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2012-12-03 09:51:09 AM
screw him
 
2012-12-03 09:53:18 AM
Smartest thing out of Bob's mouth in years.
 
2012-12-03 09:57:03 AM
Your tears are delicious, Subby.

Cry Moar!!!
 
2012-12-03 10:03:45 AM
No, subby. He was fired for getting racist as hell. Soapboxing and grandstanding are ok. Racism, not so much.

And yes, I know both he and you are too stupid to not know racism when you say it or hear it.
 
2012-12-03 10:17:18 AM
HALP! Overrated black quarterbacks are crawling all over my skin! McNabb is eating my eyes! I need my pills!
 
2012-12-03 10:18:01 AM
I find Costas annoying most of the time.
 
2012-12-03 10:31:23 AM
racist = political?
 
2012-12-03 10:34:09 AM
Bob Costas has been working steadily in sports for about 40 years and for NBC specifically for 30+. He has the cachet to be able to voice his opinion on NBC and not get fired for it (within reason I suppose). Limbaugh was working for ESPN for about 30 seconds before he said something dumb that cost him his job.
 
2012-12-03 10:39:00 AM
Being against guns is exactly the same as being racist.
 
2012-12-03 10:40:01 AM
There's a time and place for intelligent conversation about the role of guns in our society, how we can prevent domestic violence, and mental illness, etc. Halftime on Sunday Night Football is not the time or place, and what Bob Costas regurgitated wasn't intelligent or thoughtful. Only the most craven and opportunistic of trolls can sit their and honestly say that "without guns, Jovan Belcher and Kasandra Perkins would still be alive." The only thing you can say is that maybe without guns they wouldn't have died from gunshot wounds. A starting NFL linebacker who decides to kill a woman does not need a gun to do so.

And Jason Whitlock, the columnist Costas was parroting, is a moron, bigot, and professional troll. I find it disheartening that the words of Brady Quinn, who at the post-game Chiefs press conference said something far more eloquent and meaningful than the sanctimonious drivel Costas spewed, were glossed over in favor of a clumsy rallying cry to ban handguns.

What something intelligent and thoughtful about the Chief's tragedy actually sounds like
 
2012-12-03 10:44:01 AM

whistleridge: . He was fired for getting racist as hell.


This
 
2012-12-03 10:45:10 AM

Fark It: There's a time and place for intelligent conversation about the role of guns in our society, how we can prevent domestic violence, and mental illness, etc. Halftime on Sunday Night Football is not the time or place, and what Bob Costas regurgitated wasn't intelligent or thoughtful. Only the most craven and opportunistic of trolls can sit their and honestly say that "without guns, Jovan Belcher and Kasandra Perkins would still be alive." The only thing you can say is that maybe without guns they wouldn't have died from gunshot wounds. A starting NFL linebacker who decides to kill a woman does not need a gun to do so.

And Jason Whitlock, the columnist Costas was parroting, is a moron, bigot, and professional troll. I find it disheartening that the words of Brady Quinn, who at the post-game Chiefs press conference said something far more eloquent and meaningful than the sanctimonious drivel Costas spewed, were glossed over in favor of a clumsy rallying cry to ban handguns.

What something intelligent and thoughtful about the Chief's tragedy actually sounds like


That was good. Thanks for posting it.
 
2012-12-03 10:50:09 AM

Fark It: Only the most craven and opportunistic of trolls can sit their and honestly say that "without guns, Jovan Belcher and Kasandra Perkins would still be alive." The only thing you can say is that maybe without guns they wouldn't have died from gunshot wounds. A starting NFL linebacker who decides to kill a woman does not need a gun to do so.


Agreed. And if he had used an axe (thank God he didn't) to kill her and then hanged himself, you wouldn't hear much from the 'ban common yard equipment' lobby.

I'm all for the sensible regulation of firearms, but this could have happened in the most restrictive of countries. It could have happened anyway. And frankly, while I'm obviously horrified that this happened, since it did I'm just glad he used a gun to kill her quickly and cleanly instead of some more gruesome method.
 
2012-12-03 10:55:01 AM
Costas was out of line. We had a friend over and we were watching the game and talking and at one point, stopped and said, "Is Costas lecturing us about guns right now? Seriously?"

I recognize that what happened was horrible - and really feel bad for everyone involved -- but the fact is, he could have killed her and himself with or without a gun, and probably would have. I have a feeling this will come back like the Chris Benoit story, where unchecked/unacknowledged severe brain damage had more to do with this than any weapon did.
 
2012-12-03 10:57:17 AM

whistleridge: Fark It: Only the most craven and opportunistic of trolls can sit their and honestly say that "without guns, Jovan Belcher and Kasandra Perkins would still be alive." The only thing you can say is that maybe without guns they wouldn't have died from gunshot wounds. A starting NFL linebacker who decides to kill a woman does not need a gun to do so.

Agreed. And if he had used an axe (thank God he didn't) to kill her and then hanged himself, you wouldn't hear much from the 'ban common yard equipment' lobby.

I'm all for the sensible regulation of firearms, but this could have happened in the most restrictive of countries. It could have happened anyway. And frankly, while I'm obviously horrified that this happened, since it did I'm just glad he used a gun to kill her quickly and cleanly instead of some more gruesome method.


Yeah, this. Apparently domestic violence and suicide are unique to America's "gun culture," and that the mere presence of guns fuels suicide and domestic violence. Since, you know, when the father of a newborn decides to kill the child's mother, then drives to where he works and offs himself in front of his bosses, that was clearly a spur of the moment type thing and without a gun he and his girlfriend would still be alive and hunky-dory.
 
2012-12-03 10:57:46 AM

serpent_sky: Costas was out of line. We had a friend over and we were watching the game and talking and at one point, stopped and said, "Is Costas lecturing us about guns right now? Seriously?"

I recognize that what happened was horrible - and really feel bad for everyone involved -- but the fact is, he could have killed her and himself with or without a gun, and probably would have. I have a feeling this will come back like the Chris Benoit story, where unchecked/unacknowledged severe brain damage had more to do with this than any weapon did.


Nice deflection.
 
2012-12-03 11:03:19 AM

serpent_sky: I have a feeling this will come back like the Chris Benoit story, where unchecked/unacknowledged severe brain damage had more to do with this than any weapon did.


The man was 24, which is right at the tail end of where psychological problems begin to manifest in young men (early to mid 20s). He had an undiagnosed mental problem that was probably exacerbated by the most disappointing season in Kansas City's history and the stress of a newborn baby. The Bears' Brandon Marshall didn't get diagnosed with borderline personality disorder until he was 27, after dealing with it since his collegiate career.

The NFL makes a big deal about concussions and player safety on the field. They need to treat psychological/emotional problems just as seriously.
 
2012-12-03 11:10:03 AM
Joke's on Costas - by half time of the evening game I'm too drunk to hear a word of it.
 
2012-12-03 11:10:13 AM

serpent_sky: I recognize that what happened was horrible - and really feel bad for everyone involved -- but the fact is, he could have killed her and himself with or without a gun, and probably would have. I have a feeling this will come back like the Chris Benoit story, where unchecked/unacknowledged severe brain damage had more to do with this than any weapon did.


It's hard to play what if, but you have to admit that having a gun makes it a LOT easier to kill someone. Convenient point and click interface.
 
2012-12-03 11:12:10 AM

olddeegee: serpent_sky: Costas was out of line. We had a friend over and we were watching the game and talking and at one point, stopped and said, "Is Costas lecturing us about guns right now? Seriously?"

I recognize that what happened was horrible - and really feel bad for everyone involved -- but the fact is, he could have killed her and himself with or without a gun, and probably would have. I have a feeling this will come back like the Chris Benoit story, where unchecked/unacknowledged severe brain damage had more to do with this than any weapon did.

Nice deflection.


Except, if he shot himself in the head

Fark It: serpent_sky: I have a feeling this will come back like the Chris Benoit story, where unchecked/unacknowledged severe brain damage had more to do with this than any weapon did.

The man was 24, which is right at the tail end of where psychological problems begin to manifest in young men (early to mid 20s). He had an undiagnosed mental problem that was probably exacerbated by the most disappointing season in Kansas City's history and the stress of a newborn baby. The Bears' Brandon Marshall didn't get diagnosed with borderline personality disorder until he was 27, after dealing with it since his collegiate career.

The NFL makes a big deal about concussions and player safety on the field. They need to treat psychological/emotional problems just as seriously.


Unfortunately, he shot himself in the head, so it's probably impossible to determine if his problems were neurological or psychological. And it's important to know.

I had a brain tumor that was later found to have started having adverse effects when I was 20. I had mood swings, anger issues, personality issues, depression, the works. And all the side effects on life too: failed relationships, poor grades, bad workplace performance, etc. If just one farking doctor had said 'this isn't psychological, let's run an MRI' I could have been immediately diagnosed and treated. Instead, I had to wait until I presented at 30 to get treated and I've been fine since.

This looks to my (admittedly utterly amateur) eye like something similar: could be psychological, could be physiological. But I guess now we'll never know.
 
2012-12-03 11:22:47 AM

nekom: It's hard to play what if, but you have to admit that having a gun makes it a LOT easier to kill someone. Convenient point and click interface.


Just like computers make it easier to scam people. They're both just tools though.
 
2012-12-03 11:23:43 AM

Fark It: The man was 24, which is right at the tail end of where psychological problems begin to manifest in young men (early to mid 20s). He had an undiagnosed mental problem that was probably exacerbated by the most disappointing season in Kansas City's history and the stress of a newborn baby. The Bears' Brandon Marshall didn't get diagnosed with borderline personality disorder until he was 27, after dealing with it since his collegiate career.


I agree. I think this was caused by some manner of mental illness, a lot of stress, and a culture -- not just football, but American culture in general where mental illness is stigmatized and even more so for males than females. But I think of that every time something tragic happens - if, in general, we didn't try to force people to hide their mental illness as opposed to seeking treatment and make people feel ashamed for having an illness, you'd see less incidents like this.

I understand the urge for people to speak of gun control at times like these, because it is so much easier to say "look what happened because he had a gun" than look at how we, as a culture, deal with mental illness as either something to be amused by (Britney Spears' public breakdowns) or something to be ashamed of.
 
2012-12-03 11:25:23 AM
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"I'd shiat my pants if anyone pointed a loaded gun at me.

I'm surrounded by armed security guards by the time I climb out of bed every morning."
 
2012-12-03 11:26:03 AM

serpent_sky: Costas was out of line. We had a friend over and we were watching the game and talking and at one point, stopped and said, "Is Costas lecturing us about guns right now? Seriously?"

I recognize that what happened was horrible - and really feel bad for everyone involved -- but the fact is, he could have killed her and himself with or without a gun, and probably would have. I have a feeling this will come back like the Chris Benoit story, where unchecked/unacknowledged severe brain damage had more to do with this than any weapon did.


I've seen several articles that say he had a history of head injuries.
 
2012-12-03 11:34:02 AM

R.A.Danny: nekom: It's hard to play what if, but you have to admit that having a gun makes it a LOT easier to kill someone. Convenient point and click interface.

Just like computers make it easier to scam people. They're both just tools though.


Agreed. But just as I might cut a tree down that I wouldn't have if I didn't already own a chainsaw, there are plenty of murders that probably wouldn't have happened if a gun were not present. It would be hard to murder someone in the heat of the moment, without time for it all to sink in, with anything short of a gun.
 
2012-12-03 11:34:10 AM

whistleridge: No, subby. He was fired for getting racist as hell. Soapboxing and grandstanding are ok. Racism, not so much.

And yes, I know both he and you are too stupid to not know racism when you say it or hear it.


Just to be clear: you absolutely condemn callous disregard for the spirit of the 14th Amendment, but approve of callous disregard for the text of the 2nd Amendment?

/Civil liberties, how do they work?
 
2012-12-03 11:38:16 AM

nekom: It would be hard to murder someone in the heat of the moment, without time for it all to sink in, with anything short of a gun.


www.coldsteel-uk.com
 
2012-12-03 11:39:23 AM
I'd also like to note that I don't think Bob Costas should have been lecturing the fans on mental illness or head injuries last night, either. It just all seemed inappropriate, given the circumstances.
 
2012-12-03 11:40:43 AM

nekom: R.A.Danny: nekom: It's hard to play what if, but you have to admit that having a gun makes it a LOT easier to kill someone. Convenient point and click interface.

Just like computers make it easier to scam people. They're both just tools though.

Agreed. But just as I might cut a tree down that I wouldn't have if I didn't already own a chainsaw, there are plenty of murders that probably wouldn't have happened if a gun were not present. It would be hard to murder someone in the heat of the moment, without time for it all to sink in, with anything short of a gun.


So you are saying that you are concerned that your humanity may be compromised if there was an easier way to kill people?
 
2012-12-03 11:40:44 AM

olddeegee: Smartest thing out of Bob's mouth in years.


This. I have new found respect for this guy.
 
2012-12-03 11:41:40 AM
Good thing the First Amendment protect's Bob's right to pontificate.
 
2012-12-03 11:49:33 AM

gerrymander: whistleridge: No, subby. He was fired for getting racist as hell. Soapboxing and grandstanding are ok. Racism, not so much.

And yes, I know both he and you are too stupid to not know racism when you say it or hear it.

Just to be clear: you absolutely condemn callous disregard for the spirit of the 14th Amendment, but approve of callous disregard for the text of the 2nd Amendment?

/Civil liberties, how do they work?


Except we're talking about a private employer - ABC/ESPN - and their employee, who surely violated the terms of his contract in running his mouth like that. Whereas Costas...probably got yelled at.

But you keep thinking it's a civil liberties issue. It's cute. You probably think you hate Obama because he's socialist too. Just like Hitler.
 
2012-12-03 11:55:58 AM

Fark It: nekom: It would be hard to murder someone in the heat of the moment, without time for it all to sink in, with anything short of a gun.

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He was 6 ft 1 and weighted in at 243 of pure muscle. His bare hands could have done it.
 
2012-12-03 11:57:19 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: nekom: It would be hard to murder someone in the heat of the moment, without time for it all to sink in, with anything short of a gun.

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He was 6 ft 1 and weighted in at 243 of pure muscle. His bare hands could have done it.


Shoot the person with a gun, that way you can always blame it on an black intruder.
 
2012-12-03 12:03:59 PM

R.A.Danny: Good thing the First Amendment protect's Bob's right to pontificate.


But it doesn't protect his job.

I wanted for his hack job on the Olympics. But if this gets him fired I'd be ok with that. It wont.

mrshowrules: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: nekom: It would be hard to murder someone in the heat of the moment, without time for it all to sink in, with anything short of a gun.

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He was 6 ft 1 and weighted in at 243 of pure muscle. His bare hands could have done it.

Shoot the person with a gun, that way you can always blame it on an black intruder.


Well, if you're black there is a 93% chance that another black popped a cap in your arse.

Link
 
2012-12-03 12:05:25 PM
Here's the thing: The NFL is going to be watched by all the fans, regardless of what is spewed out at halftime. They took notice, realized it's a powderkeg of an issue they can light, so they did. No one is going to stop watching the NFL because of what Costas said.
 
2012-12-03 12:07:23 PM

mrshowrules: olddeegee: Smartest thing out of Bob's mouth in years.

This. I have new found respect for this guy.


The two of you do know that he was repeating what Jason Whitlock had written earlier, right?
 
2012-12-03 12:10:40 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wanted for his hack job on the Olympics. But if this gets him fired I'd be ok with that. It wont.


Agreed. On both counts. Well, if you're black there is a 93% chance that another black popped a cap in your arse

Only if you're black. Crime tends to overwhelmingly cluster within ethnic communities. For example, Native American crime rates are off the charts, but they all happen on the Res, so they're all against Native Americans (usually of the same tribe).

Ditto for whites and blacks. 86% of white murders came from white offenders, and 94% of black murders came from black offenders. It would seem we don't kill strangers usually, but people we know. Or we rob stores in our neighborhoods, not across town. And we tend to live in neighborhoods that are de facto segregated. Ergo...
 
2012-12-03 12:11:40 PM

Fark It: mrshowrules: olddeegee: Smartest thing out of Bob's mouth in years.

This. I have new found respect for this guy.

The two of you do know that he was repeating what Jason Whitlock had written earlier, right?


Yes, and Whitlock's comments reflect thoughts shared by many. I admire Costas courage in raising the gun culture issue in discussing this tragedy.
 
2012-12-03 12:16:35 PM
Good for him. 
 
2012-12-03 12:17:55 PM
Hardly saw that as a rant.
 
2012-12-03 12:20:37 PM

mrshowrules: Fark It: mrshowrules: olddeegee: Smartest thing out of Bob's mouth in years.

This. I have new found respect for this guy.

The two of you do know that he was repeating what Jason Whitlock had written earlier, right?

Yes, and Whitlock's comments reflect thoughts shared by many. I admire Costas courage in raising the gun culture issue in discussing this tragedy.


That doesn't mean he's right, and it seems as if there are at least as many people who take issue with Costas' remarks (for a variety of reasons, not just because of his anti-gun bent).

There's nothing courageous about blaming this squarely on guns and claiming that if it weren't for guns, Kasandra Perkins and Jovan Belcher would still be alive. Claiming so is arrogant and sanctimonious, and takes much-needed attention away from the stigma of mental illness and how to address that. The gun culture does not drag somebody down and make anyone murder the mother of their newborn. It does not make people do anything.
 
2012-12-03 12:21:25 PM
Costas is right, if it wasn't for guns they would all still be alive.

In fact,if it wasn't for guns, he wouldn't have had the concussions, the alcohol abuse, the pain killers and would probably have been married to this woman rather than being in a bad relationship.

Guns ruined all that.

Costas is a genius.
 
2012-12-03 12:23:01 PM

FlashHarry: racist = political?


Yes, when one party bases their politics on the southern strategy they have no choice but to defend racism politically.
 
2012-12-03 12:23:44 PM

exick: Bob Costas has been working steadily in sports for about 40 years and for NBC specifically for 30+. He has the cachet to be able to voice his opinion on NBC and not get fired for it (within reason I suppose). Limbaugh was working for ESPN for about 30 seconds before he said something dumb that cost him his job.


This is accurate.

I still found that bit annoying. I wonder what would have happened if Costas had pointed out that he was the 6th NFL player to commit suicide in the last two years and called on the NFL to provide some answers.


I am not a gun control guy or a gun nut, I just want football to be football, leave the politics out.
 
2012-12-03 12:23:50 PM
Bad Costas. Doesn't he realize you have to wait at least two weeks after any gun-related tragedy before you can even consider discussing options for reducing gun violence?
 
2012-12-03 12:23:54 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: He was 6 ft 1 and weighted in at 243 of pure muscle. His bare hands could have done it.


But didn't, because he had a gun handy.

This whole "he COULD have killed her some other way, so that means we can't even DISCUSS the gun violence problem in America" red herring is SO tired.
 
2012-12-03 12:24:03 PM
Gun advocates accusing gun-control advocates of injecting fear into the argument? Too bad there isn't a word for this psychological phenomenon.
 
2012-12-03 12:24:25 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Being against guns is exactly the same as being racist.


Halftime of a football game isn't the place for either of those options. Most of us watch sports to remove ourselves from that crap. Bob, as usual, assumes his opinion matters.
 
2012-12-03 12:25:04 PM

Fark It: There's nothing courageous about blaming this squarely on guns and claiming that if it weren't for guns, Kasandra Perkins and Jovan Belcher would still be alive. Claiming so is arrogant and sanctimonious


Claiming he would have killed her anyway, had a gun not been available, is just as arrogant and sanctimonious.

You DO see that, don't you?
 
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