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2012-12-03 12:31:26 PM

ginandbacon: There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


That would be Qatar.

The U.S. ranks 7th.
 
2012-12-03 12:31:56 PM

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Now accurate.
 
2012-12-03 12:33:03 PM

Spade: machoprogrammer: MycroftHolmes: I know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.

Most cops I have seen are total dickwads. That is why they get up in arms about being video taped on the job, particularly for traffic stops. They are mainly just revenue generators for cities (see: speed traps)

There are certain exceptions, and I know some great cops, but a lot I have met are just bullies with badges.

Most of the cops that I know can be dicks.

Because if you deal with the public, mostly idiots, you end up that way.

Would you really care about sitting down and making a concerted and sympathetic effort to solve a domestic violence situation when you've been to that house five times in the past two months and nothing changes? Woman refuses to get counseling, or press charges, or do whatever and you keep going back.

You can either act all sympathetic and nice and try to help again when you know it's useless or you can just act like a dick and throw everybody in jail because it's really the only damn thing you can do at that point.

Most of the cops who are jaded ass holes probably got that way through experience. If you actually talk to cops you learn they get to deal with parts of society most of us never get to see and it isn't a happy place.


I seriously doubt an officer's demeanor is created after the academy. That officer started to become the man or woman he or she is when they were about 5 years old and probably stopped some time when they were 16, with some minor tweaks from there on. I'm not saying seeing a crime scene doesn't change you. But the bulk of who someone becomes is determined long before taking a civil service exam.
 
2012-12-03 12:38:24 PM

Langdon_777: skullkrusher: uberaverage: If he wanted shoes, he would have had them.
If he wanted a roof over his head, he would have one.

which is why I have a 7 series BMW filled with kegs of Great Divide Oak Aged Yeti Imperial Stout. Cuz I want one.

Oh you too :D snap.


that shiat is delicious
 
2012-12-03 12:41:36 PM
Bunch of hemming and hawing, and she moved off in search of better prospects. That being said, if she was at the pump, I would have filled the tank and wished her a happy Thanksgiving. I just don't give money..


Good for you!

Let your convictions stop you from helping out another human being!

biatch didn't have a car, she was just trying to scam some money out of you so she could buy a pack of cigs and a 40 oz. so she could go drink herself out of her misery under the bridge where she lives until she passes out.

Hopefully instead now she'll remain completely sober while crying herself to sleep under that bridge.

Good for you!
 
2012-12-03 12:45:09 PM

indarwinsshadow: Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.

Yep. You're a douche.


Was gonna say this. Glad someone else beat me to it. Except a douche has a use--clearly this fool does not.
 
2012-12-03 12:50:22 PM
Was gonna say this. Glad someone else beat me to it. Except a douche has a use--clearly this fool does not.


Yeah because nothing he said about the plight of the homeless in American or the picture he painted of how we treat the homeless in America is true.

The link directly above this link is to an article where two police officer beat the shiat out of a homeless man.

Go educate yourself before you try and label posters a "douche".

And who the fark uses "douche" anymore? Come on get some better material.
 
2012-12-03 12:52:19 PM

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


bless your heart. i wish more people had the goodness you do. i hope you win the lottery for a truckload of cash, and i mean that. you're a good person in a world filled with shiatheads.
 
2012-12-03 12:55:28 PM
Oh, this is a picture of the free "obamaphones" I was talking about. It was pretty strange to see.

images.craigslist.org

/doesnt care
//finds the image amusing
 
2012-12-03 01:00:53 PM

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Agreed. Unfortunately, needed help isn't given because society needs villains. Society needs these 'bad' people out in public to show everyone 'See what happens when you don't work hard and pay your taxes?" "This could be you"

Without the poor and the destitute, there would be no rich and powerful.
 
2012-12-03 01:02:12 PM
I don't blame him for keeping those boots hidden. There are the homeless (like this poor guy) and then there are the bums (the truly scary, dangerous individuals of the stereotypical type) who would shank him in a nanosecond for those boots.

And I can see why he'd be a bit upset about being humiliated like this across the world. It's nice someone cared enough to help him, but the plastering around of this guy in such a pitiful state seems a bit like exploitation. I'd certainly wouldn't want to be the poster hobo for sleazy charity scam adverts.
 
2012-12-03 01:06:03 PM

Godscrack: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

Agreed. Unfortunately, needed help isn't given because society needs villains. Society needs these 'bad' people out in public to show everyone 'See what happens when you don't work hard and pay your taxes?" "This could be you"

Without the poor and the destitute, there would be no rich and powerful.


Gee, you'd think that living on the farking street would be enough of an incentive without a willful attempt by "society" to create the situation as a inducement to get people to avoid it. You also don't "agree" that the cop's actions were admirable - you've said that this cop was going for a photo op several times now.

Loosen the tinfoil, champ
 
2012-12-03 01:12:05 PM

skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square


It wasn't necessarily that he should have gone to Walmart specifically; plenty of reasons not to. Not familiar with the area, though it looks like there are quite a few shoe stores there. The Payless is a bit out of sight, but looks like the Foot Locker is close... don't see the Target, but wouldn't be surprised if there is one - there's a lot of unlabeled buildings on the map. Usually even the Sketchers store has something cheaper, though perhaps not for solid boots - the ones here don't have a lot of boots, especially warm, durable ones. The point was more that there were probably cheaper shoes nearby that would have left everyone better off.

I guess it probably wouldn't matter anyways... it seems this guy has been given shoes before this as well. Even if he really wanted shoes though, those were likely to get sold at a large markdown, at best, and hopefully get enough for other shoes and a meal or two.
 
2012-12-03 01:13:58 PM

ErinPac: skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square

It wasn't necessarily that he should have gone to Walmart specifically; plenty of reasons not to. Not familiar with the area, though it looks like there are quite a few shoe stores there. The Payless is a bit out of sight, but looks like the Foot Locker is close... don't see the Target, but wouldn't be surprised if there is one - there's a lot of unlabeled buildings on the map. Usually even the Sketchers store has something cheaper, though perhaps not for solid boots - the ones here don't have a lot of boots, especially warm, durable ones. The point was more that there were probably cheaper shoes nearby that would have left everyone better off.

I guess it probably wouldn't matter anyways... it seems this guy has been given shoes before this as well. Even if he really wanted shoes though, those were likely to get sold at a large markdown, at best, and hopefully get enough for other shoes and a meal or two.


the Skechers store gave him a 50% discount on them - he only paid $50. I can't imagine him finding a pair of boots for less than that in TS
 
2012-12-03 01:18:10 PM
Was down in a park looking for homeless encampments Saturday. There was a train bridge to Canada with a Border Patrol vehicle sitting there. I crossed the road and started heading up the train right of way looking for camps there. I stumbled on 2 more Border Patrol vehicles, the other guy's backup. They called the regular cops on me. The regular cop pulled up, I waved and he waved and just drove by.

Not saying all cops are ok, but now that I'm not a criminal, they treat me differently based on non verbal cues. If I do get pulled over, they usually start telling jokes or stories and eventually just leave. it's pretty surreal sometimes. These aren't cops that know me either, it's anywhere I go.

Regarding the boots... 3 of us go downtown once or twice a week to check on the homeless. The idea is to give them enough to have some dignity, but not enough to be comfortable enough not to come indoors. To make friends with them to bring them back into community. We fully expect to be taken advantage of initially. One guy has 5 sleeping bags from various donors. It's really starting to bug one of the girls how much advantage she tries to take of us. We just keep visiting and giving clothes and hygiene items. People donate us stuff. Most of our shoes are crappy or impractical. Bought a guy a Walmart pair of boots last week.

We give stuff but never cash. Crap, I don't have much myself. My other friend has been unemployed for a year. We give rolling papers (so they can bust up the butts they find and not smoke from other people's discards. Sometimes people give us tobacco to pass out. Rarely, I buy a can of beer if a guy is having a really hard time.

Our focus is the un-sheltered folks. The ones who can't or wont come indoors even when the temperature falls below 20 degrees. Some people are very mentally ill and can't stand to be around people or are afraid of what they'll do to others in the shelters. By this time, some have been banned from all the shelters except during the below 20 degree 'code blue'. During the 'code blue' period, 2 shelters bring out cots and let anyone in way over the shelter's capacity.

Some are drinkers or addicts and can't even manage to stay in public housing. A few actually 'like' it out there. In my city, there are enough soup kitchens, that you won't go hungry if you know where to go.

I was surprised how many will sleep without overhead cover.

Your public assistance dollars can't pay for a non-disgusting room or apartment and have much left over to live on. So some people choose to be homeless so they can have enough dollars for other things they need.

My roommate used to be homeless in the country. He'd knock over a tree and dig a pit under it to live in. He'd have to kill his food and struggle to survive. 2 years ago he had such a bad winter in Upstate NY, he pretty much gave up on being homeless.
 
2012-12-03 01:18:19 PM

TV's Vinnie: It's nice someone cared enough to help him, but the plastering around of this guy in such a pitiful state seems a bit like exploitation.


An honest good deed needs no publicity.

If it's truly from the heart, you do it on the sly.
 
2012-12-03 01:21:32 PM
you'd think that living on the farking street would be enough of an incentive without a willful attempt by "society" to create the situation as a inducement to get people to avoid it


Why is it do you suppose that we don't have enough welfare programs able to assist the homeless and mentally ill to get off the street?

If we don't, as a society, feel they deserve the treatment they are receiving, then why haven't we done everything in our power to help them out of the situation past the half-hearted and half-ass attempts we've managed up to this point?

Please do tell because you seem to have all the answers but have yet to disclose them to the masses.
 
2012-12-03 01:23:58 PM

skullkrusher: ErinPac: skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square

It wasn't necessarily that he should have gone to Walmart specifically; plenty of reasons not to. Not familiar with the area, though it looks like there are quite a few shoe stores there. The Payless is a bit out of sight, but looks like the Foot Locker is close... don't see the Target, but wouldn't be surprised if there is one - there's a lot of unlabeled buildings on the map. Usually even the Sketchers store has something cheaper, though perhaps not for solid boots - the ones here don't have a lot of boots, especially warm, durable ones. The point was more that there were probably cheaper shoes nearby that would have left everyone better off.

I guess it probably wouldn't matter anyways... it seems this guy has been given shoes before this as well. Even if he really wanted shoes though, those were likely to get sold at a large markdown, at best, and hopefully get enough for other shoes and a meal or two.

the Skechers store gave him a 50% discount on them - he only paid $50. I can't imagine him finding a pair of boots for less than that in TS


Ah. I did not read that in the articles I saw, but searched after you said this. Can't find an article saying $50... there are a few though saying $75 after a Manager used his employee discount on them, and then a pic of the cop with the receipt. Nice of the manager too. Still didn't make it work out, unfortunately.
 
2012-12-03 01:31:02 PM
Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

Well, yeah. The first time he goes to sleep in them, they will get stolen right off his feet. If he is lucky, he wont get his head caved in during the ordeal.

Anything of value gets stolen amongst the homeless. A few years back Opie and Anthony would do a Homeless Shopping Spree. Between the show and the fans that came along, each of a dozen bums would get nearly $1,000 to spend in a mall (usually the most upper-class one that they can find). When they would check in with them the next week, many reported that everything they bought was taken.
 
2012-12-03 01:52:10 PM
This is why homeless people can't have nice things.
 
2012-12-03 02:01:48 PM

Masta Kronix: you'd think that living on the farking street would be enough of an incentive without a willful attempt by "society" to create the situation as a inducement to get people to avoid it

Why is it do you suppose that we don't have enough welfare programs able to assist the homeless and mentally ill to get off the street?

If we don't, as a society, feel they deserve the treatment they are receiving, then why haven't we done everything in our power to help them out of the situation past the half-hearted and half-ass attempts we've managed up to this point?

Please do tell because you seem to have all the answers but have yet to disclose them to the masses.


In New York state there are enough programs because we get taxed heavily. In my town, there are 100 un-sheltered homeless. In my county, there are about 1500 sheltered and un-sheltered out of about a million people. The un-sheltered are all known by name and their locations and status are tracked by the agencies.. There are a at least a dozen agencies trying to get these folks indoors. That doesn't mean you can convince the people to come indoors. Whether by illness, income setback or choice. Though the power to choose badly isn't much of a power. Sometimes, the choice is the nasty rooming house that DSS was going to put you in. I met several people with housing still living outdoors.

Winter helps, but some just travel south. Some won't come in no matter what. How would you like to be in a shelter with 200 other people who have the same problems that got them living in a shelter? It can be pretty rough. If it ever happens to me, I'm living outdoors.

Also, not all the homeless steal from each other. When they find out that a new person doesn't mean them harm, some of them will show you where to eat and clean up and sleep safely. Once you earn their trust, they may tell you where they are camped. Never give up a homeless person's sleeping location to another homeless person.

I was trying to get a guy services once. "No, it's ok. I'd like to get a job, but the money begging is too good." Most don't beg in my town, They already have food stamps and whatnot.

All anecdotes I know...
 
2012-12-03 02:02:26 PM

KrispyKritter: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

bless your heart. i wish more people had the goodness you do. i hope you win the lottery for a truckload of cash, and i mean that. you're a good person in a world filled with shiatheads.


Thank you for your kind words. I should really buy a lottery ticket one of these days.
 
2012-12-03 02:11:42 PM
In New York state there are enough programs because we get taxed heavily.


Then why are there still homeless people in New York?

Listen to what your saying.

There are enough programs and money to take care of all the homeless in New York, yet there are still homeless people in New York. Doesn't make sense.

I was trying to get a guy services once. "No, it's ok. I'd like to get a job, but the money begging is too good."


So it's not that he/she didn't want to work, it's that they would make less money if they started working and stopped begging.

I wouldn't work either if it meant making less money.
 
2012-12-03 02:13:30 PM
Sometimes, the choice is the nasty rooming house that DSS was going to put you in.


So maybe if they had the choice of staying in a humane and sanitary room they would?

Again, why aren't we instituting programs that fix these problems that keep homeless people from accepting help?
 
2012-12-03 02:29:02 PM
jshine (2012-12-03 11:27:31 AM): ...but light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Stopped by to check for this; found everything to be in order; moving on...
 
2012-12-03 02:33:04 PM
article: He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/americas-homeless-want-a-hand-up-no t- a-handout-vs,11545/

/first thing I thought of
 
2012-12-03 02:34:22 PM
... and I have no idea why the comments engine added spaces to that URL even after I deleted them during comment preview.
 
2012-12-03 02:49:05 PM

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Thankfully it's not a problem in the wealthiest nation on the planet. But there's also no excuse for it in the United States.
 
2012-12-03 02:53:39 PM

Tax Boy: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Bullwinkle Reagan is more of a reason than an excuse.
 
2012-12-03 02:57:55 PM

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


In that scenario it will be survival of the most brutal. Once again those not encumbered with a conscience will claw their way to the top.
 
2012-12-03 02:58:47 PM
Don't worry Obama will make sure he gets some pie so he can continue to not work for a living without having to pan handle people for money and try to gain more sympathy by appearing shoeless. His statement about wanting a piece of the pie is all the proof you need of his real reasons.
 
2012-12-03 03:21:12 PM

Brainsick: skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square

One thing I've never understood: the 'I'm stuck' mentality. this one usually applies to inner-city 'bangers and the like. You could sling crack for a weekend and make enough to get a greyhound ticket to the middle of the woods in the middle of the country. Start a nice life that doesn't have anything to dowith gangs or drugs or being a stupid asshole. But they are stupid assholes, so they say "I do what I gotta, to get by" and "YOLO" and nothing changes.


/sorry, I had a point when that started


What would you say in the job interviews when they notice you are 46 years old but have no employment history and no references?
 
2012-12-03 03:26:15 PM

Godscrack: chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,

Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.


A lot of men on the street because they cannot afford their support payments either
 
2012-12-03 03:45:18 PM

Masta Kronix: Sometimes, the choice is the nasty rooming house that DSS was going to put you in.

So maybe if they had the choice of staying in a humane and sanitary room they would?

Again, why aren't we instituting programs that fix these problems that keep homeless people from accepting help?


Some of them would stay. Some wouldn't accept your benevolence. Tried to feed some Russian ladies once. They refused out of pride, but would root around in the dumpsters later.

Some would move into your clean housing and make it unlivable in short order. The behavior of some, while not illegal or of illness, would drive out others. You also can't force someone sober and I know about loving the mentally ill. We're afraid today (and I'm unwilling) to force anyone into institutions or even warehouse them in their own minds with drugs that make them just compliant. I know a guy living in a collapsed building among garbage with a dead skunk (he was trying to make a fur coat). The homeless/mental illness agency can't help him, because he doesn't want any help. He's not violent, just often unpleasant. He likes how he's living. I make friends with these guys to lighten their load, not to instill my desires on them. If he decides to come indoors or get help, I'll do what I can.

Maybe you should call a social worker at a shelter and ask them. I'm not a professional, I may mislead you. If you're in Western NY, contact the WNY Homeless Alliance or the WNY Coalition for the Homeless. You can attend their monthly meetings.

If you're going to go the political route and advocate for the homeless, my hat is off to you. I recommend you volunteer for about a year first so you know the homeless personally and have a handle on the issues.

Complaining about others' efforts or lack of will just isn't my thing. I prefer to try and do what I can personally. If anyone wants to help or go political, very well. Politics can be useful. I'm just not about forcing people to support my causes. I'll work with anyone working toward similar goals.

Cheers
 
2012-12-03 03:57:35 PM

Felix_T_Cat: How would you like to be in a shelter with 200 other people who have the same problems that got them living in a shelter? It can be pretty rough. If it ever happens to me, I'm living outdoors.


This is the most telling post I've read on homelessness. I know you're just one person, but ...
 
2012-12-03 04:31:54 PM
Darn cop screwed up his begging ploy. This guy makes $800 per day because he doesn't wear shoes in winter. That's buy lots of recreational chemicals.
 
2012-12-03 04:37:36 PM
Give a man a pair of boobs, and he'll never leave the house.
 
2012-12-03 05:15:48 PM

gregscott: Darn cop screwed up his begging ploy. This guy makes $800 per day because he doesn't wear shoes in winter. That's buy lots of recreational chemicals.


Does it? sounds like you know from personal experience.
 
2012-12-03 05:45:55 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Felix_T_Cat: How would you like to be in a shelter with 200 other people who have the same problems that got them living in a shelter? It can be pretty rough. If it ever happens to me, I'm living outdoors.

This is the most telling post I've read on homelessness. I know you're just one person, but ...


Eh, probably just my social phobia. My roommate and a half dozen friends lived in a shelter for over a year. But I would be merely the 101st guy in the county on the un-sheltered tracking list. My friend Dave prefers to get arrested for a month or 2 every February.

At St Luke's in Buffalo, you can live there forever. The City Mission has had guys live there for over 4 years.

I do have a couple success stories in the last few weeks though:

A real nice guy went indoors after living since 2002 under a bridge. "When it floods, I can almost read by the reflected light." He now has housing and a case manager. He just needs daily medical care.

Another guy finally reconciled with his family and went home to his kids after a few years.

Another guy went home to his mom after 4 months.

A girl reconciled with her mom, went home and is going back to school.

None of these people wanted to go indoors when we met them. We just took care of them & befriended them without judging for anything. They started trusting us & divulging their hurts. They saw how we care for them and they started to change. We talk with them for hours sometimes. We just had to give them stuff to break the initial ice.

We're not special... anyone can do this. Toilet paper, a PB&J, a bottle of water, deodorant, toothpaste, etc... will cost you about $5. Just say "Hey, we're giving out stuff, would you like some." or "Hey, we're looking for people living outdoors, have you seen any?" "Wait, that's me." Don't go alone. Once they know you, certain groups will start to protect you and watch over you. It's pretty safe, but don't stick around with someone who's high. Just make an excuse and walk away. Don't give or show money. We work alongside social work agencies and travel together checking on people. If they need services, we call the social workers. If they need clothing or toiletries or blankets, the social workers call us.
 
2012-12-03 06:50:50 PM
I bought a nice pair of shoes at Wal Mart last week for $13.96.

There is a woman in my home town who has stayed drunk for 25 years by sitting on the side of the road with her hair all messed up and a mournful look on her face. People feel sorry for her and give her money. I gave her a hairbrush once.

She threw it away.

My guess is, the guy's boots were cutting into his income, people felt sorry for him with bare feet. So he leaves the boots in his car, along with his ipod and his smartphone, that way they keep paying.
 
2012-12-03 06:57:22 PM

olddinosaur: I gave her a hairbrush once.

She threw it away.


Maybe she didn't want your head lice.
 
2012-12-03 06:57:28 PM
Why are TFers such dongs these days? Seems like all of the cool ones have left and went elsewhere. Oh well. New day. New Ignore.
 
2012-12-03 07:00:33 PM

kimmygibblershomework: Why are TFers such dongs these days?


Don't be so hard on yourself. Everyone is welcome here.
 
2012-12-03 07:05:37 PM
Other day at the coffee shop a homeless guy in a wheelchair rolled up to my table and asked me for a glucose meter to test his blood sugar.

I told him I didn't have one.

Then I looked down next to his leg, in his blanket he had a 40 Oz. bottle of Steel Reserve he was hiding.

Diabetic? I don't think so.
 
2012-12-03 07:23:25 PM

olddinosaur: Then I looked down next to his leg, in his blanket he had a 40 Oz. bottle of Steel Reserve he was hiding.

Diabetic? I don't think so.


Between his legs? That wasn't a bottle. I think he wanted to test your blood sugar.
 
2012-12-03 07:44:50 PM
So he sold them for dope... Never saw that coming.
 
2012-12-03 08:36:03 PM
Sad for several reasons. Maybe the biggest being he thinks someone is making a bunch of money off that picture. People just don't know how the world works.
 
2012-12-04 12:36:30 AM

kg2095: Brainsick: skullkrusher: ErinPac: I don't see why anyone would buy $100 shoes for this anyways. It doesn't seem like the guy asked for them, and there are always decently sturdy boots at Walmart or similar places for about $20. It just isn't likely to help him anymore, makes him less likely to keep them, and wastes money that could have been socks or food or whatever.

There are no Walmarts in NYC. There are similar stores like Target but nowhere near Times Square

One thing I've never understood: the 'I'm stuck' mentality. this one usually applies to inner-city 'bangers and the like. You could sling crack for a weekend and make enough to get a greyhound ticket to the middle of the woods in the middle of the country. Start a nice life that doesn't have anything to do with gangs or drugs or being a stupid asshole. But they are stupid assholes, so they say "I do what I gotta, to get by" and "YOLO" and nothing changes.


/sorry, I had a point when that started

What would you say in the job interviews when they notice you are 46 years old but have no employment history and no references?


OK, I think I was too subtle here, the WalMarts in NYC comment put my brain on a tangent not directly related to being homeless. I was thinking more of the inner-city locals who may someday be homeless crack addicts because they're 'stuck' in a cycle of poverty, drugs and violence. I know from experience that the further you get from a large city, the fewer homeless you see. Because rural communities have support networks and day-labor as part of their society. I'm not saying it's easy, just that it's not financially or logistically difficult to move out of 'the hood'. Homelessness is a whole other problem. Sorry for the threadsh*t.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:14 PM
Article today says the homeless guy isn't homeless and lives in government-provided VA housing.
 
2012-12-04 08:10:42 PM

browser_snake: Article today says the homeless guy isn't homeless and lives in government-provided VA housing.


Ya gotta link?
 
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