ESPN currently has a multi-billion dollar contract with the SEC, it is going to market the hell out of the SEC.

Case in point: I've seen countless interviews and stories on Manziel on ESPN pumping him up for the heisman. I've yet to see anything like that on ESPN for Klein, Teo or any other heisman hopeful.

At this rate, I fully expect the eight-team playoff to be comprised of at least seven SEC teams, including one three-loss SEC team. It's just getting ridiculous.

/UGA alum/fan
//Why can't you spike a farking football with 14 seconds left?


The better question is why can't you stop any run play? Why can't you hold a team to under 300 yards rushing with all that NFL talent on defense?
 
2012-12-04 07:55:45 AM  

HBK: Haha, remember when people used to say the Big 12 wasn't very good? Then two of its middle-rung teams went to other conferences and one of those teams played in the Big 10 championship and the other team has a heisman candidate that beat the SEC's best team?

By the looks of it the Big 12 was just fine.

/ignore Colorado


so what you're saying is the Big 12 is the San Diego Chargers of college football?
 
2012-12-04 08:06:36 AM  
All you haters - the aggies gave Alabama their only loss. The only reason that Manziel should not win is because he is an aggie. Which is a good enough reason for me. 12th man my ass, making out in the stands after every touchdown? This is why people hate college station.

Steps off his soapbox

/what do you call an aggie after ten years in the workforce?
//boss
/// no you want to be called boss
//// would love a Tivy kid to win
 
2012-12-04 08:08:20 AM  

steamingpile: The_Great_Hambino: puffy999: I guess all you have to do is beat an overrated play for a SEC team, and you automatically get the Heisman by default.


It's just ESPN being ESPN. ESPN longer reports or analyzes anything -- it is only in the business of marketing. Since ESPN currently has a multi-billion dollar contract with the SEC, it is going to market the hell out of the SEC.

Case in point: I've seen countless interviews and stories on Manziel on ESPN pumping him up for the heisman. I've yet to see anything like that on ESPN for Klein, Teo or any other heisman hopeful.

At this rate, I fully expect the eight-team playoff to be comprised of at least seven SEC teams, including one three-loss SEC team. It's just getting ridiculous.

/UGA alum/fan
//Why can't you spike a farking football with 14 seconds left?

Well ESPN has deals with other conferences as well and besides Klein shiat the bed in his big game, Teo has not really had a huge game that makes people say "damn, this kid is great" he's a solid player and that's about it. Manziel took over a game to win it and even during a fark up he came out on top.

/farking spike the god damned ball!!!!
//I would rather have a blow out than lose like that
///thanks for ruining my morning......



Of course, that ignores the fact that Manziel was a train wreck against Florida and LSU. ESPN also seemingly forgot about those games as well after A&M beat Bama.

/For the love of God, spike the farking football!
//Sorry, I've been saying/thinking that constantly since Saturday
 
2012-12-04 08:21:10 AM  

jackiepaper: AliceBToklasLives: Serious Black: I think we should change the description of who the Heisman is awarded to. It should only be given to the player least likely to become an NFL star most outstanding QB or RB in collegiate football.

FTFY

Geno Toretta agrees


So do Troy Smith, Eric Crouch, Jason White, and Danny Wuerffel.
 
2012-12-04 08:38:34 AM  

The_Great_Hambino: I've yet to see anything like that on ESPN for Klein, Teo or any other heisman hopeful.


You obviously didn't watch the UK-ND basketball game the other night. All they did was suck his cock for the second half, and we had to endure 8 minutes of gametime with someone talking on the headset who as engaging as a brick wall (Hint: It was Teo).
 
2012-12-04 08:40:37 AM  
As a K-State fan*, I fully expect Manziel to win the Heisman and to get blown out by Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl. They're essentially a better version of the Baylor team that killed the team's title game hopes.

*They're like KU's little brother, after all
 
2012-12-04 08:42:51 AM  

Cybernetic: jackiepaper: AliceBToklasLives: Serious Black: I think we should change the description of who the Heisman is awarded to. It should only be given to the player least likely to become an NFL star most outstanding QB or RB in collegiate football.

FTFY

Geno Toretta agrees

So do Troy Smith, Eric Crouch, Jason White, and Danny Wuerffel.


Andre Ware is having quite a chuckle right now . . . .
 
2012-12-04 08:43:30 AM  

mitchalltogether: He may not deserve to win, but Teddy Bridgewater deserves at least an invite to New York.


Perhaps we should see how he'll do against a team with a winning record first?
 
2012-12-04 08:50:41 AM  
Part of the conventional wisdom of the Heisman is that you need a "Heisman moment" that will stick in voters' minds, whether it's an individual highlight (I'm convinced that Eric Crouch won the Heisman because of that halfback pass against OU) or an incredibly game. Manziel has highlights to spare and he has that win over then #1 Alabama for voters to refer to. Te'o has the interception of Landry Jones in Notre Dame's win over OU in Norman. Klein also has a win over OU in Norman, but he doesn't really have a singular "Heisman moment" play to point to (he's just too workmanlike for anything to stand out).

When you crap the bed is also important. Te'o, though he's had some anonymous games stat-wise, has an undefeated team. 'Nuff said. Manziel crapped the bed against LSU with three interceptions in a close loss; he also lost to Florida in a close game, but had no turnovers and over 250 yards of total offense. Both of those losses were against top ten teams with top ten defenses. Klein had the misfortune of crapping the bed, Spud in Trainspotting-style, against a Baylor defense that ranks 117th in points against. That's bad.

Stats also matter. Manziel set an SEC record for total offense and is currently second in the nation in total offense. Plus, he's the fifth player and first freshman to pass for 3,000 and rush for 1,000 in a season. Klein has good stats, but nothing eye-popping (he's 30th in total offense); again, he's very workmanlike. As a defender, Te'o's stats are a lot harder to quantify. He's tied for second in the nation in interceptions and is probably the best pass defending linebacker out there, but he's not in the top fifty in tackles (and his tackle numbers are down from both his sophomore and junior years) and his TFL and sack numbers are pretty anemic. That may partially be a function of how he's used in that defense (and better defenses may be reasonably assumed to create fewer opportunities for players to rack up tackles, since they likely allow fewer plays). Additionally, if you compare Te'o's stats to, say, AJ Hawk's (another great collegiate ILB), Te'o has the clear win in passes defensed and interceptions, but Hawk has big leads just about everywhere else.
 
2012-12-04 08:50:43 AM  

HBK: Haha, remember when people used to say the Big 12 wasn't very good? Then two of its middle-rung teams went to other conferences and one of those teams played in the Big 10 championship and the other team has a heisman candidate that beat the SEC's best team?

By the looks of it the Big 12 was just fine.

/ignore Colorado


You forgot Missouri.

/Doesn't help your point, so I understand
//I'm ok with this.jpg
 
2012-12-04 08:52:44 AM  

Shostie: [blog.chron.com image 600x479]

INVISIBLE FACE PUNCH!


I thought he was trying to keep the fellas away from his girlfriend, Olive Oyl.



/huk-huk-huk-huk-huk
 
2012-12-04 08:58:58 AM  
I'm sorry, but if Adrian Peterson didnt get the Heisman his freshman year because he was a freshman, this goofball shouldnt either.
 
2012-12-04 09:14:23 AM  
Can they just not give it out this year?
 
2012-12-04 09:19:50 AM  

fonebone77: I'm sorry, but if Adrian Peterson didnt get the Heisman his freshman year because he was a freshman, this goofball shouldnt either.


Neither did Herschel Walker who most people still consider the best college player. I love bringing him up to older Tennessee fans, they do not like him at all.
 
2012-12-04 09:21:28 AM  
Meanwhile Mariota has similar numbers to "Johnny Football" but only played until halftime in almost every game he played in.
 
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