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(IMDB)   Will Nucky take back Atlantic City? Will Gyp die in some horrible choking-farking incident? Will Harrow just kill everything that moves? Does anyone want Gillian to live through this? This is your Boardwalk Empire season finale thread (9 PM EST, HBO)   (imdb.com) divider line 77
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2012-12-03 08:50:59 AM
Spoilerific interview with Terrence Winter that reveals the fates of several players (Eddie !) and hints about what's coming for next season.
 
2012-12-03 08:56:12 AM

Pandora's Litterbox: I suspect next season will be verrrry interesting with the ramifications of the double-crosses from this season and Nucky's full descent into Gangsterism (as symbolized by his discarding of the flower.)


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I don't know that AR connects Nucky to the bust, or that either AR or Masseria are significantly setback by the happenings. AR never goes to jail, and according to the Boardwalk empire wiki, it's 1923, so AR wont die for 5 more years. Masseria has 8 until Luciano betrays him.
 
2012-12-03 09:05:58 AM

Uptown Hipster Doofus: Spoilerific interview with Terrence Winter that reveals the fates of several players (Eddie !) and hints about what's coming for next season.


Awesome! Thanks for posting the link.
 
2012-12-03 10:00:42 AM
This was a pretty mediocre season. The whole thing was exposition to the war with Gyp. Unlike season 2, no character arcs, no development.
 
2012-12-03 10:19:14 AM

Hilarity_N_Sues: I just hope they keep Mickey Doyle around for the entire run... he provides way too much troll value based on how badly the rubes on Twitter and the like hate his guts. I seriously want the series to end with him running AC.


mickey doyle is funny as shiat. that little derby he wears... and his laugh. holy fark is he a great character.
 
2012-12-03 10:46:59 AM

thornhill: This was a pretty mediocre season. The whole thing was exposition to the war with Gyp. Unlike season 2, no character arcs, no development.


You might be the only person on earth who thinks season 2 was better than season 3. These threads are always filled with people astonished at how much better it is now that they've left that goddamn farm and stopped reusing the same three storylines over and over for a whole season (Shane is crazy, Hershel wants them off the farm, Sophia is missing/dead).
 
2012-12-03 10:47:49 AM

thornhill: This was a pretty mediocre season. The whole thing was exposition to the war with Gyp. Unlike season 2, no character arcs, no development.


Well, in all fairness, you probably have to have two brain cells to rub together to enjoy it.

They speaky all weirdy
 
2012-12-03 10:52:54 AM

Gunther: thornhill: This was a pretty mediocre season. The whole thing was exposition to the war with Gyp. Unlike season 2, no character arcs, no development.

You might be the only person on earth who thinks season 2 was better than season 3. These threads are always filled with people astonished at how much better it is now that they've left that goddamn farm and stopped reusing the same three storylines over and over for a whole season (Shane is crazy, Hershel wants them off the farm, Sophia is missing/dead).


Thinking you're in the wrong thread, dude.
 
2012-12-03 10:54:44 AM

Gunther: thornhill: This was a pretty mediocre season. The whole thing was exposition to the war with Gyp. Unlike season 2, no character arcs, no development.

You might be the only person on earth who thinks season 2 was better than season 3. These threads are always filled with people astonished at how much better it is now that they've left that goddamn farm and stopped reusing the same three storylines over and over for a whole season (Shane is crazy, Hershel wants them off the farm, Sophia is missing/dead).


Plus nothing can top the Trinity killer from two seasons back, so it has been down hill since then.

/and what about Scarecrow's brain?!?
 
2012-12-03 10:54:56 AM

Hydra: Thinking you're in the wrong thread, dude.


Oh crap, i'm an idiot.
 
j4x
2012-12-03 10:59:16 AM
We're going to need some pretty big time jumps over the next few seasons because now it's entering into kind of a dead time then things start heating up again toward the end of the 20's.
 
2012-12-03 11:03:35 AM

j4x: We're going to need some pretty big time jumps over the next few seasons because now it's entering into kind of a dead time then things start heating up again toward the end of the 20's.


well...since its mostly made up...they can pretty much do what they want, based LOOSELY on history though it may be.

speaking of being based on history...for the Harrow fans out there...

I'ma just leave this hear.

Link
 
j4x
2012-12-03 11:24:35 AM

Stratohead: j4x: We're going to need some pretty big time jumps over the next few seasons because now it's entering into kind of a dead time then things start heating up again toward the end of the 20's.

well...since its mostly made up...they can pretty much do what they want, based LOOSELY on history though it may be.

speaking of being based on history...for the Harrow fans out there...

I'ma just leave this hear.

Link


Speaking of Harrow (Historical Spoilers)

It would be cool to have Harrow be Bugsy Seigel's killer in an epilogue to the series seeing as Bugsy was killed by a sniper.
 
2012-12-03 11:46:37 AM
I liked this season better than the last one (and a lot better than the first one). That being said, Why can't they just kill off Gillian?

The last couple episodes were drastically lacking in Michael Shannon's Crazy, and that is the best kind of Crazy.
 
2012-12-03 12:39:22 PM
Was Nucky's plan to take out all of Gyp's guys with just him and Eli with shotguns? And it never occurred to him to hire Harrow.

Who knew Gyp was an early Google pioneer?

More importantly, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CUTE DOG?
 
2012-12-03 12:40:40 PM
I need a Richard Harrow action figure with a removeable mask.
 
2012-12-03 12:50:25 PM

netringer:

Who knew Gyp was an early Google pioneer?


Link

one of the longest running comic strips in history... even though he hasn't appeared in his own strip in decades hasn't even been mentioned in the strip since 1997
 
2012-12-03 01:54:33 PM
Here is someone on the IMDB message board's take on what is next based on the historical record that I found pretty interesting:

Season 4:

Next season will pick up about a year later, in the summer of 1924. The writers will be able to use most of the season to establish the rise of Capone in Chicago (election rigging, etc.) and also conclude the Torrio-O'Banion conflict. O'Banion cheats Torrio out of about $500,000 by having him come in on a brewery with him while knowing it was about to be raided by the feds. In response (after much deliberation of not wanting to start a gang war), Torrio has O'Banion killed. O'Banion's gang retaliates by calling a hit on Torrio, who manages to barely survive. Capone keeps Torrio protected and kills all the people involved with the attempted hit. Torrio is sentenced to prison for a year and then retires to Italy, leaving the business to Capone (Torrio doesn't come back to the US for another five or so years). The season would wrap in early 1925 with Capone being the "king" of Chicago, though still embattled in turf wars, as Bugs Moran vows to take revenge for the death of O'Banion.

In New York, Rothstein will help Lucky re-establish himself in both the mob world and the political universe after the arrest (which he doesn't serve time for). Lucky and Lansky will still be serving under Rothstein and things will get profitable again for all of them. We'll likely get some more screen time for Bugsy as well, the kid who works for Lucky and Lansky (he's the one who tried to kill Gyp earlier this season)-we'll also likely meet Moe Sedway, who partners up with Bugsy and later becomes Lansky's right-hand man. Next season will also be a great opportunity for the writers to finally introduce Frank Costello, who is a key mobster moving forward, working alongside Lucky during this time period. We'll also be keeping tabs on Masseria, who is still very much in control of NY at this point.

Season 5:

This season will pick up in late 1925 with the introduction of the show's most important new character: Salvatore Maranzano. He's sent from Sicily by a Don there to take control of the mob in NY and he becomes a major conflict to Masseria. We're also likely to meet-assuming he's not introduced in season 4-Albert Anastasia, a union leader turned gangster who works alongside Lucky and Costello at times, as well as working under Masseria later on.

In Chicago, we're likely to be tracking Capone's conflict with Bugs Moran. The most interesting event during this time period there would be Moran's assassination attempt on Capone in 1926. Even though unsuccessful, Moran refused the truce Capone offered in response.

Season 6:

The writers will probably choose to skip some time here, possibly 18-24 months, jumping to 1928, where full-fledged war has broken out in NY between Maranzano and Masseria (The Castellammarese War). Gangsters and politicians will be taking sides and it should be some very good television. Notable events during this time will be Rothstein's assassination-he losses $300,000 in a fixed card game and is unable to pay right away. After his death, in 1929, Torrio returns from Italy and suggests that the young blood of the mob create a national crime syndicate, in which Lucky, Lansky, Torrio and Costello meet with Nucky in Atlantic City, establishing the bond between Italians, Jews and the Irish. Maranzano and Masseria are not invited to be part of it because of their old school ways. Not long after, Maranzano has Lucky badly beaten and stabbed, but he survives.

In Chicago, the war between Capone and Moran is still going strong and Moran has some of Capone's shipments hijacked. Capone responds with the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in February 1929, where he has gunman dressed as cops line seven of Moran's associates up and kill them. Moran was able to escape the attack having spotted the police car outside, so thinking it was a raid, he fled. The massacre essentially ended the war, but it also began Eliot Ness' famous investigation of Capone.

Season 7:

This season would pick back up in late 1930, with the Maranzano-Masseria war still going strong. In early 1931, Lucky strikes a deal with Maranzano, and along with Anastasia and Bugsy, he has Masseria killed. Lucky has a late lunch with Masseria in Coney Island and after the meal they stay to play cards. Lucky excuses himself to the restroom and four of his men storm the restaurant and gun down Masseria and his two body guards. The act essentially gifts the war to Maranzano, who then divides the NY crime world into the infamous five families, with Lucky as one. However, Maranzano goes back on his word to Lucky and names himself the "boss of bosses" and divides the assets to be heavily in his favor. Lucky isn't pleased with how things have turned out and Maranzano gets word and puts a hit on Lucky. Lucky gets word of the hit and has Maranzano killed-Jewish gangsters dressed as federal agents storm Maranzano's office, disarm his body guards, and repeatedly stab the crime leader. The move makes Lucky the undisputed "king" of NY, a status he maintains for awhile.

In Chicago, the season would follow the federal investigation on Capone, which ultimately leads to his arrest for tax evasion in 1931.

Season 8 (Last Season):

My guess is that they conclude the show in 1933, with the repeal of the Volstead act. While the Chicago storyline will have run its course, there will still be plenty to focus on in NY with Lucky, Lansky, Costello and Anastasia. I imagine they'll use this season to focus mainly on Nucky though, as in 1933 he's in real estate tax trouble with the federal government. The series will close as a Scarface-like tale, ending with his career on the decline. He's not indicted for tax evasion for a few more years and doesn't start serving his sentence until 1941, but the writers should be able to cast that foreshadowing fairly easy.
 
2012-12-03 02:36:58 PM

sluggers: Here is someone on the IMDB message board's take on what is next based on the historical record that I found pretty interesting:

. Capone responds with the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in February 1929, where he has gunman dressed as cops line seven of Moran's associates up and kill them. Moran was able to escape the attack having spotted the police car outside, so thinking it was a raid, he fled. The massacre essentially ended the war, but it also began Eliot Ness' famous investigation of Capone.
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In Chicago, the season would follow the federal investigation on Capone, which ultimately leads to his arrest for tax evasion in 1931. in late 1925...


That would be a problem with "The historical record." In spite of the fiction in "The Untouchables" (book, series and movies) Eliot Ness had nothing to do with the IRS investigation of Capone. The IRS investigator who got Al was Frank Wilson. Ness himself was really p-o'd by the fictions in the book. Ness's team merely harassed Capone with countless busts and raids.
 
2012-12-03 03:11:02 PM
Thanks for the info and links, netringer.
 
2012-12-03 10:10:01 PM

Mad_Radhu: Stratohead: Richard Harrow...the Snake Eyes f the Jazz Age.

The Carl Grimes of the Jazz Age.

/Season 3, Carl of course


Carl, Michonne, and Harrow as the new Modern Family.
 
2012-12-04 02:20:56 PM

sluggers: Here is someone on the IMDB message board's take on what is next based on the historical record that I found pretty interesting:


Except almost none of that has anything to do with Nucky Thompson, and this is a story about AC, not New York or Chicago (there isn't even a boardwalk in Chicago, just like a sidewalk on the edge of a lake). I doubt this show was intended as a history of the mob's actions during Prohibition, and instead is your typical American anti-hero tale. So I doubt we're gonna look at all that stuff.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:42 PM
I'm starting to think that we are going to get a Sopranos ending.
 
2012-12-04 02:42:44 PM
Good article here on what's next for season 4:

Terence Winter on What's Next for Boardwalk Empire - Vulture
 
2012-12-04 04:01:33 PM

netringer: sluggers: Here is someone on the IMDB message board's take on what is next based on the historical record that I found pretty interesting:

. Capone responds with the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in February 1929, where he has gunman dressed as cops line seven of Moran's associates up and kill them. Moran was able to escape the attack having spotted the police car outside, so thinking it was a raid, he fled. The massacre essentially ended the war, but it also began Eliot Ness' famous investigation of Capone.
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In Chicago, the season would follow the federal investigation on Capone, which ultimately leads to his arrest for tax evasion in 1931. in late 1925...

That would be a problem with "The historical record." In spite of the fiction in "The Untouchables" (book, series and movies) Eliot Ness had nothing to do with the IRS investigation of Capone. The IRS investigator who got Al was Frank Wilson. Ness himself was really p-o'd by the fictions in the book. Ness's team merely harassed Capone with countless busts and raids.


Just a minor point, but otherwise spot on: Ness never saw the book (which is probably one of the reasons it was so loosely based on reality). He died before it was released, and had only submitted about 20 pages to Oscar Fraley, the co-writer. Fraley embellished the rest.
 
2012-12-04 06:26:35 PM

NotoriousW.O.P: netringer: sluggers: ... The massacre essentially ended the war, but it also began Eliot Ness' famous investigation of Capone.
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In Chicago, the season would follow the federal investigation on Capone, which ultimately leads to his arrest for tax evasion in 1931. in late 1925...

That would be a problem with "The historical record." In spite of the fiction in "The Untouchables" (book, series and movies) Eliot Ness had nothing to do with the IRS investigation of Capone. The IRS investigator who got Al was Frank Wilson. Ness himself was really p-o'd by the fictions in the book. Ness's team merely harassed Capone with countless busts and raids.

Just a minor point, but otherwise spot on: Ness never saw the book (which is probably one of the reasons it was so loosely based on reality). He died before it was released, and had only submitted about 20 pages to Oscar Fraley, the co-writer. Fraley embellished the rest.


It was on "The Real Story" on the Smithsonian Channel. It has Fraley corresponding with Ness, "I'm going to gloss it up a bit to make a good story. Don't worry."

I had the impression that Ness did see the final book and hated the hype in it.
 
2012-12-04 06:53:58 PM

FlashHarry: Hilarity_N_Sues: I just hope they keep Mickey Doyle around for the entire run... he provides way too much troll value based on how badly the rubes on Twitter and the like hate his guts. I seriously want the series to end with him running AC.

mickey doyle is funny as shiat. that little derby he wears... and his laugh. holy fark is he a great character.


How can anyone not like him. He's a people person.

The only character I like more is Remus. Remus has paid. Remus has receipts.
 
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