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2012-12-03 05:11:00 AM  

Father_Jack: Pray 4 Mojo: BlousyBrown: Lighten up no one is taking your car or your gun.

While ownership is technically still legal in California... it's petty much illegal to use them in most cities.

that's the problem.

/interactions with PD's in California get VERY scary when the citizen is carrying.
//and that's really not necessary

I'd say interactions with PDs in the US is freakin scary, irrespective of whether the pd is californian or arizonan or oregonian or ohioan or whereever. American cops are scary, stupid, well armed, protect one another to ridiculous extremes and see the world in terms of Cops and Perps.


"Hello, Officer. I'd like to inform you that I'm legally carrying a concealed and loaded 9mm pistol under my left arm which I intend to leave holstered."

It's fun starting off every interaction I have with CA cops with that speech. Hate doing it, but it's better than having some dumbass shoot me if he happens to see it.
 
2012-12-03 05:12:31 AM  

logruszed: Look, I'm a firearms owner o.k. but your comparison is the kind of farktard ammunition people who are absolutely against firearms ownership use as an example of everyone who owns a gun. It's poorly thought out rationalizations like those that make us all look as stupid as you. The NRA currently wants people to believe that any sort of legislation and registration and mandatory training (all of which would actually make them somewhat like cars) would somehow lead to the end of western liberty and civilization.


You're missing one big difference. Driving is a privilege, while gun ownership is a Constitutionally protected right.
 
2012-12-03 05:13:49 AM  

log_jammin: libranoelrose: It's like somehow there was a comment by a commentator who pulled the "I don't always agree with this guy who is from the same town as where this tragedy, but now I do.", turned into a gun rights thread.

In fairness the "guy who is from the same town as where this tragedy" is Jason Whitlock. and the dude is a troll. He knew this would blow up and get him page views. Guys been doing crap like ths for years.


I'm so conflicted here.

Whitlock is a troll if you are a blind Chiefs fan, but I'm not one of those.

Most Chiefs fans I know are. I've been yelling at them for years, and arguing with Jason as much as much as most of them.

I know who Whitlock is.
 
2012-12-03 05:13:58 AM  
There's like 50 people a day killed in the U.S. every day. Most of those are from unregistered, illegal handguns, and most involve the drug trade in some way.You only hear about the high profile cases unfortunately, and most of those are licensed gun carriers, though I don't know if this guy was licensed. To restrict gun ownership to law abiding citizenry will not effect gun violence as a whole since the criminals will still get a gun one way or another.

Illegal drugs are still available if you want to break the law..as guns will be.

/not a gun owner
 
2012-12-03 05:14:18 AM  

libranoelrose: BlousyBrown: I have never understood the expression "don't be that guy"

You're being that guy.


I AM that guy.........except for the boob having and no penis part. AND my boobs are fantastic. I'm sticking to my guns on that.
 
2012-12-03 05:14:51 AM  

libranoelrose: BlousyBrown: I have never understood the expression "don't be that guy"

You're being that guy.


It's like a poker game... if you can't spot the sucker... you are the sucker. Same thing... if you don't know who "that guy" is... you are that guy.
 
2012-12-03 05:15:22 AM  
-1 as much
 
2012-12-03 05:17:16 AM  

BlousyBrown: libranoelrose: BlousyBrown: I have never understood the expression "don't be that guy"

You're being that guy.

I AM that guy.........except for the boob having and no penis part. AND my boobs are fantastic. I'm sticking to my guns on that.


I think you should tell us about them...

and use lots of adjectives.

/and big words.
 
2012-12-03 05:18:27 AM  

BlousyBrown: I AM that guy.........except for the boob having and no penis part. AND my boobs are fantastic. I'm sticking to my guns on that.


Pray 4 Mojo: It's like a poker game... if you can't spot the sucker... you are the sucker. Same thing... if you don't know who "that guy" is... you are that guy.


ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-12-03 05:21:25 AM  

BlousyBrown: except for the boob having and no penis part. AND my boobs are fantastic.


Can we go over this part again, please?
 
2012-12-03 05:22:09 AM  
I just get sick and tired of all these gun control nuts popping up and shoving their agenda down our throats any chance they can get.

Why won't they just shut the fark up about it and get over it?

The 2nd Amendment is our right to bear arms in the United States. Get over it and stop your whining. You are starting to make our ears bleed.

( and no, the gun didn't mind control Belcher into killing people and himself. And if he didn't have a gun, it would have been a knife. )
 
2012-12-03 05:22:39 AM  
It's the gun fantasy that's the problem. I had a friend that was a gun lover and he frequently fantasized about finding someone in his house and shooting them. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're a better shot than a bad guy.

There is a reason the offense has an advantage in football. They know what they are going to do and the defense doesn't know. If a bad guy has a gun and they want to kill you, they will usually succeed because it was their idea.

/It also doesn't protect you from a crazy spouse or child in your house.
 
2012-12-03 05:23:48 AM  
I like Costas. I think he is one of the few talented journalists. Regardless of his opinions or speculations, I won't judge.
 
2012-12-03 05:24:15 AM  

libranoelrose: Pray 4 Mojo: Case in point... I would guess that if Belche didn't have a gun... the only life that would have been saved is his. A massive, strong and athletic human male got really, really pissed off and shot his girlfriend... I don't think it's a stretch to think that he would have just beaten, stabbed, strangled her if he had no gun.

Yeah, but it didn't happen that way.

He shot her right in front of his mom, who was holding their baby.

If he didn't have a gun I doubt the beating would have gotten any further than him raising his fist and then his mom slapping him in the face.


Fair point I guess... I admittedly don't know many of the details of this case.

It's the "every" that pissed me off...

I've had plenty of "bumps" in my life... even a few that were violent or potentially violent... and I still haven't shot anybody.
 
2012-12-03 05:24:21 AM  

MagicMissile: I just get sick


You won't last a year here. Good luck.
 
2012-12-03 05:24:24 AM  
Obama says guns belong in the hands of soldiers. And drug cartels. But not you.
 
2012-12-03 05:24:34 AM  

Acharne: Mock26: mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes. (The 80,000 number is from the Department of Justice, the 2.5 million from an independent study.) They certainly prevent more crimes than they take lives.

A quick and easy debunking of this 2.5 million number:

Link

Guns in America: National Survey on
Private Ownership and Use of Firearms
U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
National Institute of Justice

See Page 8 for numbers on defensive gun use, including comparisons to the Kleck report.

Both of those links debunk 2.5 million DGUs quite nicely and explain the origin of the myth/talking point. While no one can dispute firearms can dissuade crime, it is a silly position to take to that it counterpoints the documented crimes committed with firearms. That's like comparing dog bites to puppy cuddles and weighting them equally.

Not to mention how many of those DGUs were people pulling guns on people who pulled a gun on them, that never makes it to the statistics.


Actually, the link posted by the other user debunks nothing. It has no supporting data to support it. As for the link that I posted:

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.

So, it really does not debunk the Kleck numbers, either.

But that is neither here nor there. Disregard the Kleck study completely and take the Department of Justice number of 80,000 (108,000 according to the link I provided) and the number of murders committed in this country is significantly lower than the number of times a gun is used to prevent a crime in this country.

* NSPOF: National Survey of Private Ownership of Firearms.
 
2012-12-03 05:25:26 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: BlousyBrown: libranoelrose: BlousyBrown: I have never understood the expression "don't be that guy"

You're being that guy.

I AM that guy.........except for the boob having and no penis part. AND my boobs are fantastic. I'm sticking to my guns on that.

I think you should tell us about them...

and use lots of adjectives.

/and big words.


Locked, Stacked and two Smokin melons. Also round........ aww crap, I'm bluffing....I really am "that guy"
(still a girl, though)
 
2012-12-03 05:25:46 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: It's the "every" that pissed me off...


I hear ya.

They expect us to be polite all the time, yet they escalate whenever possible.
 
2012-12-03 05:25:59 AM  

libranoelrose: BlousyBrown: except for the boob having and no penis part. AND my boobs are fantastic.

Can we go over this part again, please?


You're a perv...
 
2012-12-03 05:27:43 AM  

BlousyBrown: Pray 4 Mojo: BlousyBrown: libranoelrose: BlousyBrown: I have never understood the expression "don't be that guy"

You're being that guy.

I AM that guy.........except for the boob having and no penis part. AND my boobs are fantastic. I'm sticking to my guns on that.

I think you should tell us about them...

and use lots of adjectives.

/and big words.

Locked, Stacked and two Smokin melons. Also round........ aww crap, I'm bluffing....I really am "that guy"
(still a girl, though)


I would never ask you to reveal you cleavage in a thread, so I think you should upload a pic to ******* DAMMIT
 
2012-12-03 05:27:48 AM  

pnkgtr: It's the gun fantasy that's the problem. I had a friend that was a gun lover and he frequently fantasized about finding someone in his house and shooting them. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're a better shot than a bad guy.

There is a reason the offense has an advantage in football. They know what they are going to do and the defense doesn't know. If a bad guy has a gun and they want to kill you, they will usually succeed because it was their idea.

/It also doesn't protect you from a crazy spouse or child in your house.


And just because you own a gun does not mean that you fantasize about using it in an heroic fashion. I have several guns, and any gun fantasies that I might have involve either target shooting or hunting. I have never fantasized about using one to defend my home or my life.
 
2012-12-03 05:30:09 AM  
Now that guns, football and boobie trifecta is complete.

It's time for sleep.

/Good talk Rusty.
 
2012-12-03 05:31:37 AM  

libranoelrose: Whitlock is a troll if you are a blind Chiefs fan, but I'm not one of those.

Most Chiefs fans I know are. I've been yelling at them for years, and arguing with Jason as much as much as most of them.

I know who Whitlock is.



I'm proud to say that I haven't been a chiefs fan since before the turn of the century.
 
2012-12-03 05:35:01 AM  

Mock26: pnkgtr: It's the gun fantasy that's the problem. I had a friend that was a gun lover and he frequently fantasized about finding someone in his house and shooting them. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're a better shot than a bad guy.

There is a reason the offense has an advantage in football. They know what they are going to do and the defense doesn't know. If a bad guy has a gun and they want to kill you, they will usually succeed because it was their idea.

/It also doesn't protect you from a crazy spouse or child in your house.

And just because you own a gun does not mean that you fantasize about using it in an heroic fashion. I have several guns, and any gun fantasies that I might have involve either target shooting or hunting. I have never fantasized about using one to defend my home or my life.


i have zombie defense fantasies with mine. im not gonna lie. illl man up to admitting that. all my red mist fantasies involve the brain craving undead.

who happen to sort of resemble high school bullies, supes that fired me and exes who wronge me. but its coincidental.
 
2012-12-03 05:35:11 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: logruszed: Look, I'm a firearms owner o.k. but your comparison is the kind of farktard ammunition people who are absolutely against firearms ownership use as an example of everyone who owns a gun. It's poorly thought out rationalizations like those that make us all look as stupid as you. The NRA currently wants people to believe that any sort of legislation and registration and mandatory training (all of which would actually make them somewhat like cars) would somehow lead to the end of western liberty and civilization.

You're missing one big difference. Driving is a privilege, while gun ownership is a Constitutionally protected right.


If only the framers had figured out the possibility that they might have not had the perfect everlasting solution and left in some way to alter or amend this document.

Because I'm sure people with low population density and muzzle-loading knew ahead of time that walking in to some place like a mall and being able to loose 9 rounds in less time than it took them to reload once was what they were thinking.

Or could you accept that shiat changes? Today isn't then. You can't beat your wife and kids anymore without losing them, you can't own people anymore, you can't shoot savages, etc. On the bright side diphtheria isn't much of an issue any more.
 
2012-12-03 05:36:09 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Now that guns, football and boobie trifecta is complete.

It's time for sleep.

/Good talk Rusty.


You got favorited for that, Clark.
 
2012-12-03 05:36:19 AM  

Mock26: But that is neither here nor there. Disregard the Kleck study completely and take the Department of Justice number of 80,000 (108,000 according to the link I provided) and the number of murders committed in this country is significantly lower than the number of times a gun is used to prevent a crime in this country.


Are murders the only kind of violent act that could theoretically be prevented by a gun?
 
2012-12-03 05:37:07 AM  

log_jammin: libranoelrose: Whitlock is a troll if you are a blind Chiefs fan, but I'm not one of those.

Most Chiefs fans I know are. I've been yelling at them for years, and arguing with Jason as much as much as most of them.

I know who Whitlock is.


I'm proud to say that I haven't been a chiefs fan since before the turn of the century.


Good for you.
 
2012-12-03 05:38:28 AM  

logruszed: On the bright side diphtheria isn't much of an issue any more.


This is one of my favorite things.
 
2012-12-03 05:42:13 AM  
Its great to see the paranoid gun control crowd under fire, Bob Costas should issue a public apology for what he did.
 
2012-12-03 05:46:49 AM  

MagicMissile: Its great to see the paranoid gun control crowd under fire, Bob Costas should issue a public apology for what he did.


Right after your parents issue their own.
 
2012-12-03 05:47:24 AM  

MagicMissile: Its great to see the paranoid gun control crowd under fire, Bob Costas should issue a public apology for what he did.


Nah - Costas is a jerk, but gun fappers are too sensitive, and need more slapping down when they whine, and less coddling. Man up and grow a pair, Nancy-boy.
 
2012-12-03 05:50:41 AM  
you shouldnt talk to your father that way Logruszed
 
2012-12-03 06:02:23 AM  
Amazing how a bunch of big, tough gun owners turn into whiny biatches when someone expresses an opinion questioning their need to arm themselves.

Insecure much?
 
2012-12-03 06:02:53 AM  
The knuckle-dragging, alpha-male, thug culture that these barely literate Football players live in is what needs to be controlled!
 
2012-12-03 06:07:34 AM  
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Would'ja rather dey's pushed from windas, little goil?
 
2012-12-03 06:07:38 AM  
There are a lot of whiny insecure biatches here complaining about the 2nd amendment, that's what I'm seeing!


I plan on using my tax return to by a rifle this year. How about you guys?
 
2012-12-03 06:09:44 AM  

carnifex2005: Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.

People need cars, people don't need handguns as every other Western nation in the world already knows.


No, people do not *need* cars. Humanity survived tens of thousands of years without them. Besides, who are you to tell us what he do and do not need, you pretentious twerp?
 
2012-12-03 06:09:53 AM  

MagicMissile: There are a lot of whiny insecure biatches here complaining about the 2nd amendment, that's what I'm seeing!


I plan on using my tax return to by a rifle this year. How about you guys?


dont buy something ghey. Get some old milsurp. Stay away from that „tacticool" AR15 and AK47 polymer bs. Get an old mauser or an old enfield from ww2.
 
2012-12-03 06:12:53 AM  
I don't care on what side of the issue you stand, all I know is that if you use the words "jam down my throat " or "shoved down my throat" then those thoughts preceding and following that are not your own. You might agree with the sentiment but you are essentially repeating a thought leader's, good or bad, talking points.

My FB feed is proof of this.
 
2012-12-03 06:13:13 AM  

mediablitz: Frank N Stein: Christ Benoit proved that a roided up strongman needs no weapons to kill his wife and himself.

Ah, the old "not everyone dies via gun violence, therefore there is no need to discuss gun violence" red herring.

This tired fallacy is a staple of those unwilling to discuss rampant gun violence in the United States.

Congratulations on your lack of originality.


It's not a fallacy, it's a fact. You don't need a gun to kill someone. Hey, but thanks for playing.
 
2012-12-03 06:22:59 AM  

TerminalEchoes: mediablitz: Frank N Stein: Christ Benoit proved that a roided up strongman needs no weapons to kill his wife and himself.

Ah, the old "not everyone dies via gun violence, therefore there is no need to discuss gun violence" red herring.

This tired fallacy is a staple of those unwilling to discuss rampant gun violence in the United States.

Congratulations on your lack of originality.

It's not a fallacy, it's a fact. You don't need a gun to kill someone. Hey, but thanks for playing.


You're right. I could kill somebody using an Ethernet cord. Or a lawn chair. Or an umbrella. Or insert whatever thing you want to here. The difference is very few of those things were designed with the sole intent of killing another living thing.
 
2012-12-03 06:28:51 AM  
How come no one ever talks about banning swords. I mean.... swords killed a lot of people in our species history....
 
2012-12-03 06:32:40 AM  
When I want to talk guns I certainly won't listen to a Costa who doesn't have his own action figure.

dl.dropbox.com


jso2897: Nah - Costas is a jerk, but gun fappers are too sensitive,


We whine because the stupid burns too much to be ignored.
We've just come off a seventy year run of gun control measures that amounted to bumpkiss. Despite all the office furniture and helicopter time bought by the ATF, crime rates are falling while gun sales are spiking. It suggests that those billions spent to collect serial numbers and hunt moon shiners were wasted while education and actual law enforcement went in need.
Most of these anti-gun measures slipped past because people didn't complain loudly enough at the time.
What we learned was that a few thousand reasonable laws will eventually amount to an unreasonable outcome.

Now We have celebrities telling us that, between two weapons of the same caliber and same performance, one is more dangerous than the other due to the color of its plastic. We've got lawyers arguing that people who steal your things have a right to walk away if caught in the act. We have a man who takes a moment away from his job of narrating a gladiatorial sport to lecture us about how bad an influence those black kids and their loud hip hop music are.

Any fan of living in a free society should whine about this, because bad ideas have small beginnings.

/If you want to see domestic violence tragedies, follow the news in less affluent nations.
/Especially those in Africa, Asia, and the Middle east where gun control is often very strict (if selectively enforced). 
/Locking up the guns won't give women the edge in a fight against men. It would more do the opposite.
 
2012-12-03 06:41:01 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.


Dear sage, please enlighten us with your words of wisdom. More people die every day in car accidents than die by handgun violence in a year. I guess it is only reasonable to say that getting rid of cars is the natural solution to that. Use your head for something other than a hat rack, guns are nothing but objects. The football player that triggered this outburst wanted his wife dead. If he didn't have access to a gun, there is no doubt he would have used something else. It would be better to get rid of the reason that these people are doing these things rather than the tool they use to do them. Otherwise, they will continue to happen.
 
2012-12-03 06:52:06 AM  
hbk72777: don't fix the stupidity that caused it in the first place

You've obviously never tried to fix stupid.
 
2012-12-03 06:53:41 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.


Lots of people die due to our gun/car/drug/sedentary/abortion culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of doing bidness in Muricah.
 
2012-12-03 06:56:09 AM  

immrlizard: Harry_Seldon: Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Dear sage, please enlighten us with your words of wisdom. More people die every day in car accidents than die by handgun violence in a year. I guess it is only reasonable to say that getting rid of cars is the natural solution to that. Use your head for something other than a hat rack, guns are nothing but objects. The football player that triggered this outburst wanted his wife dead. If he didn't have access to a gun, there is no doubt he would have used something else. It would be better to get rid of the reason that these people are doing these things rather than the tool they use to do them. Otherwise, they will continue to happen.


We require people to be certified to operate a car. Also, cars were created with a purpose beyond just killing another living thing.
 
2012-12-03 07:05:22 AM  

Serious Black: immrlizard: Harry_Seldon: Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Dear sage, please enlighten us with your words of wisdom. More people die every day in car accidents than die by handgun violence in a year. I guess it is only reasonable to say that getting rid of cars is the natural solution to that. Use your head for something other than a hat rack, guns are nothing but objects. The football player that triggered this outburst wanted his wife dead. If he didn't have access to a gun, there is no doubt he would have used something else. It would be better to get rid of the reason that these people are doing these things rather than the tool they use to do them. Otherwise, they will continue to happen.

We require people to be certified to operate a car. Also, cars were created with a purpose beyond just killing another living thing.


Vehicles operate on public property and with the constant interaction with other vehicles/drivers. The cost to repair them if a crash occurs is significant. On top of that, the smooth operation of these vehicles on public roads is necessary for the continued financial success of the country. As such, licensing is appropriate. Firearms do not have any of these requirements and would be much more comparable to the other enumerated rights.
 
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