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2012-12-03 04:17:36 AM  

Securitywyrm: This behavior disgusts me so I'll just leave this here.

"Funny how the people who want to remove guns from the street also expect a police officer to show up instantly when they call 911 and do violence on their behalf to keep them safe. I wonder if what they're really scared of is the concept of taking personal responsibility for your own safety."


I'm sure most people have no interest in taking personal responsibility for anything they do. That's way all the farking lawsuits. A guy robbing someone's house gets shot. The criminal could and probably has sued the owner of the house.
 
2012-12-03 04:17:48 AM  

LaughingRadish: That squall you refer to is the concept of not giving an inch. Those who'd rather keep their rights are well-aware of when concessions are made in the direction of eliminating or restricting rights. It's very difficult to get them back again.


I agree that it would be very difficult to get those rights back again, because future generations would be saying, "Why the fark would we go back to the old ways? Clearly, those people were doing something stupid." Sort of like how there isn't much of a serious push to bring back slavery.
 
2012-12-03 04:17:55 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens


Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.
 
2012-12-03 04:19:09 AM  

logruszed: Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.

How much are you paying a month in gun insurance and where did you take your gun test.

Look, I'm a firearms owner o.k. but your comparison is the kind of farktard ammunition people who are absolutely against firearms ownership use as an example of everyone who owns a gun. It's poorly thought out rationalizations like those that make us all look as stupid as you. The NRA currently wants people to believe that any sort of legislation and registration and mandatory training (all of which would actually make them somewhat like cars) would somehow lead to the end of western liberty and civilization.

This is the same group that used Charlton Heston, when he was suffering from dementia and forgot that he once loudly stood for registration and sensible gun laws, as a spokesman.

So go back to your cellar and polish your Taurus and Kel-Tec collection and STFU.


This. I used to be a member of the NRA until the organization got hijacked by Neo-Con Jeebus freaks and the Tea Baggers. As an owners of firearms, I find nothing wrong with some legislation that aids law enforcement to help solve gun crimes. In addition, what the hell is wrong with having mandatroy firearms training for future gun owners?
 
2012-12-03 04:19:38 AM  

UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.


And this is exactly why all the "good citizens only" gun laws in the world wouldn't have done shiat for these people. Belcher was a model citizen and success story until he hit a bump.
 
2012-12-03 04:20:01 AM  

fugeeface: this should be good

/fark you Costas


You'd be surprised how civil us NFL fans can be when we circle our wagons.
 
2012-12-03 04:20:15 AM  

UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.


you may as well say everyone isn't a murderer until their life hits a bump.
 
2012-12-03 04:22:06 AM  

UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.


It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.
 
2012-12-03 04:22:28 AM  

mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes. (The 80,000 number is from the Department of Justice, the 2.5 million from an independent study.) They certainly prevent more crimes than they take lives.

A quick and easy debunking of this 2.5 million number:

Link


Let me get this straight. You're using a relatively anonymous poster, who seems to be unaware that DGU's are rarely reported, on some forum to debunk the study?
 
2012-12-03 04:22:53 AM  

mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes.

Are you SERIOUSLY going to use a disparity that large as fact?


Yes, because that disparity is not from a single study. If it was then I would see your point. I was just offering two different set of statistics on the subject. Feel free to take either one, because both are still greater than the number of murders each year. Heck, take the Department of Justice number, halve it, and it is still greater than the number of murders committed in this country each year.
 
2012-12-03 04:23:51 AM  

mediablitz: Frank N Stein: I live in Chicago, one of the most gun-violent cities in America. For 30 years there was a handgun ban, and gun crime continued to rise. Recently, handgun bans were found unconstitutional, therefore the city had to allow them, although the permits are very difficult to get. Murders have gone down a bit, but again Chicago is still one of the most gun violent places.

Go ahead, tell me how handgun bans are effective in stopping gun violence/murder


I live in Montana. There are very few gun limitations. Montana has one of the highest per capita gun violence rates, and suicide by gun rates in the nation.

Go ahead. Tell me how unfettered access to guns is effective in stopping gun violence?

/that's how idiotic your "argument" is


In 2010 Montana was 30th out of 51 states (DC included) in Assaults with a firearm.
It was also 38 of 51 for murders by firearm.
Japan has one of the higher suicide rates in the world even though there are virtually no firearms of any kind available in that country. The problem with suicide is not firearms, it is that people want to kill themselves.
So yeah... You need to stop trotting out this argument.

Another thing to consider is violence vs gun violence. For instance, Illinois is lower than Montana in firearm assaults per capita, but it is twice as high in violent crimes. This supports the idea that while legal handguns increases gun crimes over a total ban it greatly decreases violent crimes in general.

There is also the reporting issues that makes data gathered based on police reports somewhat invalid for inter-state comparison. One aspect is how crimes are categorized. One state may call "brandishing" felony assault with a firearm while another states calls it misdemeanor assault (firearm not mentioned). It is also much easier to get nailed with "brandishing" in states where open carry is legal than in states where it is not, so the numbers get skewed by this. Then there are areas in some larger cities where people who are assaulted with a firearm don't tend to report it, while in towns and smaller cities it is virtually always reported. Police in some cities may also discourage formal reporting of such incidents if they know there is nothing that can be done, which probably doesn't happen in places like Montana as much as in Chicago.

All that being said, the idea that guns being legal and common inherently stops or discourages violent crime isn't entire true. There is a correlation between gun legality/accessibility and decreased violent crime, but it is not a particularly strong correlation. In other words, there is enough of a correlation to say it definitely helps, not enough to explain the difference between, for instance, Chicago and Cheyenne. Those differences are based on a lot of other factors as well.
 
2012-12-03 04:24:33 AM  

libranoelrose: fugeeface: this should be good

/fark you Costas

You'd be surprised how civil us NFL fans can be when we circle our wagons.


I understand some European football fans riot and set things on fire when their team looses........or wins................or shows up.
 
2012-12-03 04:24:40 AM  

libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.


Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.
 
2012-12-03 04:24:54 AM  

libranoelrose: mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes.

Are you SERIOUSLY going to use a disparity that large as fact?

Stop getting quite so worked up, he's trolling.


Nope. Not trolling.
 
2012-12-03 04:28:08 AM  

libranoelrose: It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.


I can't. please explain it to me.

My life has had plenty of "bumps", so has most of the people I know. Yet I've never gunned someone down, and neither has anyone else I know. From my point of view murder/suicides are a rare thing, despite life generally sucking.

so what am I missing?
 
2012-12-03 04:28:16 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.


So you think Javon Belcher, if he were to have honestly evaluated himself, would have said, "I'm actually an irresponsible gun owner, and if things ever get out of control in my life, there's a pretty good possibility I'm going to murder my girlfriend and then turn the gun on myself"?

No, of course he thought he was a responsible gun owner.
 
2012-12-03 04:28:58 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.


I don't believe any of it. My life has hit lots of bumps, but I don't own a gun......so i guess, BULLY for me.
 
2012-12-03 04:30:49 AM  
Well, gun nuts creep me the fook out.
 
2012-12-03 04:31:05 AM  

thegod082: Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.

So you think Javon Belcher, if he were to have honestly evaluated himself, would have said, "I'm actually an irresponsible gun owner, and if things ever get out of control in my life, there's a pretty good possibility I'm going to murder my girlfriend and then turn the gun on myself"?

No, of course he thought he was a responsible gun owner.


Seriously?

Let me point out the two key words here... "everyone" and "Javon Belcher".

Try again...
 
2012-12-03 04:31:10 AM  

thegod082: Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.

So you think Javon Belcher, if he were to have honestly evaluated himself, would have said, "I'm actually an irresponsible gun owner, and if things ever get out of control in my life, there's a pretty good possibility I'm going to murder my girlfriend and then turn the gun on myself"?

No, of course he thought he was a responsible gun owner.


Maybe just maybe he was bat shait crazy all along. You can never ever really know what another person is thinking.
 
2012-12-03 04:31:11 AM  

thegod082: Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.

So you think Javon Belcher, if he were to have honestly evaluated himself, would have said, "I'm actually an irresponsible gun owner, and if things ever get out of control in my life, there's a pretty good possibility I'm going to murder my girlfriend and then turn the gun on myself"?

No, of course he thought he was a responsible gun owner.


I think Javon Belcher, if he were to have honestly evaluated himself, would have said "I need to see a farking shrink before I hurt her and myself"
 
2012-12-03 04:33:07 AM  

thegod082: LaughingRadish: That squall you refer to is the concept of not giving an inch. Those who'd rather keep their rights are well-aware of when concessions are made in the direction of eliminating or restricting rights. It's very difficult to get them back again.

I agree that it would be very difficult to get those rights back again, because future generations would be saying, "Why the fark would we go back to the old ways? Clearly, those people were doing something stupid." Sort of like how there isn't much of a serious push to bring back slavery.


The argument of "why the fark would be go back to the old ways" is very commonly used by tyrants to squelch dissent. Read "Animal Farm" sometime. It's full of that sort of thing.

"When a tyrant first appears he always comes as your protector." -- Plato
 
2012-12-03 04:33:53 AM  

log_jammin: thegod082: Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.

So you think Javon Belcher, if he were to have honestly evaluated himself, would have said, "I'm actually an irresponsible gun owner, and if things ever get out of control in my life, there's a pretty good possibility I'm going to murder my girlfriend and then turn the gun on myself"?

No, of course he thought he was a responsible gun owner.

I think Javon Belcher, if he were to have honestly evaluated himself, would have said "I need to see a farking shrink before I hurt her and myself"


Well now maybe he'll get a Darwin award, although, he did already reproduce.
 
2012-12-03 04:33:59 AM  

BlousyBrown: Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.

I don't believe any of it. My life has hit lots of bumps, but I don't own a gun......so i guess, BULLY for me.


No gun? Uhhh... you should get one. What are you going to do when a bear knocks down your door?
 
2012-12-03 04:36:17 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: BlousyBrown: Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.

I don't believe any of it. My life has hit lots of bumps, but I don't own a gun......so i guess, BULLY for me.

No gun? Uhhh... you should get one. What are you going to do when a bear knocks down your door?


I specifically asked to live in a bear free zone. Someone is gonna have some splainin to do if that shait happens.
Oh wait someone's at the door........
 
2012-12-03 04:38:32 AM  

mediablitz: libranoelrose: mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes.

Are you SERIOUSLY going to use a disparity that large as fact?

Stop getting quite so worked up, he's trolling.

That 2.5 million number is all over right wing sites. Not worked up at all. If he is trolling, so is 76% of the right wing.

Wait...


The reason I included it is because it is cited so many times by so many gun advocates. Note, though, that it was not the only number I put out there. I personally do not believe the number from the Kleck study but even the lower number from the Department of Justice is far greater than the number of murders committed each year in this country.
 
2012-12-03 04:38:36 AM  

BlousyBrown: libranoelrose: fugeeface: this should be good

/fark you Costas

You'd be surprised how civil us NFL fans can be when we circle our wagons.

I understand some European football fans riot and set things on fire when their team looses........or wins................or shows up.


I'd be surprised if this thread lasts long enough to get the soccer hooligans here, but good on ya for the effort.

Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.


I think we might have hit a bump here.

I wasn't meaning to say that responsible citizens shouldn't be able to own weapons.

I was agreeing with UtlimaCS that it's easy to use that weapon responsibly until the human condition takes over.

Mock26: libranoelrose: mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes.

Are you SERIOUSLY going to use a disparity that large as fact?

Stop getting quite so worked up, he's trolling.

Nope. Not trolling.


I know you like to troll, that huge disparity in the amount of times guns are used to stop a crime proves it.

Silly goose.

log_jammin: so what am I missing?


There's a reason people don't just have a button installed on them that you can press to end their life.
 
2012-12-03 04:39:26 AM  

BlousyBrown: Pray 4 Mojo: BlousyBrown: Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.

I don't believe any of it. My life has hit lots of bumps, but I don't own a gun......so i guess, BULLY for me.

No gun? Uhhh... you should get one. What are you going to do when a bear knocks down your door?

I specifically asked to live in a bear free zone. Someone is gonna have some splainin to do if that shait happens.
Oh wait someone's at the door........


I guess this shiat really works huh?

newsgrift.com
 
2012-12-03 04:40:02 AM  

carnifex2005: Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.

People need cars, people don't need handguns as every other Western nation in the world already knows.


Then move away, asshole.
 
2012-12-03 04:43:47 AM  

libranoelrose: Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: UltimaCS: Pray 4 Mojo: What I do have an issue with is those laws being used to keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens

Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump.

It's amazing how people can't comprehend this.

Not as amazing as it is that people believe it.

I think we might have hit a bump here.

I wasn't meaning to say that responsible citizens shouldn't be able to own weapons.

I was agreeing with UtlimaCS that it's easy to use that weapon responsibly until the human condition takes over.


Problem is... that's not what he or she said.

There are plenty of things in every home that will quickly and easily kill a person... yet... we all don't get all murdery when life throws us a curve.
 
2012-12-03 04:43:53 AM  

mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes. (The 80,000 number is from the Department of Justice, the 2.5 million from an independent study.) They certainly prevent more crimes than they take lives.

A quick and easy debunking of this 2.5 million number:

Link


Guns in America: National Survey on
Private Ownership and Use of Firearms

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
National Institute of Justice

See Page 8 for numbers on defensive gun use, including comparisons to the Kleck report.
 
2012-12-03 04:44:30 AM  

libranoelrose: There's a reason people don't just have a button installed on them that you can press to end their life.


that reason is, because we are not machines. But that is not an answer to my question.

"Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump." is obviously not true since the vast majority of gun owners don't kill themselves or others when their life hits a bump, and murder suicides are a very rare event. yes? no? why or why not?
 
2012-12-03 04:44:51 AM  

stirfrybry: carnifex2005: Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.

People need cars, people don't need handguns as every other Western nation in the world already knows.

Then move away, asshole.


Here's an example of humans being humans becoming belligerent and hostile. What is wrong with you? Lighten up
no one is taking your car or your gun.
 
2012-12-03 04:45:25 AM  

mediablitz: Frank N Stein: puffy999: So, whether or not I agree with Costas, I'd say this was as good as any time to bring this up.

Alright then. Why did he blame the gun? Christ Benoit proved that a roided up strongman needs no weapons to kill his wife and himself. Why not address the issue of concussion-causing brain damage rampant in the NFL? Why not the media's, including NBC's, role in perpetuating and glorifying the "gun culture"? Why take the simpleton's route of blaming the gun for the action of the man?

It's been brought up. Now defend it.

I can see the spittle flying out of your mouth.


translation: I got nothin
 
2012-12-03 04:46:39 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: There are plenty of things in every home that will quickly and easily kill a person.


Stop it.

I don't take you for someone that will argue semantics about how easy it is to kill someone with a gun as opposed to any other household weapon.

Don't be that guy.
 
2012-12-03 04:49:17 AM  

libranoelrose: Mock26: libranoelrose: mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes.

Are you SERIOUSLY going to use a disparity that large as fact?

Stop getting quite so worked up, he's trolling.

Nope. Not trolling.

I know you like to troll, that huge disparity in the amount of times guns are used to stop a crime proves it.

Silly goose.


If that disparity was from a single study, then you might be right. But it is not from a single study. As I said to another poster, take either number, either the one from the Department of Justice or the one from the Kleck report. Either number is greater than the number of murders committed in this country each year. Hell, divide each number in half and they are each still greater than the number of murders committed each year.
 
2012-12-03 04:51:09 AM  

BlousyBrown: Lighten up no one is taking your car or your gun.


While ownership is technically still legal in California... it's petty much illegal to use them in most cities.

that's the problem.

/interactions with PD's in California get VERY scary when the citizen is carrying.
//and that's really not necessary
 
2012-12-03 04:53:02 AM  

log_jammin: libranoelrose: There's a reason people don't just have a button installed on them that you can press to end their life.

that reason is, because we are not machines. But that is not an answer to my question.

"Everyone's a good, responsible gun owner until their life hits a bump." is obviously not true since the vast majority of gun owners don't kill themselves or others when their life hits a bump, and murder suicides are a very rare event. yes? no? why or why not?


I do believe that murder suicide events are rare compared to the circus.
 
2012-12-03 04:54:09 AM  

mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes. (The 80,000 number is from the Department of Justice, the 2.5 million from an independent study.) They certainly prevent more crimes than they take lives.

A quick and easy debunking of this 2.5 million number:

Link


Also, I would like to point out that the guy who you linked to does not offer up a single shred of evidence when he "debunks" the numbers from the Kleck report. Whether or not you agree with Kleck's numbers (and by the way, I do not), he at least has data to support them. The guy you linked to has none.
 
2012-12-03 04:54:18 AM  
Noon'e posted this yet? Im shocked.

images2.dailykos.com
 
2012-12-03 04:57:09 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: BlousyBrown: Lighten up no one is taking your car or your gun.

While ownership is technically still legal in California... it's petty much illegal to use them in most cities.

that's the problem.

/interactions with PD's in California get VERY scary when the citizen is carrying.
//and that's really not necessary


I'd say interactions with PDs in the US is freakin scary, irrespective of whether the pd is californian or arizonan or oregonian or ohioan or whereever. American cops are scary, stupid, well armed, protect one another to ridiculous extremes and see the world in terms of Cops and Perps.
 
2012-12-03 04:59:36 AM  

libranoelrose: I do believe that murder suicide events are rare compared to the circus.


...ok....
 
2012-12-03 05:00:51 AM  

libranoelrose: Pray 4 Mojo: There are plenty of things in every home that will quickly and easily kill a person.

Stop it.

I don't take you for someone that will argue semantics about how easy it is to kill someone with a gun as opposed to any other household weapon.

Don't be that guy.


Don't tell me which guy to be!

Look... it's not a semantic argument. Is a big-ass butcher knife the same as a gun? No. I'm not saying it is. The point is that "responsible gun owners"... in fact as it was said "every" responsible gun owner will not get all murdery just 'cause their life its a bump.

The gun provides an easier option if one chooses to get murdery... that's it.

Case in point... I would guess that if Belche didn't have a gun... the only life that would have been saved is his. A massive, strong and athletic human male got really, really pissed off and shot his girlfriend... I don't think it's a stretch to think that he would have just beaten, stabbed, strangled her if he had no gun.
 
2012-12-03 05:04:49 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: libranoelrose: Pray 4 Mojo: There are plenty of things in every home that will quickly and easily kill a person.

Stop it.

I don't take you for someone that will argue semantics about how easy it is to kill someone with a gun as opposed to any other household weapon.

Don't be that guy.

Don't tell me which guy to be!

Look... it's not a semantic argument. Is a big-ass butcher knife the same as a gun? No. I'm not saying it is. The point is that "responsible gun owners"... in fact as it was said "every" responsible gun owner will not get all murdery just 'cause their life its a bump.

The gun provides an easier option if one chooses to get murdery... that's it.

Case in point... I would guess that if Belche didn't have a gun... the only life that would have been saved is his. A massive, strong and athletic human male got really, really pissed off and shot his girlfriend... I don't think it's a stretch to think that he would have just beaten, stabbed, strangled her if he had no gun.


I'm sorry, little confused. I have never understood the expression "don't be that guy"

Who is that guy? Is he bad? Is there more than one "that guy". I submit that there would have to be more than one.
 
2012-12-03 05:05:27 AM  

Mock26: mediablitz: Mock26: Depending on the statistics you look at, guns are used 80,000 to 2,500,000 times per year to stop crimes. (The 80,000 number is from the Department of Justice, the 2.5 million from an independent study.) They certainly prevent more crimes than they take lives.

A quick and easy debunking of this 2.5 million number:

Link

Guns in America: National Survey on
Private Ownership and Use of Firearms
U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
National Institute of Justice

See Page 8 for numbers on defensive gun use, including comparisons to the Kleck report.


Both of those links debunk 2.5 million DGUs quite nicely and explain the origin of the myth/talking point. While no one can dispute firearms can dissuade crime, it is a silly position to take to that it counterpoints the documented crimes committed with firearms. That's like comparing dog bites to puppy cuddles and weighting them equally.

Not to mention how many of those DGUs were people pulling guns on people who pulled a gun on them, that never makes it to the statistics.
 
2012-12-03 05:06:14 AM  

log_jammin: libranoelrose: I do believe that murder suicide events are rare compared to the circus.

...ok....


I'm glad you agree.

It's ridiculous how often we have to get into gun ownership threads on Fark when the original subject sometimes isn't about that.

It's like somehow there was a comment by a commentator who pulled the "I don't always agree with this guy who is from the same town as where this tragedy, but now I do.", turned into a gun rights thread.

This is a circus now.
 
2012-12-03 05:07:51 AM  
Probably the loudest, whiniest group of entitled-feeling white men in America - and that's saying something. I can think of no group who has less to biatch anout than gun owners = and yet their paranoid, self-martyring wailing shakes the rafters.
What a bunch of sissy-assed, no balls little girls.

And yes, I own guns - have all my life. I'm just sick of the whining - it's embarrassing.
 
2012-12-03 05:08:43 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Case in point... I would guess that if Belche didn't have a gun... the only life that would have been saved is his. A massive, strong and athletic human male got really, really pissed off and shot his girlfriend... I don't think it's a stretch to think that he would have just beaten, stabbed, strangled her if he had no gun.


Yeah, but it didn't happen that way.

He shot her right in front of his mom, who was holding their baby.

If he didn't have a gun I doubt the beating would have gotten any further than him raising his fist and then his mom slapping him in the face.
 
2012-12-03 05:09:14 AM  

libranoelrose: It's like somehow there was a comment by a commentator who pulled the "I don't always agree with this guy who is from the same town as where this tragedy, but now I do.", turned into a gun rights thread.


In fairness the "guy who is from the same town as where this tragedy" is Jason Whitlock. and the dude is a troll. He knew this would blow up and get him page views. Guys been doing crap like ths for years.
 
2012-12-03 05:10:22 AM  

BlousyBrown: I have never understood the expression "don't be that guy"


You're being that guy.
 
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