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(ESPN)   Jay Cutler is playing as well as he ever has in a Bears uniform, but the Seattle Seahawks DOOOOOOOOON'T CAAAAAAAAAAAARE   (espn.go.com) divider line 180
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2012-12-03 09:09:03 AM  
I live in the Seahawks TV area, so there are a lot of their games on. I usually don't enjoy them, and I am not a big Seachickens fan, but the games with the Bears are always fun to watch. Strange things happen, but they are fun.
 
2012-12-03 09:17:38 AM  
BTW, I know Kaepernick didn't really have to do much after the first quarter of his game against the Bears and the Bears have a lot of injuries, but that's twice in three weeks that QBs who are also run threats have absolutely killed the Bears defense.

Hmm...the QBs to post more than 20 points against the Bears:

Newton
Kaepernick
Wilson

(Luck and Rodgers are not on this list because Indy's offense only scored 14 and Green Bay's offense, if they'd actually gone for the FG instead of the fake FG that scored a TD, would've only scored 19).
 
2012-12-03 09:29:37 AM  

IAmRight: Hmm...the QBs to post more than 20 points against the Bears:

Newton
Kaepernick
Wilson


I wonder if the age of the defense has caught up to them. Urlacher isn't the same player he was 4 years ago.
 
2012-12-03 09:49:54 AM  

IAmRight: Green Bay's offense, if they'd actually gone for the FG instead of the fake FG that scored a TD, would've only scored 19).


No offense, but that's a bit of a stretch of a definition.
 
2012-12-03 09:55:28 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: IAmRight: Hmm...the QBs to post more than 20 points against the Bears:

Newton
Kaepernick
Wilson

I wonder if the age of the defense has caught up to them. Urlacher isn't the same player he was 4 years ago.


While that is true, Urlacher actually had an OK game yesterday. A forced fumble and a couple of pass breakups isn't too shabby, plus he ran down Rice to postpone a TD for a couple of plays.

The problems, as I saw them, were schematic. I mentioned in the thread that the Bears seemed to do a lot better when they had McClellan spying on Wilson, but they only did that in the second half, and then only on less than half of the plays. Additionally, on a couple of big 3rd downs in the 4th quarter, the Bears had 2 corners to cover 3 receivers on one side of the field, and every time Wilson hit the slot man to pick up the first.

Really, they lost to a contender in OT. That'll happen. There wasn't anything disastrous about this loss for Chicago; they just got flat beat. All props to Seattle and their fans.
 
2012-12-03 10:00:29 AM  

FriarReb98: No offense, but that's a bit of a stretch of a definition.


In any case, Rodgers is a pretty damn mobile QB as well as, y'know, the best QB in the league, so it doesn't really harm the argument that the Bears seem to fare worse against mobile QBs if I have to move him over to the "scored 21+" side.

In fact, we'll include him and Luck - let's point out that the Titans scored a late 8 points on an 80-yard CJ2K run after being down 51-12, so their 20 is pretty silly, and Dallas also got 8 points with 30 seconds left with Kyle Orton in what was a 34-10 game at that point. So we can really mark those two down as "garbage points" and then we can just make it a "who has scored 14+ points against the Bears" list.

Guys who have put up 13 or fewer points against the Bears:

Sam Bradford (6 points)
Tony Romo (who does a good job of extending plays, but usually isn't a threat to run - 10 points)
Blaine Gabbert (3 points)
Matt Stafford (7 points)
Matt Hasselbeck (12 points)
Matt Schaub (13 points)
Christian Ponder (10 points)

Guys who have put up 14+ points against the Bears:

Andrew Luck (14 points)
Aaron Rodgers (16 points (19 if we want to assume the FG))
Cam Newton (22 points)
Colin Kaepernick (30 points - safety)
Russell Wilson (23 points)
 
2012-12-03 10:09:50 AM  

IAmRight: Russell Wilson (23 points)


If you're going to really analyze this, in regulation, Wilson only got 17.
 
2012-12-03 10:11:54 AM  

IAmRight: BTW, I know Kaepernick didn't really have to do much after the first quarter of his game against the Bears and the Bears have a lot of injuries, but that's twice in three weeks that QBs who are also run threats have absolutely killed the Bears defense.

Hmm...the QBs to post more than 20 points against the Bears:

Newton
Kaepernick
Wilson

(Luck and Rodgers are not on this list because Indy's offense only scored 14 and Green Bay's offense, if they'd actually gone for the FG instead of the fake FG that scored a TD, would've only scored 19).


Urlacher's age/injury is really showing. He still has some speed going straight ahead, but his lateral quickness is gone and may never come back. That can be pretty catastrophic for the Bears, as they rely heavily on he and Briggs to cover a lot of ground.

Anyway, I had a bad feeling when the Bears chose to go for it rather than take the field goal early on. I always say take the safe points when you're winning.
 
2012-12-03 10:14:00 AM  
I have had the pleasure (sometimes misfortune) of tuning in to all of the Seahawks' games this year. Wilson has, since they opened up the entire playbook, been nothing short of spectacular. Barring a complete collapse, he should be considered Rookie of the Year. Unfortunately, Luck and RGIII have better marketing machines behind them.
 
2012-12-03 10:15:58 AM  

FriarReb98: IAmRight: Green Bay's offense, if they'd actually gone for the FG instead of the fake FG that scored a TD, would've only scored 19).

No offense, but that's a bit of a stretch of a definition.


I think the point is that on a fake FG the QB doesn't actually score anything, so give him the benefit of the doubt with the FG.
 
2012-12-03 10:19:56 AM  
When did the Bears forget how to tackle?
 
2012-12-03 10:21:28 AM  

poughdrew: If you're going to really analyze this, in regulation, Wilson only got 17.


Which would still put him in the same category. Only took one drive though.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Unfortunately, Luck and RGIII have better marketing machines behind them.


It's always better to be overlooked than be overhyped.

/at least from a fan's perspective
//probably more fun to be overhyped until the media turns on you for not being everything they claimed you were
///see: Cam Newton
 
2012-12-03 10:23:45 AM  
Good game, thought the Bears had it in the bag early on until Lovie went for that 4th instead of kicking the FG. After that the Hawks scored (IIRC) then Bennett drops the TD bomb so the Bears are still at 7 points after I felt like they dominated the half. Then the D just ran out of gas, losing the coin toss in OT basically did it. You could see them all exhausted, Urlacher coming off the field during that final drive, their age was showing there. Offense generally moved the ball and looked good, but man, they could've won that one.

Oh well, I'm expecting a 1-and-done in the playoffs regardless but I hope Jay can keep up the high level of play. Also, did he get sacked at all last game? I think Hawks still had 0 in the fourth (and generally got little pressure on Cutler). When's the last time that happened?
 
2012-12-03 10:30:01 AM  
Against the NFC North this year, Seattle has beat everyone except Detroit. Does not compute.
 
2012-12-03 10:30:03 AM  

Electromax: Good game, thought the Bears had it in the bag early on until Lovie went for that 4th instead of kicking the FG.


I knew that call was going to get a lot of flak, but it was the right call. If it works, the Bears have the game in a stranglehold. It was worth the risk. It sucks it didn't work, but it was a good call.
 
2012-12-03 10:30:43 AM  
Further proof that the NFC sucks balls.

/just ignore Baltimore's loss to Batch. Thanks
 
2012-12-03 10:32:17 AM  

Electromax: Also, did he get sacked at all last game? I think Hawks still had 0 in the fourth (and generally got little pressure on Cutler). When's the last time that happened?


Seahawks got one to keep the streak alive, but it was only because of a fumble on the handoff.

/if it counted as a sack
//our pass rush prowess is GREATLY exaggerated by a media that seems to only remember that first half against Green Bay
 
2012-12-03 10:33:55 AM  
Can't wait for the Bears Packers game 2 weeks from now. I'm sure the Pack could wait though. They need to pend the next week submerged in Bacta tanks.
 
2012-12-03 10:35:21 AM  

NewWorldDan: Against the NFC North this year, Seattle has beat everyone except Detroit. Does not compute.


You would have to see more Seahawks games to understand the trend that begat their awful road record: a near-complete collapse of the defense in the final stages of the game, coupled with awful defensive playcalling. It's what cost them the games against the Dolphins and the Lions.

/also had four chances for the end zone to beat the Cards in week one
//the only away game where they truly struggled was against the Rams
 
2012-12-03 10:37:03 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: //the only away game where they truly struggled was against the Rams


And that one we lost because we let Amendola fake running off the field on a FGA, so he was wide open for a free TD. :/
 
2012-12-03 10:37:38 AM  
Oh, and the 49ers game was the one where they actually struggled (at least offensively).
 
2012-12-03 10:38:05 AM  
Also, starting to notice headline trends on this tab. "This game was a well fought match between 2 defenses and one was just outdone...better just say Cutler."
 
2012-12-03 10:40:28 AM  

FriarReb98: IAmRight: Green Bay's offense, if they'd actually gone for the FG instead of the fake FG that scored a TD, would've only scored 19).

No offense, but that's a bit of a stretch of a definition.


I don't see why, since the difference was a TD pass by the punter/holder against a special teams unit. I wouldn't count that as a game with 20 points by the Packers' offense.
 
2012-12-03 10:41:18 AM  
The AFC went 4-0 against the NFC this week, including 2 upsets. Further proof the NFC sucks balls
 
2012-12-03 10:41:56 AM  

Orgasmatron138: Urlacher's age/injury is really showing. He still has some speed going straight ahead, but his lateral quickness is gone and may never come back. That can be pretty catastrophic for the Bears, as they rely heavily on he and Briggs to cover a lot of ground.


A shame because I have never seen a guy that big move that quickly. There was one of those "Superstars" competitions and he ran the 100-yd dash in some insane time.

Giants/Jets fan but much respect.
 
2012-12-03 10:42:13 AM  

IAmRight: Oh, and the 49ers game was the one where they actually struggled (at least offensively).


Depends on what you mean by "struggled." The score would have been vastly different, as two or three wide open receivers (Evan Moore was one) dropped a pass with practically no one around them.
 
2012-12-03 10:43:51 AM  
FIBs.

That is all.
 
2012-12-03 10:44:51 AM  

R.A.Danny: When did the Bears forget how to tackle?


I was under the impression that they never really knew how in the first place.

/watched it
//groaned
///turned it off
 
2012-12-03 10:50:01 AM  

Scottybobotty: I was under the impression that they never really knew how in the first place.


From that game you probably would have been right in thinking that, but they have been pretty solid in that department until yesterday.
 
2012-12-03 10:51:00 AM  
I am done defending Ponder.

Not for that first stupid pic. The second one. MOTHERfarkER YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF MAKING THAT OUTROUTE PASS. Your arm strength is that of Chad Pennington after his first arm surgery. I have watched you throw that pic too many god damn times.

/threadjackover
 
2012-12-03 10:53:00 AM  

R.A.Danny: Scottybobotty: I was under the impression that they never really knew how in the first place.

From that game you probably would have been right in thinking that, but they have been pretty solid in that department until yesterday.


That or the SF game. Although SF was less 'bad tacking' (there was some though) and more 'what coverage?'
 
2012-12-03 10:53:18 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: The AFC went 4-0 against the NFC this week, including 2 upsets. Further proof the NFC sucks balls


Which were upsets?

Playoff team Indy beating sub-.500 Detroit on a last-second play?
Playoff-clinched Denver beating .500 Tampa Bay?
Jets beating a Cardinals team that's lost 8 consecutive games?
The "upset" over a 3-9 team?
 
2012-12-03 10:53:18 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I have had the pleasure (sometimes misfortune) of tuning in to all of the Seahawks' games this year. Wilson has, since they opened up the entire playbook, been nothing short of spectacular. Barring a complete collapse, he should be considered Rookie of the Year. Unfortunately, Luck and RGIII have better marketing machines behind them.


I think Griffin will be ROY and that's okay - he has just about the same passing numbers as Wilson with better running numbers, and he's doing it with an inferior supporting cast. This doesn't mean Wilson isn't looking great. And of course the gap in perception and media coverage is unbelievable: Griffin inspires deep reverence while Wilson gets a condescending "isn't that cute, the Seahawks think he can be a starting quarterback."
 
2012-12-03 10:56:07 AM  

Super Chronic: I think Griffin will be ROY and that's okay - he has just about the same passing numbers as Wilson with better running numbers, and he's doing it with an inferior supporting cast. This doesn't mean Wilson isn't looking great. And of course the gap in perception and media coverage is unbelievable: Griffin inspires deep reverence while Wilson gets a condescending "isn't that cute, the Seahawks think he can be a starting quarterback."


Yeah, it's more of a "Wilson isn't even in the conversation for some reason despite being the No. 7 passer in the league (after a terrible first month) and leading a team which was pretty much considered to be less talented than the Redskins on offense.
 
2012-12-03 10:59:16 AM  

Super Chronic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I have had the pleasure (sometimes misfortune) of tuning in to all of the Seahawks' games this year. Wilson has, since they opened up the entire playbook, been nothing short of spectacular. Barring a complete collapse, he should be considered Rookie of the Year. Unfortunately, Luck and RGIII have better marketing machines behind them.

I think Griffin will be ROY and that's okay - he has just about the same passing numbers as Wilson with better running numbers, and he's doing it with an inferior supporting cast. This doesn't mean Wilson isn't looking great. And of course the gap in perception and media coverage is unbelievable: Griffin inspires deep reverence while Wilson gets a condescending "isn't that cute, the Seahawks think he can be a starting quarterback."


I know that most football announcers are dead from the neck up, but if I hear one more thing about how short Wilson is ...
 
2012-12-03 10:59:21 AM  
The Bears are going to Lovie Smith their way out of the playoffs and it's hilarious.
 
2012-12-03 11:00:47 AM  
Great win for my Hawks. Glad to see aggressive play calling down the stretch unlike that pitiful Miami game.

The Defense almost botched the game AGAIN.
 
2012-12-03 11:03:50 AM  

IAmRight: Which were upsets?

Playoff team Indy beating sub-.500 Detroit on a last-second play?
Playoff-clinched Denver beating .500 Tampa Bay?
Jets beating a Cardinals team that's lost 8 consecutive games?
The "upset" over a 3-9 team?


Actually, the Lions were favored against Indy by 4, I believe. So, yeah. Upset.

(I wasn't upset at all though! Woooo Colts!)
 
2012-12-03 11:06:07 AM  

Starhawk: Actually, the Lions were favored against Indy by 4, I believe. So, yeah. Upset.


Ah, so we're going to consider Vegas lines as arbiters and act like proud when a 7-4 team beats a 4-7 team.
 
2012-12-03 11:06:22 AM  

Starhawk: IAmRight: Which were upsets?

Playoff team Indy beating sub-.500 Detroit on a last-second play?
Playoff-clinched Denver beating .500 Tampa Bay?
Jets beating a Cardinals team that's lost 8 consecutive games?
The "upset" over a 3-9 team?

Actually, the Lions were favored against Indy by 4, I believe. So, yeah. Upset.

(I wasn't upset at all though! Woooo Colts!)


Don't worry...if you watch ESPN headlines closely enough where Seattle is concerned, the bias is obvious. When they beat the Pats, ESPN said "Pats lose" in their heads with no mention of Seattle; the "recap" basically made it seem as if the Pats had somehow mystically lost against an empty field.

/which is why Sherman made noise after the game
 
2012-12-03 11:09:42 AM  

IAmRight: Super Chronic: I think Griffin will be ROY and that's okay - he has just about the same passing numbers as Wilson with better running numbers, and he's doing it with an inferior supporting cast. This doesn't mean Wilson isn't looking great. And of course the gap in perception and media coverage is unbelievable: Griffin inspires deep reverence while Wilson gets a condescending "isn't that cute, the Seahawks think he can be a starting quarterback."

Yeah, it's more of a "Wilson isn't even in the conversation for some reason despite being the No. 7 passer in the league (after a terrible first month) and leading a team which was pretty much considered to be less talented than the Redskins on offense.


I'd say Wilson will probably wind up anywhere from second to fourth in the offensive ROY vote. Personally I'd vote him second after Griffin. If I had to guess I'd say he'll finish third after Griffin and Luck. Luck does have a shiatton of passing yards and you do have to admire taking a 1-15 team into a possible playoff spot, though his efficiency sucks. If Doug Martin winds up with like 1500 yards he could also slip ahead of Wilson, even though it's historically been much easier to succeed as a rookie RB than as a rookie QB.

If people like Ryan Tannehill and Trent Richardson and Malcolm Floyd get votes ahead of Wilson, we'll know something is seriously amiss. But I don't think that will happen. If a lineman gets votes, then hey, I'll applaud that voter for his awareness.
 
2012-12-03 11:18:34 AM  

thecpt: Also, starting to notice headline trends on this tab. "This game was a well fought match between 2 defenses and one was just outdone...better just say Cutler."


They can't resist hating on Cutler, even if he did everything right in a game. It's a mental illness.
 
2012-12-03 11:20:06 AM  
What was amazing and sad is that Cutler and the offensive line played pretty much a perfect game and the Bears scored a whole 17 points.
 
2012-12-03 11:23:01 AM  

NewWorldDan: Against the NFC North this year, Seattle has beat everyone except Detroit. Does not compute.


Let us not forget the intercepdown. It doesn't reflect in the win-loss column but the Packers won that game.
 
2012-12-03 11:23:31 AM  

Weigard: The Bears are going to Lovie Smith their way out of the playoffs and it's hilarious.


Even if they make the playoffs, they won't make it far. Too many injuries. Too many weak spots.
 
2012-12-03 11:28:47 AM  

Fark Griswald: Let us not forget the intercepdown. It doesn't reflect in the win-loss column but the Packers won that game.


Sh*ttier calls are made every week.

Love how crap plays like Holy Roller and Immaculate Reception, when they happen for popular teams, get nice nicknames. Seahawks finally have a call go their way? Nope, must refer to it as Fail Mary!

/and if the refs didn't give the Packers the lead, they wouldn't have had to take it back
 
2012-12-03 11:30:30 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Weigard: The Bears are going to Lovie Smith their way out of the playoffs and it's hilarious.

Even if they make the playoffs, they won't make it far. Too many injuries. Too many weak spots.


I've got the Bears exiting in the first round.
 
2012-12-03 11:31:57 AM  

Pentaxian: Orgasmatron138: Urlacher's age/injury is really showing. He still has some speed going straight ahead, but his lateral quickness is gone and may never come back. That can be pretty catastrophic for the Bears, as they rely heavily on he and Briggs to cover a lot of ground.

A shame because I have never seen a guy that big move that quickly. There was one of those "Superstars" competitions and he ran the 100-yd dash in some insane time.

Giants/Jets fan but much respect.


HGH is a wonderful drug. And yes, they all do it
 
2012-12-03 11:34:52 AM  

Orgasmatron138: Lando Lincoln: Weigard: The Bears are going to Lovie Smith their way out of the playoffs and it's hilarious.

Even if they make the playoffs, they won't make it far. Too many injuries. Too many weak spots.

I've got the Bears exiting in the first round.


I hope the bears get matched up with the Giants for the first round. That would be an awesome game that both teams could win.
 
2012-12-03 11:39:48 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: The AFC went 4-0 against the NFC this week, including 2 upsets. Further proof the NFC sucks balls


I just summed up the Non-Conf column on the division standings. AFC is now 23-27 against the NFC this year. So they need to finish the year 9-5 against the NFC to make it .500 against the sucky ball conference that's won the last 3 Super Bowls.
 
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