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2012-12-03 10:59:08 AM

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Never survived a true disaster.eh?
 
2012-12-03 10:59:17 AM

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


but but but but SOCIALISM!
 
2012-12-03 10:59:45 AM
Cop was supposed to smack the bum in the ankles with his billy club once the transient put his boots on.
He wouldn't be able to pull them off after they are nice and swollen.
 
2012-12-03 11:00:16 AM

occamswrist: Shouldn't the woman who took the picture be arrested for photographing the cops?


Of course not. It's a publicity stunt to make cops look good.
 
2012-12-03 11:00:29 AM

TheHighlandHowler: Bare feet=more donations


Damn, I thought I was a cynic, but you people put me to shame.

Is it really that far fetched to believe that someone at the rock-bottom of society (or under it) would murder or assault you for your very nice boots? It's much more understandable (if not actually any better) than stealing a nice car or iPad. There's no reason to be certain it's a cynical ploy.

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Yeesh, or to assume that it's NYPD propaganda. I don't blame them for using it as such, but implying that it's staged is beyond the pale. Of course, the depth of your rant probably means I'm just feeding a troll, but damn, man, if I'm not...
 
2012-12-03 11:00:39 AM

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Your cynic is showing. In theory, someone becomes a police officer to help their community. As often as we see them corrupt the job into something else, there's still an element there. Don't get me wrong, I always feel a stab of fear when I see a cop, whether I'm doing something illegal or not. And I hate to tell you, but if the day comes (disaster, etc) the strongest, meanest bastards with the most food, guns, and manpower are going to be running things, at least for awhile.(See: Chivalric History) "True Character" is a nice notion though. In plan to be there if I can: EMT trained, hobby blacksmith, not a bad shot and I can distill medical-grade alcohol. I'm also something of a storyteller and have read hundreds of books, fiction and non.

/Yes, I'm caught up on the Walking Dead comics
 
2012-12-03 11:01:01 AM

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


And if they're smart, everyone will stay far away from you.
 
2012-12-03 11:01:05 AM

BarkingUnicorn: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

He hid the boots because he knew he'd be mugged for them. I don't see any mental illness in that.


Exactly.
 
2012-12-03 11:01:16 AM

snocone: Never survived a true disaster.eh?


Yes. Have.you?
 
2012-12-03 11:02:03 AM

indarwinsshadow: Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.

Yep. You're a douche.


That was how I read it too.
 
2012-12-03 11:04:13 AM

Tax Boy: ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

[www.boingboing.net image 368x340]


And there you are.
 
2012-12-03 11:04:17 AM
There was another story floating around about this guy (the bootless/shoeless one) and his brother was quoted as saying something to the effect of "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting, and eventually people get tired of putting up with their shiat....
 
2012-12-03 11:04:32 AM

Brainsick: And I hate to tell you, but if the day comes (disaster, etc) the strongest, meanest bastards with the most food, guns, and manpower are going to be running things, at least for awhile.


We can all dream, or have a plan!
 
2012-12-03 11:05:06 AM

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic


It's possible he's a cyborg and thus invulnerable to temperature extremes or even registering hot or cold as we understand it.
 
2012-12-03 11:06:42 AM

chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,


Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.
 
2012-12-03 11:06:50 AM
Was the underlying issue that he wasn't on fire?
 
2012-12-03 11:09:26 AM

Godscrack: chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,

Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.


They pretty much are.

Why else would you be on the streets?
 
2012-12-03 11:10:12 AM

Snarfangel: mr_a: It is very important to boldly treat the underlining issues where no issues have been treated before! 

--Shoe Trek


Al Bundy?
 
2012-12-03 11:10:48 AM
Give a man a pair of boots his feet will be warm for a night. Don't teach a man to stay warm...and warm yourself. He's a grown man. And putting on shoes is not not hard.
 
2012-12-03 11:11:13 AM

Godscrack: chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,

Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.


yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of homeless people are perfectly well-adjusted and happy....
 
2012-12-03 11:12:20 AM

Godscrack: chevydeuce: "I love my brother and we have an open door policy for him if/when he wants to come home, but he has chosen his life on the street"...dealing with psychos is exhausting,

Because everyone on the street is on drugs, alcoholic, psychotic, lawbreakers ect.



Wait, what are the other reasons for being homeless on the street? I can't recall them.
 
2012-12-03 11:12:24 AM

Godscrack: Fake photo-op by the cop. And right before Christmas.

Badge-lickers are creaming their pants because one cop bought a homeless man shoes. They have no idea how many laws there that target poor people and the homeless in many states. In many states it's illegal to give homeless people food, clothing or money without a 'permit'. And police are more than enthusiastic about enforcing these laws.

Homeless people die terrible deaths. Even in jail. And it's easy for poor/homeless people to just disappear. People don't care. Police don't care. Police say they're all criminals, just because of the sins of a few. Naturally, they treat them all the same way.

If the day comes when a disaster hits this planet, changing everyone's way of life and the way people live. People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


First, take a deep breath and exhale.

Second-How many homeless people do you interact with on a daily basis, and how many are you trying to help?

I know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.
 
2012-12-03 11:13:05 AM

chevydeuce: yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of homeless people are perfectly well-adjusted and happy...


It's fun to watch from a safe distance isn't it?
 
2012-12-03 11:13:06 AM

BigNumber12: Was the underlying issue that he wasn't on fire?


The underlying issue was that the shoes were flame retardant.
 
2012-12-03 11:13:19 AM
And putting on shoes is not that hard.

/stupid Monday
 
2012-12-03 11:14:28 AM

MycroftHolmes: Second-How many homeless people do you interact with on a daily basis, and how many are you trying to help?


Regularly. And none of your business.
 
2012-12-03 11:15:16 AM
Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

Worth a lot more money not on his feet when it comes to people giving him money I'd imagine
 
2012-12-03 11:16:01 AM

Godscrack: Brainsick: And I hate to tell you, but if the day comes (disaster, etc) the strongest, meanest bastards with the most food, guns, and manpower are going to be running things, at least for awhile.

We can all dream, or have a plan!


No. No we can't. That's the reality. That's life, at the level of tooth and claw. Survival is not a pantry full of canned goods, a stockpile of ammo and a warm house with fire and water ready. That would be civilization. The type of survival you're thinking of hasn't been an issue for 200 years or so in the developed world and NO ONE in the U.S., especially the 'survivalists' I've met, is 'ready' in that sense.
 
2012-12-03 11:16:30 AM

skullkrusher: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

Worth a lot more money not on his feet when it comes to people giving him money I'd imagine


A whole lot of this.

Dont want to fark up that "pity" image. Its the only way someone will throw a quarter his way.

You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.
 
2012-12-03 11:16:31 AM
How did the cop know what size shoes to get him?
 
2012-12-03 11:18:16 AM
Not with my tax dollars!
 
2012-12-03 11:19:53 AM

Nobody else found it funny that the link directly above this one featured two police officers beating the shiat out of another homeless man?

Come on I couldn't have been the only one to notice it!!

know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.


No most police officers would rather throw you in jail than actually provide you with assistance once they've made up their mind about you. There are plenty enough examples and proof of that. Only the ignorant or disingenuous would argue against it.

Not that I fully blame the officers, the system is set up to where they are actively encourage to treat everyone like criminals, but it doesn't make it any better in my opinion.
 
2012-12-03 11:19:55 AM

Godscrack: MycroftHolmes: Second-How many homeless people do you interact with on a daily basis, and how many are you trying to help?

Regularly. And none of your business.


So, none, and you hate everything. Will you come to my birthday party?
 
2012-12-03 11:20:01 AM
Just want to point out as long as the photo is used editorially the guy has no claim to a piece of it.
 
2012-12-03 11:21:10 AM

Dynascape: skullkrusher: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

Worth a lot more money not on his feet when it comes to people giving him money I'd imagine

A whole lot of this.

Dont want to fark up that "pity" image. Its the only way someone will throw a quarter his way.

You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.


guy still obviously has serious issues but he knows the game I'd imagine.
Doesn't detract from what that cop did.
 
2012-12-03 11:21:11 AM
You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.


You're not poor if you own nice things!!!
 
2012-12-03 11:21:25 AM

occamswrist: How did the cop know what size shoes to get him?


Good question. Street people with mental disabilities don't know what size shoes they wear. They probably slapped some ill fitting shoes on him, got the money shot, then later the man found the shoes uncomfortable.
 
2012-12-03 11:22:34 AM

ginandbacon: That we allow our mentally ill to live like this is just abhorrent. I truly admire that officer for trying to help, but individuals can't overcome diseases this insidious. We need to, and can, do better. There is no excuse for this in the wealthiest nation on the planet.


Alas wealth and fair distribution of such wealth are two different things :(

Mind you public healthcare might help...
 
2012-12-03 11:22:36 AM
Cop thought he was giving the guy a nice pair of boots to make his life better. The guy thought the cop was giving him an item of value which had to be traded or protected. This is what happens when incompatible worlds collide.
 
2012-12-03 11:23:20 AM
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

/surprised no one posted it yet
 
2012-12-03 11:23:58 AM

Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.


img24.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-03 11:24:28 AM

Godscrack: chevydeuce: yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of homeless people are perfectly well-adjusted and happy...

It's fun to watch from a safe distance isn't it?


"Fun"? No, not at all...but as I said originally it is exhausting trying to help somebody who doesn't want help, eventually friends/family have to wash their the hands of the situation to save their own sanity...
 
2012-12-03 11:25:26 AM

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Is it possible this guy might not actually be homeless? Just playing a shoeless bum because it happens to be profitable?

/cynic


In NYC, I got treated to the same sob story by the same man, on the same train, 1 year apart. He had just been diagnosed as HIV+ so his boyfriend beat him up and kicked him out, he went to the men's shelter, but had been robbed, all he had left was the clothes on his back and his glasses. Not even shoes. Can you believe that the exact same thing would happen to a man twice in his life?

I actually bought some of the other things vended on the trains, like M&Ms and such. But I never gave money to the sob stories. Also, look at their shoes, despite this story, is a worthwhile piece of advice. You'll be able to see a lot about their character in their shoes.
 
2012-12-03 11:25:45 AM

Godscrack: Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.


Do you know how much a data plan is?

shiat. If you can afford a data plan but cant afford Section 8, there's a serious problem, and its NOT the system.
 
2012-12-03 11:25:50 AM

Godscrack: Dynascape: You know damn well if you see a homeless dude with Jordans and an iPhone he isnt *that* poor.

[img24.imageshack.us image 502x469]


black guy = "homeless"?
Looks like that race card backfired
 
2012-12-03 11:26:34 AM
At least the guy wasn't harassing anyone. One of the guys that usually hangs out at the exit ramps around here recently expanded his "business" He was hanging outside the Longhorn, with gas can in hand, asking for a dollar so he could get his family back home for the holidays. He used to work for food, but wants cash now.
 
2012-12-03 11:27:31 AM
...but light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
 
2012-12-03 11:28:10 AM
"Fun"? No, not at all...but as I said originally it is exhausting trying to help somebody who doesn't want help, eventually friends/family have to wash their the hands of the situation to save their own sanity...


It's almost as if some human beings have mental and physiological conditions that require more than family attention and help.

Real problems that need real medical and psychological care.

If only there was some sort of institution or body of power that could implement social programs to care and try to help those with such afflictions.

Thus creating a safer and overall higher quality of life for everyone. If only........
 
2012-12-03 11:28:33 AM

Masta Kronix: Nobody else found it funny that the link directly above this one featured two police officers beating the shiat out of another homeless man?

Come on I couldn't have been the only one to notice it!!

know a few cops, though not a ton. They are people, humans like the rest of us. When most of them start reacting the same way to certain situations, I start to wonder if they see or know something that I don't. I don't sit in my ivory tower and harp about how evil they are and how things should be when I am above the fray.

No most police officers would rather throw you in jail than actually provide you with assistance once they've made up their mind about you. There are plenty enough examples and proof of that. Only the ignorant or disingenuous would argue against it.

Not that I fully blame the officers, the system is set up to where they are actively encourage to treat everyone like criminals, but it doesn't make it any better in my opinion.


Challenge: Not bad, you don't have to commit a crime or go into a group of people from a specific race and shout a slur. No this challenge is simple: Ask a NYC Street Cop (esp. Manhattan) for directions. No! Better yet, ask a NYC Cop to point you in the right direction. In reality, he will not reach into his holster; but that twitch in his eye? That's his murder fantasy, starring you. He doesn't stop crimes or help people. He yells at traffic and ignores you for $75K per year plus OT.
 
2012-12-03 11:29:58 AM

Godscrack: People will all be on the same level. Money wont matter, it will have no value. All you have is your true character.


Well, and the car, the guns, and the supplies I've bought because I'm not some sky-eyed dreamer..
 
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