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(Ars Technica)   A look at the evolution of iTunes over twelve years. Yeah... the new version doesn't suck nearly as much now, does it?   (arstechnica.com) divider line 134
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2012-12-03 10:34:07 AM  
iTunes 11 is definitely pretty good. The only complaint I have is with its aesthetics, its UI. Unfortunately, iTunes 11 does not stick to the Aqua UI base and instead has its own. This makes it look a bit out of place. Besides that, everything else is awesome.
 
2012-12-03 10:35:28 AM  
They all suck.

I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

I paid for media, its mine, eff off. And quit suggesting sh*t you think I like, it isn't wanted. If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.
 
2012-12-03 10:40:10 AM  
iTunes is still a dog on Windows, though I understand that it's much better on MacOS. If it wasn't for my iPhone, I wouldn't have it installed.
 
2012-12-03 10:45:06 AM  

delsydsoftware: iTunes is still a dog on Windows, though I understand that it's much better on MacOS. If it wasn't for my iPhone, I wouldn't have it installed.


This ^ ^

Buggy, hogs resources, doesn't always play nicely if you jailbreak, and insists that you install that POS Quicktime when all I'll ever use is VLC.
 
2012-12-03 11:03:58 AM  
iTunes 11 is terrible. Holy moley, is that thing laggy. It would also freeze while syncing. Whoever designed it decided that beta-testing and QC isn't necessary for something that comes out of Apple, I guess.
 
2012-12-03 11:30:17 AM  

RexTalionis: iTunes 11 is terrible. Holy moley, is that thing laggy. It would also freeze while syncing. Whoever designed it decided that beta-testing and QC isn't necessary for something that comes out of Apple, I guess.


Is it just me, or is 2012 the year of Apple high water mark and start of eventual decline?

1) Maps fiasco; executives carnage; leadership in question
2) IOS 6 pulls support for youtube
3) iTunes issues
4) iPad release follies: the "new" ipad came out 2 weeks before the next new ipad, prompting mass returns at stores. Releases out of sync.

Add that to the obvious elephant in the room, the Galaxy / S3 / HTC platforms are all superior and iPhone isnt claiming that title back any time soon.

I just wonder if we're seeing the peak of Apple and inevitable long slide into RIM like irrelevancy.
 
2012-12-03 11:32:40 AM  

Generation_D: RexTalionis: iTunes 11 is terrible. Holy moley, is that thing laggy. It would also freeze while syncing. Whoever designed it decided that beta-testing and QC isn't necessary for something that comes out of Apple, I guess.

Is it just me, or is 2012 the year of Apple high water mark and start of eventual decline?

1) Maps fiasco; executives carnage; leadership in question
2) IOS 6 pulls support for youtube
3) iTunes issues
4) iPad release follies: the "new" ipad came out 2 weeks before the next new ipad, prompting mass returns at stores. Releases out of sync.

Add that to the obvious elephant in the room, the Galaxy / S3 / HTC platforms are all superior and iPhone isnt claiming that title back any time soon.

I just wonder if we're seeing the peak of Apple and inevitable long slide into RIM like irrelevancy.


I don't think Apple is going into a decline. People are still going to buy their products (and especially since they are able to command margins higher than any other manufacturer as a "premium brand") by the millions. I think Apple will no longer be as dominant as it has been within the phone and tablet market, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's in decline just yet.
 
2012-12-03 11:36:01 AM  
www.atpm.com

It tries to do too much now. It's predecessor was much better, IMHO.
 
2012-12-03 12:06:06 PM  

Generation_D: They all suck.

I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

I paid for media, its mine, eff off. And quit suggesting sh*t you think I like, it isn't wanted. If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.


YOU GO!!

And it's slow as fark and crashes more than a drunk blonde female driver!
 
2012-12-03 12:47:08 PM  
I've used Winamp for the past 15 years and will continue to use it until they pry it from my cold dead hands.
 
2012-12-03 01:31:38 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: I've used Winamp for the past 15 years and will continue to use it until they pry it from my cold dead hands.


It really whips the llama's ass!
 
2012-12-03 01:32:10 PM  
that EULA will get you though
 
2012-12-03 01:36:16 PM  
does it still kill your windows machine performance? Its a resource hog. It has always been great on Macs, but not on Windows machines.
 
2012-12-03 01:38:21 PM  

moistD: does it still kill your windows machine performance? Its a resource hog. It has always been great on Macs, but not on Windows machines.


It's still an awful, awful windows program.
 
2012-12-03 01:40:29 PM  
I remember steadily avoiding iTunes back in the day because of it being a resource hog back in the day -- back when you had to be really economical about how tasks you had running.
 
2012-12-03 01:45:29 PM  
There is only one media player I have used since I was in college. Foobar2000, all the program is, is a simple media player. Uses little resources and plays flac files no problem
 
2012-12-03 01:46:04 PM  
Yes, it does, subby. All these years later, and it's even more bloated, even more slow, and all kinds of "features" have crept in.
 
2012-12-03 01:46:25 PM  
Why does it still require a restart in Windows 7 90% of the software I install these days no longer requires a restart.
 
2012-12-03 01:46:34 PM  
Is there a way to change the search bar back to just displaying the results in the main list? The little drop down preview list that comes up under the search bar is laggy as hell.
 
2012-12-03 01:53:10 PM  

Friskya: [www.atpm.com image 307x302]

It tries to do too much now. It's predecessor was much better, IMHO.


Agreed, but Audion was even better than that.
 
2012-12-03 01:53:11 PM  

Friskya: [www.atpm.com image 307x302]

It tries to do too much now. It's predecessor was much better, IMHO.


Ah, so I'm not the only SoundJam MP user who was annoyed to see it get borged by Apple and still hold a grudge. Excellent.
 
2012-12-03 01:57:10 PM  
I remember being able to use myTunes to grab songs from other people in my dorm with shared playlists.
 
2012-12-03 01:59:29 PM  

mr.doctor: There is only one media player I have used since I was in college. Foobar2000, all the program is, is a simple media player. Uses little resources and plays flac files no problem


QFT. Foobar is the clear winner for Windows. Plays fine with IPODs (160g classics anyway, which is all I've tried) as well.
 
2012-12-03 02:02:00 PM  

delsydsoftware: iTunes is still a dog on Windows, though I understand that it's much better on MacOS. If it wasn't for my iPhone, I wouldn't have it installed.


Pretty much; even the podcasts I d/l I play through WMP now.
 
2012-12-03 02:02:23 PM  
Had to revert back to 10.7 after 11 stopped detecting my Bluray drive. Plus I really love cover flow. As corny as it sounds.
 
2012-12-03 02:05:12 PM  

Generation_D: They all suck.

I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

I paid for media, its mine, eff off. And quit suggesting sh*t you think I like, it isn't wanted. If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.


That is a beautiful way of describing it.
 
2012-12-03 02:05:27 PM  
Amazon MP3 - nuff said.
 
2012-12-03 02:05:29 PM  

redmond24: I remember steadily avoiding iTunes back in the day because of it being a resource hog back in the day -- back when you had to be really economical about how tasks you had running.


I know what you mean. I habitually check my system resources in spite of having 16GB of RAM and probably never needing to look at it.

iTunes still sucks, though.
 
2012-12-03 02:08:50 PM  

delsydsoftware: iTunes is still a dog on Windows, though I understand that it's much better on MacOS. If it wasn't for my iPhone, I wouldn't have it installed.


RexTalionis: iTunes 11 is terrible. Holy moley, is that thing laggy. It would also freeze while syncing. Whoever designed it decided that beta-testing and QC isn't necessary for something that comes out of Apple, I guess.


Really? I have iTunes 11 on Windows and I think it runs fine, much better than older versions. Granted I have a higher end PC so maybe I'm not getting the full experience, I dunno.
 
2012-12-03 02:10:28 PM  

Generation_D: They all suck.

I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

I paid for media, its mine, eff off. And quit suggesting sh*t you think I like, it isn't wanted. If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.


Try a Walkman. It plays MP3s, video, has an FM receiver, and digital recorder. No software needed to copy music and video to it (at least as far as Windows is concerned). Just plug it in and copy/paste via Widows Explorer.
 
2012-12-03 02:10:30 PM  

Treygreen13: redmond24: I remember steadily avoiding iTunes back in the day because of it being a resource hog back in the day -- back when you had to be really economical about how tasks you had running.

I know what you mean. I habitually check my system resources in spite of having 16GB of RAM and probably never needing to look at it.

iTunes still sucks, though.


This; I rather have WMP than iTunes on my taskbar while I'm doing something else. WMP is simply easier to look at whatever's playing just by hovering over it on the taskbar. Whereas iTunes you have to maximize to see what's playing.

I wish VLC could do that; really like it but a) no taskbar function, it'll minimize to the system tray and b) won't respond to the media controls on my keyboard, like WMP and iTunes does.
 
2012-12-03 02:11:21 PM  

Generation_D: RexTalionis: iTunes 11 is terrible. Holy moley, is that thing laggy. It would also freeze while syncing. Whoever designed it decided that beta-testing and QC isn't necessary for something that comes out of Apple, I guess.

Is it just me, or is 2012 the year of Apple high water mark and start of eventual decline?

1) Maps fiasco; executives carnage; leadership in question
2) IOS 6 pulls support for youtube
3) iTunes issues
4) iPad release follies: the "new" ipad came out 2 weeks before the next new ipad, prompting mass returns at stores. Releases out of sync.

Add that to the obvious elephant in the room, the Galaxy / S3 / HTC platforms are all superior and iPhone isnt claiming that title back any time soon.

I just wonder if we're seeing the peak of Apple and inevitable long slide into RIM like irrelevancy.


I doubt they'll ever be THAT irrelevant, but with their golden boy now six feet under, yes, Apple has begun to fark up in pretty basic areas.
 
2012-12-03 02:20:35 PM  
Reminds me... I need to have a word with the interface designers at Amazon. When I'm clicking through the TV prime listings I don't need to see that you have each season of a series that you have in standard and HD. You should only be showing a list of series, not seasons.
 
2012-12-03 02:34:41 PM  
Tried itunes years back; was looking to alternatives to WMP/winamp for playing music (both cd's and mp3's) on my computer at work.

Never mind the requiring of setting up an itunes account, complete with a credit card number, just so itunes would lookup album information for cd's you play (wmp and winamp would do this without any sort of account, much less having to give them your credit card number)... When you uninstalled itunes, it would leave shiat behind still running.

Freaking itunes would leave multiple programs and services running when you boot up EVEN IF YOU UNINSTALL ITUNES.

THAT makes it a virus, frankly.
 
2012-12-03 02:38:29 PM  
I have zero reason to use iTunes, so I do not, but when I gave it a try upon its release I hated it. Have been glad ever since that I don't have any Apple products and thus be forced to use it.
 
2012-12-03 02:43:23 PM  

Marine1: Generation_D: RexTalionis: iTunes 11 is terrible. Holy moley, is that thing laggy. It would also freeze while syncing. Whoever designed it decided that beta-testing and QC isn't necessary for something that comes out of Apple, I guess.

Is it just me, or is 2012 the year of Apple high water mark and start of eventual decline?

1) Maps fiasco; executives carnage; leadership in question
2) IOS 6 pulls support for youtube
3) iTunes issues
4) iPad release follies: the "new" ipad came out 2 weeks before the next new ipad, prompting mass returns at stores. Releases out of sync.

Add that to the obvious elephant in the room, the Galaxy / S3 / HTC platforms are all superior and iPhone isnt claiming that title back any time soon.

I just wonder if we're seeing the peak of Apple and inevitable long slide into RIM like irrelevancy.

I doubt they'll ever be THAT irrelevant, but with their golden boy now six feet under, yes, Apple has begun to fark up in pretty basic areas.


True. I've never really liked Apple, but I do own 2 iPods and use iTunes as my media player.
Jobs had a lot of visionary ideas, and he could make people like the ideas that weren't so good. Without him, Apple is going to need to be on their A game for quite a while. And so far, it doesn't quite look like they are.
 
2012-12-03 02:47:00 PM  
It's just an awful, awful piece of software.
 
2012-12-03 02:47:04 PM  
Yes. It sucks.

Unless you can tell me they dropped SYNCH to a single PC at a time in favor of drag/drop.
Can you tell me that? Cause I did not use it yet after 11.
Bet you can't tell me that.
iTunes SUCKS.
 
2012-12-03 02:51:30 PM  
I just want early Sabbath, I'll suffer the horrible UI to get it!
 
2012-12-03 02:52:21 PM  

Rahsa Naba Doe-ah Gola Wookiee Nipple Pinchy: Generation_D: They all suck.

I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

I paid for media, its mine, eff off. And quit suggesting sh*t you think I like, it isn't wanted. If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.

Try a Walkman. It plays MP3s, video, has an FM receiver, and digital recorder. No software needed to copy music and video to it (at least as far as Windows is concerned). Just plug it in and copy/paste via Widows Explorer.


I feel dirty saying it, but I got a Sony phone and I really love the Walkman app. It's the easiest, slickest music player on a phone I've seen.
 
2012-12-03 02:53:34 PM  
iTunes - 77 MB
VLC - 38 MB
WMP11 - 25 MB
Winamp - 11 MB
foobar - 3 MB
MPC - 1 MB


iTunes - "1 MB smaller than 5 better media players combined"
 
2012-12-03 02:55:23 PM  

ProfessorOhki: iTunes - 77 MB
VLC - 38 MB
WMP11 - 25 MB
Winamp - 11 MB
foobar - 3 MB
MPC - 1 MB


iTunes - "1 MB smaller than 5 better media players combined"


Plus, a whole roster of unnecessary processes to go along with it!
 
2012-12-03 02:58:25 PM  

Treygreen13: ProfessorOhki: iTunes - 77 MB
VLC - 38 MB
WMP11 - 25 MB
Winamp - 11 MB
foobar - 3 MB
MPC - 1 MB


iTunes - "1 MB smaller than 5 better media players combined"

Plus, a whole roster of unnecessary processes to go along with it!


But without the QuickTimeVR plugin, how will I enjoy Web 1.5?!

/No idea if still actually supported
 
2012-12-03 02:59:53 PM  

Treygreen13: Plus, a whole roster of unnecessary processes to go along with it!


That won't be removed from your system when you uninstall Itunes!
 
2012-12-03 03:03:28 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: I've used Winamp for the past 15 years and will continue to use it until they pry it from my cold dead hands.


QFT. Winamp is still loaded on every PC I own. Drop and drag into the playlist and you are good to go. No load issues, lockups, quirks or QuickTime installs.
 
2012-12-03 03:06:30 PM  
iTunes users give the concept of free will a bad name.
 
2012-12-03 03:06:33 PM  
It's still the slowest, most bloated POS there is. I hate it. Best thing I ever did was get rid of the iphone and get an android phone. Goodbye, iTunes!
 
2012-12-03 03:08:17 PM  

Icetech3: I don't see any option to sort music by folders..... seems apple can't get that concept down..


"Folder?!" Get your technical nonsense out of here. This is an application for your everyday user; not for elitists with a PhD in nerdology!
 
2012-12-03 03:13:58 PM  
Foobar.
 
2012-12-03 03:24:36 PM  
Apple dropped support for Mac OS X 10.5 ... But still supports Windows XP.

/Can't wait to get a new Mac
 
2012-12-03 03:28:35 PM  
Yeah, those all look like the exact same screenshot.

Apple was no doubt a pioneer. They had that great look way back when. But it's very apparent they're stuffy and old. They really need to change it up.
 
2012-12-03 03:29:38 PM  

Aar1012: Apple dropped support for Mac OS X 10.5 ... But still supports Windows XP.

/Can't wait to get a new Mac



They do have a vested interest in getting people off 10.5.
 
2012-12-03 03:30:29 PM  
Add me to the group that thinks that iTunes is a POS that I begrudgingly accept just because I have an iPod.
 
2012-12-03 03:35:02 PM  
Fark itunes. I don't even remember the last time I updated my phone because I refuse to use that piece of shiat software and all of its locked down proprietary bullshiat. The last time I even tried was when I wanted to update my music list before going on a trip. All I wanted to do was to add a couple albums off of my computer, but I couldn't do that without first syncing the phone and wiping all of its music files from another computer that I no longer had access to due to a harddrive crash. I ended up having to search around for some jailbreak software that I could use to pull the music off of the phone before I synced it. I came away solidly with the belief that if your software requires its user to find a third party workaround in order to gain full use of their product then you have utterly failed as a company.
 
2012-12-03 03:45:37 PM  
Wait, iTunes now looks like Zune's software?

cdn.arstechnica.net
vs
shadowsillusion.com 

I'm so glad I can use Floola with my tiny ipod shuffle.
 
2012-12-03 03:47:51 PM  

moothemagiccow: that EULA will get you though


From the Apple EULA: "You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, missiles, or chemical or biological weapons."

WTF??

If I can't make nuclear weapons with iTunes, apple can eat a bag of D's.

Source: http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/appstore/dev/stdeula/
 
2012-12-03 03:52:09 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: I've used Winamp for the past 15 years and will continue to use it until they pry it from my cold dead hands.


I'll be sure to steer clear of your lawn.
 
2012-12-03 03:52:36 PM  
I think the new itunes design looks pretty slick, but it lags so damn much when you go to actually use it. I didn't exactly steal my computer from NASA, but i feel it's still a pretty respectable machine and it seems ridiculous to me that itunes should feel so sluggish. If it wasn't for the genius feature, I'd have ditched it a long time ago.

Also, they straight up removed itunes DJ and just kind of half baked it into the "up next" feature, which is just all kinds of counter-intuitive.
 
2012-12-03 03:56:47 PM  
Is this the thread wherein people point out that, Winamp, Foobar, hell even WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER are far better at playing and managing music collections?
 
2012-12-03 03:58:35 PM  

boozehat: moothemagiccow: that EULA will get you though

From the Apple EULA: "You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, missiles, or chemical or biological weapons."

WTF??

If I can't make nuclear weapons with iTunes, apple can eat a bag of D's.

Source: http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/appstore/dev/stdeula/


That seems misworded somehow.... how does one "produce nuclear." I mean, I guess you could read it the other way, but then it's "missiles weapons," which is also pretty stupid. You'd think with as many lawyers as Apple has, one of them would proofread the thing.
 
2012-12-03 04:07:18 PM  
Yep. I Rockbox all my music players, and Winamp seems to work just fine. Why use anything else when I already have a program that has the features I want, works how I expect. Sure, every version asks me to install the Ask.com toolbar, but that's it, and it's easy to uncheck.

I've had to fix computers that still had the itunes remenants on them, months after uninstalling itunes. no thanks on letting that near my system.
 
2012-12-03 04:20:13 PM  
I haven't noticed any real advantage to the new itunes 11. I finally figured out how to get my sidebar back. but 10.332,129 seemed fine to me.

/lawn, remove yourself
 
2012-12-03 04:22:05 PM  
Suck Differently.
 
2012-12-03 04:35:22 PM  

delsydsoftware: iTunes is still a dog on Windows, though I understand that it's much better on MacOS. If it wasn't for my iPhone, I wouldn't have it installed.


It sucks. What a PIG, man.
 
2012-12-03 04:43:43 PM  

ProfessorOhki: boozehat: moothemagiccow: that EULA will get you though

From the Apple EULA: "You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, missiles, or chemical or biological weapons."

WTF??

If I can't make nuclear weapons with iTunes, apple can eat a bag of D's.

Source: http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/appstore/dev/stdeula/

That seems misworded somehow.... how does one "produce nuclear." I mean, I guess you could read it the other way, but then it's "missiles weapons," which is also pretty stupid. You'd think with as many lawyers as Apple has, one of them would proofread the thing.


It's fine. You just have to understand that the iComma only works with Apple words.
 
2012-12-03 04:49:29 PM  
iTunes is a buggy, bloated, crashy pile of shiate and always has been.

My mother has an iPod Touch; Putting music on the damn thing drove me near crazy, because iTunes is just...shiate.

/I guess I'm a bit odd for liking Windows Media Player and using it as my primary
//It just works, has everything laid out intuitively, and has a nicer search feature
///VLC for video of course
 
2012-12-03 04:57:40 PM  

Lexx: Is this the thread wherein people point out that, Winamp, Foobar, hell even WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER are far better at playing and managing music collections?


Yup, we've covered those already
 
2012-12-03 05:02:38 PM  
iTunes may ne the main reason I don't have anything Apple.
 
2012-12-03 05:10:45 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Lexx: Is this the thread wherein people point out that, Winamp, Foobar, hell even WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER are far better at playing and managing music collections?

Yup, we've covered those already


And the saddest thing about iTunes (from personal experience): WMA lossless sounds better than any of iTunes' lossless formats. Not sure if it's iTunes that sucks the life out of the format or the format itself that sucks balls.
 
2012-12-03 05:11:31 PM  
Is this where the people who haven't used iTunes in five years tell us how crappy the new version is? Don't forget to prattle on about DRM, even though that's been gone for years.
 
2012-12-03 05:15:36 PM  

Humorous-Name: iTunes is a buggy, bloated, crashy pile of shiate and always has been.

My mother has an iPod Touch; Putting music on the damn thing drove me near crazy, because iTunes is just...shiate.

/I guess I'm a bit odd for liking Windows Media Player and using it as my primary
//It just works, has everything laid out intuitively, and has a nicer search feature
///VLC for video of course


You're not the only one. For some reason WMP seems to like making your music collection easy to search and find.
 
2012-12-03 05:16:21 PM  

sure haven't: Yeah, those all look like the exact same screenshot.

Apple was no doubt a pioneer. They had that great look way back when. But it's very apparent they're stuffy and old. They really need to change it up.


Shizzle, look at the iPhone's UI. It may have been revolutionary 5 years ago when it came out, but now it's boring.

Sterile.

A plain grid of icons.

No widgets, tiles, live wallpapers or other fun stuff to freshen things up.

Blech.
 
2012-12-03 05:26:12 PM  

bingethinker: Is this where the people who haven't used iTunes in five years tell us how crappy the new version is? Don't forget to prattle on about DRM, even though that's been gone for years.


I have the newest version - the most updated it can be. I have an iPhone so iTunes is sort of a requirement.

It still blows. Deal with it.
 
2012-12-03 05:30:41 PM  
I farking hate iTunes. It does a very poor job of updating its library whenever you move the files around. It doesn't clean out duplicate songs. It doesn't clean out missing songs. It doesn't tag songs for you. In the past, it couldn't even sync to your devices in a logical and intuitive way, but that's gotten better in recent versions.

I'm almost tempted to try iTunes Match because it's supposed to take care of all these problems by uploading your whole collection to the cloud and replace them with better quality versions, and then you can just delete/move out your original collection and then re-download the updated/consolidated songs from the cloud.

But I don't know. I'm just surprised that it's taking so long for anyone to come up with a decent MP3 organizer, and iTunes still isn't close to what it could be.
 
2012-12-03 05:32:37 PM  

eltejon: iTunes may ne the main reason I don't have anything Apple.


This... and the fact that I find Apple stuff barely average in quality, nor believe in the companies practices, and the fact that it turns people into douchebags to moment anything about electronics are mentioned, and the other fact that they'll find a way to bring up that they have Apple stuff no matter what the topic of conversation is.
 
2012-12-03 05:34:49 PM  
Just got a SanDisk Zip to replace my old iPod. It's great because it just shows up in Windows as an external device, drag your music over [in M4A or FLAC or Vorbis or MP3] and it's done. No software installs, no fuss. It also supports ReplayGain, which is great for those of us who don't want to scramble at the volume knob every time the song changes.

That's the kind of shiat that irks me about iTunes: Why do they refuse to support even OGG playback? Or ReplayGain? It's just absurd.

And as far as playing on the computer goes, foobar2000 is the bee's knees. Plays every format known to man and uses very few resources.
 
2012-12-03 05:40:16 PM  

bingethinker: Is this where the people who haven't used iTunes in five years tell us how crappy the new version is? Don't forget to prattle on about DRM, even though that's been gone for years.


Nobody but you mentioned DRM. This is actually the thread where various people from very different walks of life agree that iTunes sucks for a myriad of reasons.
 
2012-12-03 05:41:38 PM  

bingethinker: DRM


Actually yours is the Boobies this whole thread to mention the word "DRM". Do you do anything beyond prattle on about being a fanboy?

/act your age too grandpa
 
2012-12-03 05:43:42 PM  
I'd wager itunes for Windows basically made the ipod the major success it is today. Giving windows users an easy, fast, and highly visible way to buy music, rather then rip and burn or pirate, was a huge thing.

After that, it seems the rios and such just sort of died. They couldn't play your itunes music, so why bother?

The massive downside was the DRM. You couldn't buy one song then give it to your friends or transfer to non apple devices. It locked a lot of people into apple only devices for music, and later, phones.
 
2012-12-03 05:52:57 PM  

The Banana Thug: I farking hate iTunes. It does a very poor job of updating its library whenever you move the files around. It doesn't clean out duplicate songs. It doesn't clean out missing songs. It doesn't tag songs for you. In the past, it couldn't even sync to your devices in a logical and intuitive way, but that's gotten better in recent versions.

I'm almost tempted to try iTunes Match because it's supposed to take care of all these problems by uploading your whole collection to the cloud and replace them with better quality versions, and then you can just delete/move out your original collection and then re-download the updated/consolidated songs from the cloud.

But I don't know. I'm just surprised that it's taking so long for anyone to come up with a decent MP3 organizer, and iTunes still isn't close to what it could be.


I've been using iTunes Match for almost a year now.

Good:

A lot of my music came from other sources (friends, family, etc) and I've moved it from machine to machine to machine. I had so many different versions of different software used to rip the stuff (and including time) that degraded the files. iTunes Match gave me a nice, quality copy of those songs which has made a huge difference in sound.

I have two machines, wife has two machines, and father-in-law has one machine. We love exchanging music discoveries with the f-i-l, back and forth. Before we had to wait until we went over there before doing so; now that we're all under the same Match account we just send each other an email or pick up the phone and say, "Hey, album x by artist y is on iTunes. Check it out." Then we're done. We just download the music from Cloud and we all have it on every machine.

If the song or album is part of the "Mastered for iTunes" series (more and more are) you will get that version. It's a version of the song made specifically for iTunes and iPod/iPhone type devices that has, in my non-anal non-audiophile opinion a richer sound.


Bad:

If there are two versions of an album, Clean and Explicit, you might get the clean version. This happens a lot with Eminem's catalog and a few other artists I have. There is, as of yet, no way to set that you want the Explicit version, and this is something I wish Apple would implement. Delete explicit songs with caution.

Oldies are a pain sometimes too. You have one version that you love, then decide to match it. You might get a re-recorded version, you might get a different recording, you might get a live version. There are so many people out there that have rights to different versions of the songs that it's a crapshoot.

Match does NOT fix your tags, unfortunately. It keeps the tags you have.

It only matches songs 128kbps and higher. Anything you may have downloaded from the net at a lower rate will not match unless you reencode (outside of iTunes) to 128kbps or higher.


I do have a system for dealing with the explicit and Oldies issues. It takes a bit of time but worth it: Empty your Trash/Recycle Bin. Start deleting, song by song, the songs you want matched. Listen to the Matched version to make sure it is the same; curses and version. If it is, empty your trash. If it isn't, delete the new version from iTunes and the Cloud, then reimport the version sitting in your trash. A bit involved if you have a lot of music but it takes the guess work and disappointment out of it all.


Otherwise, I've enjoyed it and will re-up in January.
 
2012-12-03 05:56:05 PM  

Treygreen13: bingethinker: Is this where the people who haven't used iTunes in five years tell us how crappy the new version is? Don't forget to prattle on about DRM, even though that's been gone for years.

I have the newest version - the most updated it can be. I have an iPhone so iTunes is sort of a requirement.

It still blows. Deal with it.



Yep. I've owned a variety of Apple products, as does my wife. iTunes just sucks--and I love my iPhone. I'm convinced at this point, the iTunes department just doesn't give a fark and has no oversight or accountability.
 
2012-12-03 06:11:41 PM  
If you're on a mac, Itunes is pretty fantastic. On PC, it's horrible. That's just it. The new version is markedly better than the last few have been. The one thing I hate about it, is if I drag an album with a playlist into it, the songs will show up twice. Wish they would fix that.
 
2012-12-03 06:15:26 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Foobar.


Indeed. This is all you need.
 
2012-12-03 06:21:17 PM  
No coverflow = no upgrade.
 
2012-12-03 06:23:11 PM  

spidermann: I've been using iTunes Match for almost a year now.

Good:

A lot of my music came from other sources (friends, family, etc)...


Thanks! That's all useful to know. I'm somewhat leaning towards iTunes Match, but yea the not-tagging thing kills me and don't like how it all comes back as AAC files instead of MP3s. Maybe that's supposed to sound better, I don't know, but I generally hate propriety formats. And if the whole library gets moved up to the cloud and you don't re-up annually, then... *POOF*.
 
2012-12-03 06:35:10 PM  

eltejon: iTunes may ne the main reason I don't have anything Apple.


Smart man. I wish I had been so wise before wasting a ton of money on an overpriced ipod a few years back. At least it died after about 6 months so I didn't have to use that pos any more.

/iTunes is proof that Apple users are retarded
 
2012-12-03 06:38:25 PM  

The Banana Thug: I farking hate iTunes. It does a very poor job of updating its library whenever you move the files around. It doesn't clean out duplicate songs. It doesn't clean out missing songs. It doesn't tag songs for you. In the past, it couldn't even sync to your devices in a logical and intuitive way, but that's gotten better in recent versions.

I'm almost tempted to try iTunes Match because it's supposed to take care of all these problems by uploading your whole collection to the cloud and replace them with better quality versions, and then you can just delete/move out your original collection and then re-download the updated/consolidated songs from the cloud.

But I don't know. I'm just surprised that it's taking so long for anyone to come up with a decent MP3 organizer, and iTunes still isn't close to what it could be.


The problem is not everyone follows a standard folder or tag naming convention, and many CDs are ripped with incorrect data. The result is that you can't even trust the file names to be accurate.

So you either trust the files and folders, the tags, or a pre built database. Then one person moves a folder or retags a file or refreshes the DB with a drive disconnected...

Its not that there isn't a good way to do things, its that there are so many ways to break it...
 
2012-12-03 06:39:23 PM  

The Banana Thug: spidermann: I've been using iTunes Match for almost a year now.

Good:

A lot of my music came from other sources (friends, family, etc)...

Thanks! That's all useful to know. I'm somewhat leaning towards iTunes Match, but yea the not-tagging thing kills me and don't like how it all comes back as AAC files instead of MP3s. Maybe that's supposed to sound better, I don't know, but I generally hate propriety formats. And if the whole library gets moved up to the cloud and you don't re-up annually, then... *POOF*.


AAC isn't proprietary. It plays on almost all devices.

More


Also, when you don't reup? You keep the music. It doesn't disappear, even the Matched versions. You just have to keep a local copy, such as on an ext hdd. If you leave it ALL in Cloud, then yeah... it'll disappear.
 
2012-12-03 06:40:19 PM  

TheAgeOfEgos: Treygreen13: bingethinker: Is this where the people who haven't used iTunes in five years tell us how crappy the new version is? Don't forget to prattle on about DRM, even though that's been gone for years.

I have the newest version - the most updated it can be. I have an iPhone so iTunes is sort of a requirement.

It still blows. Deal with it.


Yep. I've owned a variety of Apple products, as does my wife. iTunes just sucks--and I love my iPhone. I'm convinced at this point, the iTunes department just doesn't give a fark and has no oversight or accountability.


Lack of iTunes was a selling point for me when I switched to an android.
 
2012-12-03 06:41:03 PM  

Poorlytoldjoke: If you're on a mac, Itunes is pretty fantastic. On PC, it's horrible. That's just it. The new version is markedly better than the last few have been. The one thing I hate about it, is if I drag an album with a playlist into it, the songs will show up twice. Wish they would fix that.


I use a Mac and I find iTunes to be very much kind of crappy, but usable. If I had a better way to sync my iPods (I love the shuffles) I'd use that instead.
 
2012-12-03 06:41:38 PM  

Antimatter: I'd wager itunes for Windows basically made the ipod the major success it is today. Giving windows users an easy, fast, and highly visible way to buy music, rather then rip and burn or pirate, was a huge thing.

After that, it seems the rios and such just sort of died. They couldn't play your itunes music, so why bother?

The massive downside was the DRM. You couldn't buy one song then give it to your friends or transfer to non apple devices. It locked a lot of people into apple only devices for music, and later, phones.


Exactly. Make your proprietary DRM work on many platforms (which is only possible because the other platforms are more open), kill the HW competition, remove DRM. You lock people in just long enough that they get used to it; then you remove the lock. You get people who have never known anything else talking about how "iTunes is DRM-free!" and you get to run the other MP3 manufacturers into the ground. Pretty well played on their part, really.
 
2012-12-03 07:38:26 PM  
Thanks to itunes, I will never install a piece of Apple software on a computer again.

Also, why does Quicktime still exist? Now that's a piece of software I haven't needed in years.
 
2012-12-03 07:59:55 PM  
I'm not thrilled with the new look, but I will say one thing: I'm so happy they put back in the ability to put your mouse over the volume slider and then use the scroll wheel to change volume. For some reason, they'd removed that from the last version after having it for a very long time before that.

Other than that, I'm pretty ambivalent about it. I'll get over it, I'm sure.
 
2012-12-03 08:02:02 PM  
I have iTunes on a Windows 7 machine, mainly for managing my iPod. It does okay.
 
2012-12-03 08:29:20 PM  

bingethinker: Is this where the people who haven't used iTunes in five years tell us how crappy the new version is? Don't forget to prattle on about DRM, even though that's been gone for years.


Oh, is that why I can't transfer my songs off my iphone without downloading a third party app to do it for me?
 
2012-12-03 09:23:57 PM  

PsyLord


Add me to the group that thinks that iTunes is a POS that I begrudgingly accept just because I have an iPod.


If you have a "shuffle", this is an easy alternative Link
Make a /music folder on your shuffle, drag 'n drop files to that folder then run a quick sync- script and you're good to go.
 
2012-12-03 09:24:28 PM  

The Banana Thug: spidermann: I've been using iTunes Match for almost a year now.

Good:

A lot of my music came from other sources (friends, family, etc)...

Thanks! That's all useful to know. I'm somewhat leaning towards iTunes Match, but yea the not-tagging thing kills me and don't like how it all comes back as AAC files instead of MP3s. Maybe that's supposed to sound better, I don't know, but I generally hate propriety formats. And if the whole library gets moved up to the cloud and you don't re-up annually, then... *POOF*.


Having used iTunes, Amazon and Google music matching services, iTunes has a far higher success rate on my music. Yes, it's dearer than the other two, and it only works well with iPhone, but even as an Android user, I'll be sticking with it.

Back to the topic of iTunes 11 suckage tho. The problem I'm having is for some reason the sound suddenly drops in volume, and only a restart of iTunes fixes it. Other that, I'm not minding iTunes 11. It uses more resources than a media player should, and the new interface takes some getting used to, but on the whole it's alright.
 
jde
2012-12-03 09:26:56 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: I have iTunes on a Windows 7 machine, mainly for managing my iPod. It does okay.


Conversely, I find myself being forced to reformat/restore my Touch 4th-gen every 2-3 weeks because iTunes doesn't recognize it to sync.

Not impressed by that undocumented feature...
 
2012-12-03 09:30:53 PM  

TheManWho: The problem I'm having is for some reason the sound suddenly drops in volume, and only a restart of iTunes fixes it.


Is this on Windows 7? Because I notice this happening in VLC whenever I connect or disconnect my iPhone. If so, you may also be able to fix the problem by right-clicking volume in your task bar and opening the mixer. In that, there should be a volume control for each application you have open, and so you should be able to turn the volume back up for any affected programs.

Assuming this is the same thing happening to you, yeah, it is annoying.
 
2012-12-03 09:40:27 PM  

NateAsbestos: Just got a SanDisk Zip to replace my old iPod. It's great because it just shows up in Windows as an external device, drag your music over [in M4A or FLAC or Vorbis or MP3] and it's done. No software installs, no fuss. It also supports ReplayGain, which is great for those of us who don't want to scramble at the volume knob every time the song changes.

That's the kind of shiat that irks me about iTunes: Why do they refuse to support even OGG playback? Or ReplayGain? It's just absurd.

And as far as playing on the computer goes, foobar2000 is the bee's knees. Plays every format known to man and uses very few resources.


Boy I really...REALLY wanted to like foobar2000 but the GUI turned me off.
 
2012-12-03 10:11:38 PM  

Rwa2play: NateAsbestos: Just got a SanDisk Zip to replace my old iPod. It's great because it just shows up in Windows as an external device, drag your music over [in M4A or FLAC or Vorbis or MP3] and it's done. No software installs, no fuss. It also supports ReplayGain, which is great for those of us who don't want to scramble at the volume knob every time the song changes.

That's the kind of shiat that irks me about iTunes: Why do they refuse to support even OGG playback? Or ReplayGain? It's just absurd.

And as far as playing on the computer goes, foobar2000 is the bee's knees. Plays every format known to man and uses very few resources.

Boy I really...REALLY wanted to like foobar2000 but the GUI turned me off.


It's not pretty, no, but it's perfectly functional. I like it precisely BECAUSE I don't spend a lot of time looking at my music player. I don't need it to be eyecandy, I just need it to make noise and get out of the way [screen-wise]
 
2012-12-03 10:14:03 PM  

mamoru: TheManWho: The problem I'm having is for some reason the sound suddenly drops in volume, and only a restart of iTunes fixes it.

Is this on Windows 7? Because I notice this happening in VLC whenever I connect or disconnect my iPhone. If so, you may also be able to fix the problem by right-clicking volume in your task bar and opening the mixer. In that, there should be a volume control for each application you have open, and so you should be able to turn the volume back up for any affected programs.

Assuming this is the same thing happening to you, yeah, it is annoying.


I'm using Windows 8, but now you point it out, I didn't think of looking at the mixer. I normally have my system volume set at 50%, so just cranked it up to 100% to compensate.
 
2012-12-03 10:57:21 PM  

Millennium: Friskya: [www.atpm.com image 307x302]

It tries to do too much now. It's predecessor was much better, IMHO.

Agreed, but Audion was even better than that.


GOD YES!
cerebraldump.com

Can't find the exact skin I used, but it was close to this. Ahh....
 
2012-12-03 11:01:19 PM  
I can't open my playlists in a separate window anymore. I've got over 500 podcasts to listen to still, and now I have to drop nee ones on the list, then scroll to the bottom of the list and drag them ALL THEY WAY to the top.

Fark Apple!
 
2012-12-03 11:16:12 PM  

whistleridge:
Buggy, hogs resources, doesn't always play nicely if you jailbreak, and insists that you install that POS Quicktime when all I'll ever use is VLC.


Even on my Mac I still install VLC, because as you rightly put it, Quicktime is a POS.
 
2012-12-03 11:38:12 PM  

imfallen_angel: eltejon: iTunes may ne the main reason I don't have anything Apple.

This... and the fact that I find Apple stuff barely average in quality, nor believe in the companies practices, and the fact that it turns people into douchebags to moment anything about electronics are mentioned, and the other fact that they'll find a way to bring up that they have Apple stuff no matter what the topic of conversation is.


Pot, meet kettle.
 
2012-12-03 11:51:23 PM  

error 303: Rahsa Naba Doe-ah Gola Wookiee Nipple Pinchy: Generation_D: They all suck.

I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

I paid for media, its mine, eff off. And quit suggesting sh*t you think I like, it isn't wanted. If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.

Try a Walkman. It plays MP3s, video, has an FM receiver, and digital recorder. No software needed to copy music and video to it (at least as far as Windows is concerned). Just plug it in and copy/paste via Widows Explorer.

I feel dirty saying it, but I got a Sony phone and I really love the Walkman app. It's the easiest, slickest music player on a phone I've seen.


What are you guys talking about , exactly? I'm not sure I'm finding what y'all are talking about.
 
2012-12-03 11:57:47 PM  

boozehat: moothemagiccow: that EULA will get you though

From the Apple EULA: "You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, missiles, or chemical or biological weapons."

WTF??

If I can't make nuclear weapons with iTunes, apple can eat a bag of D's.

Source: http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/appstore/dev/stdeula/


Hmmm, now I know why our IT guys worked so hard to make sure no PC had iTunes on it.

/seriously, when I was at an Space Command base, it was a big deal.
//prob not due to the EULA vs security
 
2012-12-04 12:01:58 AM  

Generation_D: They all suck.

I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

I paid for media, its mine, eff off. And quit suggesting sh*t you think I like, it isn't wanted. If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.


My Creative Zen player back in the day had great interface, and I enjoy drag 'n drop.

If have have multiple ipods, ranging from 2gig to 16 gig, how do i synch appropriately?
 
2012-12-04 12:03:02 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Generation_D: They all suck.

I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

I paid for media, its mine, eff off. And quit suggesting sh*t you think I like, it isn't wanted. If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.

YOU GO!!

And it's slow as fark and crashes more than a drunk blonde female driver!


Don't forget that the moment that it finishes updating... it checks for another update immediately.
 
2012-12-04 12:04:46 AM  

Trade Secret: The Onion is prophetic: I've used Winamp for the past 15 years and will continue to use it until they pry it from my cold dead hands.

QFT. Winamp is still loaded on every PC I own. Drop and drag into the playlist and you are good to go. No load issues, lockups, quirks or QuickTime installs.


How is it that Winamp does everything a music player does, and consistently has done it for more than a decade, and yet iTunes continues to suck out loud
 
2012-12-04 12:28:42 AM  
Yes. Yes it does.

ITunes is an iTurd. A big stinky one, at that.
 
2012-12-04 12:39:36 AM  

saturn badger: imfallen_angel: eltejon: iTunes may ne the main reason I don't have anything Apple.

This... and the fact that I find Apple stuff barely average in quality, nor believe in the companies practices, and the fact that it turns people into douchebags to moment anything about electronics are mentioned, and the other fact that they'll find a way to bring up that they have Apple stuff no matter what the topic of conversation is.

Pot, meet kettle.


Too funny, you've just "outed" yourself.

Thank you.

Fano: My Creative Zen player back in the day had great interface, and I enjoy drag 'n drop.

If have have multiple ipods, ranging from 2gig to 16 gig, how do i synch appropriately?


Apple stole the Creative Lab's interface, and decided to settle out of court when they knew they were whipped.

Sadly, CL took the deal instead of wiping the floor with them.
 
2012-12-04 01:01:29 AM  
iTunes is the biggest POS "series" of software releases ever. Back a few years ago when iPods were first getting popular, I ended up having to install/screw with iTunes for a few relatives and a buddy. I remember my first "WTF is this shiat?" on the first failed plug-n-play, dicking with drivers to see whats wrong, troubleshooting 5 things to see if this one instance of POS software will work. Apple had like what, barely 10% or less of PC market share, yet saw fit that the rest of the world should have to jump through flaming hoops to put a gotdamn album on their $300 MP3 player.

Apple had some kind of hipster prestige attached to it in those first couple years. Now, even the little Mexican kids my daughter goes to school with have iPhones. Their insufferable trademark bullshiat, and the way they dragged their feet on improving worker conditions last year, shows just how shiatty this company has devolved. "Apple profits exceed those of mega oil corp. Exxon Mobil" headlines were on the same page as the "Suicide nets installed at Foxconn factory after continuing threats of mass suicide by employees"

/"We own the rounded rectangle!"
//No, you own a fanbase renowned for douchebaggery, charging a premium for it at that, that are fashionable for Mexican immigrants nowadays
 
2012-12-04 01:45:52 AM  

bingethinker: Is this where the people who haven't used iTunes in five years tell us how crappy the new version is? Don't forget to prattle on about DRM, even though that's been gone for years.


Is this the thread where Apple zealots accept any piece of iCrap software that their Corporate Savior tells them to like?
 
2012-12-04 04:09:24 AM  

roflmaonow: Had to revert back to 10.7 after 11 stopped detecting my Bluray drive. Plus I really love cover flow. As corny as it sounds.


I didn't think I cared one way or another about Cover Flow until I downloaded iTunes 11. Now I sorely miss it when looking at playlists. Having that visual reference at the top of the screen was extremely helpful, and the new Artist List doesn't cut it because that view doesn't preserve the ORDER of your playlist.

I never used Cover Flow to NAVIGATE, but it absolutely sucks not having it as a visual reference for otherwise plain-text lists.

But don't worry - Apple will never bring it back. Users just shouldn't worry their little heads. Apple knows best what you need, whether you agree or not. Don't question Apple.
 
2012-12-04 04:14:59 AM  

Generation_D: RexTalionis: iTunes 11 is terrible. Holy moley, is that thing laggy. It would also freeze while syncing. Whoever designed it decided that beta-testing and QC isn't necessary for something that comes out of Apple, I guess.

Is it just me, or is 2012 the year of Apple high water mark and start of eventual decline?

1) Maps fiasco; executives carnage; leadership in question
2) IOS 6 pulls support for youtube
3) iTunes issues
4) iPad release follies: the "new" ipad came out 2 weeks before the next new ipad, prompting mass returns at stores. Releases out of sync.

Add that to the obvious elephant in the room, the Galaxy / S3 / HTC platforms are all superior and iPhone isnt claiming that title back any time soon.

I just wonder if we're seeing the peak of Apple and inevitable long slide into RIM like irrelevancy.


There were bound to be some hiccups once Jobs let go of the wheel. Not because Jobs was Jesus, but because he had a death grip on that wheel, and there's bound to be some course-correction.

Whether or not Apple is doomed, semi-doomed, or has just hit a bump in the road remains to be seen.

/I'm gonna sing the doom song now
 
2012-12-04 04:38:13 AM  

delsydsoftware: iTunes is still a dog on Windows, though I understand that it's much better on MacOS. If it wasn't for my iPhone, I wouldn't have it installed.


It is, but it has a major issue that gets on my tits that I discovered when my father picked up an iphone 3GS on the cheap. It needed activation, and the activation over wifi didn't work.

Which meant activating through itunes. No problem, I plugged it into his Mac. Except it would only activate with the latest itunes, and that would only work with a newer version of OSX then the one on his Mac.

So, rather than buy an OS upgrade from Apple in order to activate his Apple device on his Apple computer, I put itunes on a PC. No problems at all getting the latest itunes to work with the decade-old Windows XP.
 
2012-12-04 05:59:30 AM  
I haven't updated to 11 and don't think I will based on the problems I've read people are having. I have 350 movies, 20k songs and a ton of tv shows in there and I've heard 11 doesn't work well with large libraries and that the search function sucks and I would really miss cover flow while browsing through my movies for what to watch. I have zero problems with 10.whatever version I'm using now and love being able to use home sharing to have all my media show up on my iPhone or iPad or the old G5 upstairs without having to store anything on any of the devices.

A good deal of my music is rare and very old stuff which definitely doesn't exist on iTunes Match and I'm mistrustful of clouds in general so would never use that service. And I've never used iTunes on a windows machine so have no idea why so many of you had such terrible experiences with it, but it works fine for me on the OS is was designed for. The wildly vituperative tone of the Apple despisers makes you sound like comic book villains or people at the apex of a manic cycle.

I use VLC only to get thorough information about a media file or if the file is so corrupt it won't play in anything else. And I use Quicktime to make quick trims of video or audio files which might have junk at the head or tail as well as to check aspect ratios on some oddly sized stuff I might be tossing into Handbrake and to quickly split off and save the audio tracks from video files.

Someone gave me a 50 buck gift card for the iTunes store a few years ago which I still haven't used up, but while it was sitting there as available credit someone hacked a bunch of iTunes accounts and stole everybody's money. Some of those would be customers had their checking account/debit cards listed and really got farked. Apple closed some people's accounts who got hacked which meant they lost access to everything they'd bought. Don't store your credit or debit cards with them. If I buy mp3, it's almost always from Amazon because the prices are better, but usually neither iTunes or Amazon have what I'm looking for so I either get it directly from the artist or by other means.
 
2012-12-04 06:31:07 AM  

Generation_D: I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.


Then don't click the button to access the store?

Or better yet, go into the Parental Preferences and turn off the store completely so there won't even be a button for the store you could click?
 
2012-12-04 06:38:32 AM  

delsydsoftware: iTunes is still a dog on Windows


I installed it on a decade old Compaq laptop running XP with a single core mobile Athlon and one Gig of RAM.

It consumed 40 Megs of RAM while playing songs in the normal interface. If I paused the track and walked away for a while, it dropped down to 11 Megs, but popped back up to 40 Megs the instant I resumed playing the track.

Opening the music store caused it to jump up and consume 80 Megs of RAM.

While playing tracks, it only consumed between one percent and three percent of the ancient single core CPU's processing cycles.

If that's a dog, you have a seriously underpowered computer.
 
2012-12-04 06:40:32 AM  

croesius: Millennium: Friskya: [www.atpm.com image 307x302]

It tries to do too much now. It's predecessor was much better, IMHO.

Agreed, but Audion was even better than that.

GOD YES!
[cerebraldump.com image 243x201]

Can't find the exact skin I used, but it was close to this. Ahh....


That interface caused my eyeballs to burst into flame and my face to melt. And not in the good way.
 
2012-12-04 07:24:03 AM  

croesius: Millennium: Friskya: [www.atpm.com image 307x302]

It tries to do too much now. It's predecessor was much better, IMHO.

Agreed, but Audion was even better than that.

GOD YES!
[cerebraldump.com image 243x201]

Can't find the exact skin I used, but it was close to this. Ahh....


what happens when you click on the omega red tentacles?
 
2012-12-04 07:46:19 AM  
www.mediamonkey.com
 
2012-12-04 07:46:55 AM  
All you people whinging about iTunes or having difficulty sychronising your iPods just aren't using it properly. User error is the biggest fault in software...

I used Winamp for years, resisting iTunes. For four or so years now I've had iTunes on PC and an iPod mini. Both work fine, doesn't seem to affect my performance negatively, organises my files nicely and generally behaves well.
 
2012-12-04 08:40:58 AM  
I "accidentally" drop my iphone every chance I get..hoping to break it, just so I'll have a valid excuse (that I tell the wife) to buy an android phone

/that's an ugly sentence I just wrote
 
2012-12-04 08:44:08 AM  

magores: I "accidentally" drop my iphone every chance I get..hoping to break it, just so I'll have a valid excuse (that I tell the wife) to buy an android phone

/that's an ugly sentence I just wrote


oops.. forgot the whole point....

then I'd be able to remove itunes/phone from my life

//ps.. I like media monkey as a media player on the desktop
 
2012-12-04 09:07:33 AM  

magores: I "accidentally" drop my iphone every chance I get..hoping to break it, just so I'll have a valid excuse (that I tell the wife) to buy an android phone

/that's an ugly sentence I just wrote


Surely it would be simpler to sell your iphone instead of destroying it.
 
2012-12-04 09:14:02 AM  
Before upgrading my computer to a Sandy Bridge CPU etc.. My old dual core computer would take forever to load itunes and when gapless playback first came on, any album added would take ages to load and freeze the whole OS.

Even now on my supercomputer, itunes takes 8-10 secs to load when programs like Photoshop and After Effects load almost instantly.
 
2012-12-04 12:21:14 PM  
It's still so farked up on my computer I wouldn't know. I can't upgrade it, I can't uninstall it, and I don't feel like editing my registry if I delete it.
 
2012-12-04 12:47:31 PM  

D_Evans45: iTunes is the biggest POS "series" of software releases ever. Back a few years ago when iPods were first getting popular, I ended up having to install/screw with iTunes for a few relatives and a buddy. I remember my first "WTF is this shiat?" on the first failed plug-n-play, dicking with drivers to see whats wrong, troubleshooting 5 things to see if this one instance of POS software will work. Apple had like what, barely 10% or less of PC market share, yet saw fit that the rest of the world should have to jump through flaming hoops to put a gotdamn album on their $300 MP3 player.

Apple had some kind of hipster prestige attached to it in those first couple years. Now, even the little Mexican kids my daughter goes to school with have iPhones. Their insufferable trademark bullshiat, and the way they dragged their feet on improving worker conditions last year, shows just how shiatty this company has devolved. "Apple profits exceed those of mega oil corp. Exxon Mobil" headlines were on the same page as the "Suicide nets installed at Foxconn factory after continuing threats of mass suicide by employees"

/"We own the rounded rectangle!"
//No, you own a fanbase renowned for douchebaggery, charging a premium for it at that, that are fashionable for Mexican immigrants nowadays


Is it too much to damn ask for someone (Samsung, hello?!) to put out an 64 gig MP? I mean, how hard is it to upgrade a 32 gig player to a 64 gig? Do they even realize how big a market they'd have from all of the iTunes haters that would love a MP that's not accompanied by bloatware like iTunes?
 
2012-12-04 01:05:34 PM  

BullBearMS: Generation_D: I want an mp3 / media player, not a open hole on my platform through which is being shoved unwanted marketing and sales information.

Then don't click the button to access the store?

Or better yet, go into the Parental Preferences and turn off the store completely so there won't even be a button for the store you could click?


You are aware necrophilia is a mental disorder, right?
 
2012-12-04 05:28:06 PM  

NateAsbestos: Rwa2play: NateAsbestos: Just got a SanDisk Zip to replace my old iPod. It's great because it just shows up in Windows as an external device, drag your music over [in M4A or FLAC or Vorbis or MP3] and it's done. No software installs, no fuss. It also supports ReplayGain, which is great for those of us who don't want to scramble at the volume knob every time the song changes.

That's the kind of shiat that irks me about iTunes: Why do they refuse to support even OGG playback? Or ReplayGain? It's just absurd.

And as far as playing on the computer goes, foobar2000 is the bee's knees. Plays every format known to man and uses very few resources.

Boy I really...REALLY wanted to like foobar2000 but the GUI turned me off.

It's not pretty, no, but it's perfectly functional. I like it precisely BECAUSE I don't spend a lot of time looking at my music player. I don't need it to be eyecandy, I just need it to make noise and get out of the way [screen-wise]




Foobar is very skinnable. That's part of why I like it so much: everything is customizable.

I'm stuck with an old 3GS for the time being, and I hate iTunes. So I used a virtual machine of Windows XP for the iTunes installation. Now it doesn't foul up my pc with all its bloatware, and I can just delete that vm when I no longer use the phone.
 
2012-12-04 06:15:51 PM  
music.google.com has been all I've used since I uploaded everything. No need to install a player at all.
 
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