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2012-12-03 09:01:19 AM  
It is very important to boldly treat the underlining issues.
 
2012-12-03 09:10:53 AM  
Somebody get that man a piece of pie! That's what he wants!
 
2012-12-03 09:16:28 AM  
This is important!!!
 
2012-12-03 09:19:43 AM  
Pie is code language for booze right?
 
2012-12-03 09:34:41 AM  
It's a nice gift, but having a pair of nice boots will make him a target.
 
2012-12-03 09:44:05 AM  
These boots are made for walking, but that ain't what they'll do
 
2012-12-03 09:47:28 AM  
No good deed.....
 
2012-12-03 09:58:48 AM  
Underlining? In this context, is that a new way of saying underpants?

If so, fixing a man's underlining issues is quite important.
 
2012-12-03 09:59:21 AM  
Bare feet=more donations
 
2012-12-03 10:06:34 AM  
That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.
 
2012-12-03 10:18:35 AM  
A microcosm of the War on Poverty(tm)
 
2012-12-03 10:36:45 AM  
www.funkyretrocool.com
 
2012-12-03 10:37:01 AM  

mr_a: It is very important to boldly treat the underlining issues.


I lol'ed. Sorry I compared your intelligence (unfavorably) to Bob Costas in the other thread.
 
2012-12-03 10:37:30 AM  

RexTalionis: It's a nice gift, but having a pair of nice boots will make him a target.


Give him some rags to wrap around the boots.

If you're homeless I imagine you would value keeping your feet warm and comfortable more than making a fashion statement.

Then again this guy may have just wanted booze more.
 
2012-12-03 10:38:21 AM  
This is the cop I grew up with.
Shame ya'll rarely meet him these days.
 
2012-12-03 10:39:26 AM  
Sad
 
2012-12-03 10:41:15 AM  
He wants a piece of the pie? Quick, someone set this guy up with a free Facebook account and shift over 75% of those "Likes". I think 75% is a fair cut.
 
2012-12-03 10:41:59 AM  
Hate to say it, but how much you want to bet he sold/swapped them for some sauce?
 
2012-12-03 10:42:03 AM  

mr_a: It is very important to boldly treat the underlining issues

where no issues have been treated before! 

--Shoe Trek
 
2012-12-03 10:42:09 AM  
The cake is a lie.
 
2012-12-03 10:42:20 AM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


He hid the boots because he knew he'd be mugged for them. I don't see any mental illness in that.
 
2012-12-03 10:43:03 AM  
Here you go, shoeless, homeless moran, your piece of the pie for that picture:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-03 10:43:45 AM  
Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic
 
2012-12-03 10:43:57 AM  
I didn't read any of the original threads if there were any, but someone had to have called this. Homeless people are homeless for a reason. They deserve our efforts and our passion, but you have to be willing to accept that, for many, your help is temporary. I sort of think of it as treating a terminally ill patient. Just make it as reasonably comfortable and dignified as you can while they're still on earth.
 
2012-12-03 10:44:30 AM  
Actually he probably sold them for a bottle on MD 20 20
/cynical old bastard
 
2012-12-03 10:44:47 AM  
Ow, right in the grammar box.
 
2012-12-03 10:45:01 AM  
I have a solution. Cut the man's feet off that way he can sell his boots for much needed cash.
 
2012-12-03 10:45:44 AM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


www.boingboing.net
 
2012-12-03 10:46:23 AM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic


He might be a Tisch student or a performance artist.
 
2012-12-03 10:46:53 AM  
Hidden at the pawn shop. And they hid 10 bucks in his pocket before he left.
 
2012-12-03 10:47:53 AM  
Those boots are safely tucked away in Boone's Farm.
 
2012-12-03 10:48:00 AM  
"hidden because they're worth a lot of money"

More like "I pawned them and bought a buncha Richard's Wild Irish Rose"
 
2012-12-03 10:48:20 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Pie is code language for booze right?


I would have said meth or crack.
 
2012-12-03 10:48:30 AM  
Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.
 
2012-12-03 10:48:32 AM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


I wholeheartedly agree, but something I've witnessed while living in Manhattan is people's unwillingness to accept that they need help. Patients' rights are that they can refuse treatment, so being forcibly committed is extremely difficult. Just the other day, I rode the train with a woman who burst out shrieking at the top of her lungs because she thought the other commuters' newspapers, if read on the train, would pose a deadly threat (Seemed like OCD/Schizophrenia). It was terrifying, but the woman didn't see anything wrong with her fears and didn't seem to realize the problem. She was normal, we were the fools with the deadly newspapers.

As a side note, I wouldn't give someone who is homeless any trade-able good; not because "he'll just sell it for crack", but because it could make him/her an easy mark for theft and attack. I will give them food, but if you'd like to donate, give to homeless shelters and outreach programs.
 
2012-12-03 10:48:40 AM  
Give a man a bus ticket to Florida and he becomes a problem for someone else.
 
2012-12-03 10:49:25 AM  

LesserEvil: Here you go, shoeless, homeless moran, your piece of the pie for that picture:


One, two, three four, Jeffrey deserves more.....money
 
2012-12-03 10:49:26 AM  
Damn, you guys are fast. There were no references to rot-gut wine, and in the 1 minute it took me to write my post almost every brand was mentioned!
 
2012-12-03 10:49:26 AM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


We actually used to institutionalize the mentally ill. But then people would put Aunt Ginny in the asylum to get her house or put their wild son Ronny or their gay son Ronny in an asylum because he was just too hard to handle. The only answer was to swing the pendulum 100% the other way and close down all the Asylums and make it very hard to institutionalize anyone. So instead of One Flew over the Cuckoo's Next, you get the streets full of the Mentally Ill. Progress!

//I have no idea how to solve this problem but there must be some middle ground somewhere that protects people while letting those that need help get help even against their unstable will.
 
2012-12-03 10:49:43 AM  
Hid them? LOL!!!
 
2012-12-03 10:50:20 AM  

Tax Boy: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

[www.boingboing.net image 368x340]


I think the adage is (too lazy to look it up) that if each nation gave up just 1% of its GDP $, all poverty could be eradicated.
 
2012-12-03 10:51:14 AM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic


upload.wikimedia.org
Blind Willie

Synopsis:

First published in the limited edition, Six Stories, this story tells of a man who pretends to be blind and makes his living panhandling on the streets of New York. In the past, bribing the police has kept him from being arrested but he has finally met one who may not take money for an answer.
 
2012-12-03 10:52:10 AM  

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Yep. You're a douche.
 
2012-12-03 10:53:26 AM  

ristst: Damn, you guys are fast. There were no references to rot-gut wine, and in the 1 minute it took me to write my post almost every brand was mentioned!


You are dealing with a website full of rotgut wine connoisseurs.

/September 24th was a fine vintage, by the way.
 
2012-12-03 10:54:04 AM  
This is a prime example of why you should donate to homeless shelters and reputable aid organizations and NOT give donations directly to homeless people. Not only will the charity prioritize your donation to get to the people who need or deserve it the most, many also provide the vital service of following up with the recipient and working with them for the longer-term.
 
2012-12-03 10:56:18 AM  
Did the photographer make any money from her photo?
 
2012-12-03 10:56:46 AM  

indarwinsshadow: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x298]
Blind Willie

Synopsis:

First published in the limited edition, Six Stories, this story tells of a man who pretends to be blind and makes his living panhandling on the streets of New York. In the past, bribing the police has kept him from being arrested but he has finally met one who may not take money for an answer.


Blatant ripoff
 
2012-12-03 10:57:17 AM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


You can thank Ronald Reagan for that.
 
2012-12-03 10:57:35 AM  
Shouldn't the woman who took the picture be arrested for photographing the cops?
 
2012-12-03 10:58:36 AM  
Underlying issues ehy? Is podectomy a thing? Should I start an indiegogo foot removal page?
 
2012-12-03 10:59:08 AM  

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Never survived a true disaster.eh?
 
2012-12-03 10:59:17 AM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


but but but but SOCIALISM!
 
2012-12-03 10:59:45 AM  
Cop was supposed to smack the bum in the ankles with his billy club once the transient put his boots on.
He wouldn't be able to pull them off after they are nice and swollen.
 
2012-12-03 11:00:16 AM  

occamswrist: Shouldn't the woman who took the picture be arrested for photographing the cops?


Of course not. It's a publicity stunt to make cops look good.
 
2012-12-03 11:00:29 AM  

TheHighlandHowler: Bare feet=more donations


Damn, I thought I was a cynic, but you people put me to shame.

Is it really that far fetched to believe that someone at the rock-bottom of society (or under it) would murder or assault you for your very nice boots? It's much more understandable (if not actually any better) than stealing a nice car or iPad. There's no reason to be certain it's a cynical ploy.

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Yeesh, or to assume that it's NYPD propaganda. I don't blame them for using it as such, but implying that it's staged is beyond the pale. Of course, the depth of your rant probably means I'm just feeding a troll, but damn, man, if I'm not...
 
2012-12-03 11:00:39 AM  

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Your cynic is showing. In theory, someone becomes a police officer to help their community. As often as we see them corrupt the job into something else, there's still an element there. Don't get me wrong, I always feel a stab of fear when I see a cop, whether I'm doing something illegal or not. And I hate to tell you, but if the day comes (disaster, etc) the strongest, meanest bastards with the most food, guns, and manpower are going to be running things, at least for awhile.(See: Chivalric History) "True Character" is a nice notion though. In plan to be there if I can: EMT trained, hobby blacksmith, not a bad shot and I can distill medical-grade alcohol. I'm also something of a storyteller and have read hundreds of books, fiction and non.

/Yes, I'm caught up on the Walking Dead comics
 
2012-12-03 11:01:01 AM  

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


And if they're smart, everyone will stay far away from you.
 
2012-12-03 11:01:05 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

He hid the boots because he knew he'd be mugged for them. I don't see any mental illness in that.


Exactly.
 
2012-12-03 11:01:16 AM  

snocone: Never survived a true disaster.eh?


Yes. Have.you?
 
2012-12-03 11:02:03 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.

Yep. You're a douche.


That was how I read it too.
 
2012-12-03 11:04:13 AM  

Tax Boy: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

[www.boingboing.net image 368x340]


And there you are.
 
2012-12-03 11:04:17 AM  
There was another story floating around about this guy (the bootless/shoeless one) and his brother was quoted as saying something to the effect of "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting, and eventually people get tired of putting up with their shiat....
 
2012-12-03 11:04:32 AM  

Brainsick: And I hate to tell you, but if the day comes (disaster, etc) the strongest, meanest bastards with the most food, guns, and manpower are going to be running things, at least for awhile.


We can all dream, or have a plan!
 
2012-12-03 11:05:06 AM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic


It's possible he's a cyborg and thus invulnerable to temperature extremes or even registering hot or cold as we understand it.
 
2012-12-03 11:06:42 AM  

chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,


Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.
 
2012-12-03 11:06:50 AM  
Was the underlying issue that he wasn't on fire?
 
2012-12-03 11:09:26 AM  

Godscrack: chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,

Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.


They pretty much are.

Why else would you be on the streets?
 
2012-12-03 11:10:12 AM  

Snarfangel: mr_a: It is very important to boldly treat the underlining issues where no issues have been treated before! 

--Shoe Trek


Al Bundy?
 
2012-12-03 11:10:48 AM  
Give a man a pair of boots his feet will be warm for a night. Don't teach a man to stay warm...and warm yourself. He's a grown man. And putting on shoes is not not hard.
 
2012-12-03 11:11:13 AM  

Godscrack: chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,

Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.


yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of homeless people are perfectly well-adjusted and happy....
 
2012-12-03 11:12:20 AM  

Godscrack: chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,

Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.



Wait, what are the other reasons for being homeless on the street? I can't recall them.
 
2012-12-03 11:12:24 AM  

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


First, take a deep breath and exhale.

Second-How many homeless people do you interact with on a daily basis, and how many are you trying to help?

I know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.
 
2012-12-03 11:13:05 AM  

chevydeuce: yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of homeless people are perfectly well-adjusted and happy...


It's fun to watch from a safe distance isn't it?
 
2012-12-03 11:13:06 AM  

BigNumber12: Was the underlying issue that he wasn't on fire?


The underlying issue was that the shoes were flame retardant.
 
2012-12-03 11:13:19 AM  
And putting on shoes is not that hard.

/stupid Monday
 
2012-12-03 11:14:28 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Second-How many homeless people do you interact with on a daily basis, and how many are you trying to help?


Regularly. And none of your business.
 
2012-12-03 11:15:16 AM  
Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

Worth a lot more money not on his feet when it comes to people giving him money I'd imagine
 
2012-12-03 11:16:01 AM  

Godscrack: Brainsick: And I hate to tell you, but if the day comes (disaster, etc) the strongest, meanest bastards with the most food, guns, and manpower are going to be running things, at least for awhile.

We can all dream, or have a plan!


No. No we can't. That's the reality. That's life, at the level of tooth and claw. Survival is not a pantry full of canned goods, a stockpile of ammo and a warm house with fire and water ready. That would be civilization. The type of survival you're thinking of hasn't been an issue for 200 years or so in the developed world and NO ONE in the U.S., especially the 'survivalists' I've met, is 'ready' in that sense.
 
2012-12-03 11:16:30 AM  

skullkrusher: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

Worth a lot more money not on his feet when it comes to people giving him money I'd imagine


A whole lot of this.

Dont want to fark up that "pity" image. Its the only way someone will throw a quarter his way.

You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.
 
2012-12-03 11:16:31 AM  
How did the cop know what size shoes to get him?
 
2012-12-03 11:18:16 AM  
Not with my tax dollars!
 
2012-12-03 11:19:53 AM  

Nobody else found it funny that the link directly above this one featured two police officers beating the shiat out of another homeless man?

Come on I couldn't have been the only one to notice it!!

know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.


No most police officers would rather throw you in jail than actually provide you with assistance once they've made up their mind about you. There are plenty enough examples and proof of that. Only the ignorant or disingenuous would argue against it.

Not that I fully blame the officers, the system is set up to where they are actively encourage to treat everyone like criminals, but it doesn't make it any better in my opinion.
 
2012-12-03 11:19:55 AM  

Godscrack: MycroftHolmes: Second-How many homeless people do you interact with on a daily basis, and how many are you trying to help?

Regularly. And none of your business.


So, none, and you hate everything. Will you come to my birthday party?
 
2012-12-03 11:20:01 AM  
Just want to point out as long as the photo is used editorially the guy has no claim to a piece of it.
 
2012-12-03 11:21:10 AM  

Dynascape: skullkrusher: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

Worth a lot more money not on his feet when it comes to people giving him money I'd imagine

A whole lot of this.

Dont want to fark up that "pity" image. Its the only way someone will throw a quarter his way.

You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.


guy still obviously has serious issues but he knows the game I'd imagine.
Doesn't detract from what that cop did.
 
2012-12-03 11:21:11 AM  
You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.


You're not poor if you own nice things!!!
 
2012-12-03 11:21:25 AM  

occamswrist: How did the cop know what size shoes to get him?


Good question. Street people with mental disabilities don't know what size shoes they wear. They probably slapped some ill fitting shoes on him, got the money shot, then later the man found the shoes uncomfortable.
 
2012-12-03 11:22:34 AM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Alas wealth and fair distribution of such wealth are two different things :(

Mind you public healthcare might help...
 
2012-12-03 11:22:36 AM  
Cop thought he was giving the guy a nice pair of boots to make his life better. The guy thought the cop was giving him an item of value which had to be traded or protected. This is what happens when incompatible worlds collide.
 
2012-12-03 11:23:20 AM  
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

/surprised no one posted it yet
 
2012-12-03 11:23:58 AM  

Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.


img24.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-03 11:24:28 AM  

Godscrack: chevydeuce: yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of homeless people are perfectly well-adjusted and happy...

It's fun to watch from a safe distance isn't it?


"Fun"? No, not at all...but as I said originally it is exhausting trying to help somebody who doesn't want help, eventually friends/family have to wash their the hands of the situation to save their own sanity...
 
2012-12-03 11:25:26 AM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic


In NYC, I got treated to the same sob story by the same man, on the same train, 1 year apart. He had just been diagnosed as HIV+ so his boyfriend beat him up and kicked him out, he went to the men's shelter, but had been robbed, all he had left was the clothes on his back and his glasses. Not even shoes. Can you believe that the exact same thing would happen to a man twice in his life?

I actually bought some of the other things vended on the trains, like M&Ms and such. But I never gave money to the sob stories. Also, look at their shoes, despite this story, is a worthwhile piece of advice. You'll be able to see a lot about their character in their shoes.
 
2012-12-03 11:25:45 AM  

Godscrack: Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.


Do you know how much a data plan is?

shiat. If you can afford a data plan but cant afford Section 8, there's a serious problem, and its NOT the system.
 
2012-12-03 11:25:50 AM  

Godscrack: Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.

[img24.imageshack.us image 502x469]


black guy = "homeless"?
Looks like that race card backfired
 
2012-12-03 11:26:34 AM  
At least the guy wasn't harassing anyone. One of the guys that usually hangs out at the exit ramps around here recently expanded his "business" He was hanging outside the Longhorn, with gas can in hand, asking for a dollar so he could get his family back home for the holidays. He used to work for food, but wants cash now.
 
2012-12-03 11:27:31 AM  
...but light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
 
2012-12-03 11:28:10 AM  
"Fun"? No, not at all...but as I said originally it is exhausting trying to help somebody who doesn't want help, eventually friends/family have to wash their the hands of the situation to save their own sanity...


It's almost as if some human beings have mental and physiological conditions that require more than family attention and help.

Real problems that need real medical and psychological care.

If only there was some sort of institution or body of power that could implement social programs to care and try to help those with such afflictions.

Thus creating a safer and overall higher quality of life for everyone. If only........
 
2012-12-03 11:28:33 AM  

Masta Kronix: Nobody else found it funny that the link directly above this one featured two police officers beating the shiat out of another homeless man?

Come on I couldn't have been the only one to notice it!!

know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.

No most police officers would rather throw you in jail than actually provide you with assistance once they've made up their mind about you. There are plenty enough examples and proof of that. Only the ignorant or disingenuous would argue against it.

Not that I fully blame the officers, the system is set up to where they are actively encourage to treat everyone like criminals, but it doesn't make it any better in my opinion.


Challenge: Not bad, you don't have to commit a crime or go into a group of people from a specific race and shout a slur. No this challenge is simple: Ask a NYC Street Cop (esp. Manhattan) for directions. No! Better yet, ask a NYC Cop to point you in the right direction. In reality, he will not reach into his holster; but that twitch in his eye? That's his murder fantasy, starring you. He doesn't stop crimes or help people. He yells at traffic and ignores you for $75K per year plus OT.
 
2012-12-03 11:29:58 AM  

Godscrack: People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Well, and the car, the guns, and the supplies I've bought because I'm not some sky-eyed dreamer..
 
2012-12-03 11:30:46 AM  

Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor


newnownext.mtvnimages.com

OBAMAPHONE
 
2012-12-03 11:31:46 AM  

Dynascape: Godscrack: Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.

Do you know how much a data plan is?

shiat. If you can afford a data plan but cant afford Section 8, there's a serious problem, and its NOT the system.



$45 a month is enough for Section 8? For someone on the street I would think that internet access is incredibly useful. You could look up things like weather, shelter information, and possibly network amongst people in similar situations (via email or text) for any opportunity to get ahead.
 
2012-12-03 11:31:50 AM  
At least the guy wasn't harassing anyone. One of the guys that usually hangs out at the exit ramps around here recently expanded his "business" He was hanging outside the Longhorn, with gas can in hand, asking for a dollar so he could get his family back home for the holidays. He used to work for food, but wants cash now.


I know right?

Don't you just hate it when those uppity poor people try and get money by any means necessary!

I wish they would just keep quiet and die peacefully under a bridge somewhere.
 
2012-12-03 11:33:07 AM  

Tax Boy: Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor

OBAMAPHONE


You cant even get text messages on "Obamaphones."

If you see them, they're tiny little pieces of shiat that a high-schooler wouldnt even use. Seriously.

Last week they had kiosk outside at a local gas station advertising "Free phones with a proof of government assistance"

Not to be cynical, but it was in a low-income area, and there was a HUGE line.
 
2012-12-03 11:35:09 AM  

better tell Aunt Bee to have my bean pie ready
www.screeninsults.com

get yer own damn pie.
4.bp.blogspot.com

 
2012-12-03 11:37:45 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Godscrack: People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.

Well, and the car, the guns, and the supplies I've bought because I'm not some sky-eyed dreamer..


If it's a small unarmed mob you're facing, you might get a couple, but after that, adios muchacho.

That aint no sky-eyed dream homey.
 
2012-12-03 11:40:22 AM  

MycroftHolmes: I know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.


Most cops I have seen are total dickwads. That is why they get up in arms about being video taped on the job, particularly for traffic stops. They are mainly just revenue generators for cities (see: speed traps)

There are certain exceptions, and I know some great cops, but a lot I have met are just bullies with badges.
 
2012-12-03 11:42:39 AM  
Challenge: Not bad, you don't have to commit a crime or go into a group of people from a specific race and shout a slur. No this challenge is simple: Ask a NYC Street Cop (esp. Manhattan) for directions. No! Better yet, ask a NYC Cop to point you in the right direction. In reality, he will not reach into his holster; but that twitch in his eye? That's his murder fantasy, starring you. He doesn't stop crimes or help people. He yells at traffic and ignores you for $75K per year plus OT.


Disingenuous - not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something that one really does.

What does asking a Police Officer for directions have to do with the way the Police in general are trained and how they view and interact with those they deem a threat? And for that matter how they make the decision as to whether or not you are a threat.

You seem to have access to the internet, go ahead and do a little research on the issue.

Here I'll give you a hand and give you a direct link to the Department of Justice saying just that of the New Orleans Police Department. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/March/11-crt-342.html

shiats real whether you like it or not.
 
2012-12-03 11:47:09 AM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: In NYC, I got treated to the same sob story by the same man, on the same train, 1 year apart. He had just been diagnosed as HIV+ so his boyfriend beat him up and kicked him out, he went to the men's shelter, but had been robbed, all he had left was the clothes on his back and his glasses. Not even shoes. Can you believe that the exact same thing would happen to a man twice in his life?


If the story works, they will keep using it.

When I lived in Hawaii, the same guy would come up to me every Wednesday when I went to a particular business office... he always had the exact same story.
 
2012-12-03 11:49:03 AM  
What a lot of you are failing to see is this:

The cop did a wonderful thing.
The fact that it wasn't appreciated by the homeless person is moot.
The cop did a fine thing, regardless of the outcome.

//daughter of cop; i.e.: "Badge Licker".
 
2012-12-03 11:52:56 AM  
If the story works, they will keep using it.

When I lived in Hawaii, the same guy would come up to me every Wednesday when I went to a particular business office... he always had the exact same story.


It's almost as if homeless people need to make themselves more desperate looking or sound more desperate in order for people to actually provide them with assistance and/or money.

You have a cell phone? Pshhh you should be able to afford a house, insurance, a car and 3 kids if you got a cell phone, I'm not giving you any money!
 
2012-12-03 11:54:08 AM  
The fact that it wasn't appreciated by the homeless person is moot.


Where has it been shown that this homeless man didn't appreciate the gift?
 
2012-12-03 11:56:40 AM  

jshine: ...but light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


A homeless man found on a South Tucson street earlier this month suffering from burns has died

I've seen your work.
 
2012-12-03 11:56:45 AM  

willfullyobscure: indarwinsshadow: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x298]
Blind Willie

Synopsis:

First published in the limited edition, Six Stories, this story tells of a man who pretends to be blind and makes his living panhandling on the streets of New York. In the past, bribing the police has kept him from being arrested but he has finally met one who may not take money for an answer.

Blatant ripoff


I have never read that story. Thanks for that.
 
2012-12-03 11:58:27 AM  

Masta Kronix: If the story works, they will keep using it.

When I lived in Hawaii, the same guy would come up to me every Wednesday when I went to a particular business office... he always had the exact same story.

It's almost as if homeless people need to make themselves more desperate looking or sound more desperate in order for people to actually provide them with assistance and/or money.

You have a cell phone? Pshhh you should be able to afford a house, insurance, a car and 3 kids if you got a cell phone, I'm not giving you any money!


Its resentment.

There's nothing wrong with it... but its what it comes down to.

When someone in front of me has all their groceries paid for with Food Stamps, and I put down a quarter of my paycheck for the same... it *does* feel resentful.

It doesnt matter that the person has 7 kids and no job. Its that bluntness that says "Im getting this for free. You arent."

It goes through all classes, creeds, and incomes.
 
2012-12-03 11:58:37 AM  
I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.
 
2012-12-03 11:59:02 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: mr_a: It is very important to boldly treat the underlining issues.

I lol'ed. Sorry I compared your intelligence (unfavorably) to Bob Costas in the other thread.


No problem.

And Bob Costas is probably smarter than both of us...unless you have figured out a way to make millions by taking into a piece of wire.
 
2012-12-03 11:59:50 AM  
...talking...

"L" key sticks
 
2012-12-03 12:00:06 PM  

Godscrack: occamswrist: How did the cop know what size shoes to get him?

Good question. Street people with mental disabilities don't know what size shoes they wear. They probably slapped some ill fitting shoes on him, got the money shot, then later the man found the shoes uncomfortable.


Seriously though. Stop posting. You got the attention you craved. Congrats. Time to move on.
 
2012-12-03 12:01:08 PM  

Dynascape: Masta Kronix: If the story works, they will keep using it.

When I lived in Hawaii, the same guy would come up to me every Wednesday when I went to a particular business office... he always had the exact same story.

It's almost as if homeless people need to make themselves more desperate looking or sound more desperate in order for people to actually provide them with assistance and/or money.

You have a cell phone? Pshhh you should be able to afford a house, insurance, a car and 3 kids if you got a cell phone, I'm not giving you any money!

Its resentment.

There's nothing wrong with it... but its what it comes down to.

When someone in front of me has all their groceries paid for with Food Stamps, and I put down a quarter of my paycheck for the same... it *does* feel resentful.

It doesnt matter that the person has 7 kids and no job. Its that bluntness that says "Im getting this for free. You arent."

It goes through all classes, creeds, and incomes.


Well just go be homeless, then you too can get food stamps (and 7 kids.)
 
2012-12-03 12:01:45 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I didn't read any of the original threads if there were any, but someone had to have called this. Homeless people are homeless for a reason. They deserve our efforts and our passion, but you have to be willing to accept that, for many, your help is temporary. I sort of think of it as treating a terminally ill patient. Just make it as reasonably comfortable and dignified as you can while they're still on earth.


I tip homeless people for the same reason I tip baristas: it makes me feel good. What they do with my tip is none of my business, nor is it within my control.
 
2012-12-03 12:02:43 PM  

machoprogrammer: MycroftHolmes: I know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.

Most cops I have seen are total dickwads. That is why they get up in arms about being video taped on the job, particularly for traffic stops. They are mainly just revenue generators for cities (see: speed traps)

There are certain exceptions, and I know some great cops, but a lot I have met are just bullies with badges.


So, this brings me back to my original point. My contention is, and remains, that cops act a certain way because of the job conditions and the behavior they have to deal with. So, if cops act like bullies, could it be because they are frequently placed in situation where control, and therefore safety, is dependent on maintaining dominance of the situation (which could be perceived as bullying).

Not saying that all police actions are appropriate, but whenever I hear 'All cops are (racists\thugs\bullies\criminals), I always stop and ask 'why do they act the way they act?'
 
2012-12-03 12:04:08 PM  
There's nothing wrong with it... but its what it comes down to.

When someone in front of me has all their groceries paid for with Food Stamps, and I put down a quarter of my paycheck for the same... it *does* feel resentful.

It doesnt matter that the person has 7 kids and no job. Its that bluntness that says "Im getting this for free. You arent."

It goes through all classes, creeds, and incomes.


I think you'll be surprised to know that a large majority of individuals receiving food stamps are employed.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Participation/2 0 10CharacteristicsSummary.pdf

Why do you feel resentment helping those who are less fortunate than you?
 
2012-12-03 12:05:35 PM  

Godscrack: jshine: ...but light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

A homeless man found on a South Tucson street earlier this month suffering from burns has died

I've seen your work.


Nah, I'm a theoretician.
 
2012-12-03 12:06:06 PM  

Masta Kronix: There's nothing wrong with it... but its what it comes down to.

When someone in front of me has all their groceries paid for with Food Stamps, and I put down a quarter of my paycheck for the same... it *does* feel resentful.

It doesnt matter that the person has 7 kids and no job. Its that bluntness that says "Im getting this for free. You arent."

It goes through all classes, creeds, and incomes.

I think you'll be surprised to know that a large majority of individuals receiving food stamps are employed.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Participation/2 0 10CharacteristicsSummary.pdf

Why do you feel resentment helping those who are less fortunate than you?


Your missing my point.

If myself were in the position to need food stamps, I definitely would take them. There's nothing wrong with social welfare.

But you have to acknowledge that a social welfare state will breed class resentment. Thats where people become assholes.

Hence, this thread.
 
2012-12-03 12:06:25 PM  
So, if cops act like bullies, could it be because they are frequently placed in situation where control, and therefore safety, is dependent on maintaining dominance of the situation (which could be perceived as bullying).

Not saying that all police actions are appropriate, but whenever I hear 'All cops are (racists\thugs\bullies\criminals), I always stop and ask 'why do they act the way they act?'


If a Police Officer acts like a Bully it's because they are not properly trained or mentally fit for the job.

It's really that simple.
 
2012-12-03 12:09:16 PM  

ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.


There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square
 
2012-12-03 12:10:08 PM  
But you have to acknowledge that a social welfare state will breed class resentment. Thats where people become assholes.


No ignorance breeds resentment.

Social Welfare actually brings about higher quality of life and living for society as a whole.

I hold no resentment to those on Welfare or for the fact that society needs Social Welfare programs. If I can understand it's necessity, so can others.

It's a matter of education and understanding the issues.
 
2012-12-03 12:13:28 PM  
New Fark handle: Photo-op-cop
 
2012-12-03 12:14:03 PM  

Godscrack: New Fark handle: Photo-op-cop


just stop, dude.
 
2012-12-03 12:14:07 PM  

skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square


One thing I've never understood: the 'I'm stuck' mentality. this one usually applies to inner-city 'bangers and the like. You could sling crack for a weekend and make enough to get a greyhound ticket to the middle of the woods in the middle of the country. Start a nice life that doesn't have anything to dowith gangs or drugs or being a stupid asshole. But they are stupid assholes, so they say "I do what I gotta, to get by" and "YOLO" and nothing changes.


/sorry, I had a point when that started
 
2012-12-03 12:14:43 PM  
If he wanted shoes, he would have had them.
If he wanted a roof over his head, he would have one.
 
2012-12-03 12:16:30 PM  

uberaverage: If he wanted shoes, he would have had them.
If he wanted a roof over his head, he would have one.


which is why I have a 7 series BMW filled with kegs of Great Divide Oak Aged Yeti Imperial Stout. Cuz I want one.
 
2012-12-03 12:17:24 PM  
I read "Boobs" the first time I saw the headline. "Give a man a pair of boots his feet will be warm for a night" is much funnier.
 
2012-12-03 12:17:31 PM  

zabadu: What a lot of you are failing to see is this:

The cop did a wonderful thing.
The fact that it wasn't appreciated by the homeless person is moot.
The cop did a fine thing, regardless of the outcome.

//daughter of cop; i.e.: "Badge Licker".


Yea, that's what I'm taking away from this whole story. Good on that officer for doing what he did
 
2012-12-03 12:18:06 PM  

uberaverage: If he wanted shoes, he would have had them.
If he wanted a roof over his head, he would have one.


He could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And his head he'd be scratchin'
While his thoughts were busy hatchin'
If he only had a brain
 
2012-12-03 12:18:24 PM  

Masta Kronix: So, if cops act like bullies, could it be because they are frequently placed in situation where control, and therefore safety, is dependent on maintaining dominance of the situation (which could be perceived as bullying).

Not saying that all police actions are appropriate, but whenever I hear 'All cops are (racists\thugs\bullies\criminals), I always stop and ask 'why do they act the way they act?'

If a Police Officer acts like a Bully it's because they are not properly trained or mentally fit for the job.

It's really that simple.


That's not what I said. What I said was that if a cop acts in a way that you perceive as being bullying, it is because he is often in situations where actions that you would consider bullying are entirely appropriate and required.

An example that has happened more than once. A cop responds to someone disturbing the peace. The person is of the same demographic as the rest of the neighborhood. When the cop gets there, the person starts resisting, making noise, calling for other people to help him. A crowd forms.

The cop usually does what you would consider bullying or brutality. They put the original instigator down, hard. They leave little doubt to who is in control of the situation. If they did any less, they crowd would possibly be incited to violence, to which the cop would have to respond with escalating force. So, by acting in ways that you would consider 'bullying', they maintain control of the situation and reduce the danger.

Note-I am not issuing a carte blanche for all cops to use any force they want in any situation. I am just acknowledging that there is a difference in the context for most of their behavior than what most of us deal with day in and day out.
 
2012-12-03 12:18:25 PM  

Masta Kronix: snip...


I think we're actually on the same page here. I was just implying that police overlook the simplest things, while you're giving examples of the worst.

Whether or not they or you want to believe it, every interaction a cop has with another person is critical, regardless of the situation. You'd better believe every officer is trained in and spoken to regularly about maintaining a good relationship with the public. The public is their most important resource.
My point was (and we're off track and out of hand) that officers can be disingenuous with something as simple as giving directions - giving the requestor the impression that they are looked at in the same light as the criminals they deal with.

Trying to connect your point - Now take that bad PR, and the situation in New Orleans; watch the police canvas a neighborhood and see how much cooperation they get. Those who are mistreated by an officer have to dig a little bit deeper and contradict their instincts to give an actual effort to help. More likely they say they don't know or don't want to get involved. If they know that officer and his group's reputation for being helpful, they're going to help just as easily as being asked (assuming their lives aren't in danger).

It helps when one nice officer provides a homeless man with shoes - but this can't just happen at Christmas; we're talking a major structural overhaul of the PD's in major cities across the US. The link you provided has examples of a disconnect between the constitution, laws, the mayor, the chief, and the ranks of his staff devolving into a form of treatment that can not be described as law enforcement. I'm talking officers need to uphold the constitution, risk their lives, put in honest effort, and maintain a good relationship with the public, paying attention to the simplest details. That's the vision. I dare you to say THAT to a NYC (or New Orleans) cop.
 
2012-12-03 12:18:42 PM  
You could sling crack for a weekend and make enough to get a greyhound ticket


That is of course if they don't get caught by the police and have the capital to purchase said crack rocks to sell for their own personal benefit rather than "sling" for a drug dealer.

to the middle of the woods in the middle of the country.


That is of course if they even know of any woods in the middle of the country that they would actually like to go to and live in.

Start a nice life that doesn't have anything to dowith gangs or drugs or being a stupid asshole. But they are stupid assholes, so they say "I do what I gotta, to get by" and "YOLO" and nothing changes.


You're expecting a whole lot from an individual who doesn't have the capability to stop being homeless.

It's almost as if you don't get that people are homeless not because their lazy and/or bad people but rather because they lack the ability to become financially and most probably mentally stable on their own.
 
2012-12-03 12:19:44 PM  

machoprogrammer: MycroftHolmes: I know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.

Most cops I have seen are total dickwads. That is why they get up in arms about being video taped on the job, particularly for traffic stops. They are mainly just revenue generators for cities (see: speed traps)

There are certain exceptions, and I know some great cops, but a lot I have met are just bullies with badges.


Most of the cops that I know can be dicks.

Because if you deal with the public, mostly idiots, you end up that way.

Would you really care about sitting down and making a concerted and sympathetic effort to solve a domestic violence situation when you've been to that house five times in the past two months and nothing changes? Woman refuses to get counseling, or press charges, or do whatever and you keep going back.

You can either act all sympathetic and nice and try to help again when you know it's useless or you can just act like a dick and throw everybody in jail because it's really the only damn thing you can do at that point.

Most of the cops who are jaded ass holes probably got that way through experience. If you actually talk to cops you learn they get to deal with parts of society most of us never get to see and it isn't a happy place.
 
2012-12-03 12:22:54 PM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


It is not so much how much we spend bugt how we spend it. In 2012 combined Federal and state spending on means tested welfare exceeds $1 trillion dollars this does not count count non-means tested programs like Social Secuirty , MEDICARE and the VA.) It was about 75% Federal 25% state split.

"According to the Census's American Community Survey, the number of households with incomes below the poverty line in 2011 was 16,807,795," the Senate Budget Committee notes. "If you divide total federal and state spending by the number of households with incomes below the poverty line, the average spending per household in poverty was $61,194 in 2011."

Of the $1 trillion only 30% reached the intended recipients. 70% goes to funding the government bureaucracy that regualtes and adminites the over 80 programs involved.

Seems like the problem is we have too much overhead.
 
2012-12-03 12:24:02 PM  

skullkrusher: Godscrack: New Fark handle: Photo-op-cop

just stop, dude.


Stop? Hop on a mop, pop!

sorry, rhyming engine engaged.
 
2012-12-03 12:24:13 PM  
The whole "cop gives homeless guy boots" story was scripted crap, anyway - a somewhat clever "viral marketing" PR campaign.
 
2012-12-03 12:24:37 PM  

skullkrusher: uberaverage: If he wanted shoes, he would have had them.
If he wanted a roof over his head, he would have one.

which is why I have a 7 series BMW filled with kegs of Great Divide Oak Aged Yeti Imperial Stout. Cuz I want one.


Oh you too :D snap.
 
2012-12-03 12:25:10 PM  
Over Thanksgiving, I stopped in PA to get gas, get the kids a break, etc. Woman came up and asked me for a couple dollars for gas, since she was 'trying to get home'. I was going to help her out, but I evidently asked a dealbreaker question:

"Where's your car?"

Bunch of hemming and hawing, and she moved off in search of better prospects. That being said, if she was at the pump, I would have filled the tank and wished her a happy Thanksgiving. I just don't give money.
 
2012-12-03 12:26:02 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Pie is code language for booze right?


It's the new internet nomenclature...

1. "Kind" = pot
2. "Ski" = cocaine
3. "Pie" = nasty 'wine'
 
2012-12-03 12:27:08 PM  

Spade: If you actually talk to cops you learn they get to deal with parts of society most of us never get to see and it isn't a happy place.


It's a very tough job. That's why they need to do regular psych evaluations on the officers who have more contact with street people, or the public in general. Police have chemical addictions too. But you never hear about them until it's too late, and see it on the 6 o'clock news.
 
2012-12-03 12:28:14 PM  
Because if you deal with the public, mostly idiots, you end up that way.


I deal with idiots every day as well and I've managed not to end up like them.

Would you really care about sitting down and making a concerted and sympathetic effort to solve a domestic violence situation when you've been to that house five times in the past two months and nothing changes? Woman refuses to get counseling, or press charges, or do whatever and you keep going back.


This is where the job of the Police Officer ends and the role of professional help comes into play.

Yes it's difficult to get called back to the same house over and over again when one of the abused couples won't get help but that's something that has to be understood as going to happen and if you can't handle that kind of stress than find another job or institute mental health screenings to ensure Police Officers are coping with their roles properly.

You can either act all sympathetic and nice and try to help again when you know it's useless or you can just act like a dick and throw everybody in jail because it's really the only damn thing you can do at that point.


You don't have to throw everyone in jail you can calm the situation down, offer assistance and if none is accepted than leave and come back if another call is made.

You don't have to make the situation worse or escalated because you're not happy with the outcome of the situation.

Most of the cops who are jaded ass holes probably got that way through experience. If you actually talk to cops you learn they get to deal with parts of society most of us never get to see and it isn't a happy place.


Then quit your job.

There are plenty of abuse counselors and other professional health care employees who see just as worse if not worse situation on a daily basis and they manage to not let it turn them into insufferable assholes.
 
2012-12-03 12:29:30 PM  

Spade:
Most of the cops who are jaded ass holes probably got that way through experience. If you actually talk to cops you learn they get to deal with parts of society most of us never get to see and it isn't a happy place.


Same can be said of teachers, doctors, nurses, soldiers-in-a-war-zone, ........ .
 
2012-12-03 12:30:54 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.

Yep. You're a douche.


Hehhehhehh...puppets.
 
2012-12-03 12:31:26 PM  

ginandbacon: There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


That would be Qatar.

The U.S. ranks 7th.
 
2012-12-03 12:31:56 PM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Now accurate.
 
2012-12-03 12:33:03 PM  

Spade: machoprogrammer: MycroftHolmes: I know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.

Most cops I have seen are total dickwads. That is why they get up in arms about being video taped on the job, particularly for traffic stops. They are mainly just revenue generators for cities (see: speed traps)

There are certain exceptions, and I know some great cops, but a lot I have met are just bullies with badges.

Most of the cops that I know can be dicks.

Because if you deal with the public, mostly idiots, you end up that way.

Would you really care about sitting down and making a concerted and sympathetic effort to solve a domestic violence situation when you've been to that house five times in the past two months and nothing changes? Woman refuses to get counseling, or press charges, or do whatever and you keep going back.

You can either act all sympathetic and nice and try to help again when you know it's useless or you can just act like a dick and throw everybody in jail because it's really the only damn thing you can do at that point.

Most of the cops who are jaded ass holes probably got that way through experience. If you actually talk to cops you learn they get to deal with parts of society most of us never get to see and it isn't a happy place.


I seriously doubt an officer's demeanor is created after the academy. That officer started to become the man or woman he or she is when they were about 5 years old and probably stopped some time when they were 16, with some minor tweaks from there on. I'm not saying seeing a crime scene doesn't change you. But the bulk of who someone becomes is determined long before taking a civil service exam.
 
2012-12-03 12:38:24 PM  

Langdon_777: skullkrusher: uberaverage: If he wanted shoes, he would have had them.
If he wanted a roof over his head, he would have one.

which is why I have a 7 series BMW filled with kegs of Great Divide Oak Aged Yeti Imperial Stout. Cuz I want one.

Oh you too :D snap.


that shiat is delicious
 
2012-12-03 12:41:36 PM  
Bunch of hemming and hawing, and she moved off in search of better prospects. That being said, if she was at the pump, I would have filled the tank and wished her a happy Thanksgiving. I just don't give money..


Good for you!

Let your convictions stop you from helping out another human being!

biatch didn't have a car, she was just trying to scam some money out of you so she could buy a pack of cigs and a 40 oz. so she could go drink herself out of her misery under the bridge where she lives until she passes out.

Hopefully instead now she'll remain completely sober while crying herself to sleep under that bridge.

Good for you!
 
2012-12-03 12:45:09 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.

Yep. You're a douche.


Was gonna say this. Glad someone else beat me to it. Except a douche has a use--clearly this fool does not.
 
2012-12-03 12:50:22 PM  
Was gonna say this. Glad someone else beat me to it. Except a douche has a use--clearly this fool does not.


Yeah because nothing he said about the plight of the homeless in American or the picture he painted of how we treat the homeless in America is true.

The link directly above this link is to an article where two police officer beat the shiat out of a homeless man.

Go educate yourself before you try and label posters a "douche".

And who the fark uses "douche" anymore? Come on get some better material.
 
2012-12-03 12:52:19 PM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


bless your heart. i wish more people had the goodness you do. i hope you win the lottery for a truckload of cash, and i mean that. you're a good person in a world filled with shiatheads.
 
2012-12-03 12:55:28 PM  
Oh, this is a picture of the free "obamaphones" I was talking about. It was pretty strange to see.

images.craigslist.org

/doesnt care
//finds the image amusing
 
2012-12-03 01:00:53 PM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Agreed. Unfortunately, needed help isn't given because society needs villains. Society needs these 'bad' people out in public to show everyone 'See what happens when you don't work hard and pay your taxes?" "This could be you"

Without the poor and the destitute, there would be no rich and powerful.
 
2012-12-03 01:02:12 PM  
I don't blame him for keeping those boots hidden. There are the homeless (like this poor guy) and then there are the bums (the truly scary, dangerous individuals of the stereotypical type) who would shank him in a nanosecond for those boots.

And I can see why he'd be a bit upset about being humiliated like this across the world. It's nice someone cared enough to help him, but the plastering around of this guy in such a pitiful state seems a bit like exploitation. I'd certainly wouldn't want to be the poster hobo for sleazy charity scam adverts.
 
2012-12-03 01:06:03 PM  

Godscrack: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

Agreed. Unfortunately, needed help isn't given because society needs villains. Society needs these 'bad' people out in public to show everyone 'See what happens when you don't work hard and pay your taxes?" "This could be you"

Without the poor and the destitute, there would be no rich and powerful.


Gee, you'd think that living on the farking street would be enough of an incentive without a willful attempt by "society" to create the situation as a inducement to get people to avoid it. You also don't "agree" that the cop's actions were admirable - you've said that this cop was going for a photo op several times now.

Loosen the tinfoil, champ
 
2012-12-03 01:12:05 PM  

skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square


It wasn't necessarily that he should have gone to Walmart specifically; plenty of reasons not to. Not familiar with the area, though it looks like there are quite a few shoe stores there. The Payless is a bit out of sight, but looks like the Foot Locker is close... don't see the Target, but wouldn't be surprised if there is one - there's a lot of unlabeled buildings on the map. Usually even the Sketchers store has something cheaper, though perhaps not for solid boots - the ones here don't have a lot of boots, especially warm, durable ones. The point was more that there were probably cheaper shoes nearby that would have left everyone better off.

I guess it probably wouldn't matter anyways... it seems this guy has been given shoes before this as well. Even if he really wanted shoes though, those were likely to get sold at a large markdown, at best, and hopefully get enough for other shoes and a meal or two.
 
2012-12-03 01:13:58 PM  

ErinPac: skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square

It wasn't necessarily that he should have gone to Walmart specifically; plenty of reasons not to. Not familiar with the area, though it looks like there are quite a few shoe stores there. The Payless is a bit out of sight, but looks like the Foot Locker is close... don't see the Target, but wouldn't be surprised if there is one - there's a lot of unlabeled buildings on the map. Usually even the Sketchers store has something cheaper, though perhaps not for solid boots - the ones here don't have a lot of boots, especially warm, durable ones. The point was more that there were probably cheaper shoes nearby that would have left everyone better off.

I guess it probably wouldn't matter anyways... it seems this guy has been given shoes before this as well. Even if he really wanted shoes though, those were likely to get sold at a large markdown, at best, and hopefully get enough for other shoes and a meal or two.


the Skechers store gave him a 50% discount on them - he only paid $50. I can't imagine him finding a pair of boots for less than that in TS
 
2012-12-03 01:18:10 PM  
Was down in a park looking for homeless encampments Saturday. There was a train bridge to Canada with a Border Patrol vehicle sitting there. I crossed the road and started heading up the train right of way looking for camps there. I stumbled on 2 more Border Patrol vehicles, the other guy's backup. They called the regular cops on me. The regular cop pulled up, I waved and he waved and just drove by.

Not saying all cops are ok, but now that I'm not a criminal, they treat me differently based on non verbal cues. If I do get pulled over, they usually start telling jokes or stories and eventually just leave. it's pretty surreal sometimes. These aren't cops that know me either, it's anywhere I go.

Regarding the boots... 3 of us go downtown once or twice a week to check on the homeless. The idea is to give them enough to have some dignity, but not enough to be comfortable enough not to come indoors. To make friends with them to bring them back into community. We fully expect to be taken advantage of initially. One guy has 5 sleeping bags from various donors. It's really starting to bug one of the girls how much advantage she tries to take of us. We just keep visiting and giving clothes and hygiene items. People donate us stuff. Most of our shoes are crappy or impractical. Bought a guy a Walmart pair of boots last week.

We give stuff but never cash. Crap, I don't have much myself. My other friend has been unemployed for a year. We give rolling papers (so they can bust up the butts they find and not smoke from other people's discards. Sometimes people give us tobacco to pass out. Rarely, I buy a can of beer if a guy is having a really hard time.

Our focus is the un-sheltered folks. The ones who can't or wont come indoors even when the temperature falls below 20 degrees. Some people are very mentally ill and can't stand to be around people or are afraid of what they'll do to others in the shelters. By this time, some have been banned from all the shelters except during the below 20 degree 'code blue'. During the 'code blue' period, 2 shelters bring out cots and let anyone in way over the shelter's capacity.

Some are drinkers or addicts and can't even manage to stay in public housing. A few actually 'like' it out there. In my city, there are enough soup kitchens, that you won't go hungry if you know where to go.

I was surprised how many will sleep without overhead cover.

Your public assistance dollars can't pay for a non-disgusting room or apartment and have much left over to live on. So some people choose to be homeless so they can have enough dollars for other things they need.

My roommate used to be homeless in the country. He'd knock over a tree and dig a pit under it to live in. He'd have to kill his food and struggle to survive. 2 years ago he had such a bad winter in Upstate NY, he pretty much gave up on being homeless.
 
2012-12-03 01:18:19 PM  

TV's Vinnie: It's nice someone cared enough to help him, but the plastering around of this guy in such a pitiful state seems a bit like exploitation.


An honest good deed needs no publicity.

If it's truly from the heart, you do it on the sly.
 
2012-12-03 01:21:32 PM  
you'd think that living on the farking street would be enough of an incentive without a willful attempt by "society" to create the situation as a inducement to get people to avoid it


Why is it do you suppose that we don't have enough welfare programs able to assist the homeless and mentally ill to get off the street?

If we don't, as a society, feel they deserve the treatment they are receiving, then why haven't we done everything in our power to help them out of the situation past the half-hearted and half-ass attempts we've managed up to this point?

Please do tell because you seem to have all the answers but have yet to disclose them to the masses.
 
2012-12-03 01:23:58 PM  

skullkrusher: ErinPac: skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square

It wasn't necessarily that he should have gone to Walmart specifically; plenty of reasons not to. Not familiar with the area, though it looks like there are quite a few shoe stores there. The Payless is a bit out of sight, but looks like the Foot Locker is close... don't see the Target, but wouldn't be surprised if there is one - there's a lot of unlabeled buildings on the map. Usually even the Sketchers store has something cheaper, though perhaps not for solid boots - the ones here don't have a lot of boots, especially warm, durable ones. The point was more that there were probably cheaper shoes nearby that would have left everyone better off.

I guess it probably wouldn't matter anyways... it seems this guy has been given shoes before this as well. Even if he really wanted shoes though, those were likely to get sold at a large markdown, at best, and hopefully get enough for other shoes and a meal or two.

the Skechers store gave him a 50% discount on them - he only paid $50. I can't imagine him finding a pair of boots for less than that in TS


Ah. I did not read that in the articles I saw, but searched after you said this. Can't find an article saying $50... there are a few though saying $75 after a Manager used his employee discount on them, and then a pic of the cop with the receipt. Nice of the manager too. Still didn't make it work out, unfortunately.
 
2012-12-03 01:31:02 PM  
Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

Well, yeah. The first time he goes to sleep in them, they will get stolen right off his feet. If he is lucky, he wont get his head caved in during the ordeal.

Anything of value gets stolen amongst the homeless. A few years back Opie and Anthony would do a Homeless Shopping Spree. Between the show and the fans that came along, each of a dozen bums would get nearly $1,000 to spend in a mall (usually the most upper-class one that they can find). When they would check in with them the next week, many reported that everything they bought was taken.
 
2012-12-03 01:52:10 PM  
This is why homeless people can't have nice things.
 
2012-12-03 02:01:48 PM  

Masta Kronix: you'd think that living on the farking street would be enough of an incentive without a willful attempt by "society" to create the situation as a inducement to get people to avoid it

Why is it do you suppose that we don't have enough welfare programs able to assist the homeless and mentally ill to get off the street?

If we don't, as a society, feel they deserve the treatment they are receiving, then why haven't we done everything in our power to help them out of the situation past the half-hearted and half-ass attempts we've managed up to this point?

Please do tell because you seem to have all the answers but have yet to disclose them to the masses.


In New York state there are enough programs because we get taxed heavily. In my town, there are 100 un-sheltered homeless. In my county, there are about 1500 sheltered and un-sheltered out of about a million people. The un-sheltered are all known by name and their locations and status are tracked by the agencies.. There are a at least a dozen agencies trying to get these folks indoors. That doesn't mean you can convince the people to come indoors. Whether by illness, income setback or choice. Though the power to choose badly isn't much of a power. Sometimes, the choice is the nasty rooming house that DSS was going to put you in. I met several people with housing still living outdoors.

Winter helps, but some just travel south. Some won't come in no matter what. How would you like to be in a shelter with 200 other people who have the same problems that got them living in a shelter? It can be pretty rough. If it ever happens to me, I'm living outdoors.

Also, not all the homeless steal from each other. When they find out that a new person doesn't mean them harm, some of them will show you where to eat and clean up and sleep safely. Once you earn their trust, they may tell you where they are camped. Never give up a homeless person's sleeping location to another homeless person.

I was trying to get a guy services once. "No, it's ok. I'd like to get a job, but the money begging is too good." Most don't beg in my town, They already have food stamps and whatnot.

All anecdotes I know...
 
2012-12-03 02:02:26 PM  

KrispyKritter: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

bless your heart. i wish more people had the goodness you do. i hope you win the lottery for a truckload of cash, and i mean that. you're a good person in a world filled with shiatheads.


Thank you for your kind words. I should really buy a lottery ticket one of these days.
 
2012-12-03 02:11:42 PM  
In New York state there are enough programs because we get taxed heavily.


Then why are there still homeless people in New York?

Listen to what your saying.

There are enough programs and money to take care of all the homeless in New York, yet there are still homeless people in New York. Doesn't make sense.

I was trying to get a guy services once. "No, it's ok. I'd like to get a job, but the money begging is too good."


So it's not that he/she didn't want to work, it's that they would make less money if they started working and stopped begging.

I wouldn't work either if it meant making less money.
 
2012-12-03 02:13:30 PM  
Sometimes, the choice is the nasty rooming house that DSS was going to put you in.


So maybe if they had the choice of staying in a humane and sanitary room they would?

Again, why aren't we instituting programs that fix these problems that keep homeless people from accepting help?
 
2012-12-03 02:29:02 PM  
jshine (2012-12-03 11:27:31 AM): ...but light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Stopped by to check for this; found everything to be in order; moving on...
 
2012-12-03 02:33:04 PM  
article: He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/americas-homeless-want-a-hand-up-no t- a-handout-vs,11545/

/first thing I thought of
 
2012-12-03 02:34:22 PM  
... and I have no idea why the comments engine added spaces to that URL even after I deleted them during comment preview.
 
2012-12-03 02:49:05 PM  

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Thankfully it's not a problem in the wealthiest nation on the planet. But there's also no excuse for it in the United States.
 
2012-12-03 02:53:39 PM  

Tax Boy: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Bullwinkle Reagan is more of a reason than an excuse.
 
2012-12-03 02:57:55 PM  

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


In that scenario it will be survival of the most brutal. Once again those not encumbered with a conscience will claw their way to the top.
 
2012-12-03 02:58:47 PM  
Don't worry Obama will make sure he gets some pie so he can continue to not work for a living without having to pan handle people for money and try to gain more sympathy by appearing shoeless. His statement about wanting a piece of the pie is all the proof you need of his real reasons.
 
2012-12-03 03:21:12 PM  

Brainsick: skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square

One thing I've never understood: the 'I'm stuck' mentality. this one usually applies to inner-city 'bangers and the like. You could sling crack for a weekend and make enough to get a greyhound ticket to the middle of the woods in the middle of the country. Start a nice life that doesn't have anything to dowith gangs or drugs or being a stupid asshole. But they are stupid assholes, so they say "I do what I gotta, to get by" and "YOLO" and nothing changes.


/sorry, I had a point when that started


What would you say in the job interviews when they notice you are 46 years old but have no employment history and no references?
 
2012-12-03 03:26:15 PM  

Godscrack: chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,

Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.


A lot of men on the street because they cannot afford their support payments either
 
2012-12-03 03:45:18 PM  

Masta Kronix: Sometimes, the choice is the nasty rooming house that DSS was going to put you in.

So maybe if they had the choice of staying in a humane and sanitary room they would?

Again, why aren't we instituting programs that fix these problems that keep homeless people from accepting help?


Some of them would stay. Some wouldn't accept your benevolence. Tried to feed some Russian ladies once. They refused out of pride, but would root around in the dumpsters later.

Some would move into your clean housing and make it unlivable in short order. The behavior of some, while not illegal or of illness, would drive out others. You also can't force someone sober and I know about loving the mentally ill. We're afraid today (and I'm unwilling) to force anyone into institutions or even warehouse them in their own minds with drugs that make them just compliant. I know a guy living in a collapsed building among garbage with a dead skunk (he was trying to make a fur coat). The homeless/mental illness agency can't help him, because he doesn't want any help. He's not violent, just often unpleasant. He likes how he's living. I make friends with these guys to lighten their load, not to instill my desires on them. If he decides to come indoors or get help, I'll do what I can.

Maybe you should call a social worker at a shelter and ask them. I'm not a professional, I may mislead you. If you're in Western NY, contact the WNY Homeless Alliance or the WNY Coalition for the Homeless. You can attend their monthly meetings.

If you're going to go the political route and advocate for the homeless, my hat is off to you. I recommend you volunteer for about a year first so you know the homeless personally and have a handle on the issues.

Complaining about others' efforts or lack of will just isn't my thing. I prefer to try and do what I can personally. If anyone wants to help or go political, very well. Politics can be useful. I'm just not about forcing people to support my causes. I'll work with anyone working toward similar goals.

Cheers
 
2012-12-03 03:57:35 PM  

Felix_T_Cat: How would you like to be in a shelter with 200 other people who have the same problems that got them living in a shelter? It can be pretty rough. If it ever happens to me, I'm living outdoors.


This is the most telling post I've read on homelessness. I know you're just one person, but ...
 
2012-12-03 04:31:54 PM  
Darn cop screwed up his begging ploy. This guy makes $800 per day because he doesn't wear shoes in winter. That's buy lots of recreational chemicals.
 
2012-12-03 04:37:36 PM  
Give a man a pair of boobs, and he'll never leave the house.
 
2012-12-03 05:15:48 PM  

gregscott: Darn cop screwed up his begging ploy. This guy makes $800 per day because he doesn't wear shoes in winter. That's buy lots of recreational chemicals.


Does it? sounds like you know from personal experience.
 
2012-12-03 05:45:55 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Felix_T_Cat: How would you like to be in a shelter with 200 other people who have the same problems that got them living in a shelter? It can be pretty rough. If it ever happens to me, I'm living outdoors.

This is the most telling post I've read on homelessness. I know you're just one person, but ...


Eh, probably just my social phobia. My roommate and a half dozen friends lived in a shelter for over a year. But I would be merely the 101st guy in the county on the un-sheltered tracking list. My friend Dave prefers to get arrested for a month or 2 every February.

At St Luke's in Buffalo, you can live there forever. The City Mission has had guys live there for over 4 years.

I do have a couple success stories in the last few weeks though:

A real nice guy went indoors after living since 2002 under a bridge. "When it floods, I can almost read by the reflected light." He now has housing and a case manager. He just needs daily medical care.

Another guy finally reconciled with his family and went home to his kids after a few years.

Another guy went home to his mom after 4 months.

A girl reconciled with her mom, went home and is going back to school.

None of these people wanted to go indoors when we met them. We just took care of them & befriended them without judging for anything. They started trusting us & divulging their hurts. They saw how we care for them and they started to change. We talk with them for hours sometimes. We just had to give them stuff to break the initial ice.

We're not special... anyone can do this. Toilet paper, a PB&J, a bottle of water, deodorant, toothpaste, etc... will cost you about $5. Just say "Hey, we're giving out stuff, would you like some." or "Hey, we're looking for people living outdoors, have you seen any?" "Wait, that's me." Don't go alone. Once they know you, certain groups will start to protect you and watch over you. It's pretty safe, but don't stick around with someone who's high. Just make an excuse and walk away. Don't give or show money. We work alongside social work agencies and travel together checking on people. If they need services, we call the social workers. If they need clothing or toiletries or blankets, the social workers call us.
 
2012-12-03 06:50:50 PM  
I bought a nice pair of shoes at Wal Mart last week for $13.96.

There is a woman in my home town who has stayed drunk for 25 years by sitting on the side of the road with her hair all messed up and a mournful look on her face. People feel sorry for her and give her money. I gave her a hairbrush once.

She threw it away.

My guess is, the guy's boots were cutting into his income, people felt sorry for him with bare feet. So he leaves the boots in his car, along with his ipod and his smartphone, that way they keep paying.
 
2012-12-03 06:57:22 PM  

olddinosaur: I gave her a hairbrush once.

She threw it away.


Maybe she didn't want your head lice.
 
2012-12-03 06:57:28 PM  
Why are TFers such dongs these days? Seems like all of the cool ones have left and went elsewhere. Oh well. New day. New Ignore.
 
2012-12-03 07:00:33 PM  

kimmygibblershomework: Why are TFers such dongs these days?


Don't be so hard on yourself. Everyone is welcome here.
 
2012-12-03 07:05:37 PM  
Other day at the coffee shop a homeless guy in a wheelchair rolled up to my table and asked me for a glucose meter to test his blood sugar.

I told him I didn't have one.

Then I looked down next to his leg, in his blanket he had a 40 Oz. bottle of Steel Reserve he was hiding.

Diabetic? I don't think so.
 
2012-12-03 07:23:25 PM  

olddinosaur: Then I looked down next to his leg, in his blanket he had a 40 Oz. bottle of Steel Reserve he was hiding.

Diabetic? I don't think so.


Between his legs? That wasn't a bottle. I think he wanted to test your blood sugar.
 
2012-12-03 07:44:50 PM  
So he sold them for dope... Never saw that coming.
 
2012-12-03 08:36:03 PM  
Sad for several reasons. Maybe the biggest being he thinks someone is making a bunch of money off that picture. People just don't know how the world works.
 
2012-12-04 12:36:30 AM  

kg2095: Brainsick: skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square

One thing I've never understood: the 'I'm stuck' mentality. this one usually applies to inner-city 'bangers and the like. You could sling crack for a weekend and make enough to get a greyhound ticket to the middle of the woods in the middle of the country. Start a nice life that doesn't have anything to do with gangs or drugs or being a stupid asshole. But they are stupid assholes, so they say "I do what I gotta, to get by" and "YOLO" and nothing changes.


/sorry, I had a point when that started

What would you say in the job interviews when they notice you are 46 years old but have no employment history and no references?


OK, I think I was too subtle here, the WalMarts in NYC comment put my brain on a tangent not directly related to being homeless. I was thinking more of the inner-city locals who may someday be homeless crack addicts because they're 'stuck' in a cycle of poverty, drugs and violence. I know from experience that the further you get from a large city, the fewer homeless you see. Because rural communities have support networks and day-labor as part of their society. I'm not saying it's easy, just that it's not financially or logistically difficult to move out of 'the hood'. Homelessness is a whole other problem. Sorry for the threadsh*t.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:14 PM  
Article today says the homeless guy isn't homeless and lives in government-provided VA housing.
 
2012-12-04 08:10:42 PM  

browser_snake: Article today says the homeless guy isn't homeless and lives in government-provided VA housing.


Ya gotta link?
 
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