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(The New York Times)   Obama: $1.6 trillion in taxes on the wealthy, $50 billion in short-term stimulus spending and $612 billion in recycled cuts. GOP: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. Obama: Ok...what's YOUR proposal then? GOP: *crickets*. The Party of 'No' is back, baby   (nytimes.com) divider line 456
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2012-12-03 09:23:18 AM  
Republicans erupted in outrage, though they produced no specific alternative. Instead, they noted they had expressed newfound willingness since the election to increase tax revenue by limiting deductions for the wealthy, though not by raising rates.

Oh, well since they've expressed willingness, it's all good then. I mean, how can you possible expect them to go all the way to doing something, after using up all that goodwill and energy to express willingness? Why does Obama refuse to work with them, when they're trying so hard to help the ri- er, the country?
 
2012-12-03 09:33:07 AM  
emboldened by a clear if close election to a second

It wasn't that close of an election. It was no Roosevelt vs. Landon but it wasn't a Hayes vs. Tilden affair, either.
 
2012-12-03 09:37:00 AM  
The Republicans don't want to negotiate. They want Obama to negotiate against himself. They're not going to offer counter proposals, they're only going to feign outrage at everything Obama does.
 
2012-12-03 09:39:43 AM  
The party of no ideas except text cuts for rich of course and corporations and anybody who outsources labor to another country
 
2012-12-03 09:39:59 AM  

whistleridge: Republicans erupted in outrage, though they produced no specific alternative. Instead, they noted they had expressed newfound willingness since the election to increase tax revenue by limiting deductions for the wealthy, though not by raising rates.

Oh, well since they've expressed willingness, it's all good then. I mean, how can you possible expect them to go all the way to doing something, after using up all that goodwill and energy to express willingness? Why does Obama refuse to work with them, when they're trying so hard to help the ri- er, the country?


I expressed a willingness to put the garbage out this morning. Didn't do it but I was willing.
 
2012-12-03 09:41:13 AM  

mrshowrules: whistleridge: Republicans erupted in outrage, though they produced no specific alternative. Instead, they noted they had expressed newfound willingness since the election to increase tax revenue by limiting deductions for the wealthy, though not by raising rates.

Oh, well since they've expressed willingness, it's all good then. I mean, how can you possible expect them to go all the way to doing something, after using up all that goodwill and energy to express willingness? Why does Obama refuse to work with them, when they're trying so hard to help the ri- er, the country?

I expressed a willingness to put the garbage out this morning. Didn't do it but I was willing.


You may be on to something there. I think I'm going to express a willingness to go to work today, but stay home and collect my paycheck anyway. Score!
 
2012-12-03 10:19:12 AM  

whistleridge: mrshowrules: whistleridge: Republicans erupted in outrage, though they produced no specific alternative. Instead, they noted they had expressed newfound willingness since the election to increase tax revenue by limiting deductions for the wealthy, though not by raising rates.

Oh, well since they've expressed willingness, it's all good then. I mean, how can you possible expect them to go all the way to doing something, after using up all that goodwill and energy to express willingness? Why does Obama refuse to work with them, when they're trying so hard to help the ri- er, the country?

I expressed a willingness to put the garbage out this morning. Didn't do it but I was willing.

You may be on to something there. I think I'm going to express a willingness to go to work today, but stay home and collect my paycheck anyway. Score!


One rule for them, another rule for us.
 
2012-12-03 10:20:25 AM  
Boo hoo. Cry more.
 
2012-12-03 10:20:53 AM  
Close election? As of 15 hours ago, Obama had 4,632,588 more votes than Romney.
 
2012-12-03 10:24:30 AM  

RexTalionis: Close election? As of 15 hours ago, Obama had 4,632,588 more votes than Romney.


Yeah, but how many of those were from people making $50,000/yr. or more? You know, Real People.
 
2012-12-03 10:25:39 AM  
Clearly this is all a distraction for the fact that Democrats have never passed a budget!! Lazy farks.
 
2012-12-03 10:30:40 AM  

mrshowrules: I expressed a willingness to put the garbage out this morning. Didn't do it but I was willing.


Well you can just make Mr. How Rules do it for you anyway so who cares
 
2012-12-03 10:36:33 AM  
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2012-12-03 10:38:08 AM  
I wonder if the President has heard of Paul Krugman? Cause he has done nothing but biatch about the Republican plan, I guess he saw one.
 
2012-12-03 10:38:55 AM  
Raharu: The party of no ideas except text cuts for rich of course and corporations and anybody who outsources labor to another country

Here we have somebody who is so far removed from actually contributing anything, from actually carrying some of the burden, that the very concepts of "taxes" and "tax cuts" are just a vague abstract notions to ridicule the rich with. People who actually pay taxes don't confuse them with textses
 
2012-12-03 10:42:14 AM  

kmmontandon: RexTalionis: Close election? As of 15 hours ago, Obama had 4,632,588 more votes than Romney.

Yeah, but how many of those were from^white people making $50,000/yr. or more? You know, Real People.


Blacks, Hispanics or Asians making $50K+ don't count.
 
2012-12-03 10:43:22 AM  
Cole went on the talk shows yesterday and said the GOP has no need to ever offer specifics.
 
2012-12-03 10:48:31 AM  
Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick....
 
2012-12-03 10:49:06 AM  
Disciplined and unyielding, he argues for raising taxes on the wealthy while offering nothing new to rein in spending and overhaul entitlement programs beyond what was on the table last year. Until Republicans offer their own new plan, Mr. Obama will not alter his.

Sounds like Obama has finally learned Rule #1 of negotiating: Don't negotiate against yourself.

About time.
 
2012-12-03 10:57:54 AM  

gilgigamesh: Disciplined and unyielding, he argues for raising taxes on the wealthy while offering nothing new to rein in spending and overhaul entitlement programs beyond what was on the table last year. Until Republicans offer their own new plan, Mr. Obama will not alter his.

Sounds like Obama has finally learned Rule #1 of negotiating: Don't negotiate against yourself.

About time.


I really don't think the GOP gets it: Obama is not going to sweat this. He doesn't need to, and he knows it. Instead, he's going to take his Christmas vacation, he's going to go play golf, and if a deal doesn't happen, oh well. He gets a lot of the cuts he wants anyway, and if there's any fallout it's going to fall on the GOP.

It's the same as the Clinton impeachment: they were soooo sure they had him, but then they got killed, his approval ratings stayed at record highs and 20 years later it's the judgment of history that they were being petty tools. And that's what will happen now as well.

Prediction: GOP comes up with a pathetically not-sufficient 'compromise' at the 11th hour, Obama says no. The fiscal cuts happen. The economy dips for little, but nothing serious. 3 years from now, the economy has added 8 to 9 million jobs. And 6 years from now, the GOP tries to claim credit for it, the same as they try to claim the Clinton budget for Gingrich now.
 
2012-12-03 11:08:53 AM  

whistleridge: Prediction: GOP comes up with a pathetically not-sufficient 'compromise' at the 11th hour


Here's one rumor. Link
 
2012-12-03 11:14:45 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: whistleridge: Prediction: GOP comes up with a pathetically not-sufficient 'compromise' at the 11th hour

Here's one rumor. Link


They've categorically rejected extending the middle class cuts without the top cuts too. There's no way they let that through.
 
2012-12-03 11:23:32 AM  
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Congress has the power

To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
 
2012-12-03 11:28:43 AM  
Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.
 
2012-12-03 11:30:42 AM  

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


You are a farking crazy person.
 
2012-12-03 11:32:15 AM  

Tigger: You are a farking crazy person.


Which is exactly why you shouldn't be responding to him.
 
2012-12-03 11:35:14 AM  

eraser8: Tigger: You are a farking crazy person.

Which is exactly why you shouldn't be responding to him.


The whole premise of this site is responding to crazy people.
 
2012-12-03 11:35:44 AM  

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government. He knows that we can't fix our severely damaged finances by continuing to have a defense budget that is ten times bigger than that of the next biggest military on Earth.


FTFY

The right acts like this is a video game, with cheat codes. Of course it's easy to win. You just auto-upgrade all your cities to the top of the tech tree, then give yourself a cash bonus afterwards. Upkeep costs don't exist, because you'll just punch in a new code every five or six turns and presto! new money!
 
2012-12-03 11:40:35 AM  

GAT_00: eraser8: Tigger: You are a farking crazy person.

Which is exactly why you shouldn't be responding to him.

The whole premise of this site is responding to crazy people.


I agree.

crashchords.com
 
2012-12-03 11:48:19 AM  
Maybe Boehner DID make an offer, but his statesmanlike words of compromise were muffled by Grover Norquist's testicles?
 
2012-12-03 11:51:48 AM  

BKITU: GAT_00: eraser8: Tigger: You are a farking crazy person.

Which is exactly why you shouldn't be responding to him.

The whole premise of this site is responding to crazy people.

I agree.

/  [crashchords.com image 72x48]


Yes, that was the point.
 
2012-12-03 11:59:01 AM  

SlothB77: Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.


Putting aside the fact you are detached from reality, if this is true, why is the GOP letting have his way?
 
2012-12-03 12:06:15 PM  

GAT_00: Dusk-You-n-Me: whistleridge: Prediction: GOP comes up with a pathetically not-sufficient 'compromise' at the 11th hour

Here's one rumor. Link

They've categorically rejected extending the middle class cuts without the top cuts too. There's no way they let that through.


Trying to follow the logic here. They plan on giving up one thing the White House has offered and getting nothing in return. Then turn around and use the debt ceiling as a hostage again when groups like the chamber of commerce are urging republicans to make a deal on the debt ceiling.

Sure go ahead and piss off the voters and your supporters. Good plan.
 
2012-12-03 12:06:18 PM  
Well it was all planned out compromise of all these automatic cuts go into effect and they cut deep into defense spending. there was never any plan to actually honor the agreement because dumbshiats figured they'd win the election and are now being all pissy about it. Please Republicans go right ahead and continue to be obstinate, uncompromising, and then spend all your time talking about rape and the evil gay conspiracies. Nail that coffin shut.

You know they'll have to flinch eventually.
 
2012-12-03 12:07:39 PM  

sammyk: Trying to follow the logic here.


Well there's your problem.
 
2012-12-03 12:16:05 PM  

sammyk:

Sure go ahead and piss off the voters and your supporters. Good plan.


it's all they've got right now. according to the GOP spreadsheets, Obama was supposed to be gone. Romney was the chosen one, HE was supposed to be in the white house. they never planned on Romney actually losing.
 
2012-12-03 12:16:54 PM  
It is kind of smart, assuming they can get the Dems can get the narrative in the paper. Either:

1.) The Republicans put out a bill that their base will like, but the entire rest of the country will hate and the Dems can use it to hang the Republicans with for the rest of this process

2.) The Republicans put out a bill that is closer to being a real bill, after which they'll all be called RINOs by their base and depress their own base's turnout for the next House election

There doesn't seem to be a 3rd alternative
 
2012-12-03 12:32:58 PM  
Obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants those large cuts to defense to go into effect. He wants the economy to crash again. When it does, he can introduce new reforms that will significantly expand the reach and power of the federal government.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-03 12:33:06 PM  
Obama's not being hard enough on them. He should demand an immediate lay-down on any pending White House appointments, passing a gay-marriage bill, and filibuster reform before the GOP is even allowed to sit at the table and plead their case on fiscal policy.
 
2012-12-03 12:33:16 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if the President has heard of Paul Krugman? Cause he has done nothing but biatch about the Republican plan, I guess he saw one.


Close unspecified loopholes is a tax plan now?
 
2012-12-03 12:36:23 PM  
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 7 -- All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives

Shouldn't the House of Representatives be the ones submitting the proposals?
 
2012-12-03 12:36:53 PM  
FTA: When he crafted a stimulus spending program to bolster the economy shortly after taking office, Mr. Obama devoted roughly a third of the money to tax cuts that he assumed Republicans would like. They did not. Likewise, his framework for universal health care included free-market elements that he thought Republicans would embrace. They did not.

My favorite part of TFA. The Times' eternal penchant for understatement still amuses me.
 
2012-12-03 12:37:30 PM  

Muta: US Constitution, Article 1, Section 7 -- All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives

Shouldn't the House of Representatives be the ones submitting the proposals?


the President is permitted to make suggestions. Hell, ALL of us are allowed to make suggestions on budget issues. its just that the President gets heard more often than you or I.
 
2012-12-03 12:38:43 PM  

mrshowrules: whistleridge: Republicans erupted in outrage, though they produced no specific alternative. Instead, they noted they had expressed newfound willingness since the election to increase tax revenue by limiting deductions for the wealthy, though not by raising rates.

Oh, well since they've expressed willingness, it's all good then. I mean, how can you possible expect them to go all the way to doing something, after using up all that goodwill and energy to express willingness? Why does Obama refuse to work with them, when they're trying so hard to help the ri- er, the country?

I expressed a willingness to put the garbage out this morning. Didn't do it but I was willing.


A newfound willingness? Was that a change from "when the n****r burns in hell" to "when he eats the peanuts outta my shiat"?
 
2012-12-03 12:38:51 PM  

Fart_Machine: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if the President has heard of Paul Krugman? Cause he has done nothing but biatch about the Republican plan, I guess he saw one.

Close unspecified loopholes is a tax plan now?


It's sort of like how those crazy purge diets cleanse your body of unspecified toxins
 
2012-12-03 12:39:12 PM  

Weaver95: Muta: US Constitution, Article 1, Section 7 -- All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives

Shouldn't the House of Representatives be the ones submitting the proposals?

the President is permitted to make suggestions. Hell, ALL of us are allowed to make suggestions on budget issues. its just that the President gets heard more often than you or I.


So... No budget then?
 
2012-12-03 12:39:26 PM  
I hope this is the first of many instances of the GOP getting a good taste of the President's biatch-slapper now that his reelection days are behind him.
 
2012-12-03 12:40:19 PM  

bwilson27:
So... No budget then?


the GOP's fall back position is to dig in their heels and say no to everything. they don't have a plan for Obama getting re-elected.
 
2012-12-03 12:40:26 PM  
Chuck Norris? Check

No David Frum? Check
 
2012-12-03 12:41:24 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if the President has heard of Paul Krugman? Cause he has done nothing but biatch about the Republican plan, I guess he saw one.


From his Op-Ed of this morning:

"So what are Republicans offering as an alternative? They say they want to rely mainly on spending cuts instead. Which spending cuts? Ah, that's a mystery. In fact, until late last week, as far as I can tell, no leading Republican had been willing to say anything specific at all about how spending should be cut.

The veil lifted a bit when Senator Mitch McConnell, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, finally mentioned a few things - raising the Medicare eligibility age, increasing Medicare premiums for high-income beneficiaries and changing the inflation adjustment for Social Security. But it's not clear whether these represent an official negotiating position - and in any case, the arithmetic just doesn't work."

Sounds like the same complaint from the rest of the Democratic camp.
 
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