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2012-12-03 03:08:04 AM
i guess if it was going to be a violent death for her, a gun was better. i know this sounds crass, but i can't see how not having a gun would have prevented this tragedy.
He obviously was intent on ending her life and his own. There are so many other ways to do that.
i feel horrible for the families of both the deceased. They get to experience first hand, the calamity that is murder/suicide.

/Not a gun owner.
//Not a believer in 'no-one-should-have-guns', either.
///i have to believe she died faster than from knife wounds. Or poison.
//What he did was shocking.
/And very sad.
 
2012-12-03 03:08:11 AM

Frank N Stein: mediablitz: This tired fallacy is a staple of those unwilling to discuss rampant gun violence in the United States.

I live in Chicago, one of the most gun-violent cities in America. For 30 years there was a handgun ban, and gun crime continued to rise. Recently, handgun bans were found unconstitutional, therefore the city had to allow them, although the permits are very difficult to get. Murders have gone down a bit, but again Chicago is still one of the most gun violent places.

Go ahead, tell me how handgun bans are effective in stopping gun violence/murder


DC is similar. And NYC. Generally, the more liberal a city = the more violent the crime statistics.
 
2012-12-03 03:08:16 AM

Frank N Stein: mediablitz: This tired fallacy is a staple of those unwilling to discuss rampant gun violence in the United States.

I live in Chicago, one of the most gun-violent cities in America. For 30 years there was a handgun ban, and gun crime continued to rise. Recently, handgun bans were found unconstitutional, therefore the city had to allow them, although the permits are very difficult to get. Murders have gone down a bit, but again Chicago is still one of the most gun violent places.

Go ahead, tell me how handgun bans are effective in stopping gun violence/murder


Are you more scared of black people or Hispanics?
 
2012-12-03 03:08:23 AM

Frank N Stein: mediablitz: This tired fallacy is a staple of those unwilling to discuss rampant gun violence in the United States.

I live in Chicago, one of the most gun-violent cities in America. For 30 years there was a handgun ban, and gun crime continued to rise. Recently, handgun bans were found unconstitutional, therefore the city had to allow them, although the permits are very difficult to get. Murders have gone down a bit, but again Chicago is still one of the most gun violent places.

Go ahead, tell me how handgun bans are effective in stopping gun violence/murder


When did I mention handgun bans?

And why are you so over the top angry that anyone even WANTS to discuss the problem of rampant gun violence in the United States?
 
2012-12-03 03:08:31 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.


No one has mentioned our zombie culture...
I'm sure tens of people die every year...WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE ZOMBIES???
 
2012-12-03 03:08:47 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Guns are for pussy-asses bed-wetters acared of their own shadows, nevermind dark people


Says the guy that lives in place that where an ID is required to purchase a butter knife.
 
2012-12-03 03:09:59 AM

Frank N Stein: I live in Chicago, one of the most gun-violent cities in America. For 30 years there was a handgun ban, and gun crime continued to rise. Recently, handgun bans were found unconstitutional, therefore the city had to allow them, although the permits are very difficult to get. Murders have gone down a bit, but again Chicago is still one of the most gun violent places.

Go ahead, tell me how handgun bans are effective in stopping gun violence/murder



I live in Montana. There are very few gun limitations. Montana has one of the highest per capita gun violence rates, and suicide by gun rates in the nation.

Go ahead. Tell me how unfettered access to guns is effective in stopping gun violence?

/that's how idiotic your "argument" is
 
2012-12-03 03:10:04 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Are you more scared of black people or Hispanics?


Ok, so you're a troll. Congrats.
 
2012-12-03 03:10:12 AM

Poo_Fight: God-is-a-Taco: Poo_Fight: Hey Blob Cutlas, When I want your opinion on weighty matters, I'll TELL you what they are.
Either way, go fark yourself you pompous puffed up talking head.

/Costas, the fact that Nicole Brown Simpson was unarmed certainly helped her survive the attack from a kitchen knife, didn't it?


lol. Costas has gained a lot of respect from me. Anything that angers fratboys is good for the world.

Frat boys? I'm 49. You ignorant prick.


Well, I suppose I was too hopeful. You only have the maturity and composure of a frat boy.
21 years older me and you act like you're 21 years younger.
Take a deep breath and realize that the large Africans will be chasing after the ball again really soon in the future, there's nothing to fear.
 
2012-12-03 03:12:33 AM

Nemo's Brother: Gun ownership in Canada is similar to that of the US.


*Spits out water* Are you serious? Maybe, maybe in the hunting community or in rural settings (I come from a line of farmers, so no this isn't a city vs country thing).

Of the people I know there are maybe 1 or 2 people that own a handgun (which they have to store at a range to use). And another... 10-15% that are hunters or farmers that have a couple of rifles/shotguns around.

When you consider how many people own handguns for defence in the states (not even getting into those who carry all the time), it's not even close. There are way more guns per capita south of the 49th parallel!
 
2012-12-03 03:13:58 AM

Frank N Stein: HaywoodJablonski: Are you more scared of black people or Hispanics?

Ok, so you're a troll. Congrats.


Answer the question.

Alternatively, please convince me why you need a handgun
 
2012-12-03 03:14:36 AM

naptapper: thegod082: naptapper: Oh, OK - so it's fine with you if anyone spouts off anything as long as it's not actually during the game. Hmm. So if someone who is deeply religious, say Tim Tebow for example, got on a halftime show and told people how they were going to Hell, that would be OK with you?

It's all about the time and place. I don't want to be preached to by anyone when I'm watching a farking pastime.


Addressing your first point, didn't Tebow appear in an anti-abortion commercial that aired during the Super Bowl, which is a much bigger deal than a midseason Sunday Night Football game? And no, although I don't agree with his views, I managed not to lose my mind over it.

Second, and I believe it's very possible that you are a bright, informed person, I think there are many Americans who may not be as socially aware as you are. After 9 consecutive hours of football-watching, I think it's fine that Costas has five minutes to talk to a large number of Americans about real American issues that transcend, "Bill Belichick: Evil Guy Because He's Mean in Press Conferences and Taped Football Players Practicing" or "Why Isn't Tebow Starting? Jets Suck lol."
 
2012-12-03 03:14:49 AM

mediablitz: I live in Montana. There are very few gun limitations. Montana has one of the highest per capita gun violence rates, and suicide by gun rates in the nation.

Go ahead. Tell me how unfettered access to guns is effective in stopping gun violence?

/that's how idiotic your "argument" is


By "one of the highest per capita gun violence rates" you mean 30th in the nation Link?
 
2012-12-03 03:15:27 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.


Regardless of your position on gun control, this is an idiotic analogy. I hope you can figure out why.
 
2012-12-03 03:19:09 AM
"Gun culture" is derived largely from the video games and movies that advertise during football and pay Costas's salary. Also some of the shows on his network. Culture comes from media. But I doubt we'll hear much bed wetting about restricting the first amendment.
 
2012-12-03 03:19:22 AM

mediablitz: Go ahead. Tell me how unfettered access to guns is effective in stopping gun violence?


Switzerland?
 
2012-12-03 03:19:35 AM
Gun huh?

Hadn't thought about that... better write it down.
www.cardboardconnection.com
 
2012-12-03 03:19:38 AM

XplodedSynapses: He obviously was intent on ending her life and his own.


You don't know much about this story, then.
 
2012-12-03 03:19:59 AM

Frank N Stein: you are a puppet: You didn't ask me any questions. And whatever your questions are, you aren't entitled to any answers until you can better explain what NBC's agenda is and who is behind it.

Their agenda is an anti-gun one, apparently. I don't know who's behind it, but I'm willing to bet the speech was vetted and approved by the company he works for.

And yes, I did ask you for citation or rationale to your claim that every other western nation knows that people do not need handguns.


You never asked me that, and I never claimed that. If you've noticed there is a username that appears at the beginning of posts; only the posts that correspond to my username are the ones written by me. Also there's no shadowy corporation behind my posts, and my posts don't necessarily reflect the opinions of any other posters. Let me know if you're still not following.
 
2012-12-03 03:20:41 AM
I'm planning on going out and buying myself some SWAT-grade armor, a Stinger missile launcher, and a bunch of Uzis with radioactive bullets when I get home from work. That seems to be the best way to protect myself at this point with everyone going gonzo for guns lately.
 
2012-12-03 03:21:22 AM

you are a puppet: Frank N Stein: you are a puppet: You didn't ask me any questions. And whatever your questions are, you aren't entitled to any answers until you can better explain what NBC's agenda is and who is behind it.

Their agenda is an anti-gun one, apparently. I don't know who's behind it, but I'm willing to bet the speech was vetted and approved by the company he works for.

And yes, I did ask you for citation or rationale to your claim that every other western nation knows that people do not need handguns.

You never asked me that, and I never claimed that. If you've noticed there is a username that appears at the beginning of posts; only the posts that correspond to my username are the ones written by me. Also there's no shadowy corporation behind my posts, and my posts don't necessarily reflect the opinions of any other posters. Let me know if you're still not following.


Oh wow. I didn't even notice that the person I quoted wasn't you. Sorry about that.
 
2012-12-03 03:22:08 AM

Serious Black: radioactive bullets


Enjoy your cancer.
 
2012-12-03 03:22:13 AM

Blame Hofmann: Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.

Regardless of your position on gun control, this is an idiotic analogy. I hope you can figure out why.


Yes I can.

/That was the point.
//A dopey analogy for a dopey assertion.
 
2012-12-03 03:22:23 AM
I was listening to him present that quote on air, and was blown away by the conclusion. I really wonder how it would be recieved if he emphasized the idea that sports promote violence in our violent culture.

"I truely believe that if he was not a professional football player, both of them would still be alive today."
 
2012-12-03 03:24:52 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Blame Hofmann: Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.

Regardless of your position on gun control, this is an idiotic analogy. I hope you can figure out why.

Yes I can.

/That was the point.
//A dopey analogy for a dopey assertion.


Nope, you didn't figure it out.
 
2012-12-03 03:26:34 AM

Frank N Stein: mediablitz: This tired fallacy is a staple of those unwilling to discuss rampant gun violence in the United States.

I live in Chicago, one of the most gun-violent cities in America. For 30 years there was a handgun ban, and gun crime continued to rise. Recently, handgun bans were found unconstitutional, therefore the city had to allow them, although the permits are very difficult to get. Murders have gone down a bit, but again Chicago is still one of the most gun violent places.

Go ahead, tell me how handgun bans are effective in stopping gun violence/murder


Evidence like that, as well as evidence of areas with relatively high rates of gun ownership and low rates of gun violence show that a lot (or most) gun violence in the US is ultimately a product of people living in poor socioeconomic conditions, and that it's simplistic to think that gun bans or high rates of gun ownership, in themselves, will make an area far less or more dangerous.

BUT, preventing unstable or dangerous people from obtaining handguns cannot be unreasonable, whatever sort of culture they come from. So there has to be some amount of gun ownership restriction, although I wouldn't know what that amount is.
 
2012-12-03 03:26:40 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Smart, reasonable restrictions on gun access and ownership isn't at odds with the spirit of the 2nd Amendment.


Smart, reasonable restrictions on gun access would not have prevented this tragedy from happening. Belcher was an American success story, right up until the time he murdered his girlfriend.

Costas was way out of line with that act.
 
2012-12-03 03:26:45 AM

mediablitz: Poo_Fight: /Costas, the fact that Nicole Brown Simpson was unarmed certainly helped her survive the attack from a kitchen knife, didn't it?

Look! The same red herring!

Yep. Someone died from something other than gun violence, so that means there is no reason at all to discuss rampant gun violence in the United States.

Same old tired fallacy. You managed to combine it with ad homs and a whole lot of angry projection.

Congrats.


What fallacy is there in the argument that that a woman who is armed, trained, and mentally prepared is better able to defend herself against a murderer or rapist than a woman who is unarmed?
This is an entirely valid argument in favor of legal ownership of handguns, of the idea that women should be encouraged to be prepared to defend themselves, and that concealed carry permits should be reasonably available to those who desire them in all states of our nation.

Not only that, but you are the one throwing out the red herring, since that is literally all your post consists of. You are not arguing anything and are instead distracting everyone from the core issue with a red herring.
 
2012-12-03 03:27:02 AM

Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.


Lots of people needlessly die due to our car culture.
Lots of people needlessly die due to our smoking culture.
Lots of people needlessly die due to our fast food culture.
Lots of people needlessly die due to our drinking culture.
etc.
 
2012-12-03 03:28:07 AM

Blame Hofmann: Frank N Stein: mediablitz: This tired fallacy is a staple of those unwilling to discuss rampant gun violence in the United States.

I live in Chicago, one of the most gun-violent cities in America. For 30 years there was a handgun ban, and gun crime continued to rise. Recently, handgun bans were found unconstitutional, therefore the city had to allow them, although the permits are very difficult to get. Murders have gone down a bit, but again Chicago is still one of the most gun violent places.

Go ahead, tell me how handgun bans are effective in stopping gun violence/murder

Evidence like that, as well as evidence of areas with relatively high rates of gun ownership and low rates of gun violence show that a lot (or most) gun violence in the US is ultimately a product of people living in poor socioeconomic conditions, and that it's simplistic to think that gun bans or high rates of gun ownership, in themselves, will make an area far less or more dangerous.

BUT, preventing unstable or dangerous people from obtaining handguns cannot be unreasonable, whatever sort of culture they come from. So there has to be some amount of gun ownership restriction, although I wouldn't know what that amount is.


I agree. The system we have now, in which people with mental or psychological disorders are prevented from legally owning a firearm, would work much better if we had a mental health system worth a damn in this country.
 
2012-12-03 03:28:32 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: There's a time and a place... this was neither.

Classy Bob... classy.


The time and place to discuss the reality of a possible epidemic of firearms enabled violence must be when and where nobody is looking.
 
2012-12-03 03:29:23 AM

Triumph: "Gun culture" is derived largely from the video games and movies that advertise during football and pay Costas's salary. Also some of the shows on his network. Culture comes from media. But I doubt we'll hear much bed wetting about restricting the first amendment.


i am afraid 'Gun Culture' is a misnomer.
We live in dire times and guns aren't the only way to die.
Do we derisively attack each other debating whether guns are the culprits of our social anxieties? Or do we address that there are problems in society that far outweigh whether a person owns a gun or not?
i know many people who own guns. They're pretty sound individuals i don't have an issue being around.
i have a hard time believing it's guns that make people kill others. i am fairly sure it's the inappropriate ideas in the minds of those who would kill another that causes murder (self murder also).

/Not a philosopher
//Just an observer
 
2012-12-03 03:29:31 AM

Serious Black: I'm planning on going out and buying myself some SWAT-grade armor, a Stinger missile launcher, and a bunch of Uzis with radioactive bullets when I get home from work. That seems to be the best way to protect myself at this point with everyone going gonzo for guns lately.


Pussy. I'm getting a nuke. MAD, FTW!
 
2012-12-03 03:30:05 AM

libranoelrose: XplodedSynapses: He obviously was intent on ending her life and his own.

You don't know much about this story, then.


i must not. i read what i could find on the 'nets. Have i missed something?
 
2012-12-03 03:30:38 AM
If I were truly sure I was in the right when I defended gun culture, unlimited gun rights, etc., I wouldn't go yelping like a scalded dog every time someone suggests we might want to enact a law or two to dial that culture back a notch.
Instead, I would quietly say "Fark you, enact what you want, I'M the one with the guns."

Those who squawl like 5-year-olds deprived of a toy are telling me that deep down inside, they know their position is indefensible. The sad thing is, they're convinced someone is about to actually do away with the entire 2nd Amendment. Shallow-minded extremism, that is. No wonder they don't want a gun control debate; such a conversation would require nuanced thought.

By the way, I'm fine with a gun or two around the home, office, whatever, for personal defense. I think that's what the 2nd Amendment endorses. There are bad guys out there. (I'd have one myself, but I don't like loud noises.) (Or death.) Unfortunately, there's no law that could have prevented what happened to the Chiefs player. That was a mental thing.
 
2012-12-03 03:30:58 AM

Frank N Stein: Serious Black: radioactive bullets

Enjoy your cancer.


I was unaware that just having depleted uranium ammunition in my house could give me cancer. I figured the risk would be more to the person whom I shot with them.
 
2012-12-03 03:31:24 AM

carnifex2005: Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.

People need cars, people don't need handguns as every other Western nation in the world already knows.


OK, fine. People need cars. We do not need alcohol. And more people die from alcohol related problems than they do from guns. So are you not advocating the prohibition of alcohol? Hmmm?
 
2012-12-03 03:32:08 AM
tell me again why we are talking about what a sports caster think about gun control? oh that's right. it's because he's on TV.
 
2012-12-03 03:32:18 AM

Frank N Stein: you are a puppet: You didn't ask me any questions. And whatever your questions are, you aren't entitled to any answers until you can better explain what NBC's agenda is and who is behind it.

Their agenda is an anti-gun one, apparently. I don't know who's behind it, but I'm willing to bet the speech was vetted and approved by the company he works for.

And yes, I did ask you for citation or rationale to your claim that every other western nation knows that people do not need handguns.


Wow. You say that like it's a BAD thing.

I thought corporations were people too, and had "human" rights and everything??
 
2012-12-03 03:32:23 AM

Rent Party: AverageAmericanGuy:
Smart, reasonable restrictions on gun access would not have prevented this tragedy from happening. Belcher was an American success story, right up until the time he murdered his girlfriend.


I've talked to some people in the know and they seem confident Farter will realize the dream that Belcher failed to reach.
 
2012-12-03 03:32:36 AM

XplodedSynapses: libranoelrose: XplodedSynapses: He obviously was intent on ending her life and his own.

You don't know much about this story, then.

i must not. i read what i could find on the 'nets. Have i missed something?


She came home late from a concert. He'd been suspecting her of cheating. It was a crime of passion.
 
2012-12-03 03:33:26 AM
 
2012-12-03 03:34:51 AM

Mock26: People need cars, people don't need handguns as every other Western nation in the world already knows.

OK, fine. People need cars. We do not need alcohol. And more people die from alcohol related problems than they do from guns. So are you not advocating the prohibition of alcohol? Hmmm?


You can murder someone with alcohol?
 
2012-12-03 03:36:54 AM

Frank N Stein: mediablitz: I live in Montana. There are very few gun limitations. Montana has one of the highest per capita gun violence rates, and suicide by gun rates in the nation.

Go ahead. Tell me how unfettered access to guns is effective in stopping gun violence?

/that's how idiotic your "argument" is

By "one of the highest per capita gun violence rates" you mean 30th in the nation Link?


They do have the highest per capita rate of suicide, and the majority of those (also a nation leading percentage) are by firearm.
 
2012-12-03 03:36:57 AM

fusillade762: Mock26: People need cars, people don't need handguns as every other Western nation in the world already knows.

OK, fine. People need cars. We do not need alcohol. And more people die from alcohol related problems than they do from guns. So are you not advocating the prohibition of alcohol? Hmmm?

You can murder someone with alcohol?


Fast food, too, apparently.
 
2012-12-03 03:37:11 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Harry_Seldon: Bob Costa's was quoting a local journalist and nothing he said is wrong.

Lots of people needlessly die due to our gun culture. This seems to be an acceptable cost of business as usual in America.

Lots of people also die needlessly due to our car culture...

so... let's get rid of those too.


How much are you paying a month in gun insurance and where did you take your gun test.

Look, I'm a firearms owner o.k. but your comparison is the kind of farktard ammunition people who are absolutely against firearms ownership use as an example of everyone who owns a gun. It's poorly thought out rationalizations like those that make us all look as stupid as you. The NRA currently wants people to believe that any sort of legislation and registration and mandatory training (all of which would actually make them somewhat like cars) would somehow lead to the end of western liberty and civilization.

This is the same group that used Charlton Heston, when he was suffering from dementia and forgot that he once loudly stood for registration and sensible gun laws, as a spokesman.

So go back to your cellar and polish your Taurus and Kel-Tec collection and STFU.
 
2012-12-03 03:37:44 AM

fusillade762: Mock26: People need cars, people don't need handguns as every other Western nation in the world already knows.

OK, fine. People need cars. We do not need alcohol. And more people die from alcohol related problems than they do from guns. So are you not advocating the prohibition of alcohol? Hmmm?

You can murder someone with alcohol?


My ex wife drove me to drink. So yes.
 
2012-12-03 03:37:53 AM
All guns should be banned except for fully automatic rifles with armor piercing rounds.

But really, regardless of your gun politics, this was a bad example to use. A dude killing his girlfriend and then himself didn't even require a gun. It was just faster, I guess. A better example to use would be school shootings, or really any time a killer takes out a large number of people.
 
2012-12-03 03:37:54 AM

logruszed: Pray 4 Mojo: There's a time and a place... this was neither.

Classy Bob... classy.

The time and place to discuss the reality of a possible epidemic of firearms enabled violence must be when and where nobody is looking.


The time and place is when there can be a discussion...

Not when one person is giving me his unsolicited and unquestioned opinion during an entertainment/sporting event... and taking advantage of a personal family tragedy to ply his unsolicited opinion.
 
2012-12-03 03:38:33 AM

Metalithic: ElwoodCuse: SumDumGit: And which political party that you don't like gets to say what those restrictions are?

The Supreme Court does, and even Scalia thinks there can and should be restrictions. Just not "absolute personal ownership" bans, like what was overturned in DC.

B-b-b-ut this is America! The constitution says every family needs at least one fully automatic machine pistol, just for huntin'!

/Or so I've heard.
//But switchblades and brass knuckles are illegal in most states, because, you know, they're like dangerous!



Keep banning stuff that kills people, don't fix the stupidity that caused it in the first place
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