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2012-12-03 11:46:38 PM  
10 votes:

Fark Me To Tears: So, Trayvon was allowed to defend himself, but Zimmerman was not? Is that the logic here?


If you have to get out of your car to "defend yourself" from a guy who is several feet away and unarmed, you're doing it wrong.
2012-12-03 10:22:11 PM  
6 votes:

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Trayvon Martin was defending himself. He had every right to stand his ground to defend himself," Crump said.

So, Trayvon was allowed to defend himself, but Zimmerman was not? Is that the logic here?


Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.
2012-12-03 11:49:49 PM  
5 votes:

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Trayvon Martin was defending himself. He had every right to stand his ground to defend himself," Crump said.

So, Trayvon was allowed to defend himself, but Zimmerman was not? Is that the logic here?


So, Zimmerman's "right to defend himself" includes stalking a black kid, losing him, searching for him, finding him again, confronting him, and then once he starts getting his ass kicked, murdering him?

Is that the logic there?
2012-12-03 11:23:08 PM  
5 votes:
A rebuttal to the picture can be found here - Link

Of note - But today's bloody photo doesn't solve the mystery of Trayvon's hands. There were "No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin" found on them.
2012-12-03 08:57:09 PM  
5 votes:
Trayvon Martin still dead.
2012-12-04 12:28:32 AM  
4 votes:
Reminds me of the Ashley Todd story. In 2008, a McCain campaign volunteer claimed she was attacked by a Obama supporter, in which he supposedly robbed her, carved a backward letter 'B' on her face, and blacked her eyes. It turned out to be total bullshiat. She had carved the B on her face herself. It didn't say what she did to blacken her eyes, but she did that also.

Young Republican who claimed Obama supporter carved letter 'B' on her face during robbery made the story up, police say

Trayvon's autopsy report completely refutes what George Zimmernan claims to have happened.

Link

Link

So, you've just killed a kid that you have been chasing. The one that the person on the 911 call told you to quit following. You have to somehow say it was self-defense, or you are going to prison, maybe even face the death penalty. What to do?

A person looking at that would probably be highly motivated to try to provide some type of evidence that he shot in self-defense. Maybe lay down on the sidewalk and slam his head back a few times. Get a nearby rock or other object and hits himself hard on the nose.

Problem is, just like the girl who claimed she was jumped by a Obama supporter, when you look at the evidence and the science, it's not adding up.
2012-12-04 12:10:02 AM  
4 votes:

violentsalvation: To repeat what has been said a million times, and should be obvious to anyone who has payed any attention to the case, Trayvon stood his ground.


Attacking someone who asked you a quetion is assault. Slamming their face into concrete is attempted murder. Using violence on a person asking you a question is not defense. It's thuggery.
2012-12-03 11:52:16 PM  
4 votes:

Tryfan: Martin DIDN'T assault him. He defended himself from a stalker.


Zimmerman has a different story in which he was the one attacked. Without seeing all the evidence unfiltered by the press, there's no way to make an assessment right now. That's the purpose the trial will serve.
2012-12-03 11:51:13 PM  
4 votes:

Mr. Eugenides: borg: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.

I shouldn't let myself get sucked into this, but since you seem to have some sort of oracular knowledge here, what exactly was Zimmerman's aggressive act that caused Martin to defend himself?


Following Mister Martin for several blocks and getting out of his car and confronting Martin with a gun.
2012-12-03 11:06:59 PM  
4 votes:
In the name of parity, I feel the family of Trayvon Martin should release a few bloody photos from that fateful night. Seriously, if a stranger jump out of a car, confronts me, and follows a course of actions that results in him gunning me down in the middle of the street, the least I could do is break his nose. It's still a question of who threw the first punch, as well as who committed the first truly threatening action. Contrary to what many backing Zimmerman believe, a person walking down your street does not present a threat. But given those initial conditions and considering that Zimmerman presented himself in a way that would make ME feel threatened while minding my business on residential street, only to shoot someone later, I can only conclude he should've had some injuries. Trayvon Martin became the aggressor? Injuries. Zimmerman follows through on the earlier known confrontational behavior to the point that Martin felt threatened and took action? Injuries. Zimmerman threw the first punch, and Martin punched back? More injuries.

I'm having a hard time figuring out what they hope to prove unless the argument is, no matter what Zimmerman might have contributed to a bad situation (even as the initiator of the conflict and the only adult in the situation), if Martin laid a finger on him, he deserved it. Martin apparently didn't have a right to stand his own ground. Then, considering that Zimmerman is the one that's still breathing, I'm even getting visuals from the 1950s. After brutally murdering Emmett Till, Roy Bryant and his accomplices present pictures of their bloody knuckles, bruised forearms, and scratched facing, saying, "That little boy was asking for it!" That's if they hadn't blamed Till for the theft of the cotton gin fan used to weigh his body down. Seriously, after beating and murdering a kid, the only thing they were worried about was being arrested for stealing a piece of machinery.
2012-12-04 02:27:44 AM  
3 votes:

Generation_D: I'm having a hard time figuring out what they hope to prove unless the argument is, no matter what Zimmerman might have contributed to a bad situation (even as the initiator of the conflict and the only adult in the situation)

He was black, Zimmerman shot him, and the gun recoiled hitting him in the face, causing a slight nosebleed. The important thing was Zimmerman shot a black man in cold blood. Once you realize that, all the internet tough guy excuses all start to make sense.


And a broken farking nose?! Look at that photo again - motherfarker's nose is broken!

Now, I have fired every gun there is. The only one that had enough recoil to make me think twice was a .357 handcannon my granddad had me fire when I was TWELVE. Because I had a proper grip, the recoil sent my spindly little twelve year old arms up over my head. The second time I fired, I was better prepared and the recoil only took my arms up about six inches. No other weapon I have ever fired - including a Desert Eagle - has ever done that since. Assuming that since Zimmerman had a concealed-carry license and was former military, he had at least some small idea how to handle a pistol, and was not doing the gangbanger Hollywood special, it's highly unlikely the recoil caused that shiat.

Having said that, I wasn't there to witness whether there was a fistfight between Zimmerman and Martin or Zimmerman's injuries were caused by other means, but rather than villify either man while this plays out in the media, I think I'll wait for the trial and see what the actual evidence is. I do find it terribly interesting, though, that the press runs headlines like "Bloody new photo of Trayvon Martin's killer released" rather than the more neutral and less prejudicial and inflammatory "New evidence/photo in Zimmerman case released." It's almost as if they've come to a conclusion based on the race of the two men involved! Don't know about FL, but around here, blacks and Mexicans are very much racist towards each other - more so than either are towards whites, and far, FAR more than whites are towards either group. It's been that way most places I've lived. You think maybe the press could be race baiting a little bit?

You think maybe some people are so eager to be "socially just" that they don't give a fark about the circumstances, they only care about "OMG, he had a guy and shot a black kid!"

Zimmerman had a gun (legally licensed and registered), was part of a neighborhood watch, and saw a guy he didn't recognize late at night in the neighborhood (he didn't give the guy's color until ASKED BY THE 911 DISPATCHER, despite what the doctored audio tapes stated. Several people were disciplined for that doctored audio tape)? News flash -- I was out smoking last night at 1 am, saw a black teenager in a hoodie that I didn't recognize as belonging in the neighborhood walking down the street, and I kept my eye on him until he was out of the neighborhood. I've done the same thing to white teenagers in hoodies at 1am who don't belong in the neighborhood. Get a farking grip and wait for the actual evidence, not the bullshiat the press spoonfeeds you. I swear, if 90% of you were in the courtroom, the trial would be more like "bring the guilty son of a biatch in here and let's give him a fair trial" than an actual court proceeding. I pray none of you ever needs a fair trial because karma is a real biatch.
2012-12-04 01:39:53 AM  
3 votes:
Oh, what if.............!

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2012-12-04 12:21:48 AM  
3 votes:
As far as I'm concerned, it does not matter one lick who started the altercation. Martin was unarmed. Zimmerman escalated what could have been nothing more than a fistfight by pulling out a firearm. Too many people with guns in this country have no self-control and would rather take someones life than just take getting beaten up like a man.
2012-12-04 12:07:09 AM  
3 votes:
Walking up to someone and asking what they're doing in no way justifies getting beat up. Trayvon jumped the gun and paid the price for it. He could have said "hey stay away!" or anything verbal to diffuse a situation but instead chose to attack. That's not self defense. You can't sanely argue that.

/bring on the racism.
2012-12-03 11:54:27 PM  
3 votes:

skandalus: In the name of parity, I feel the family of Trayvon Martin should release a few bloody photos from that fateful night. Seriously, if a stranger jump out of a car, confronts me, and follows a course of actions that results in him gunning me down in the middle of the street, the least I could do is break his nose. It's still a question of who threw the first punch, as well as who committed the first truly threatening action. Contrary to what many backing Zimmerman believe, a person walking down your street does not present a threat. But given those initial conditions and considering that Zimmerman presented himself in a way that would make ME feel threatened while minding my business on residential street, only to shoot someone later, I can only conclude he should've had some injuries. Trayvon Martin became the aggressor? Injuries. Zimmerman follows through on the earlier known confrontational behavior to the point that Martin felt threatened and took action? Injuries. Zimmerman threw the first punch, and Martin punched back? More injuries.

I'm having a hard time figuring out what they hope to prove unless the argument is, no matter what Zimmerman might have contributed to a bad situation (even as the initiator of the conflict and the only adult in the situation), if Martin laid a finger on him, he deserved it. Martin apparently didn't have a right to stand his own ground. Then, considering that Zimmerman is the one that's still breathing, I'm even getting visuals from the 1950s. After brutally murdering Emmett Till, Roy Bryant and his accomplices present pictures of their bloody knuckles, bruised forearms, and scratched facing, saying, "That little boy was asking for it!" That's if they hadn't blamed Till for the theft of the cotton gin fan used to weigh his body down. Seriously, after beating and murdering a kid, the only thing they were worried about was being arrested for stealing a piece of machinery.


Martin ran from Zimmerman, Zimmerman told the 911 operator he lost him, the operator asks if he's going to be waiting where he currently is for the officer, he says, "no have him call me when he gets here." The next thing that happens is that Martin is dead. If you're still trying to figure out who the aggressor is, you're an idiot. Sorry, that's the only explanation. You aren't defending yourself of standing your ground when you're actively searching for and confronting someone by your own recorded admission.
2012-12-03 11:50:06 PM  
3 votes:
Probably the only other pile of feathers on the Internet that can give the GOP's treatment of Obama's birth certificate a run for its money.
2012-12-03 11:48:58 PM  
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I still remember when the first grainy photo of Zimmerman at the police station was released and the internet mob was up in arms saying that it proved that Martin hadn't assaulted him.


Martin didn't assault him. Zimmerman shot an unarmed guy who was minding his own business on a public street, probably injured himself in the process, and is now continuing to attempt to lawyer the case in the media.

Putzes, racists and asswits are helping him.
2012-12-03 11:43:50 PM  
3 votes:
Martin DIDN'T assault him. He defended himself from a stalker.
2012-12-03 11:32:25 PM  
3 votes:
To repeat what has been said a million times, and should be obvious to anyone who has payed any attention to the case, Trayvon stood his ground.
2012-12-03 09:19:30 PM  
3 votes:
I will need more than 8 and less than 10 beers to deal with this thread.
2012-12-04 12:37:04 PM  
2 votes:

jafiwam: You were saying?


Wow, that is some serious bullshiat there.

Let's take a look at it:

- organized neighborhood fights - Zero proof.
- took a swing (and connected) with an adult bus driver - Zero proof.
- got caught with burglar tools - A single screwdriver now equals burglar tools? And how does that prove aggression and violence?
- sullied up twitter and facebook with thuggish shiat - And how does that prove aggression and violence?
- got caught with drugs at school, twice - And how does that prove aggression and violence?
- is on record on twitter organizing a drug deal - And how does that prove aggression and violence?
- is on video at the store buying watermelon iced tea, and attempting to buy cough syrup to make "purple drank" (a drug that can cause extra aggressiveness) - Total made up bullshiat
- ignores his girlfriends pleas not to start a fight - Zero proof
- starts a fight - Zero Proof

Well, I feel dirty just having to wade through your BS.

Now, let's take a look at Zimmerman:
- organized action against the Samford PD for beating up a homeless black man - How does that prove he is not a violent person?
- mentored black kids - How does that prove he is not a violent person?
- fought off a random guy in a bar who turned out to be an asshole police officer that didn't identify himself before assaulting bar patrons - The officer testified that he told Zimmerman he was an office to which Zimmerman relied "I don't care who you are". This is on record. Not made up BS. As a result Zimmerman was required by the court to take anger management classes.
- tried to clean up his neighborhood - Yes, by shooting and killing an unarmed resident.
- ends a fight, righteously I might add. - Yes, by shooting and killing an unarmed resident.

Now, let's talk about what you left off.
Zimmerman assaulted his GF, twice. Again, there are police record to prove this, not made up BS that you love so much.
This is what a co-worker had to say about him; "Usually he was just a cool guy," said the former co-worker,.. "But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When dude snapped, he snapped." "One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted," he said. "It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out."
And there is the the motorist that Zimmerman was so aggressive with the man feared that Zimmerman was going to attack him. Again, there are police records of this incident.
And there is the resident that had called the police due to Zimmerman's aggression.
And there is the co worker that said that "Zimmerman singled him out because he was Middle Eastern, calling him a "farking moron" and mocking him with the voice of "Achmed the terrorist." He said Zimmerman would also tell stories and make jokes about "bombing" and other "Middle Eastern stuff."
And there is the fact he shot and killed an unarmed person that had ever legal right to be where he was.

A real angel that Zimmerman.
2012-12-04 08:46:38 AM  
2 votes:

hdhale: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.

We don't know that Martin was doing that at that point. There's lots of holes here and depending upon how you fill in the blanks, you end up with two completely different answers.


My initial thoughts on this case were, based upon early reporting, that a Mall Ninja wannabe shot some kid in cold blood.

Then that narrative started falling apart:

1. The initial photos of Zimmerman and Martin used by the press gave an extremely distorted view of their relative ages and sizes. Initial advantage: Martin.

2. The alleged use of the words "farkin' coons" by Zimmerman in his call with the police dispatcher that proved to be false. Initial advantage: Martin

3. The selective editing of that call by some in the news media to make Zimmerman appear to be a racist. Initial advantage: Martin.

4. The release of very low quality video and still photos which were alleged to show that Zimmerman hadn't been injured, which subsequent higher quality images (like this one) showed to be false. Initial advantage: Martin.

5. The allegation that the screaming heard on the 9/11 call was Trayvon based upon pseudoscience, and in direct contravention to eyewitness accounts. Initial advantage: Martin.

6. The claim that Martin had been suspended from school for 10 days for "being in an unauthorized area", when it turned out that it was for possession of trace amounts of marijuana. Initial advantage: Martin.

7. The false story that Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in a year, when in fact it was over the span of 10 years. Initial advantage: Martin.

I could go on with more examples, but it seems like every time there is an allegation or circumstance that favors Martin as being the completely innocent victim of an unprovoked attack, it is later proved to be outright false, or a significant distortion. On the other hand, no one has come up with any convincing evidence that disproves Zimmerman's story about the incident, and nothing he has claimed in his testimony to the police has been proven to be false.

So, if all the initial advantages fall on one side, and they are all later shown to be false or significant distortions, at some point you *HAVE* to be skeptical of the narrative that Martin had zero responsibility for his own death.

My person thoughts are this: Martin may or may not have been "up to no good" that night. That, however, is completely irrelevant. What matters is what happened when they crossed paths that last time. I suspect that Martin, being 17 years old and in good shape, saw this guy who was following him who was shorter and pudgier, and decided that he wasn't going to take any shiat from him. I had a similar attitude when I was that age, I like to call it "testosterone poisoning", and it's a very common attribute among young males (that's why the military likes to enlist people at that age). Zimmerman was armed, and Zimmerman obviously knew that, but Martin didn't because Zimmerman was carrying concealed. We don't know who threw the first punch, but it's irrelevant for self-defense purposes: Even if you start a fight, if you retreat, or if you *CAN'T* retreat, you can still use deadly force to defend yourself. This is true even in jurisdictions where you have a duty to retreat. Martin was on top of Zimmerman, preventing him from escaping, and beating him hard enough to cause a number of injuries (as confirmed by eyewitness testimony and physical evidence).
2012-12-04 01:30:44 AM  
2 votes:

mediablitz: No DNA from Zimmerman on Martin's hands. Martin's arms UNDER his body when the cops arrived.


Yeah, no one that has just been shot in the front has ever put their hands near the wound, then fallen on them. Great detectiving.

BronyMedic: So what Florida Statute allows someone, who is not a law enforcement officer, not on his own property to pursue someone running from him?


Even better: What law forbids it?
2012-12-04 01:01:40 AM  
2 votes:

Karma Curmudgeon: Martins guts being splayed in every direction


This did not happen. You watch too many movies.
2012-12-04 12:54:04 AM  
2 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: I see the "Trayvon was a n*gger thug who deserved to be executed" crowd is out and about, and they're just as farktarded as ever.


It's called lithium. When you hear things that aren't being said and seeing things not actually posted, it's a disturbing sign of a serious illness. Seek help.

Kudos to you for taking a stand against something that hasn't actually happened.
2012-12-04 12:49:51 AM  
2 votes:
to the people in this thread:

if you have more loyalty to your race than you do to law and justice then you are part of the problem.
2012-12-04 12:45:56 AM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Or it could be the fact that his story doesn't add up given the evidence...


First, I recommend you actually read the evidence. What you believe happened has no legal weight. There's nothing he said that was contradictory. A lot of the things that Trayvon supporters say he said is damning... but lucky for Zimmerman, they also have no weight against what actually happened.

BronyMedic: that he was never as badly injured as he claimed (Oh, I can't wait for the EMS field report to come out at trial.)


Cuts to the back of the head and injuries to the face. I guess you don't know that a person doesn't actually have to wait for serious bodily harm to defend themselves. Oh, I know... right now you're cursing that tricky George Zimmerman for using his hispano-black-jew magic to trick poor Trayvon into knocking him onto the ground and striking him.

As long as the EMS field report is in concurrence with the facts that establish Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman striking him in the face against a hard surface... you have nothing. NOTHING. Now if that field report says that Zimmerman used that hispano-black-jew voodoo to conjure up facial injuries that can't be explained by his story (the one that has not deviated from the original story he told) then you have something.

BronyMedic: that he repeatedly disobeyed someone giving him advice to say in his vehicle and not pursue someone on foot


Here's some advice, don't walk down dark alleys. Now if you should disobey my advice you must accept any negative consequences.

Advice is advice... no weight.

BronyMedic: Or it could also be the fact that Zimmerman was known as someone who had anger management, and authority issues, and fancied himself a wannabe cop.


And? Is that gonna get Joe Biden a Trans-Am? Yea, you go and try to run a prosecution based solely on character arguments.

"Your honor, I know we have no evidence this man is guilty of the crime...but look at him! He's clearly an asshole! C'mon! C'mon... let's teach this asshole a lesson. The prosecution rests."
2012-12-04 12:41:27 AM  
2 votes:
When all is said and done, this will result in a riot because of the Not Guilty verdict.
2012-12-04 12:36:36 AM  
2 votes:
So, here's what I've got so far:

1) Zimmerman decides to stand up and take responsibility to stop crime in his neighborhood.

2) He sees a suspicious character. Gets on the phone with the cops, asking them to send out the cops.

3) Zimmerman is pretty sure this guy may well be one of those responsible for a string of crimes in his neighborhood, and sees him getting away. He gets out on foot to follow the guy so the cops will be able to find the guy.

4) Martin is on the phone with his girlfriend. He sees this guy who's taking an undue interest in him. He decides to try and shake the tail.

5) They stumble into each other. Zimmerman sees the physically fit Martin but feels emboldened by his pistol. Martin doesn't know exactly what to make of Zimmerman.

6) Speculative Scenario 1:
Zimmerman: "What are you doing here?"
Martin, thinking the best defense is a good offense, takes a swing. Fight breaks out.

Speculative Scenario 2:
Martin, startled, thinks the best defense is a good offense, attacks. Fight breaks out.

Speculative Scenario 3:
Zimmerman, startled, attacks Martin. Fight breaks out.

7) Conclusion: I think the bottom line is that Zimmerman had no intent to shoot Martin when he got out of his vehicle. I think it's probably true that Zimmerman was mouthier and bolder than he would have been without the gun. And I think Martin probably thought the best defense was a good offense.
2012-12-04 12:31:50 AM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Or it could be the fact that his story doesn't add up given the evidence, that he was never as badly injured as he claimed (Oh, I can't wait for the EMS field report to come out at trial.),


The broken nose(hospital records, not just an EMT report) is in the record. I guess it could be a conspiracy. Yeah, go with that.
2012-12-04 12:26:58 AM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: All you Trayvon supporters ONLY support him because he was a black youth killed by a non-black. You don't give a damn about black kids killed by other black kids. You don't care about anything except what you can latch onto to make YOURSELVES look good. This is why the majority of people laugh at you moronic Social Justice Warriors. Your lives are pathetic and you need something to make it worthwhile. Just do the damn dishes and visit grandma at the rest home and stop latching onto the flavor of the month.


Or it could be the fact that his story doesn't add up given the evidence, that he was never as badly injured as he claimed (Oh, I can't wait for the EMS field report to come out at trial.), that he repeatedly disobeyed someone giving him advice to say in his vehicle and not pursue someone on foot, and that now one person is dead, and the other person is in a situation where it's his story as the only narrative of what happened.

Or it could also be the fact that Zimmerman was known as someone who had anger management, and authority issues, and fancied himself a wannabe cop.
2012-12-04 12:26:32 AM  
2 votes:

Esroc: As far as I'm concerned, it does not matter one lick who started the altercation. Martin was unarmed. Zimmerman escalated what could have been nothing more than a fistfight by pulling out a firearm. Too many people with guns in this country have no self-control and would rather take someones life than just take getting beaten up like a man.


Well, Zimmerman was an overzealous mall cop wannabe. Odds are he already had some inadequacy issues, and thus, needed a gun to go from a gated community to the grocery store and back.
2012-12-04 12:19:06 AM  
2 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: The tomato is a vegetable that has many uses in various recipes, most notably Italian.


The tomato is a goddamn FRUIT, motherfarker. Its a modified ovary. If it makes seeds, its a fruit.

/just trying to raise the thread pressure here
2012-12-04 12:17:51 AM  
2 votes:
Double down Trayvon supporters.

Christ, do you morons listen to yourselves or is this retardation a god-given talent?

All you Trayvon supporters ONLY support him because he was a black youth killed by a non-black. You don't give a damn about black kids killed by other black kids. You don't care about anything except what you can latch onto to make YOURSELVES look good. This is why the majority of people laugh at you moronic Social Justice Warriors. Your lives are pathetic and you need something to make it worthwhile. Just do the damn dishes and visit grandma at the rest home and stop latching onto the flavor of the month.


lohphat: Why didn't he have that bloody and swollen nose in the police station video taken the same night?


Oh yea... that low resolution grainy video... why couldn't we see it!!!??? Please, you make birthers look respectable when you latch onto that.

BronyMedic: Police Evidence Photo taken that same night, two hours later:

i.huffpost.com

SO THAT'S WHY GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS BEING PERSECUTED SO MUCH! HE'S REALLY THE LORD JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND COMING. LOOK AT THOSE MIRACULOUS HEALING POWERS!


Maybe you should do a research paper on how cleaning away blood and applying a cold pack can reduce swelling and ameliorate minor to moderate damage. It'll revolutionize medicine.
2012-12-04 12:16:31 AM  
2 votes:

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: violentsalvation: To repeat what has been said a million times, and should be obvious to anyone who has payed any attention to the case, Trayvon stood his ground.

Attacking someone who asked you a quetion is assault. Slamming their face into concrete is attempted murder. Using violence on a person asking you a question is not defense. It's thuggery.


According to Zimmerman he didn't ask him a question. According to Zimmerman he never confronted him. According to Zimmerman, Trayvon attacked him from behind while he was looking at street signs trying to figure out what street he was on.

Now even you don't seem to think that Zimmerman's explanation of events isn't believable. So why would Zimmerman lie if all he did was politely walk up to Trayvon and ask him what he was doing? Because it is more plausible that after following Trayvon, Trayvon ran and Zimmerman got out of his car and ran after him and was able to cut him off because Trayvon had stopped running once he saw Zimmerman wasn't behind him anymore. That isn't asking somebody a question.
2012-12-04 12:13:20 AM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Popcorn Johnny: I still remember when the first grainy photo of Zimmerman at the police station was released and the internet mob was up in arms saying that it proved that Martin hadn't assaulted him.

Actually, all this proves is that he had a broken nose. And that he hadn't washed his face like he had in the shot the police took for evidence the night he shot Martin.

For your comparison:

[i.huffpost.com image 664x1000]

All this means is that Zimmerman had a broken nose, the above picture shows that was clearly not as bad as this picture portrays it as, since they were both taken the same night. It also doesn't mean anything in terms of explaining what happened, or why Treyvon Martin is dead. Since what happened that night is pretty much dependent on what Zimmerman is claiming it was, all this is is an emotional appeal using a face with blood on it.


That's not even a broken nose. Or if it is, the man has "Wolverine" level healing abilities.

I've broken my nose (and seen a friend's nose broken). When it breaks, there's a LOT more blood. Also, there should be much more swelling than what you see in the photo taken two hours later. I don't know if it would show up within two hours, but I do recall something almost like "black eyes" developing afterward, as well.

In any case, from the looks of that photo, he doesn't look like someone who's nose has been broken.
2012-12-04 12:11:31 AM  
2 votes:
Zimmerman was initially just following Martin but it devolved into stalking, and Zimmerman was told by dispatchers to not pursue Martin, but to instead wait for the police. Zimmerman is the aggressor because he was being a stalker and confronted Martin. If a guy was following me around in his truck and then on foot and started interrogating me, I'd feel threatened too.

Whether or not the kid physically struck first or Zimmerman was in mortal danger from the fight, Zimmerman was the first one being aggressive in his behavior. It was Martin who lost the fight, but Zimmerman who really triggered the fight.

Had Zimmerman followed the dispatcher's instructions and waited for the police to arrive, Martin would probably be alive still, Zimmerman would feel a bit stupid because he would find out he'd been following a kid with Skittles and tea, but no one would be hurt. Zimmerman might still be up on stalking charges, but certainly not murder.

Stalking is hostile behavior.
2012-12-04 12:11:01 AM  
2 votes:

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Walking up to someone and asking what they're doing in no way justifies getting beat up. Trayvon jumped the gun and paid the price for it. He could have said "hey stay away!" or anything verbal to diffuse a situation but instead chose to attack. That's not self defense. You can't sanely argue that.

/bring on the racism.


This.

I don't even have the energy to argue with these fools anymore though. They are willfully ignorant about the case, and continue to use the narrative that Jesse Jackson told them to use 8 months ago.
2012-12-04 12:09:44 AM  
2 votes:
What impresses me is that so many people here have all the facts.

Why aren't you down there helping? I would imagine one or the other party would benefit from your knowledge...
2012-12-04 12:05:10 AM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Mr. Eugenides: borg: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.

I shouldn't let myself get sucked into this, but since you seem to have some sort of oracular knowledge here, what exactly was Zimmerman's aggressive act that caused Martin to defend himself?


He was WHITE!

If that isn't aggressive, I don't know what is.


And, y'know, he got out of his car to deliberately pursue an unarmed teenager, against the 911 dispatcher's advice. But I'm sure Trayvon just ambushed and assaulted the armed jackass for no good reason. It's not like Zimmerman had a history of aggression issues and paranoia regarding black people or anything.
2012-12-03 11:57:44 PM  
2 votes:

Mr. Eugenides: borg: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.

I shouldn't let myself get sucked into this, but since you seem to have some sort of oracular knowledge here, what exactly was Zimmerman's aggressive act that caused Martin to defend himself?


Stalking. Zimmerman admits Martin ran away and he lost him, what part of oops the kid who I told you ran away from me is now dead by my hands?
2012-12-03 11:57:11 PM  
2 votes:
And btw, if that guy was chasing me for no apparent reason, id stop and kick his ass also. I hope the bastard rots in prison in between anal assaults.
2012-12-03 11:54:05 PM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Clearly self-inflicted.

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Gun recoil. Or the kid hit him in the face, after he confronted him for no reason for minding his own business on a city public street.

Nothing changes the fact the idiot in the SUV gets out of his vehicle to confront the minor who is minding his own business on a public street.

The rest of this is internet tough guy noise and bullsh*t the right wing keeps fanning the flames with.
2012-12-03 11:52:36 PM  
2 votes:

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Trayvon Martin was defending himself. He had every right to stand his ground to defend himself," Crump said.

So, Trayvon was allowed to defend himself, but Zimmerman was not? Is that the logic here?


No, the only logic needed here is knowing that a boy was KILLED for walking though a neighborhood. Does a bloody nose change that? You sir have a twisted sense of "logic".
2012-12-03 11:50:20 PM  
2 votes:

super_grass: Generation_D: I'm having a hard time figuring out what they hope to prove unless the argument is, no matter what Zimmerman might have contributed to a bad situation (even as the initiator of the conflict and the only adult in the situation)

He was black, Zimmerman shot him, and the gun recoiled hitting him in the face, causing a slight nosebleed. The important thing was Zimmerman shot a black man in cold blood. Once you realize that, all the internet tough guy excuses all start to make sense.

I can count up to around 4 [citation needed]s in your post.

Can you find them all?


1) An unarmed man was shot by an armed man for walking on a city street. Had Zimmerman remained in his vehicle there would have been no incident, or police could have arrived to make a professional determination.

What else do you need here, except the fact there is an internet tough guy on the loose white knighting against the victim of a murder?
2012-12-03 11:49:29 PM  
2 votes:
Why didn't he have that bloody and swollen nose in the police station video taken the same night?
2012-12-03 11:47:30 PM  
2 votes:
I'm having a hard time figuring out what they hope to prove unless the argument is, no matter what Zimmerman might have contributed to a bad situation (even as the initiator of the conflict and the only adult in the situation)

He was black, Zimmerman shot him, and the gun recoiled hitting him in the face, causing a slight nosebleed. The important thing was Zimmerman shot a black man in cold blood. Once you realize that, all the internet tough guy excuses all start to make sense.
2012-12-03 10:01:56 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA: "Trayvon Martin was defending himself. He had every right to stand his ground to defend himself," Crump said.

So, Trayvon was allowed to defend himself, but Zimmerman was not? Is that the logic here?
2012-12-03 09:04:22 PM  
2 votes:

edmo: Trayvon Martin still dead.


Totally different with him, he didn't have the right to defend himself. Plus he had Skittles and once tweeted about Marijuana
2012-12-06 05:13:41 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: NightOwl2255: dittybopper: I'm inclined to give more weight to the one I linked to

Of course, it fits you narrative of Martin "towering" over poor, tiny Zimmerman. Because 6'2" over 5"7" is the exact same thing as 5'11" over 5'9".
Let's see, you have an armed 28 year old, 5'7" to 5'9" tall man that was determined not to let this asshole get away and a 17 year old, 5'11", unarmed, kid that was walking home from the store. Yet you insist that due to the fact of a 2-4 inch height difference Zimmerman would have been knee-knocking scared of Martin. Seems legit.

So you are saying that it's impossible that Martin, seeing a guy 3 inches shorter than him, and pudgier, didn't say "Hey, this asshole has been following me, I'm going to teach him a lesson"?

In the end though, we *KNOW* Martin had the upper hand physically: He had Zimmerman on the ground, and he broke his nose, split open the skin on the back of his head, and caused other injuries.

This is confirmed by photos of Zimmerman taken immediately after the incident, a doctors examination the next day, eyewitness testimony, and other physical evidence (like the back of Zimmerman's jacket being wet from the grass).

According to the coroner's report, the only injuries Martin sustained other than the gunshot wound was a small abrasion to one of his fingers.

Regardless of height differential, Martin was beating Zimmerman up, and it was apparent that Zimmerman couldn't escape, because Martin was on top of him. This is indisputable, based upon all the evidence. Martin was physically dominating Zimmerman so effectively that Zimmerman didn't even noticeably injure Martin (prior to shooting him, of course).

It doesn't matter who threw the first punch, either: In every state, even those where you have a duty to retreat, if you can't retreat at all, even if you started the altercation, if you are in fear of your life, you can use deadly force. Here is the actual Florida Statute on this subject:

776.041Use of force by ...


What those "Severe Injuries" actually look like once you take a kleenex to them:

www.wtsp.com

Say he's injured. Fine. Those aren't severe injuries. That's a nosebleed.
2012-12-04 11:51:04 PM  
1 votes:

arentol: What happened after that is entirely uncorroborated. Literally all we have is Zimmerman's statement


The burden is on the prosecution to disprove self-defense.

Therefore, in the absence of sufficient evidence to disprove a claim of self-defense (as here, which, as you said, is a case where there is no evidence of who initiated physical contact), a defendant must not only be acquitted, but the case must be dismissed. In such cases where the evidence to rebut a claim of self-defense is inconclusive, a person claiming self-defense cannot even be tried.

I know this is frustrating for you. I know it will drive you crazy. I know you will become jaded and cynical as a result of having to confront the fact that Anglo-American law works this way. It will seem an outrage and profound injustice that a person in a two-man confrontation can kill the best witness who could have rebutted the shooter's claim of self-defense, and in so doing eliminate the very evidence that could have been used to convict him.

But you're just going to have to suck on it, because that's the way it is.
2012-12-04 11:40:55 PM  
1 votes:
Did they ever figure out who owned the 12 pieces of women's jewelry that campus guards found in Trayvon Martin's backpack?

You know, the 12 pieces of women's jewelry that he said he was "holding for a friend," the one he refused to identify?

Just wondering.

I don't know about any of you, but when I was in school, male teenagers walked around with 12 pieces of women's jewelry of undetermined provenance in their backpacks, like, all the time.
2012-12-04 11:33:58 PM  
1 votes:

BuckTurgidson: What do you expect from skulking around your gated community playing Batman stalking strangers based on their race?

Rot in prison, hero.



It's a bit late in the thread for trolling, don't you think, Buck?
2012-12-04 10:17:35 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: dittybopper: No it doesn't.

The Sanford Police report from the shooting. It list Zimmerman's height as 5'9"


As I pointed out, that same night they also reported his height as 5'7".

I'm inclined to give more weight to the one I linked to, because it's more complete, and yours seems to be a preliminary report. The one you linked to said "PARTIAL REPORT ONLY", the one I linked to is the actual complete "OFFENSE REPORT".

As for the weight, my wife weighs more than I do. What is your point? My brother-in-law is taller, lighter, and younger than I am. He could kick my ass if he were so inclined.
2012-12-04 04:50:24 PM  
1 votes:
Another fact is that not one of the witness testimonies are contrary to Zimmerman's version of events.

But the race card players hate facts, so they ignore that entirely and imagine their own scenarios where they can feel like an innocent child was murdered. Sad really.
2012-12-04 02:12:37 PM  
1 votes:

kisseswookies: holy crap! There are a lot of crazies here.

George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin. All you people screaming "innocent until proven guilty! !! 1" have to remember that he IS guilty. He DID kill that kid. Now it's up to him to convince us it was necessary.

/what do you mean "you people"??


No. It is not disputed that he shot and killed Martin. It is up to the State of Florida to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killing was unlawful.
2012-12-04 01:59:01 PM  
1 votes:

squirrelflavoredyogurt: No need, you see Florida also has stalking laws


Which you don't understand, or you wouldn't bring them up.
2012-12-04 12:01:23 PM  
1 votes:
We need more Zimmermans.

He did the right thing, put down a nasty punk who would have just got worse with time. No_Limit brutally attacked someone because he thought he was gangsta. He lost. Woot.

Liberals hate it because it shows that their chosen race is actually pretty violent, which statistics back up big time. You are wrong. Sorry guys.
2012-12-04 10:37:37 AM  
1 votes:

occamswrist: Treyvon saw Zimmerman was following him, ran around a corner, and hid.


Why?

When you look at the Google map of the neighborhood and the position of Zimmerman's vehicle, the house where Martin was staying (Brandy Green's residence) and where Zimmerman was when he finished the 911 call, would Martin have not gone back to the house and instead 'hid'?

Zimmerman's route east would not have intersected Martin's path to Green's townhouse. The only way they cross paths from where Zimmerman finishes his 911 call and turns around to head west back to his truck is if Martin is moving away from Green's house and toward Zimmerman.
2012-12-04 09:04:25 AM  
1 votes:

Eve L. Koont: I don't agree. Zimmerman was playing cop and with his behavior then and in the past, something like this was bound to happen. He wanted to play hero and it took him killing an innocent 17 year old kid to play out his fantasy.
So an innocent kid had to pay with his life because Zimmerman has major issues and wanted to play hero and live out a fantasy in his own mind? Seriously?


Eve L. Koont: How the holy fark do you know that that's what happened???


Go on, answer the question.
2012-12-04 08:02:46 AM  
1 votes:
There never was a good case to build against Zimmerman.

The only thing the picture does is wreck the foolish assumptions of all the race-baiter believers and other droolers.

Which is why the fark-brigade is all stirred up by it.

Zimmerman will walk. I doubt there will even be one day of trial. There will be black riots of course, there always is... but then THIS will happen again.

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And it won't just be Saint Tray Tray the Angelic that dies. It'll be baby-mommas and memaws and guys just trying to get to work.

So keep squabbling you fools, you are just loading more powder into your own petard.
2012-12-04 07:28:11 AM  
1 votes:
This guy was pronounced guilty by Fark months ago. Why hasn't he been executed already?
2012-12-04 03:22:14 AM  
1 votes:
This is funny. The gz is innocent team argues that the facts are facts. The tway team argues that vague speculation trumps facts therefore racism. Hilarious.
2012-12-04 01:36:29 AM  
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: won't tell the truth


...about some other shiat, we can assume what we want!

fair enough.

BronyMedic: He had no legal right to pursue someone


No, the point was that there is no law preventing him from having done so, therefore, he has the right to follow someone. I mean, the dispatcher DID ask him to observe and report any changes in Trayvon's actions/location. Maybe if the dispatcher had EVER been clear on exactly what they wanted George to do....
2012-12-04 01:23:39 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Karma Curmudgeon: Amos Quito: He put a slug in a thug who was trying to beat his brains out.

Amos Quito: You underestimate the orgasmic pleasure that asshat doo-gooders derive from calling someone else racists "racist".

/if the hoodie fits...


FTFY


//also, read NextChapter's links and learn something like how does the Martin's DNA not be on the weapon fired at point blank with Martin on top of Zimmerman? Not logical.


Why SHOULD it be logical that Martin's DNA would be on the gun? Was he naked?

No, he was clothed - wearing a HOODIE (among other things). Consider the laws of physics and get back to us. 


something something CROSS BURNING something


I think I see where you're coming from.

Thanks for that.


Why don't you actually READ the links before posting?! It might bring you half a step up from the 'DumbAss' category.

"Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear sight and the hammer."

The DNA evidence released by the prosecution two weeks ago revealed that Trayvon's DNA was not on Zimmerman's gun


If you have a rat's ass knowledge of science, in any shape, form or fashion, you might realize that if you have grabbed a gun so hard, that the other guy is stating, "Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun." You are going to have epithelial cells left behind on the gun. So, one more time, let's try this:

Zimmerman's statement, and what the evidence shows.
2012-12-04 01:11:50 AM  
1 votes:
It will heal. Let's compare it to photos after he's had medical treatment. Nothing to see here. Proves nothing. He should toughen up. He had it coming.

i48.tinypic.com
2012-12-04 01:10:24 AM  
1 votes:

UCFRoadWarrior: Hilarious to see all the Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals spin this for their hero Trayvon Martin. What a bunch of Hypocrites

If Trayvon Martin was white...the same Racists/WGLs would be cheering Zimmerman for capping TMs arse.

Just a matter of time before this case is tossed out of court...or the prosecution drops the case. You cannot convict someone just on the racist rantings of Al Sharpton and the New Black KKK...er New Black Panthers.

Or are the prosecutors that dumb to put Chris Serino and "Dee Dee" on the stand? This will be fun


Okay. Your race baiting is noted. Now you can log in as DancingElkCondor and post the exact same thing.
2012-12-04 01:08:53 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Oh, God. You're going to make me go to my bookshelf. -sigh-

"Obvious, but non-life threatening injuries can distract the Paramedic. These injuries may prevent a Paramedic from doing a more through assessment for more serious problems. Examples include open fractures, and facial bleeding that is profuse." - Page 301, Assessment Based Managment, Mosby's Paramedic Textbook, Third Edition, ISBN:978-0-323-04691-6

Zimmerman was offered hospital treatment, and scene transport by Paramedics three times. He continually refused. In addition, scene responders clearly thought his injuries were not life threatening, as they allowed him to be DNT-AMA (Did not transport, Against Medical Advice) on the scene of his own accord.



Stop trying to impress with medical knowledge. That's not the the issue. You're arguing that post hoc knowledge should have been known during and prior. Zimmerman doesn't have to wait till his injuries are severe. The severity of Zimmerman's injuries post fight have absolutely dick to do with the legality of his response.

As it stands, his injuries are in line with the expected injuries of someone pinned down and getting struck in the face. To which it's legal in all 50 states to use lethal force in defense.

BronyMedic: All it means is that Zimmerman hit something.


So he injured himself directly before the fight? Because the eyewitnesses certainly didn't see him flailing his head into things afterwards.

BronyMedic: In addition, the attempt by the defense attorney to portray his injuries as more severe than they actually were is a telling indicator that something's not kosher.


No, it means everything with the defense is kosher. That's what defenses do. They act as PR agents as well as legal debaters in the court. Same as how Crumb and family released a pic of Trayvon from 5 years ago to try and paint the picture of a sweet mellow boy who never harmed anyone.

BronyMedic: For all we know, he tripped and fell on the ground. There are no witnesses to the event. Only Martin and Zimmerman.


Uh huh... George tripped and Trayvon, being a good citizen, was helping him up. Uh huh.

BronyMedic: While the injuries SUGGEST his story could be factual, the scene evidence, forensic evidence, and the reconstruction of events do not support his verbatim recollection of the incident.


I again refer you back to the actual evidence and not the evidence you want to believe exists.

BronyMedic: Of course they can.


Yes.. indeed. That's all you had to say. All the "buts" in the world don't matter. Zimmerman had reason to believe his life was in danger.

BronyMedic: If you have someone on the ground, punching them with a bloody face, SOME forensic evidence is going to be transferred to Martin's hands.


Yes, but unlike the show CSI, it's not always picked up. Luckily Trayvon had bruised knuckles. Let me guess... Zimmerman stomped them to create the injury post death.
2012-12-04 01:02:47 AM  
1 votes:

UCFRoadWarrior: Hilarious to see all the Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals spin this for their hero Trayvon Martin. What a bunch of Hypocrites

If Trayvon Martin was white...the same Racists/WGLs would be cheering Zimmerman for capping TMs arse.

Just a matter of time before this case is tossed out of court...or the prosecution drops the case. You cannot convict someone just on the racist rantings of Al Sharpton and the New Black KKK...er New Black Panthers.

Or are the prosecutors that dumb to put Chris Serino and "Dee Dee" on the stand? This will be fun


If you have this amazing power to read minds and know what everyone thinks and believes, maybe you could use it to read Zimmerman's mind and find out exactly what happened instead of posting retarded race-baiting comments.
2012-12-04 12:59:36 AM  
1 votes:
This is probably the funniest thread I've read in a while. Everyone's looking for the monster here. Maybe there isn't one.

What if I told you
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Nothing is ever that simple.

rip-roaring good time chaps. Many thanks for the laughs.
2012-12-04 12:52:42 AM  
1 votes:

mittromneysdog: The issue is what his failure to heed the dispatcher's suggestion


There is no evidence for your assertion. This shows your willingness to take people's word for it that haven't done even a little research into that portion of the 911 recording.
2012-12-04 12:51:33 AM  
1 votes:
"Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law", how does that work?

It means shut your damn mouths. Who gives a rat's ass if the corpse is black or white? A neighborhood guardian was involved in an altercation with a citizen he was monitoring, and the citizen lost in the ensuing struggle. From here on, it is up to a court, not some armchair experts on race, skittles, and baby-daddying.
2012-12-04 12:51:14 AM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: 911 is called to report a crime and to save life or property. When you call 911 and they tell you to do something in the name of the authority and you don't do it, you'd better have a really good reason or you could definitely end up in a lot of trouble. Once you pick up that phone, you are deferring to the public authorities.


If you're going to be an internet lawyer at least google-search before issuing declarations of what the law says.

Though Godspeed on your deeply held convictions on what you believe the law says.

Hint: operators don't have the legal authority to do as you claimed.
2012-12-04 12:50:42 AM  
1 votes:

I Browse: True, but often times they give very sound and prescient advice...like in this case.


And a quick listen to the 911 recordings will show that GZ's response was "OK". What evidence do you have that he continued to pursue Trayvon?
2012-12-04 12:49:12 AM  
1 votes:

garkola: People seem to think that 911 dispatchers have actual authority.

"He did it even when 911 told him not to."



The issue isn't that he "disobeyed" the 911 dispatcher. The issue is what his failure to heed the dispatcher's suggestion tells us about his willingness to confront. Regardless of whether or not they "have to," the fact is, most people obey when the police tell them to do something. Yet Zimmerman didn't.

Add to that the known facts that Zimmerman was armed, that he was so enraged that he couldn't keep from uttering profanity when on the phone with the police, that Trayvon sought to avoid confrontation, and was unarmed, and it is clear beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
2012-12-04 12:46:34 AM  
1 votes:
I see the "Trayvon was a n*gger thug who deserved to be executed" crowd is out and about, and they're just as farktarded as ever.
2012-12-04 12:44:54 AM  
1 votes:

garkola: Most 911 dispatchers are exactly that: dispatchers. They don't really have any authority, and even if they did you can just hang up the phone and ignore them.


911 is called to report a crime and to save life or property. When you call 911 and they tell you to do something in the name of the authority and you don't do it, you'd better have a really good reason or you could definitely end up in a lot of trouble. Once you pick up that phone, you are deferring to the public authorities. That's why misuse of 911 can itself be a crime.
2012-12-04 12:41:21 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: He put a slug in a thug who was trying to beat his brains out.


Amos Quito: You underestimate the orgasmic pleasure that asshat doo-gooders derive from calling someone else racists "racist".


/if the hood fits...
//also, read NextChapter's links and learn something like how does the Martin's DNA not be on the weapon fired at point blank with Martin on top of Zimmerman? Not logical.
///unless you're late for a cross burning or something
2012-12-04 12:38:34 AM  
1 votes:
I'm white, about to be fifty-three years old. If you start a confrontation with me on the street and you are not a uniformed police officer, things are going to get very violent nearly immediately. I am going to make no presumptions but that you are crazy and ill-intended. I know better than to wait 'til the situation deteriorates. I don't know that your buddies aren't about to turn the corner. I will do the best I can to separate my attacker (fighting words are beyond adequate) from his senses just as quickly as possible.

//not an ITG,
//just a guy from the West Side.
2012-12-04 12:35:16 AM  
1 votes:

Dear Jerk: Any farkers been accused of murder? Would competent investigators check your face for gunpowder residue, or only your hands? Does having an incompetent police force give more legitimacy to vigilantes like Zimmerman? How many teeth will the jury have? Forget it, Jake Bob. It's the South.


Pft. IF the case goes to trial, and IF he gets convicted, he will be freed on appeal with even a half-competent attorney on grounds of being unable to receive a fair trial anywhere in the solar system, after the contamination of the sentient jury pool with this tripe. There is no place on the planet they can get a decent jury, and everyone knows it...except the goons who keep plastering this crap all over the Internet (unless, and it's not unlikely, it's being done by Zimmerman's own attorneys). Everytime this hits the Intertubes, the range for "change of venue" gets smaller and smaller. There's no place in Florida he can get a fair trial, nobody in the whole state who can say with a straight face, "No, your Honor, I've never heard of 'George Zimmerman...'"

And if he's not brought up soon, he'll have a pretty decent challenge for delay of trial. He's been charged, so the clock is ticking. It would serve all these idiots who are SURE he's guilty (or not) right if the case had to be dismissed under a 6th Amd. violation of his right to a speedy trial because of all this nattering.
2012-12-04 12:28:02 AM  
1 votes:

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: violentsalvation: To repeat what has been said a million times, and should be obvious to anyone who has payed any attention to the case, Trayvon stood his ground.

Attacking someone who asked you a quetion is assault. Slamming their face into concrete is attempted murder. Using violence on a person asking you a question is not defense. It's thuggery.


Get your dog whistle tuned, us non-dogs can hear it.

/"attacking" someone who was following you in a car, stopped the car, got out of the car, was actively searching for you while you were hiding in a back alley and then found you is called "standing your ground"
2012-12-04 12:26:00 AM  
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Walking up to someone and asking what they're doing in no way justifies getting beat up. Trayvon jumped the gun and paid the price for it. He could have said "hey stay away!" or anything verbal to diffuse a situation but instead chose to attack. That's not self defense. You can't sanely argue that.

/bring on the racism.

This.

I don't even have the energy to argue with these fools anymore though. They are willfully ignorant about the case, and continue to use the narrative that Jesse Jackson told them to use 8 months ago.



You underestimate the orgasmic pleasure that asshat doo-gooders derive from calling someone else "racist".
2012-12-04 12:25:15 AM  
1 votes:

ongbok: According to Zimmerman he didn't ask him a question. According to Zimmerman he never confronted him. According to Zimmerman, Trayvon attacked him from behind while he was looking at street signs trying to figure out what street he was on.


You forgot the asterisk. You know the "not intended to be a factual statement" one.

Frank N Stein: Just because you call it stalking doesn't mean that it falls within the legal definition of stalking. Just to let you know.


I think America's problem with idiots could be easily solved if they acted on their legal beliefs here. Go on and try and assault people who are following you. Let's see how that court case is going to go.

El Morro: That's not even a broken nose. Or if it is, the man has "Wolverine" level healing abilities.


Uh huh... You get your doctorate in video medical diagnosis? I think "internet doctor" makes "internet lawyer" look like a genius.
2012-12-04 12:23:50 AM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: All you Trayvon supporters ONLY support him because he was a black youth killed by a non-black. You don't give a damn about black kids killed by other black kids. You don't care about anything except what you can latch onto to make YOURSELVES look good. This is why the majority of people laugh at you moronic Social Justice Warriors. Your lives are pathetic and you need something to make it worthwhile. Just do the damn dishes and visit grandma at the rest home and stop latching onto the flavor of the month.


Well put.
2012-12-04 12:23:08 AM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Maybe you should do a research paper on how cleaning away blood and applying a cold pack can reduce swelling and ameliorate minor to moderate damage. It'll revolutionize medicine.


I could, on the other hand, tell you why a bloody noseis considered a "Distracting Injury" by both the Advanced Trauma Life Support, and the Prehospital Trauma Life Support curriculum , and point out that an ice pack will not reduce the hematoma and swelling that develops from a fractured nasal bone in the first few hours after an injury, it's a long-term (6-12 hour) intervention which reduces pain and discomfort, and reduces the size of the hematoma by constricting blood vessels.

Had his nose actually been that large, it would have been bruised and massively swollen after two hours. Ice wouldn't do shiat to bring it down that drastically.

I could also point out how you're being fooled by what is known as a "Fat Girl Angle Shot (NSFW, link to Encyclopedia Dramatica)", where the angle of the camera makes something appear larger or smaller than it actually is.
2012-12-04 12:16:57 AM  
1 votes:
Amos Quito: Mr. Eugenides: borg: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.

I shouldn't let myself get sucked into this, but since you seem to have some sort of oracular knowledge here, what exactly was Zimmerman's aggressive act that caused Martin to defend himself?


He was WHITE!

If that isn't aggressive, I don't know what is.

LordJiro: And, y'know, he got out of his car to deliberately pursue an unarmed teenager, against the 911 dispatcher's advice. But I'm sure Trayvon just ambushed and assaulted the armed jackass for no good reason. It's not like Zimmerman had a history of aggression issues and paranoia regarding black people or anything.


Uh.

"George Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before he shot Trayvon Martin, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer.

"I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white," Zimmerman said during a 90-second statement to city commissioners at a community forum. "It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/23/zimmerman-complained-about-sanf or d-police-in-2011/
2012-12-04 12:16:23 AM  
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ohokyeah: Stalking is hostile behavior.


Just because you call it stalking doesn't mean that it falls within the legal definition of stalking. Just to let you know.
2012-12-04 12:15:28 AM  
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ohokyeah: Zimmerman was initially just following Martin but it devolved into stalking, and Zimmerman was told by dispatchers to not pursue Martin, but to instead wait for the police. Zimmerman is the aggressor because he was being a stalker and confronted Martin. If a guy was following me around in his truck and then on foot and started interrogating me, I'd feel threatened too.

Whether or not the kid physically struck first or Zimmerman was in mortal danger from the fight, Zimmerman was the first one being aggressive in his behavior. It was Martin who lost the fight, but Zimmerman who really triggered the fight.

Had Zimmerman followed the dispatcher's instructions and waited for the police to arrive, Martin would probably be alive still, Zimmerman would feel a bit stupid because he would find out he'd been following a kid with Skittles and tea, but no one would be hurt. Zimmerman might still be up on stalking charges, but certainly not murder.

Stalking is hostile behavior.


I don't agree. The only thing that matters is which one struck first. Following someone and asking them questions is obnoxious behavior on Zimmerman's part, but Martin should have just told him to fark off. And he may have, I suppose. I don't know for sure who struck first. But, whoever it was, that's who is to blame.
2012-12-04 12:15:06 AM  
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Well, what are the axioms? Certainly GZ had no authority do demand a hostile interview of TM.
2012-12-04 12:13:28 AM  
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1) Dude was told by law enforcement to back off following a guy just walking around in public.

2) Did not obey law enforcement.

3) Can't own up to his own responsibility for not backing off

4) And I'm supposed to feel sorry for him why?
2012-12-04 12:07:36 AM  
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squirrelflavoredyogurt: skandalus: In the name of parity, I feel the family of Trayvon Martin should release a few bloody photos from that fateful night. Seriously, if a stranger jump out of a car, confronts me, and follows a course of actions that results in him gunning me down in the middle of the street, the least I could do is break his nose. It's still a question of who threw the first punch, as well as who committed the first truly threatening action. Contrary to what many backing Zimmerman believe, a person walking down your street does not present a threat. But given those initial conditions and considering that Zimmerman presented himself in a way that would make ME feel threatened while minding my business on residential street, only to shoot someone later, I can only conclude he should've had some injuries. Trayvon Martin became the aggressor? Injuries. Zimmerman follows through on the earlier known confrontational behavior to the point that Martin felt threatened and took action? Injuries. Zimmerman threw the first punch, and Martin punched back? More injuries.

I'm having a hard time figuring out what they hope to prove unless the argument is, no matter what Zimmerman might have contributed to a bad situation (even as the initiator of the conflict and the only adult in the situation), if Martin laid a finger on him, he deserved it. Martin apparently didn't have a right to stand his own ground. Then, considering that Zimmerman is the one that's still breathing, I'm even getting visuals from the 1950s. After brutally murdering Emmett Till, Roy Bryant and his accomplices present pictures of their bloody knuckles, bruised forearms, and scratched facing, saying, "That little boy was asking for it!" That's if they hadn't blamed Till for the theft of the cotton gin fan used to weigh his body down. Seriously, after beating and murdering a kid, the only thing they were worried about was being arrested for stealing a piece of machinery.

Martin ran from Zimmerman, Zimmerm ...


This.

It doesn't matter if Martin robbed a little old lady, tore her clothes off, and snorted coke off of her wrinkly ass. You can't chase down someone and shoot them, even if they are a criminal.

/something something the cops hate the competition
2012-12-04 12:07:34 AM  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVwPqXc-bk

1:50 sounds of heavy breathing from Zimmerman as he admits he's following Martin.

2:09 "He ran", no more heavy breathing as Zimmerman is no longer running after Martin who ran away.

2:20 do you want to meet with the officer by the mailbox? "Ya"

2:36 No wait have him call me when he gets here.

Yep, standing his ground against an aggressor.
2012-12-04 12:05:49 AM  
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OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Everyone realizes twayvon was a criminal right? I'm not saying gz was brilliant or anything but he definitely had legal and moral right to kill tway tway.


Getting popped with a dime bag makes someone a hardened, violent criminal worth being shot in the chest?

I see you're posting from Delaware. I would have thought Beijing, Myself.
2012-12-04 12:04:01 AM  
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EnderX: Remember everyone, if you agree that zimmerman had cause to defend himself, your a Racist. Now I hope nobody overreacts like Trayvon.


"We don't need you to do that, sir"

/thread
2012-12-04 12:00:26 AM  
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Remember everyone, if you agree that zimmerman had cause to defend himself, your a Racist. Now I hope nobody overreacts like Trayvon.
2012-12-04 12:00:20 AM  
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I wonder-- if I were a victim of a mugger and just as the mugger turned his/her back to me, do I have the right to stand up and tackle them to the ground and bash their head on the ground until they were dead?
2012-12-03 11:57:14 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Eugenides: borg: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.

I shouldn't let myself get sucked into this, but since you seem to have some sort of oracular knowledge here, what exactly was Zimmerman's aggressive act that caused Martin to defend himself?


Stalking. If someone I don't know is following me in a car and gets out and heads towards me I'm going to assume they have something bad planned.
2012-12-03 11:55:31 PM  
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borg: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Trayvon Martin was defending himself. He had every right to stand his ground to defend himself," Crump said.

So, Trayvon was allowed to defend himself, but Zimmerman was not? Is that the logic here?

Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.


The Traybots appear to be deploying their talking points more quickly than the Zimmerbots at this stage. Be interesting to check back later.
2012-12-03 11:52:13 PM  
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Popcorn Johnny: I still remember when the first grainy photo of Zimmerman at the police station was released and the internet mob was up in arms saying that it proved that Martin hadn't assaulted him.


Actually, all this proves is that he had a broken nose. And that he hadn't washed his face like he had in the shot the police took for evidence the night he shot Martin.

For your comparison:

i.huffpost.com

All this means is that Zimmerman had a broken nose, the above picture shows that was clearly not as bad as this picture portrays it as, since they were both taken the same night. It also doesn't mean anything in terms of explaining what happened, or why Treyvon Martin is dead. Since what happened that night is pretty much dependent on what Zimmerman is claiming it was, all this is is an emotional appeal using a face with blood on it.
2012-12-03 11:51:14 PM  
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Peter von Nostrand: edmo: Trayvon Martin still dead.

Totally different with him, he didn't have the right to defend himself. Plus he had Skittles and once tweeted about Marijuana


Pick a fist fight with a guy carrying a gun and you run the risk of winning a casket and an all expense paid trip to six feet under.

The kid probably didn't deserve to die, but the neighborhood watch cop wanna be didn't deserve to get his ass kicked either, whether he was stalking Martin through his neighborhood or not.

borg: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Trayvon Martin was defending himself. He had every right to stand his ground to defend himself," Crump said.

So, Trayvon was allowed to defend himself, but Zimmerman was not? Is that the logic here?

Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.


We don't know that Martin was doing that at that point. There's lots of holes here and depending upon how you fill in the blanks, you end up with two completely different answers.

A normal jury would find enough reasonable doubt based on what we know so far that Zimmerman should walk. I doubt that things will be left that way even if a jury declines to find him guilty. I can already hear Eric Holder's people warming up in the bullpen.
2012-12-03 11:48:55 PM  
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Generation_D: I'm having a hard time figuring out what they hope to prove unless the argument is, no matter what Zimmerman might have contributed to a bad situation (even as the initiator of the conflict and the only adult in the situation)

He was black, Zimmerman shot him, and the gun recoiled hitting him in the face, causing a slight nosebleed. The important thing was Zimmerman shot a black man in cold blood. Once you realize that, all the internet tough guy excuses all start to make sense.


I can count up to around 4 [citation needed]s in your post.

Can you find them all?
2012-12-03 11:46:52 PM  
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borg: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was walking down the street minding his own business.


I shouldn't let myself get sucked into this, but since you seem to have some sort of oracular knowledge here, what exactly was Zimmerman's aggressive act that caused Martin to defend himself?
2012-12-03 11:42:52 PM  
1 votes:
Ahh yes, the media is once feasting on the story of the death of a teenager like maggots feeding on his corpse.
2012-12-03 11:01:14 PM  
1 votes:
A bloody nose?

That's a killin'
2012-12-03 10:24:19 PM  
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jmadisonbiii: [i780.photobucket.com image 397x247]

ZIMMERMAN THREAD!!!

2012-12-03 09:57:07 PM  
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Peter von Nostrand: edmo: Trayvon Martin still dead.

Totally different with him, he didn't have the right to defend himself. Plus he had Skittles and once tweeted about Marijuana


Moe importantly, he was a negro.
 
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