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2012-12-04 12:44:38 AM

BronyMedic: Mrbogey: All you Trayvon supporters ONLY support him because he was a black youth killed by a non-black. You don't give a damn about black kids killed by other black kids. You don't care about anything except what you can latch onto to make YOURSELVES look good. This is why the majority of people laugh at you moronic Social Justice Warriors. Your lives are pathetic and you need something to make it worthwhile. Just do the damn dishes and visit grandma at the rest home and stop latching onto the flavor of the month.

Or it could be the fact that his story doesn't add up given the evidence, that he was never as badly injured as he claimed (Oh, I can't wait for the EMS field report to come out at trial.), that he repeatedly disobeyed someone giving him advice to say in his vehicle and not pursue someone on foot, and that now one person is dead,



Except that he was ALREADY OUT OF HIS VEHICLE TRYING TO EYEBALL MARTIN so that he could direct POLICE to his location when the advice was uttered.

Read the 9-11 transcripts, and see if you continue to hold to the lies that you currently espouse.

Keep farkin' that chicken, BronyMedic. Given your description of your occupation AND the neighborhoods that you claim to service, I should think that you'd be a bit more understanding of the dangers present.

Good luck, and godspeed, Ambulad.
 
2012-12-04 12:44:40 AM

JungleBoogie: 7) Conclusion: I think the bottom line is that Zimmerman had no intent to shoot Martin when he got out of his vehicle. I think it's probably true that Zimmerman was mouthier and bolder than he would have been without the gun. And I think Martin probably thought the best defense was a good offense.


So, again, killing people by being reckless and stupid is called "manslaughter", and it's usually 10-15 years, sometimes more if you were under the influence. Second-degree murder being a stretch doesn't mean the idiot doesn't need to cool his heels in a cell for a few years and be banned form owning a gun ever again. I mean, he clearly lacks the basic judgement and temperament to be trusted around firearms.
 
2012-12-04 12:44:43 AM

Popcorn Johnny: I still remember when the first grainy photo of Zimmerman at the police station was released and the internet mob was up in arms saying that it proved that Martin hadn't assaulted him.


So that makes it okay to murder the kid, right?
 
2012-12-04 12:44:54 AM

garkola: Most 911 dispatchers are exactly that: dispatchers. They don't really have any authority, and even if they did you can just hang up the phone and ignore them.


911 is called to report a crime and to save life or property. When you call 911 and they tell you to do something in the name of the authority and you don't do it, you'd better have a really good reason or you could definitely end up in a lot of trouble. Once you pick up that phone, you are deferring to the public authorities. That's why misuse of 911 can itself be a crime.
 
2012-12-04 12:45:36 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Are we in a court of law?


Nope.

Lionel Mandrake: Are you a judge?


I'm really judgmental. Also, I'm a Libra, so...kinda?
 
2012-12-04 12:45:56 AM

BronyMedic: Or it could be the fact that his story doesn't add up given the evidence...


First, I recommend you actually read the evidence. What you believe happened has no legal weight. There's nothing he said that was contradictory. A lot of the things that Trayvon supporters say he said is damning... but lucky for Zimmerman, they also have no weight against what actually happened.

BronyMedic: that he was never as badly injured as he claimed (Oh, I can't wait for the EMS field report to come out at trial.)


Cuts to the back of the head and injuries to the face. I guess you don't know that a person doesn't actually have to wait for serious bodily harm to defend themselves. Oh, I know... right now you're cursing that tricky George Zimmerman for using his hispano-black-jew magic to trick poor Trayvon into knocking him onto the ground and striking him.

As long as the EMS field report is in concurrence with the facts that establish Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman striking him in the face against a hard surface... you have nothing. NOTHING. Now if that field report says that Zimmerman used that hispano-black-jew voodoo to conjure up facial injuries that can't be explained by his story (the one that has not deviated from the original story he told) then you have something.

BronyMedic: that he repeatedly disobeyed someone giving him advice to say in his vehicle and not pursue someone on foot


Here's some advice, don't walk down dark alleys. Now if you should disobey my advice you must accept any negative consequences.

Advice is advice... no weight.

BronyMedic: Or it could also be the fact that Zimmerman was known as someone who had anger management, and authority issues, and fancied himself a wannabe cop.


And? Is that gonna get Joe Biden a Trans-Am? Yea, you go and try to run a prosecution based solely on character arguments.

"Your honor, I know we have no evidence this man is guilty of the crime...but look at him! He's clearly an asshole! C'mon! C'mon... let's teach this asshole a lesson. The prosecution rests."
 
2012-12-04 12:46:30 AM

s2s2s2: Karma Curmudgeon: Not logical

Why not?


Gravity
 
2012-12-04 12:46:34 AM
I see the "Trayvon was a n*gger thug who deserved to be executed" crowd is out and about, and they're just as farktarded as ever.
 
2012-12-04 12:47:35 AM

Jim_Callahan: clearly


Good evidence you don't see things "clearly".
 
2012-12-04 12:48:28 AM

garkola:
Most 911 dispatchers are exactly that: dispatchers. They don't really have any authority, and even if they did you can just hang up the phone and ignore them.


True, but often times they give very sound and prescient advice...like in this case.
 
2012-12-04 12:48:43 AM

Somacandra: you don't do it,


Citation needed.

Karma Curmudgeon: Gravity


Explain further.
 
2012-12-04 12:49:09 AM

HBK: You're not a lawyer, are you?


No. I'm just very familiar with this branch of law because you have to be to maintain a TX or GA equivalent CCP.

I've also seen this song and dance from my own state's dumbass prosecutors when they're trying to set up a future run for office. We had an extra-special lawyer grandstanding case recently when a criminal court judge tried to get out of a damned speeding ticket by continual delays based on legal technicalities, basically to advertise how smart he was. Didn't work for him either.

//Used that example because the examples of prosecutors trying to make a name for themselves with murder cases are less funny and more depressing.
 
2012-12-04 12:49:12 AM

garkola: People seem to think that 911 dispatchers have actual authority.

"He did it even when 911 told him not to."



The issue isn't that he "disobeyed" the 911 dispatcher. The issue is what his failure to heed the dispatcher's suggestion tells us about his willingness to confront. Regardless of whether or not they "have to," the fact is, most people obey when the police tell them to do something. Yet Zimmerman didn't.

Add to that the known facts that Zimmerman was armed, that he was so enraged that he couldn't keep from uttering profanity when on the phone with the police, that Trayvon sought to avoid confrontation, and was unarmed, and it is clear beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
 
2012-12-04 12:49:51 AM
to the people in this thread:

if you have more loyalty to your race than you do to law and justice then you are part of the problem.
 
2012-12-04 12:50:42 AM

I Browse: True, but often times they give very sound and prescient advice...like in this case.


And a quick listen to the 911 recordings will show that GZ's response was "OK". What evidence do you have that he continued to pursue Trayvon?
 
2012-12-04 12:51:14 AM

Somacandra: 911 is called to report a crime and to save life or property. When you call 911 and they tell you to do something in the name of the authority and you don't do it, you'd better have a really good reason or you could definitely end up in a lot of trouble. Once you pick up that phone, you are deferring to the public authorities.


If you're going to be an internet lawyer at least google-search before issuing declarations of what the law says.

Though Godspeed on your deeply held convictions on what you believe the law says.

Hint: operators don't have the legal authority to do as you claimed.
 
2012-12-04 12:51:33 AM
"Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law", how does that work?

It means shut your damn mouths. Who gives a rat's ass if the corpse is black or white? A neighborhood guardian was involved in an altercation with a citizen he was monitoring, and the citizen lost in the ensuing struggle. From here on, it is up to a court, not some armchair experts on race, skittles, and baby-daddying.
 
2012-12-04 12:52:22 AM

s2s2s2: Jim_Callahan: clearly

Good evidence you don't see things "clearly".


Dispatcher tells you police are on their way, advises against engaging suspect.

When police arrives you've gotten in a damned fist-fight with suspect and one of you is dead.

You proceed to lie about your assets to a judge with access to your bank records at your bail hearing, and don't disclose basic facts or provide testimony to your own lawyers.

Pretty clear, man.
 
2012-12-04 12:52:41 AM

s2s2s2: Not to mention there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Zimmerman continued pursuit after the dispatcher's admonition.


There may be something to that---given that there was no DNA foreign to Martin positively identified on his body or clothing. It doesn't really help Mr. Zimmerman's story, though.
 
2012-12-04 12:52:42 AM

mittromneysdog: The issue is what his failure to heed the dispatcher's suggestion


There is no evidence for your assertion. This shows your willingness to take people's word for it that haven't done even a little research into that portion of the 911 recording.
 
2012-12-04 12:54:04 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: I see the "Trayvon was a n*gger thug who deserved to be executed" crowd is out and about, and they're just as farktarded as ever.


It's called lithium. When you hear things that aren't being said and seeing things not actually posted, it's a disturbing sign of a serious illness. Seek help.

Kudos to you for taking a stand against something that hasn't actually happened.
 
2012-12-04 12:54:15 AM
JungleBoogie: 7) Conclusion: I think the bottom line is that Zimmerman had no intent to shoot Martin when he got out of his vehicle. I think it's probably true that Zimmerman was mouthier and bolder than he would have been without the gun. And I think Martin probably thought the best defense was a good offense.

Jim_Callahan:So, again, killing people by being reckless and stupid is called "manslaughter", and it's usually 10-15 years, sometimes more if you were under the influence. Second-degree murder being a stretch doesn't mean the idiot doesn't need to cool his heels in a cell for a few years and be banned form owning a gun ever again. I mean, he clearly lacks the basic judgement and temperament to be trusted around firearms.


How was he being reckless and stupid?

"You don't need to do that sir" in response to telling the dispatcher he was getting out of his vehicle to look for what he perceived to be a suspicious character is not being reckless or stupid. He doesn't want the guy to get away. Some people keep insisting that he was "told" to stay in his car, and that's just factually false.

Zimmerman stood up and tried to take responsibility for stopping crime in his neighborhood. Which resulted in a terribly unfortunate series of unintended consequences.

Fact: Two guys, keyed up for different reasons, stumbled into each other.
Fact: A fight breaks out.
Fact: Zimmerman was being beaten.
Fact: Zimmerman shot Martin.
 
2012-12-04 12:54:31 AM
Hilarious to see all the Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals spin this for their hero Trayvon Martin. What a bunch of Hypocrites

If Trayvon Martin was white...the same Racists/WGLs would be cheering Zimmerman for capping TMs arse.

Just a matter of time before this case is tossed out of court...or the prosecution drops the case. You cannot convict someone just on the racist rantings of Al Sharpton and the New Black KKK...er New Black Panthers.

Or are the prosecutors that dumb to put Chris Serino and "Dee Dee" on the stand? This will be fun
 
2012-12-04 12:55:08 AM
Now this is pretty interesting.

"Exhibit ME-2," fingernail scrapings from Trayvon, only showed the presence of blood from his right hand. "No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin ...were found..

"Exhibit ME-12," Trayvon's hoodie, had no traces of Zimmerman's blood on it. There were three stains, two of which "gave chemical indications for the presence of blood." Only one had a partial DNA profile that matched Trayvon. The right cuff, left cuff and lower sleeves of both arms of the hoodie found "No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin.

Link

With all of the punching that Trayvon did to his face and slamming his head into the side walk, it is amazing that he was able to avoid getting Zimmerman's DNA on him except for on his right hand.

It is also amazing that he avoided getting his DNA on Zimmerman's gun despite struggling with him for it.
 
2012-12-04 12:55:15 AM

s2s2s2: The broken nose(hospital records, not just an EMT report) is in the record. I guess it could be a conspiracy. Yeah, go with that.


Zimmerman refused treatment on scene, and only went to the hospital the next day on advice of his lawyer. He was asked to go to the hospital three times on scene, which he refused repeatedly.

Mrbogey: Finally, the one we are going to talk about more in depth this week is those patients who have Distracting Injuries. You know what I am talking about; those angulated fractures, those more grotesque injuries that make you stop in your tracks and stare. Just because it doesn't look pretty though doesn't mean it needs to be off the scene immediately.

What about it? People rarely die from getting their nose broke, true. But that doesn't matter. The argument is that Zimmerman was on his back with his head on the ground and Martin was punching him.



Oh, God. You're going to make me go to my bookshelf. -sigh-

"Obvious, but non-life threatening injuries can distract the Paramedic. These injuries may prevent a Paramedic from doing a more through assessment for more serious problems. Examples include open fractures, and facial bleeding that is profuse." - Page 301, Assessment Based Managment, Mosby's Paramedic Textbook, Third Edition, ISBN:978-0-323-04691-6

Zimmerman was offered hospital treatment, and scene transport by Paramedics three times. He continually refused. In addition, scene responders clearly thought his injuries were not life threatening, as they allowed him to be DNT-AMA (Did not transport, Against Medical Advice) on the scene of his own accord.

Mrbogey:
1. Does the injury support that allegation.

Yes.


The injury alone does not support the allegation. All it means is that Zimmerman hit something. In addition, the attempt by the defense attorney to portray his injuries as more severe than they actually were is a telling indicator that something's not kosher. For all we know, he tripped and fell on the ground. There are no witnesses to the event. Only Martin and Zimmerman. And one of those are dead. While the injuries SUGGEST his story could be factual, the scene evidence, forensic evidence, and the reconstruction of events do not support his verbatim recollection of the incident.

Martin or Zimmerman's race, as you suggested earlier, are irrelevant. His past confrontational behavior, and the history of abuse of power Zimmerman displayed however, are not.

Mrbogey: 2. Can strikes to the head cause injury that can kill?

Why yes... yes it can.


Of course they can. However, unless you have an AVM, are on blood thinners, are either an infant or the elderly, or someone who's trained as a special forces hand to hand combatant training, a single punch to the nose is not going to kill anyone. Even then, there would be signs and symptoms that EMS would have picked up on, and - since he was technically in custody during their assessment - he could have been forced to go against his will for treatment.

Mrbogey: 3. Can someone use lethal force if their life is in danger and they can't flee... why yes... in ALL 50 states a person can kill an assailant who is using force that could reasonably lead to death or extreme injury.

Your argument amount to "the injury isn't as bad as it seems ergo...." which is just ridiculous. Nothing has come out to support the Trayvon self-defense argument since this case hit the national news so I can understand the desperation but Zimmerman is going to walk free. Murder II at this rate is an impossibility and Manslaughter is slowly sailing out of sight.


Except for forensic evidence and circumstantial evidence on Zimmerman that, in context, doesn't add up. If you have someone on the ground, punching them with a bloody face, SOME forensic evidence is going to be transferred to Martin's hands.

There wasn't anything found.

So are you suggesting that Martin wore gloves that Zimmerman hid after the shooting?
 
2012-12-04 12:55:27 AM

Karma Curmudgeon: Amos Quito: He put a slug in a thug who was trying to beat his brains out.

Amos Quito: You underestimate the orgasmic pleasure that asshat doo-gooders derive from calling someone else racists "racist".

/if the hoodie fits...



FTFY


//also, read NextChapter's links and learn something like how does the Martin's DNA not be on the weapon fired at point blank with Martin on top of Zimmerman? Not logical.


Why SHOULD it be logical that Martin's DNA would be on the gun? Was he naked?

No, he was clothed - wearing a HOODIE (among other things). Consider the laws of physics and get back to us. 


something something CROSS BURNING something


I think I see where you're coming from.

Thanks for that.
 
2012-12-04 12:56:13 AM
This:

Jim_Callahan: Dispatcher tells you police are on their way, advises against engaging suspect.


And a big old gap, signifying nothing about whether or not the admonition to cease pursuit was respected, then:

Jim_Callahan: When police arrives you've gotten in a damned fist-fight with suspect and one of you is dead.


Jim_Callahan: You proceed to lie about your assets to a judge with access to your bank records at your bail hearing, and don't disclose basic facts or provide testimony to your own lawyers.


Knowing your life is over, and wanting to have as much money as you can if and when you get through the ordeal you are going through...

= not clear.

Desperate times...
 
2012-12-04 12:57:12 AM

Somacandra: There may be something to that---given that there was no DNA foreign to Martin positively identified on his body or clothing. It doesn't really help Mr. Zimmerman's story, though.


Hell of a qualifier you have there.
 
2012-12-04 12:57:48 AM

s2s2s2: mittromneysdog: The issue is what his failure to heed the dispatcher's suggestion

There is no evidence for your assertion. This shows your willingness to take people's word for it that haven't done even a little research into that portion of the 911 recording.


This shows your willingness to make personal what could and should be a cool conversation about facts. That in turn speaks poorly of your moral character, and consequently of the veracity of your factual statements like "there is no evidence for your assertion."
 
2012-12-04 12:58:45 AM

croesius: "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law", how does that work?

It means shut your damn mouths. Who gives a rat's ass if the corpse is black or white? A neighborhood guardian was involved in an altercation with a citizen he was monitoring, and the citizen lost in the ensuing struggle. From here on, it is up to a court, not some armchair experts on race, skittles, and baby-daddying.


Innocent until proven guilty is only in a court of law. In the court of public opinion you can say he's guilty all you want.
 
2012-12-04 12:59:36 AM
This is probably the funniest thread I've read in a while. Everyone's looking for the monster here. Maybe there isn't one.

What if I told you
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Nothing is ever that simple.

rip-roaring good time chaps. Many thanks for the laughs.
 
2012-12-04 01:00:06 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: I see the "Trayvon was a n*gger thug who deserved to be executed" crowd is out and about, and they're just as farktarded as ever.


motores.com.py
 
2012-12-04 01:00:07 AM

s2s2s2: Explain further.


Martin is allegedly on top of Zimmerman with enough leverage to both hold Zimmerman down and slam his head into the pavement*. This would mean that Martin is directly over Zimmerman and Zimmerman would be firing upwards at Martin and it defies logic to somehow think that Martins guts being splayed in every direction somehow defied laws of gravity putting any of Martins DNA on the gun or in the barrel.

/I've seen people get their head slammed into to concrete. They looked nothing like George Zimmerman. I've also seen people punched in the nose. They looked exactly like George Zimmerman.
 
2012-12-04 01:00:41 AM

mittromneysdog: make personal


I'm sorry I used your logic in a response to you. I was not saying you are incapable of learning what the tapes show, just that you haven't yet.

Nothing I say will ever be enough to make a fact out of the claim that Zimmerman pursued after it was suggested it was unnecessary for him to do so.

"We don't need you to do that." -Dispatcher

"Ok" -Zimmerman
 
2012-12-04 01:00:42 AM

JungleBoogie:
LordJiro: And, y'know, he got out of his car to deliberately pursue an unarmed teenager, against the 911 dispatcher's advice. But I'm sure Trayvon just ambushed and assaulted the armed jackass for no good reason. It's not like Zimmerman had a history of aggression issues and paranoia regarding black people or anything.

Uh.

"George Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before he shot Trayvon Martin, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer.

"I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white," Zimmerman said during a 90-second statement to city commissioners at a community forum. "It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/23/zimmerman-complained-about-sanf or d-police-in-2011/


Doesn't mean he's not racist. It does show that he isn't a complete waste of space and that in his own way he meant well, but still doesn't prove he's not racist.

I have a good friend who is retired. He loves to tell stories about when he was a supervisor at his job: the black men who worked for him adored him because he was the only supervisor there who gave them a chance rather than treating them as worthless based on their color.

Two sentences later he will tell you that he refused to attend one of his friend's weddings last year because she "married a n*gg*r."

/If you treat people of racial groups well as long as they stay in their place, you're still a racist.
//Though really, I don't think it matters if you're racist or not: if you kill someone, you've killed someone. I feel bad for both the men in this scenario. One was in the wrong place at the wrong time and the other was delusional (doesn't matter to me why), thought he was doing the right thing, and made a really awful mistake.
 
2012-12-04 01:01:40 AM

Karma Curmudgeon: Martins guts being splayed in every direction


This did not happen. You watch too many movies.
 
2012-12-04 01:02:16 AM

JungleBoogie:
Fact: Two guys, keyed up for different reasons, stumbled into each other.
Fact: A fight breaks out.
Fact: Zimmerman was being beaten.
Fact: Zimmerman shot Martin.


What you're describing is, quite literally, manslaughter. A fight that "gets out of hand" and results in a dead body is still a crime even if there is not a clear-cut single aggressor. Added to forensic evidence, that pretty much shows Zimmerman's story of it totally being the other guy's fault to be complete shiate (intentionally or unintentionally) and we're back to him being liable enough for manslaughter. You don't get any bonus points for being stupid enough to genuinely believe that you weren't doing nothing, you only get to use self-defense as a justification if that is actually the case. In reality. Not in your imagination.
 
2012-12-04 01:02:47 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: Hilarious to see all the Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals spin this for their hero Trayvon Martin. What a bunch of Hypocrites

If Trayvon Martin was white...the same Racists/WGLs would be cheering Zimmerman for capping TMs arse.

Just a matter of time before this case is tossed out of court...or the prosecution drops the case. You cannot convict someone just on the racist rantings of Al Sharpton and the New Black KKK...er New Black Panthers.

Or are the prosecutors that dumb to put Chris Serino and "Dee Dee" on the stand? This will be fun


If you have this amazing power to read minds and know what everyone thinks and believes, maybe you could use it to read Zimmerman's mind and find out exactly what happened instead of posting retarded race-baiting comments.
 
2012-12-04 01:03:09 AM

croesius: "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law", how does that work?

It means shut your damn mouths. Who gives a rat's ass if the corpse is black or white? A neighborhood guardian was involved in an altercation with a citizen he was monitoring, and the citizen lost in the ensuing struggle. From here on, it is up to a court, not some armchair experts on race, skittles, and baby-daddying.


The problem with your argument is that Zimmerman did shoot Trayvon Martin. No one has disputed that, ever. Since he is trying to use the self-defense plea, the burden of proof is on him to show the shooting was justified.
 
2012-12-04 01:04:18 AM

Karma Curmudgeon: /I've seen people get their head slammed into to concrete. They looked nothing like George Zimmerman. I've also seen people punched in the nose. They looked exactly like George Zimmerman.


I almost lost my life because I fell(passed out) backward into a cabinet with a fire safety edge on the door.
I have a tiny little scar on the back of my head where the simple fact that I fell backward, and bumped my head severed 4 arteries in my scalp. I nearly bled out before I got to the hospital. I needed 5 pints of blood.
 
2012-12-04 01:04:26 AM

Amos Quito: Keep farkin' that chicken, BronyMedic. Given your description of your occupation AND the neighborhoods that you claim to service, I should think that you'd be a bit more understanding of the dangers present.

Good luck, and godspeed, Ambulad.


Yeah. You're right. I wouldn't shove my Browning Hi-Power in my waistband, follow someone in a neighborhood, and then get out on foot and pursue them when they go around a house. That's just me, though. Then again, I'm not an idiot hanging around neighborhoods with high gang activity thinking I'm a law enforcement officer.

Mrbogey: And? Is that gonna get Joe Biden a Trans-Am? Yea, you go and try to run a prosecution based solely on character arguments.

"Your honor, I know we have no evidence this man is guilty of the crime...but look at him! He's clearly an asshole! C'mon! C'mon... let's teach this asshole a lesson. The prosecution rests."


You're actually typing this with a straight face, aren't you?

So if I have a history of roughing people up who smarted off to me as a security guard to the point where I was fired from that position, had a history of self-admittedly patrolling my gated community with my concealed weapon, and if I had been arrested for assault before, if I end up shooting someone I was following on foot, with no witnesses to corroborate any story I tell, that wouldn't' be relevant to my mentality at the time of the shooting?

Really?

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Mrbogey: Cuts to the back of the head and injuries to the face. I guess you don't know that a person doesn't actually have to wait for serious bodily harm to defend themselves. Oh, I know... right now you're cursing that tricky George Zimmerman for using his hispano-black-jew magic to trick poor Trayvon into knocking him onto the ground and striking him.

As long as the EMS field report is in concurrence with the facts that establish Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman striking him in the face against a hard surface... you have nothing. NOTHING. Now if that field report says that Zimmerman used that hispano-black-jew voodoo to conjure up facial injuries that can't be explained by his story (the one that has not deviated from the original story he told) then you have something.


Wow. Just wow.

I've never even brought Martin, or Zimmerman's race up at all. I've brought up the credibility of his story, multiple times on FARK, along with his history of being a wacker-wannabe rent-a-cop, but I've never even mentioned his race.

You, on the other hand, have stated in this very thread "The only reason people don't believe he's not guilty is because they're social justice white knights who think because he shot a black kid, he's guilty".

Mrbogey: Here's some advice, don't walk down dark alleys. Now if you should disobey my advice you must accept any negative consequences.

Advice is advice... no weight.


You're right. You're under no criminal obligation to obey a 911 dispatcher giving you advice.

Civilly, however, it's another matter. It all depends on whether they accept the defense of Stand your ground, or not whether that avenue can be pursued.
 
2012-12-04 01:04:27 AM

Esroc: As far as I'm concerned, it does not matter one lick who started the altercation. Martin was unarmed. Zimmerman escalated what could have been nothing more than a fistfight by pulling out a firearm. Too many people with guns in this country have no self-control and would rather take someones life than just take getting beaten up like a man.


You realize that a single punch can kill you, right?

Or that a person who beats you may not stop there.

Don't ever assume someone who starts a fight with you is honorable or knows how to restrict himself. Most likely, they don't. My neighbor took one single blow to the head in a bar. He's farking dead.
 
2012-12-04 01:05:22 AM

s2s2s2:

And a quick listen to the 911 recordings will show that GZ's response was "OK". What evidence do you have that he continued to pursue Trayvon?



I have no evidence, I wasn't there. Like most of us when we heard this story, I can only imagine myself in the same scenario and wonder what I would do (both as Zimmerman and Martin). If I were Zimmerman...I would've felt I'd done my civic duty once I placed the call to 911. I would trust the police to handle it from there. I can't imagine any scenario where I would've gotten out of my car in the first place. So if the dispatcher advised me not to pursue, I would've told them I have no intention of pursuing and meant it.

If I were Martin...I probably would've just run. And although I would've been apprehensive about leading a stranger to my dad's gf's home, I'd rather be safe inside than dealing with a stranger outside.
 
2012-12-04 01:05:43 AM

s2s2s2: Karma Curmudgeon: Martins guts being splayed in every direction

This did not happen. You watch too many movies.

This did not happen. You watch too many movies./i>

Within the two square feet where Zimmerman's story takes place, that's exactly what would have happened. Physics.
 
2012-12-04 01:07:42 AM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Everyone realizes twayvon was a criminal right? I'm not saying gz was brilliant or anything but he definitely had legal and moral right to kill tway tway.


For being a "criminal"? That gives him a "legal and moral right" to stalk and murder an unarmed teenager?
 
2012-12-04 01:07:56 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Keizer_Ghidorah: I see the "Trayvon was a n*gger thug who deserved to be executed" crowd is out and about, and they're just as farktarded as ever.

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I'm the one trolling? I recall a certain 9beers stating many, many times that Trayvon was an evil Negro demon that was seconds away from attacking and looting every house on that street and we should thank the Lord that the avenging knight Zimmerman was there to destroy the foul child of Satan before he could do his vicious deeds. And many of the people in here going "ANYONE WHO IS AGAINST ZIMMERMAN IS A REVERSE RACIST!" and "LOL WORSHIPING YOUR DEAD BLACK HERO, LIBTARDS!" were agreeing with him. And they're certainly still going at it right now.
 
2012-12-04 01:08:38 AM

Amos Quito: Keep farkin' that chicken, BronyMedic. Given your description of your occupation AND the neighborhoods that you claim to service, I should think that you'd be a bit more understanding of the dangers present.

Good luck, and godspeed, Ambulad.


I'm sorry. This is bothering me, Amos, because you're one of the biggest Palestinian white knights on FARK, I find this in particular rather telling, and I'm sincerely hoping you're wrong on this one.

Because I work in the Frayser-Northhaven Area primarily on a 911 unit (an economically disadvantaged, primarily African American area of Memphis, for those unfamiliar with it), I'm supposed to be scared of the demographic that live there? Or I'm supposed to have an itchy trigger finger because of it?

What "Dangers" Amos?

"They" don't mess with us, Amos. "They" like us there, because we're the ones keeping them alive when they OD, or get shot.
 
2012-12-04 01:08:53 AM

BronyMedic: Oh, God. You're going to make me go to my bookshelf. -sigh-

"Obvious, but non-life threatening injuries can distract the Paramedic. These injuries may prevent a Paramedic from doing a more through assessment for more serious problems. Examples include open fractures, and facial bleeding that is profuse." - Page 301, Assessment Based Managment, Mosby's Paramedic Textbook, Third Edition, ISBN:978-0-323-04691-6

Zimmerman was offered hospital treatment, and scene transport by Paramedics three times. He continually refused. In addition, scene responders clearly thought his injuries were not life threatening, as they allowed him to be DNT-AMA (Did not transport, Against Medical Advice) on the scene of his own accord.



Stop trying to impress with medical knowledge. That's not the the issue. You're arguing that post hoc knowledge should have been known during and prior. Zimmerman doesn't have to wait till his injuries are severe. The severity of Zimmerman's injuries post fight have absolutely dick to do with the legality of his response.

As it stands, his injuries are in line with the expected injuries of someone pinned down and getting struck in the face. To which it's legal in all 50 states to use lethal force in defense.

BronyMedic: All it means is that Zimmerman hit something.


So he injured himself directly before the fight? Because the eyewitnesses certainly didn't see him flailing his head into things afterwards.

BronyMedic: In addition, the attempt by the defense attorney to portray his injuries as more severe than they actually were is a telling indicator that something's not kosher.


No, it means everything with the defense is kosher. That's what defenses do. They act as PR agents as well as legal debaters in the court. Same as how Crumb and family released a pic of Trayvon from 5 years ago to try and paint the picture of a sweet mellow boy who never harmed anyone.

BronyMedic: For all we know, he tripped and fell on the ground. There are no witnesses to the event. Only Martin and Zimmerman.


Uh huh... George tripped and Trayvon, being a good citizen, was helping him up. Uh huh.

BronyMedic: While the injuries SUGGEST his story could be factual, the scene evidence, forensic evidence, and the reconstruction of events do not support his verbatim recollection of the incident.


I again refer you back to the actual evidence and not the evidence you want to believe exists.

BronyMedic: Of course they can.


Yes.. indeed. That's all you had to say. All the "buts" in the world don't matter. Zimmerman had reason to believe his life was in danger.

BronyMedic: If you have someone on the ground, punching them with a bloody face, SOME forensic evidence is going to be transferred to Martin's hands.


Yes, but unlike the show CSI, it's not always picked up. Luckily Trayvon had bruised knuckles. Let me guess... Zimmerman stomped them to create the injury post death.
 
2012-12-04 01:09:17 AM

s2s2s2: Karma Curmudgeon: /I've seen people get their head slammed into to concrete. They looked nothing like George Zimmerman. I've also seen people punched in the nose. They looked exactly like George Zimmerman.

I almost lost my life because I fell(passed out) backward into a cabinet with a fire safety edge on the door.
I have a tiny little scar on the back of my head where the simple fact that I fell backward, and bumped my head severed 4 arteries in my scalp. I nearly bled out before I got to the hospital. I needed 5 pints of blood.


Cool story, bro. How many stitches did Zimmerman need?
 
2012-12-04 01:10:24 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: Hilarious to see all the Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals spin this for their hero Trayvon Martin. What a bunch of Hypocrites

If Trayvon Martin was white...the same Racists/WGLs would be cheering Zimmerman for capping TMs arse.

Just a matter of time before this case is tossed out of court...or the prosecution drops the case. You cannot convict someone just on the racist rantings of Al Sharpton and the New Black KKK...er New Black Panthers.

Or are the prosecutors that dumb to put Chris Serino and "Dee Dee" on the stand? This will be fun


Okay. Your race baiting is noted. Now you can log in as DancingElkCondor and post the exact same thing.
 
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