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(The New York Times)   Obama: $1.6 trillion in taxes on the wealthy, $50 billion in short-term stimulus spending and $612 billion in recycled cuts. GOP: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. Obama: Ok...what's YOUR proposal then? GOP: *crickets*. The Party of 'No' is back, baby   (nytimes.com) divider line 456
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2012-12-03 01:09:26 PM

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


Depends on what you mean by "going over". The economy won't crash on Jan 1st, even if the Republicans and the Democrats can't come to an agreement. If you just mean that Obama wants to reach that point, it wouldn't be entirely crazy (as others are calling you) but it could hurt the markets in the short run. But yes, from the legislative point of view, the Democrats' position become much stronger come Jan 1st because they would be proposing tax cuts compared with standing policy, which would be much more palatable.
 
2012-12-03 01:09:58 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.


How on earth is that NOT a specific proposal?
 
2012-12-03 01:10:29 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.

How on earth is that NOT a specific proposal?


psh! you and your FACTS!
 
2012-12-03 01:11:29 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.

How on earth is that NOT a specific proposal?


He does not read
 
2012-12-03 01:11:30 PM
FTFAAmid demands from Republicans that President Obama propose detailed new spending cuts to avert the year-end fiscal crisis, his answer boils down to this: you first.

Using the "you first" approach to leadership, that is so strong dude!  But then if he truly had a mandate...
 
2012-12-03 01:12:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if the President has heard of Paul Krugman? Cause he has done nothing but biatch about the Republican plan, I guess he saw one.


Subject-verb agreement, dumbass. Learn it.
 
2012-12-03 01:12:53 PM

JerseyTim: The Republicans don't want to negotiate. They want Obama to negotiate against himself. They're not going to offer counter proposals, they're only going to feign outrage at everything Obama does.


It would help if Obama had even started to meet them halfway. From what I've seen so far his proposal has no entitlement reform and didn't add any spending cuts.
 
2012-12-03 01:13:04 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.

How on earth is that NOT a specific proposal?


It's not a proposal that specifically does not say what 10lbs wants it to.
 
2012-12-03 01:13:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: No subby is wrong with her headline.

The article says: " his answer boils down to this: you first." so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.

Besides 0bama has never said how his proposed tax cuts are going to create jobs or what he is going to do to deal with the other 90% of his reckless spending.


Hey the "0" stands for how many times "President" Obama has lost to republicans, or was it the number of times he's started a war, or maybe the number of Terrorist attacks on US soil since his administration begin?

I Always forget so you'll have to help me out!
 
2012-12-03 01:13:29 PM

Brubold: JerseyTim: The Republicans don't want to negotiate. They want Obama to negotiate against himself. They're not going to offer counter proposals, they're only going to feign outrage at everything Obama does.

It would help if Obama had even started to meet them halfway. From what I've seen so far his proposal has no entitlement reform and didn't add any spending cuts.


If you ignore those very words being in the headline and the ones in the proposal, I guess.
 
2012-12-03 01:14:16 PM
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SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


Don't forget the Black Helecopters, the UN shock troops on their ICLEI-approved bicycles taking away all our guns, replacing the Dollar with the Amero, and the FEMA Death Camps. It's all there man.
 
2012-12-03 01:14:20 PM

cryinoutloud: This shiat is so much like dealing with my psycho ex-husband, I'm practically having flashbacks. I spent 12 years in family court with that shiathead. His motto was, "Whatever it is that you want, no matter what it is, the answer is No." That was his entire game plan. Except for the part where he'd keep me in court until I gave him exactly what he wanted.

/I won in the end. My "country" will never recover from it, though.


I can relate though I wasn't married to my slump-buster gone awry, thank the heavens. I may as well be an abusive deadbeat dad drug addict that never has a stable job and is near homeless as that's pretty much how I get treated. It's all personal bs attacks I ever get while she continues to use the kid as a weapon/bargaining chip.

You can't battle that kind of crazy with logic, but you can sure as hell piss em off when you take money away from them. Child support reevaluation shall soon be near....

Anyhow, when one can draw too many parallels between those types of scenarios and the current situation in Congress, it's pretty damn sad no matter how you look at it. It's like the debt is the child of both sides, and the Republicans are the angry and batshiat "babymama/daddy" that tends to win with their shenanigans because the system is farked.

/And send my regards to your ex for continuing to give the courts reasons to hate dads.
//My country will be just fine and dandy in 14 years when the sanctions no longer apply and all involved are no longer legally required to entertain the grotesquely porcine homonculette.
 
2012-12-03 01:14:26 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: No subby is wrong with her headline.

The article says: " his answer boils down to this: you first." so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.

Besides 0bama has never said how his proposed tax cuts are going to create jobs or what he is going to do to deal with the other 90% of his reckless spending.


And you wonder why you have such a poor social standing.
 
2012-12-03 01:14:38 PM

sprawl15: TimonC346: And negotiations with him isn't going to put them out of a job.

No, that's the problem. It likely would.

Unless the GOP does something about the teabaggers and the MOAR CONSERAVTIVE WINS ELECTING mindset, anyone who negotiates with Obama opens themselves up to being sniped in their primary. And reelections are a prime motivation for politicians, so...yeah. I have little hope of compromise.


So you can negotiate, give Obama some of what he wants, lose your primary, and open the door for a Democratic representative in that district. Or, you can not negotiate and hand Obama everything he wants on a silver platter, lose your primary for caving to Obama, and open the door for a Democratic representative in that district.

The long game, indeed.
 
2012-12-03 01:15:18 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The article says: " his answer boils down to this: you first." so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.


Oh so then the Republicans are lying then when they have been attacking his plan? Because according to you he has no plan. So then you are calling all these Republicans liars?
 
2012-12-03 01:15:30 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.

How on earth is that NOT a specific proposal?


It's a very "blah" Proposal.
 
2012-12-03 01:15:55 PM
haha libs we were only playing up the bipartisanship bullshiat so that you had to do what Romney said when he won. we weren't planning on the black guy winning again so it's business as usual now suck it libs
 
2012-12-03 01:16:17 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The article says: " his answer boils down to this: you first." so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.


Obama ran on increasing taxes, that is what he submitted

tenpoundsofcheese: Besides 0bama has never said how his proposed tax cuts are going to create jobs or what he is going to do to deal with the other 90% of his reckless spending.


He never said he was cutting taxes. I think you need more coffee. Come back when you wake up
 
2012-12-03 01:16:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Besides 0bama has never said how his proposed tax cuts are going to create jobs or what he is going to do to deal with the other 90% of his reckless spending


Well, tax cuts don't create jobs. That isn't their purpose and anyone who says otherwise is either full of sh*t or just ignorant enough to believe it. Glad you finally admit that.
 
2012-12-03 01:16:46 PM

Tiberius Gracchus: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.

How on earth is that NOT a specific proposal?

It's not a proposal that specifically does not say what 10lbs wants it to.


Oh yes, my bad. Please proceed, 10lbs.
 
2012-12-03 01:16:53 PM

kmmontandon: RexTalionis: Close election? As of 15 hours ago, Obama had 4,632,588 more votes than Romney.

Yeah, but how many of those were from people making $50,000/yr. or more? You know, Real People.


The GOP doesn't think people who make 50k are real. $1,000,000+ is their threshold. The only people poorer than that whom the GOP care about are fetuses.
 
2012-12-03 01:16:59 PM

JerseyTim: The Republicans don't want to negotiate. They want Obama to negotiate against himself. They're not going to offer counter proposals, they're only going to feign outrage at everything Obama does.


yeah it's like

Obama: here's what I want,what do you want?

GOP: You tell us what you will give us

Obama: no this is the part of a negotiation where you make a counter offer

GOP: You make it for us

Obama: fark it let's go over the cliff.
 
2012-12-03 01:17:26 PM

sprawl15: TimonC346: And negotiations with him isn't going to put them out of a job.

No, that's the problem. It likely would.

Unless the GOP does something about the teabaggers and the MOAR CONSERAVTIVE WINS ELECTING mindset, anyone who negotiates with Obama opens themselves up to being sniped in their primary. And reelections are a prime motivation for politicians, so...yeah. I have little hope of compromise.


I guess there never was any nobility in politics--the fact that these guys doing their jobs in the most efficient and rational possible way could put them out of a job speaks pretty strongly about the Republican party.
 
2012-12-03 01:17:40 PM

Brubold: It would help if Obama had even started to meet them halfway.


Bullshiat. It's the GOP that needs to move closer to Obama's position.

So far, they're pushing the same failed bullshiat that Romney was pushing and was rejected by the American people.

What loopholes are the GOP planning to close? Which deductions?

The GOP are in no position to make demands. Tax rates for upper incomes are going up one way or the other. They can either get some of what they want or go back to the their constituents and explain to them why they let tax rates go up on all Americans in order to protect the tax rates of the wealthiest Americans.

Should be easy... It's not like the public blames t he GOP for the fiscal stand off by a margin of 2-1 or anything like that.
 
2012-12-03 01:17:44 PM

digistil: tenpoundsofcheese: No subby is wrong with her headline.

The article says: " his answer boils down to this: you first." so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.

Besides 0bama has never said how his proposed tax cuts are going to create jobs or what he is going to do to deal with the other 90% of his reckless spending.

And you wonder why you have such a poor social standing.


You are of course assuming that 10 pounds of its not cheese is even remotely self-aware socially, And not a shill or simply delusional.
 
2012-12-03 01:17:51 PM

too-old: tenpoundsofcheese: Besides 0bama has never said how his proposed tax cuts are going to create jobs or what he is going to do to deal with the other 90% of his reckless spending.

He never said he was cutting taxes. I think you need more coffee. Come back when you wake up


Best part of this is his post is so typical of the teahadists: if Obama cuts taxes, he's evil. If Obama doesn't cut taxes, he's evil.
 
2012-12-03 01:18:47 PM

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


And the problem with that is?
 
2012-12-03 01:19:15 PM

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


It will never get that far. We'll go over the cliff, some of the Republicans will panic or see an opportunity, and we'll get a deal hashed out before the end of February. Then they can go back and reinstate the funds and tax cuts.

It has nothing to do with the reach and power of the federal government, though. That's just a Rushism.
 
2012-12-03 01:20:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: No subby is wrong with her headline.

The article says: " his answer boils down to this: you first." so as is typical, 0bama does not have a specific proposal only campaign slogans.


THE US CONSTITUTION:

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.


Why do you and Republicans hate the constitution and want Obama to ignore it?
 
2012-12-03 01:20:40 PM

Tyee: FTFAAmid demands from Republicans that President Obama propose detailed new spending cuts to avert the year-end fiscal crisis, his answer boils down to this: you first.

Using the "you first" approach to leadership, that is so strong dude!  But then if he truly had a mandate...


Still trying, huh? Bless your heart.
 
2012-12-03 01:21:48 PM

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


Sounds to me like the GOP should quit behaving like chickensh*t children and start compromising, then. The ball's in their court.
 
2012-12-03 01:22:20 PM
Obama: Here's a train wreck in the making

GOP: How bout no?

Liberals: The party of NO! Waaah!
 
2012-12-03 01:22:41 PM
Look like the right wing trolls are coming back from licking their wounds from the "Romney landslide" they told us was going to happen.
 
2012-12-03 01:22:58 PM

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


You need to go tell the nurse you palmed your meds Instead of taking them before she read your post and revokes your Internet privileges again.
 
2012-12-03 01:23:17 PM

randomjsa: Obama: Here's a train wreck in the making

GOP: How bout no?

Liberals: The party of NO! Waaah!


Who won the election. Where is the GOP plan?
 
2012-12-03 01:24:10 PM

Corvus: Why do you and Republicans hate the constitution and want Obama to ignore it?


Anyone can come up with a budget, it just has to be introduce in the House. Obama has put out tons of budgets, the Republicans just mention he hasn't because they haven't seen one they like
 
2012-12-03 01:24:20 PM

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


"Obama is going to declare himself dictator!"

"Any day now ..."

"Just you wait ..."

"You'll be sorry ..."

"He's gonna take your guns ..."

"Soon moose-lambs will run 'Merika ..."

"Shirea Law for all of us! ..."

"Boy, are you gonna look stupid!"

... and so forth.
 
2012-12-03 01:24:25 PM
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-03 01:24:32 PM
I know this is the GOP we're talking about here, but at this point I just can't see how they think digging their heela in and throwing obstructionist tantrums will make them look any better to the voting populace.
 
2012-12-03 01:24:43 PM

randomjsa: Obama: Here's a train wreck in the making

GOP: How bout no? how can we make it worse?

Liberals: you're kidding right?


fixed that for you.
 
2012-12-03 01:25:01 PM

randomjsa: Obama: Here's a train wreck in the making

GOP: How bout no?

Liberals: The party of NO! Waaah!


shiat and run shill like typing detected.
 
2012-12-03 01:25:40 PM
We should just go over the cliff... it's better than setting a precedent of negotiating with legislative terrorists.
 
2012-12-03 01:26:12 PM

Corvus: randomjsa: Obama: Here's a train wreck in the making

GOP: How bout no?

Liberals: The party of NO! Waaah!

Who won the election. Where is the GOP plan?


I have the GOP plan right here.

blogs.kansas.com

Counter that Libtard!
 
2012-12-03 01:26:16 PM

Corvus: randomjsa: Obama: Here's a train wreck in the making

GOP: How bout no?

Liberals: The party of NO! Waaah!

Who won the election. Where is the GOP plan?


Better: The GOP won the House. ORIGINATE A BILL TO RAISE REVENUE, like the Constitution says you should, you pasty, ignorant little derpfactories. Have the Chair of the House Admin Committee write it all fancy-like, just to keep her busy.

// it's right there, just before the part that says you can pray to whichever flavor of Jesus goes down smoothest
// is this why they're not gonna waste a lot of time reading that silly piece of paper again?
 
2012-12-03 01:26:21 PM

Jim_Callahan: SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.

I have a non-crazy version of this to contribute to the thread:

Obama doesn't mind hitting the fiscal cliff. As the boss of the executive, he's been planning for every contingency, and his departments will be ready to deal with it if it actually hits. He's been working with people in the government to make sure no one is caught off-guard and things go, if not as well as he'd like, then at least relatively smoothly. He's been making sure the economy won't crash over this, at least.

So he doesn't have to worry. While the GOP have put literally every last one of their political eggs in the basket where he caves, he's made sure that he'll be (legitimately) viewed as doing exceptionally well with a bad situation created entirely by the GOP.


the right kinda sees it as a tear it down to build it back up strategy. The fiscal cliff is one way to kind of tear down the old, prejudiced, antiquated institutions in this country and then rebuild the country with new, enlightened, fairer institutions.

For example, 401Ks. 401Ks benefit the rich at the expense of the poor. We go over the fiscal cliff, then we nationalize 401Ks. Or we make it mandatory employers have to give every employee a 401K. We mandate that 3% of every person's salary go into a 401K and that goes into an account the government administers and then they pay it out to you when you retire. That is an example. Sounds just like doubling down on social security to me, but that is what people are throwing out there.
 
2012-12-03 01:26:57 PM
I'm hoping that Nancy Pelosi can pull off the manuever that puts the middle class tax cut extension up for a vote. Let the farking Republicans vote no, or lose their hostages. Either way, things will look so much better after 2014 when the GOP clown show achieves permanent minority status.
 
2012-12-03 01:27:40 PM

randomjsa: Obama: Here's a train wreck in the making

GOP: How bout no?

Liberals: The party of NO! Waaah! It is your congressional obligation to propose a revenue plan.

GOP: Cut entitlements!

Liberals: What entitlements?

GOP: Banghazi!

Liberals: Huh?

GOP: Why haven't you offered us a plan?

Obama: I did...

GOP: BENGHAZI!!!!!


FTFY
 
2012-12-03 01:27:55 PM

firefly212: We should just go over the cliff... it's better than setting a precedent of negotiating with legislative terrorists.


yeah first thing they'll do is come running back for that 98% offer with the 4 trillion in spending cuts
 
2012-12-03 01:28:01 PM

Brubold: JerseyTim: The Republicans don't want to negotiate. They want Obama to negotiate against himself. They're not going to offer counter proposals, they're only going to feign outrage at everything Obama does.

It would help if Obama had even started to meet them halfway. From what I've seen so far his proposal has no entitlement reform and didn't add any spending cuts.


Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! It is like you did not even pay attention the last four years. Every time President Obama met the Republitards half way they took what they liked out of his proposal, attacked what they did not, and demanded more then ever had a right to get. Obama then caved on almost everything to get the few things that were non-negotiable to him.

No, President Obama should not meet the Republitards half way, hell even this proposal is way too moderate. He should be demanding 1.6 trillion in new tax revenu a year instead of over 10 years. He should demand that we close the deficit through tax increase right here and right now. No entitlement reform, no program cuts, 1.6 trillion in new tax revenue next year.
 
2012-12-03 01:28:05 PM

nmemkha: SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.

"Obama is going to declare himself dictator!"

"Any day now ..."

"Just you wait ..."

"You'll be sorry ..."

"He's gonna take your guns ..."

"Soon moose-lambs will run 'Merika ..."

"Shirea Law for all of us! ..."

"Boy, are you gonna look stupid!"

... and so forth.


Remember way back in the 2004 election when Bush was supposed to claim Martial Law so he didn't have to worry about the election? Funny how every President wants to be a dictator
 
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