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(Orange County Register)   We are Not facing the fiscal cliff because the rich are not paying their fair share. It's because you want too many freebies   (ocregister.com) divider line 505
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2012-12-03 11:32:01 AM  
I just want to loot the system as much as possible before it collapses.

Is that so wrong?
 
2012-12-03 11:33:59 AM  
We already have a more severely redistributive taxation system than Europe


True, but Europe's spending is also progressive. Imagine if the average American middle class family paid zero or near zero for healthcare. Imagine if the average middle class family paid zero or near zero for college tuition. Imagine all that money back into their pockets, and back into our economy driving up aggregate demand.
 
2012-12-03 11:34:14 AM  
Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.
 
2012-12-03 11:37:38 AM  
When rich people get freebies, it's subsidies for job creators. When poor people get freebies, it's ENTITLEMENT.
 
2012-12-03 11:37:55 AM  
Yeah, those free wars were awesome. Please sir, may I have another?
 
2012-12-03 11:39:22 AM  
That's the thing NEITHER side is talking about. Substantial reduction of spending. The Dems don't want to give up their social programs and the Republicans don't want to scale back on the military, Homeland Security or the War on Drugs.
 
2012-12-03 11:40:49 AM  
We've spent $4 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plus thousands killed and tens of thousands injured.
 
2012-12-03 11:40:54 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: We already have a more severely redistributive taxation system than Europe

True, but Europe's spending is also progressive. Imagine if the average American middle class family paid zero or near zero for healthcare. Imagine if the average middle class family paid zero or near zero for college tuition. Imagine all that money back into their pockets, and back into our economy driving up aggregate demand.


That and we have a larger military then all of Europe.
 
2012-12-03 11:41:57 AM  
...the expiry of the deferment of the implementation of the adjustment of the correction of the extension of the reduction to the proposed increase of the Alternative Minimum Growth Sustainability Reduction Rate.

Mark Steyn, you magnificent bastard
 
2012-12-03 11:43:26 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.


Look, we've been told that taxing the rich won't solve all budget problems instantly, so that's clearly off the table. After all, the Republicans have already suggested debt-solving options like removing the funding for NPR and Planned Parenthood.
 
2012-12-03 11:44:14 AM  

vartian: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.

Look, we've been told that taxing the rich won't solve all budget problems instantly, so that's clearly off the table. After all, the Republicans have already suggested debt-solving options like removing the funding for NPR and Planned Parenthood.


Not to mention Pell grants, school lunches, and head start.
 
2012-12-03 11:48:32 AM  
FTFA: We already have a more severely redistributive taxation system than Europe, in which the wealthiest 20 percent of Americans pay 70 percent of income tax while the poorest 20 percent shoulder just three-fifths of 1 percent. By comparison, the Norwegian tax burden is relatively equitably distributed.

Could that be, perhaps, because in Europe wealth and income are more even distributed? In Norway, does the top 10% control 80% of the wealth?

Here's the wealth distribution in the USA v. wealth distribution in Sweden (although, it's facetiously called "Equalden" in the chart):

apt46.net
 
2012-12-03 11:50:44 AM  
Is that why we spend half of the world's military budget?
 
2012-12-03 11:51:39 AM  

vernonFL: We've spent $4 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plus thousands killed and tens of thousands injured.


I had no issue with Afghanistan as 9/11 was staged from there. Had we just gone there we'd likely be finished there by now. Because we were spread so thin and fought the war in the north by proxy, we ended up losing most of the Taliban leadership (as well as Bin Laden). So yeah, it's a waste at this point.
 
2012-12-03 11:53:43 AM  

Koggie: Yeah, those free wars were awesome. Please sir, may I have another?


"I'd like Two Unpaid Wars, please. Oh, and a side of Unregulated Banking Industry. That many calories, really? Okay, just shave off a few with a Frank / Dodd salad. Yeah, go ahead and super-size it. Thanks!"
 
2012-12-03 11:55:08 AM  

doczoidberg: I just want to loot the system as much as possible before it collapses.

Is that so wrong?


Depends. Are you a Goldman Sachs trader? Because then it's just fine.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-03 12:02:03 PM  

GAT_00: Is that why we spend half of the world's military budget?


Yes. If you want tax money spent on tax-payers is what "freebie" means.
 
2012-12-03 12:02:06 PM  
What absolute bullsh*t
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-03 12:02:40 PM  

vpb: GAT_00: Is that why we spend half of the world's military budget?

Yes. If you want tax money spent on tax-payers is what "freebie" means.


Or something.
 
2012-12-03 12:07:53 PM  
We already have a more severely redistributive taxation system than Europe, in which the wealthiest 20 percent of Americans pay 70 percent of income tax while the poorest 20 percent shoulder just three-fifths of 1 percent. By comparison, the Norwegian tax burden is relatively equitably distributed. Yet Obama now wishes "the rich" to pay their "fair share...

I'll make a deal with you, conservative writer.

If the income and wealth disparity in the U.S. reach the same levels as Norway, I'll support a Norwegian-style tax code.

Deal?
 
2012-12-03 12:09:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.


I don't know for a fact. But I'm going to make a crazy guess and say Romney pays a hell of a lot more money than you do.
 
2012-12-03 12:11:06 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't know for a fact. But I'm going to make a crazy guess and say Romney pays a hell of a lot more money than you do.


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2012-12-03 12:13:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.

I don't know for a fact. But I'm going to make a crazy guess and say Romney pays a hell of a lot more money than you do.


Percentages, how the fark do they work? Are you on some kind of special taxation system where you pay a set amount? Because I personally have to pay this thing known as a "percentage".

There's a good article on Wikipedia about it, you should check it out.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-03 12:17:01 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.

I don't know for a fact. But I'm going to make a crazy guess and say Romney pays a hell of a lot more money than you do.


No he doesn't, he only pays 15% IIRC.
 
2012-12-03 12:23:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.

I don't know for a fact. But I'm going to make a crazy guess and say Romney pays a hell of a lot more money than you do.


Any American that pays less dollars in tax than Mitt Romney should be taxed 100% of their income, and then thrown in prison until they can come up with the remainder.
 
2012-12-03 12:26:09 PM  
Fine. Let's end all the "entitlement programs" and let people f*cking die. I'm sick of all of this stupid bullish*t. Who needs Death Panels when all we have to do is let people starve?

America. F*ck yeah.
 
2012-12-03 12:39:42 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: We already have a more severely redistributive taxation system than Europe, in which the wealthiest 20 percent of Americans pay 70 percent of income tax while the poorest 20 percent shoulder just three-fifths of 1 percent. By comparison, the Norwegian tax burden is relatively equitably distributed. Yet Obama now wishes "the rich" to pay their "fair share...

I'll make a deal with you, conservative writer.

If the income and wealth disparity in the U.S. reach the same levels as Norway, I'll support a Norwegian-style tax code.

Deal?


It's a thought provoking point he has. Suppose we've two people, one making $100,000 and the other is $20,000. If was tax them both 10%, that would be $10,000 and $2,000 respectively. In this scenario, the 'rich' guy is paying 83% of the taxes, and is therefore pay well more than his fair share under what I would assume would be Steyn's "logic". Imagine someone who puts less critical thinking into their article than Thomas Sowell, who is, coincidentally, just behind Steyn at the top of the Top 50 Conservative Writers on that there derplog.
 
2012-12-03 12:44:06 PM  

doczoidberg: I just want to loot the system as much as possible before it collapses.

Is that so wrong?


I'm with you, dude. I just need to figure out a way to get unemployment while collecting disability, food stamps, and welfare. If anyone can help me also get into government housing I'd be willing to split my first month's food stamps.
 
2012-12-03 12:50:13 PM  
Again, the populace gets sidelined by argument of the rich paying their fair share rather than the real problem. The farking government spends too damn much money. And it's not a Republican or Democrat issue...it's a U.S. Government issue as BOTH sides are to blame.

/facepalm

You can raise taxes to 90% on everyone above $100k and it's not going to do a damn thing unless BOTH sides can significantly cut spending. Budgets, how do they work?
 
2012-12-03 12:50:53 PM  

Krymson Tyde: doczoidberg: I just want to loot the system as much as possible before it collapses.

Is that so wrong?

I'm with you, dude. I just need to figure out a way to get unemployment while collecting disability, food stamps, and welfare. If anyone can help me also get into government housing I'd be willing to split my first month's food stamps.


You really should consider defense contracting, especially on a cost-plus basis. It's a lot more lucrative.
 
2012-12-03 12:52:42 PM  

slayer199: Again, the populace gets sidelined by argument of the rich paying their fair share rather than the real problem. The farking government spends too damn much money. And it's not a Republican or Democrat issue...it's a U.S. Government issue as BOTH sides are to blame.

/facepalm

You can raise taxes to 90% on everyone above $100k and it's not going to do a damn thing unless BOTH sides can significantly cut spending. Budgets, how do they work?


An industrialized nation's government needs about 20% of GDP to function well, and if I am not mistaken we're well below that. Taxation is also at near historic lows.

Less government spending isn't going to educate our population or fix our crumbling infrastructure.
 
2012-12-03 12:55:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Krymson Tyde: doczoidberg: I just want to loot the system as much as possible before it collapses.

Is that so wrong?

I'm with you, dude. I just need to figure out a way to get unemployment while collecting disability, food stamps, and welfare. If anyone can help me also get into government housing I'd be willing to split my first month's food stamps.

You really should consider defense contracting, especially on a cost-plus basis. It's a lot more lucrative.


I'm too lazy for that. I really just want to stay stoned while having plenty of time for video games. Netflix, and having unlimited funyons.
 
2012-12-03 12:55:54 PM  

sigdiamond2000: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.

I don't know for a fact. But I'm going to make a crazy guess and say Romney pays a hell of a lot more money than you do.

Any American that pays less dollars in tax than Mitt Romney should be taxed 100% of their income, and then thrown in prison until they can come up with the remainder.


Actually, that would be called a flat or fair tax. The only variable is where you set the bar.
 
2012-12-03 12:58:22 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: An industrialized nation's government needs about 20% of GDP to function well, and if I am not mistaken we're well below that. Taxation is also at near historic lows.

Less government spending isn't going to educate our population or fix our crumbling infrastructure.


Yes, and we're currently at 40% of GDP.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/include/us_total_spending_20c.png
 
2012-12-03 12:58:57 PM  
www.usgovernmentspending.com
 
2012-12-03 01:02:12 PM  

eraser8: FTFA: We already have a more severely redistributive taxation system than Europe, in which the wealthiest 20 percent of Americans pay 70 percent of income tax while the poorest 20 percent shoulder just three-fifths of 1 percent. By comparison, the Norwegian tax burden is relatively equitably distributed.

Could that be, perhaps, because in Europe wealth and income are more even distributed? In Norway, does the top 10% control 80% of the wealth?

Here's the wealth distribution in the USA v. wealth distribution in Sweden (although, it's facetiously called "Equalden" in the chart):

[apt46.net image 615x396]



US wealth distribution is much more closely aligned with that of a 3rd world country.
 
2012-12-03 01:02:20 PM  

vpb: No he doesn't, he only pays 15% IIRC.


To be revised down to 9% now that the election is over.
 
2012-12-03 01:05:33 PM  
I really hate how disingenuous the Republicans are. Their disingenuty creates unpleasant thoughts in my head.

We balanced the budget under Clinton and Bush Jr. Spent our surplus into oblivion. Now the Republicans are stamping their feet pouting about social spending the Democrats are pushing for. Ffs. Act like a grown ass adult.
 
2012-12-03 01:08:21 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney pays half of what I pay. Maybe taxing that farker at my rate won't balance the budget, but it would be a start.

I don't know for a fact. But I'm going to make a crazy guess and say Romney pays a hell of a lot more money than you do.


Exactly. And for exactly the same services, I may add.

Hey, if you don't ever have the occasion to use those federally regulated air traffic routes for your private jet, that's on you.
 
2012-12-03 01:10:50 PM  

vernonFL: We've spent $4 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plus thousands killed and tens of thousands injured.


FreedomTM isn't a freebie.
 
2012-12-03 01:13:01 PM  

slayer199: Again, the populace gets sidelined by argument of the rich paying their fair share rather than the real problem. The farking government spends too damn much money. And it's not a Republican or Democrat issue...it's a U.S. Government issue as BOTH sides are to blame.

/facepalm

You can raise taxes to 90% on everyone above $100k and it's not going to do a damn thing unless BOTH sides can significantly cut spending. Budgets, how do they work?


Who are these Democrats that are not calling for spending cuts? Certainly Obama isn't one of them.
 
2012-12-03 01:14:33 PM  
We're facing the fiscal cliff because Republicans are morons.
 
2012-12-03 01:14:33 PM  

vernonFL: We've spent $4 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plus thousands killed and tens of thousands injured.



Probably closer to $6 trillion and more troops have come home to commit suicide than were killed in combat
 
2012-12-03 01:16:00 PM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: vernonFL: We've spent $4 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plus thousands killed and tens of thousands injured.


Probably closer to $6 trillion and more troops have come home to commit suicide than were killed in combat


I didn't think anything could depress me more than Vernon's comment.

Congratulations, I guess.
 
2012-12-03 01:20:54 PM  

Lando Lincoln: We're facing the fiscal cliff because Republicans are morons.


At this point the GOP has to accept that taxes will go up. There's no way around it.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-03 01:25:37 PM  

doyner: vernonFL: We've spent $4 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plus thousands killed and tens of thousands injured.

FreedomTM isn't a freebie.


Yes, we would all be speaking Arabic now if we hadn't invaded Iraq.
 
2012-12-03 01:27:59 PM  

vpb: doyner: vernonFL: We've spent $4 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plus thousands killed and tens of thousands injured.

FreedomTM isn't a freebie.

Yes, we would all be speaking Arabic now if we hadn't invaded Iraq.


Exactly. And I feel a Farsi coming on....
 
2012-12-03 01:32:40 PM  
FTFDerp: "...but did you ever think the difference between America and the cheese-eating surrender monkeys would come down to quibbling over the fine print?"

It's one thing to use that term on the Simpsons, it's another when you're trying to make a rational contribution to our political discourse.

EABOD & DIAF.
 
2012-12-03 01:32:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Who are these Democrats that are not calling for spending cuts? Certainly Obama isn't one of them.


On Libertarian Planet, nobody here on Earth sees the things that need doing, except the liberty-loving few who were blessed with Common Sense®. The sheeple blindly root for their side, but can't see the Truth: both sides are bad.

You just have to accept that 90% of libertarian arguments are prefaced with them being ordained with some sort of special vision that everyone else lacks. 

"Nobody is talking about spending cuts". Lol.
 
2012-12-03 01:33:33 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Imagine someone who puts less critical thinking into their article than Thomas Sowell


*shudder*
 
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