BronyMedic: Mrbogey: All you Trayvon supporters ONLY support him because he was a black youth killed by a non-black. You don't give a damn about black kids killed by other black kids. You don't care about anything except what you can latch onto to make YOURSELVES look good. This is why the majority of people laugh at you moronic Social Justice Warriors. Your lives are pathetic and you need something to make it worthwhile. Just do the damn dishes and visit grandma at the rest home and stop latching onto the flavor of the month.Or it could be the fact that his story doesn't add up given the evidence, that he was never as badly injured as he claimed (Oh, I can't wait for the EMS field report to come out at trial.), that he repeatedly disobeyed someone giving him advice to say in his vehicle and not pursue someone on foot, and that now one person is dead,
JungleBoogie: 7) Conclusion: I think the bottom line is that Zimmerman had no intent to shoot Martin when he got out of his vehicle. I think it's probably true that Zimmerman was mouthier and bolder than he would have been without the gun. And I think Martin probably thought the best defense was a good offense.
Popcorn Johnny: I still remember when the first grainy photo of Zimmerman at the police station was released and the internet mob was up in arms saying that it proved that Martin hadn't assaulted him.
garkola: Most 911 dispatchers are exactly that: dispatchers. They don't really have any authority, and even if they did you can just hang up the phone and ignore them.
Lionel Mandrake: Are we in a court of law?
Lionel Mandrake: Are you a judge?
BronyMedic: Or it could be the fact that his story doesn't add up given the evidence...
BronyMedic: that he was never as badly injured as he claimed (Oh, I can't wait for the EMS field report to come out at trial.)
BronyMedic: that he repeatedly disobeyed someone giving him advice to say in his vehicle and not pursue someone on foot
BronyMedic: Or it could also be the fact that Zimmerman was known as someone who had anger management, and authority issues, and fancied himself a wannabe cop.
s2s2s2: Karma Curmudgeon: Not logicalWhy not?
Somacandra: you don't do it,
Karma Curmudgeon: Gravity
HBK: You're not a lawyer, are you?
garkola: People seem to think that 911 dispatchers have actual authority."He did it even when 911 told him not to."
I Browse: True, but often times they give very sound and prescient advice...like in this case.
Somacandra: 911 is called to report a crime and to save life or property. When you call 911 and they tell you to do something in the name of the authority and you don't do it, you'd better have a really good reason or you could definitely end up in a lot of trouble. Once you pick up that phone, you are deferring to the public authorities.
s2s2s2: Jim_Callahan: clearlyGood evidence you don't see things "clearly".
s2s2s2: Not to mention there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Zimmerman continued pursuit after the dispatcher's admonition.
mittromneysdog: The issue is what his failure to heed the dispatcher's suggestion
Keizer_Ghidorah: I see the "Trayvon was a n*gger thug who deserved to be executed" crowd is out and about, and they're just as farktarded as ever.
s2s2s2: The broken nose(hospital records, not just an EMT report) is in the record. I guess it could be a conspiracy. Yeah, go with that.
Mrbogey: Finally, the one we are going to talk about more in depth this week is those patients who have Distracting Injuries. You know what I am talking about; those angulated fractures, those more grotesque injuries that make you stop in your tracks and stare. Just because it doesn't look pretty though doesn't mean it needs to be off the scene immediately.What about it? People rarely die from getting their nose broke, true. But that doesn't matter. The argument is that Zimmerman was on his back with his head on the ground and Martin was punching him.
Mrbogey: 2. Can strikes to the head cause injury that can kill?Why yes... yes it can.
Mrbogey: 3. Can someone use lethal force if their life is in danger and they can't flee... why yes... in ALL 50 states a person can kill an assailant who is using force that could reasonably lead to death or extreme injury.Your argument amount to "the injury isn't as bad as it seems ergo...." which is just ridiculous. Nothing has come out to support the Trayvon self-defense argument since this case hit the national news so I can understand the desperation but Zimmerman is going to walk free. Murder II at this rate is an impossibility and Manslaughter is slowly sailing out of sight.
Karma Curmudgeon: Amos Quito: He put a slug in a thug who was trying to beat his brains out.Amos Quito: You underestimate the orgasmic pleasure that asshat doo-gooders derive from calling someone else racists "racist"./if the hoodie fits...
Jim_Callahan: Dispatcher tells you police are on their way, advises against engaging suspect.
Jim_Callahan: When police arrives you've gotten in a damned fist-fight with suspect and one of you is dead.
Jim_Callahan: You proceed to lie about your assets to a judge with access to your bank records at your bail hearing, and don't disclose basic facts or provide testimony to your own lawyers.
Somacandra: There may be something to that---given that there was no DNA foreign to Martin positively identified on his body or clothing. It doesn't really help Mr. Zimmerman's story, though.
s2s2s2: mittromneysdog: The issue is what his failure to heed the dispatcher's suggestionThere is no evidence for your assertion. This shows your willingness to take people's word for it that haven't done even a little research into that portion of the 911 recording.
croesius: "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law", how does that work?It means shut your damn mouths. Who gives a rat's ass if the corpse is black or white? A neighborhood guardian was involved in an altercation with a citizen he was monitoring, and the citizen lost in the ensuing struggle. From here on, it is up to a court, not some armchair experts on race, skittles, and baby-daddying.
s2s2s2: Explain further.
mittromneysdog: make personal
JungleBoogie: LordJiro: And, y'know, he got out of his car to deliberately pursue an unarmed teenager, against the 911 dispatcher's advice. But I'm sure Trayvon just ambushed and assaulted the armed jackass for no good reason. It's not like Zimmerman had a history of aggression issues and paranoia regarding black people or anything.Uh."George Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before he shot Trayvon Martin, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer."I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white," Zimmerman said during a 90-second statement to city commissioners at a community forum. "It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line."http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/23/zimmerman-complained-about-sanf or d-police-in-2011/
Karma Curmudgeon: Martins guts being splayed in every direction
JungleBoogie: Fact: Two guys, keyed up for different reasons, stumbled into each other.Fact: A fight breaks out.Fact: Zimmerman was being beaten.Fact: Zimmerman shot Martin.
UCFRoadWarrior: Hilarious to see all the Black Racists and White Guilt Liberals spin this for their hero Trayvon Martin. What a bunch of HypocritesIf Trayvon Martin was white...the same Racists/WGLs would be cheering Zimmerman for capping TMs arse.Just a matter of time before this case is tossed out of court...or the prosecution drops the case. You cannot convict someone just on the racist rantings of Al Sharpton and the New Black KKK...er New Black Panthers.Or are the prosecutors that dumb to put Chris Serino and "Dee Dee" on the stand? This will be fun
Karma Curmudgeon: /I've seen people get their head slammed into to concrete. They looked nothing like George Zimmerman. I've also seen people punched in the nose. They looked exactly like George Zimmerman.
Amos Quito: Keep farkin' that chicken, BronyMedic. Given your description of your occupation AND the neighborhoods that you claim to service, I should think that you'd be a bit more understanding of the dangers present.Good luck, and godspeed, Ambulad.
Mrbogey: And? Is that gonna get Joe Biden a Trans-Am? Yea, you go and try to run a prosecution based solely on character arguments."Your honor, I know we have no evidence this man is guilty of the crime...but look at him! He's clearly an asshole! C'mon! C'mon... let's teach this asshole a lesson. The prosecution rests."
Mrbogey: Cuts to the back of the head and injuries to the face. I guess you don't know that a person doesn't actually have to wait for serious bodily harm to defend themselves. Oh, I know... right now you're cursing that tricky George Zimmerman for using his hispano-black-jew magic to trick poor Trayvon into knocking him onto the ground and striking him.As long as the EMS field report is in concurrence with the facts that establish Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman striking him in the face against a hard surface... you have nothing. NOTHING. Now if that field report says that Zimmerman used that hispano-black-jew voodoo to conjure up facial injuries that can't be explained by his story (the one that has not deviated from the original story he told) then you have something.
Mrbogey: Here's some advice, don't walk down dark alleys. Now if you should disobey my advice you must accept any negative consequences.Advice is advice... no weight.
Esroc: As far as I'm concerned, it does not matter one lick who started the altercation. Martin was unarmed. Zimmerman escalated what could have been nothing more than a fistfight by pulling out a firearm. Too many people with guns in this country have no self-control and would rather take someones life than just take getting beaten up like a man.
s2s2s2: And a quick listen to the 911 recordings will show that GZ's response was "OK". What evidence do you have that he continued to pursue Trayvon?
s2s2s2: Karma Curmudgeon: Martins guts being splayed in every directionThis did not happen. You watch too many movies.
OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Everyone realizes twayvon was a criminal right? I'm not saying gz was brilliant or anything but he definitely had legal and moral right to kill tway tway.
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Keizer_Ghidorah: I see the "Trayvon was a n*gger thug who deserved to be executed" crowd is out and about, and they're just as farktarded as ever.[motores.com.py image 535x356]
BronyMedic: Oh, God. You're going to make me go to my bookshelf. -sigh-"Obvious, but non-life threatening injuries can distract the Paramedic. These injuries may prevent a Paramedic from doing a more through assessment for more serious problems. Examples include open fractures, and facial bleeding that is profuse." - Page 301, Assessment Based Managment, Mosby's Paramedic Textbook, Third Edition, ISBN:978-0-323-04691-6Zimmerman was offered hospital treatment, and scene transport by Paramedics three times. He continually refused. In addition, scene responders clearly thought his injuries were not life threatening, as they allowed him to be DNT-AMA (Did not transport, Against Medical Advice) on the scene of his own accord.
BronyMedic: All it means is that Zimmerman hit something.
BronyMedic: In addition, the attempt by the defense attorney to portray his injuries as more severe than they actually were is a telling indicator that something's not kosher.
BronyMedic: For all we know, he tripped and fell on the ground. There are no witnesses to the event. Only Martin and Zimmerman.
BronyMedic: While the injuries SUGGEST his story could be factual, the scene evidence, forensic evidence, and the reconstruction of events do not support his verbatim recollection of the incident.
BronyMedic: Of course they can.
BronyMedic: If you have someone on the ground, punching them with a bloody face, SOME forensic evidence is going to be transferred to Martin's hands.
s2s2s2: Karma Curmudgeon: /I've seen people get their head slammed into to concrete. They looked nothing like George Zimmerman. I've also seen people punched in the nose. They looked exactly like George Zimmerman.I almost lost my life because I fell(passed out) backward into a cabinet with a fire safety edge on the door.I have a tiny little scar on the back of my head where the simple fact that I fell backward, and bumped my head severed 4 arteries in my scalp. I nearly bled out before I got to the hospital. I needed 5 pints of blood.
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