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2012-12-02 01:14:50 PM
Two employees with the city of La Crosse have been paid nearly $80,000 since they were placed on administrative leave six months ago, and the city still hasn't explained what policies they're accused of violating.

In addition, the city paid another $25,000 to have a private firm take over one of the employee's duties, according to a La Crosse Tribune report.


So, what I'm hearing is that the City of La Crosse is hiring...
 
2012-12-02 01:18:08 PM
They gave her no reason, they didn't suspend her for no reason. 
 
2012-12-02 02:05:08 PM
My guess:

Two underlings caught a supervisor doing something illegal or "improper" and are on "keep your mouth shut" leave.
 
2012-12-02 03:48:33 PM
Escott said it was frustrating "not to be given a reason as to what they suspect you did wrong." She said the city gave her no warning before suspending her and that she was never told the basis of any complaint against her. She said she was told she was being investigated for a potential violation of a city policy, but when she asked which policy she was told that wasn't known yet.

Yeah - we don't know what you did yet, but we'll come up with something, I assure you.
 
2012-12-02 03:50:16 PM
At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"
 
2012-12-02 04:27:27 PM
A city government wasting money? How is this possible?
 
2012-12-02 04:37:54 PM

Ambivalence: At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"


So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?
 
2012-12-02 05:15:03 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"

So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?


I am a very ethical person, the chances of me getting a major disciplinary action is slim. And if I did do wrong, I'd accept punishment for it. My governing principle in life is to never do anything I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone.
 
2012-12-02 05:31:12 PM

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"

So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?

I am a very ethical person, the chances of me getting a major disciplinary action is slim. And if I did do wrong, I'd accept punishment for it. My governing principle in life is to never do anything I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone.


That wasn't what I asked. I asked if you'd be okay with being suspended for no reason, and being told they don;t even know what you did wrong, as long as they pay you.

I certainly wouldn't be, but you may be different.
 
2012-12-02 05:34:23 PM
I want that job.
 
2012-12-02 05:42:36 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: That wasn't what I asked. I asked if you'd be okay with being suspended for no reason, and being told they don;t even know what you did wrong, as long as they pay you.

I certainly wouldn't be, but you may be different.


To be honest, I can't even imagine having a job where "suspension with pay" is even an option so I don't know how I"d feel about it.
 
2012-12-02 06:10:17 PM
Serious query: what is her FARK handle?
 
2012-12-02 06:24:16 PM

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: That wasn't what I asked. I asked if you'd be okay with being suspended for no reason, and being told they don;t even know what you did wrong, as long as they pay you.

I certainly wouldn't be, but you may be different.

To be honest, I can't even imagine having a job where "suspension with pay" is even an option so I don't know how I"d feel about it.


Yeah, I'm in a job where suspension with pay can happen while they investigate a serious offense and they think the person is a serious risk to have on the job (financial folks, IT, etc.). Usually, a person is caught dead to rights and they put them on suspension while they do the legal mumbo-jumbo. Suspending someone and not telling them why is a bullshiat tactic that says, "We have no proof of anything you did wrong, but we're going to dig something up or fabricate something, just you watch."
 
2012-12-02 06:52:10 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: My guess:

Two underlings caught a supervisor doing something illegal or "improper" and are on "keep your mouth shut" leave.


"She said she was told she was being investigated for a potential violation of a city policy, but when she asked which policy she was told that wasn't known yet."

I'm guessing it's a lot more serious, like embezzling a lot of money from the retirement funds. It's wise to remove the ability to snag any more while you run the investigation...
 
2012-12-02 06:52:34 PM
Get her back to work, this isn't a cop here.
 
2012-12-02 06:55:06 PM
Government employees: How do they work?

Answer: Not much and not well
 
2012-12-02 06:57:38 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: That wasn't what I asked. I asked if you'd be okay with being suspended for no reason, and being told they don;t even know what you did wrong, as long as they pay you.

I certainly wouldn't be, but you may be different.

To be honest, I can't even imagine having a job where "suspension with pay" is even an option so I don't know how I"d feel about it.

Yeah, I'm in a job where suspension with pay can happen while they investigate a serious offense and they think the person is a serious risk to have on the job (financial folks, IT, etc.). Usually, a person is caught dead to rights and they put them on suspension while they do the legal mumbo-jumbo. Suspending someone and not telling them why is a bullshiat tactic that says, "We have no proof of anything you did wrong, but we're going to dig something up or fabricate something, just you watch."


I bet the fact that someone jumped the gun a few months early in their suspension will be brought up when the civil case goes to trial. Everyone I've EVER heard of getting suspended with pay knew exactly what was up, was told exactly what was up, the legal department knew exactly what was up, and pretty much everyone knew exactly what was up. It's common practice to let people know. One of two things is going on: They're trying to come up with some dirt because they pissed the wrong person off, or they won't say anything because it'll get them in legal shiat to do so. The second case actually isn't uncommon when people get fired for some kind of crime they committed...you can turn right around and sue them for slander if you aren't actually convicted of what they accuse you of.

All of that being said, there's no reason it should go on for six months. If you commit a crime, you're probably going to hear about it within six months if anyone else knows about it.
 
2012-12-02 06:58:24 PM

ladyfortuna: ecmoRandomNumbers: My guess:

Two underlings caught a supervisor doing something illegal or "improper" and are on "keep your mouth shut" leave.

"She said she was told she was being investigated for a potential violation of a city policy, but when she asked which policy she was told that wasn't known yet."

I'm guessing it's a lot more serious, like embezzling a lot of money from the retirement funds. It's wise to remove the ability to snag any more while you run the investigation...


Given it is the Community Development director, I'm guessing improper RFP or contract procedures.

Of course, they could have been screwing in the office after hours and got caught...
 
2012-12-02 07:01:03 PM

Saborlas: I want that job.


I doubt it. It sounds like a case of incompetent management who enjoy punishing subordinates.
 
GBB
2012-12-02 07:02:25 PM

Notabunny: Saborlas: I want that job.

I doubt it. It sounds like a case of incompetent management who enjoy punishing subordinates.


But... "paid leave"!!!
 
2012-12-02 07:02:59 PM
I can't be rightfully outraged unless I know what race they are.
 
2012-12-02 07:04:31 PM
Oestreich said she couldn't comment further on personnel matters.

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2012-12-02 07:07:15 PM

GBB: But... "paid leave"!!!


THIS

Seriously, if someone paid me, I'd sit home developing my dotcom idea.

It's like these morons who win the lottery and carry on working their bum job. The whole farking point of winning the lottery is that you don't have to do that shiat any more, you can do whatever you like with that time.
 
GBB
2012-12-02 07:07:34 PM
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They got "corporate sponsorship".
 
2012-12-02 07:07:36 PM

stirfrybry: Government employees: How do they work?

Answer: Not much and not well


Huh? This woman is fighting to get BACK to work.
 
2012-12-02 07:08:15 PM
While I wouldn't really mind getting paid my full average wage while not actually having to go to work, especially if I knew I didn't do anything wrong, after six months I can see her getting a bit stir-crazy. It's likely that now she's trying to get out in front of the story so that the employers can't leak something like "incompetent worker paid over $40,000 for not showing up at work" and creating a bias against her for potential jurors if whatever they company thinks happened ever goes to court.
 
2012-12-02 07:09:46 PM

Notabunny: Saborlas: I want that job.

I doubt it. It sounds like a case of incompetent management who enjoy punishing subordinates.


Probably. In the one case, the guy had a "confrontation" with his boss, who was then the city attorney. My suspicion there is that the attorney put him on leave so he could trump up some charges against him that would justify firing him, which happens a lot in government. Bureaucracy is a great place for exercising petty grudges against people at no cost to yourself.
 
2012-12-02 07:10:09 PM

Ambivalence: My governing principle in life is to never do anything I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone.


And yet here you are on Fark
 
2012-12-02 07:21:12 PM
$38.72 is cheap for an assistant City attorney.
 
2012-12-02 07:22:14 PM
Full pay and benefits to do whatever I want all day? Count me in! Doesn't matter what's "on my record" as employers will almost always limit the information they divulge about you to dates of employment. Besides, she been on a six month paid vacation thus far with no firing in sight. This could go on indefinitely. Meanwhile she racks up paychecks and time towards pension benefits.
 
2012-12-02 07:28:15 PM
I'm far more interested in the sidebar ads.

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2012-12-02 07:30:09 PM
This should be good. Anyone want to take wagers on whether this thread or the cyclist one above it will be bigger?
 
2012-12-02 07:30:49 PM

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"

So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?

I am a very ethical person, the chances of me getting a major disciplinary action is slim. And if I did do wrong, I'd accept punishment for it. My governing principle in life is to never do anything I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone.


Over the years, I've learned this to be the best advice of all.
 
2012-12-02 07:37:53 PM
LETS GIVE IT UP FOR BIG GOVERNMENT!!!
 
2012-12-02 07:38:57 PM

MikeMc: Full pay and benefits to do whatever I want all day? Count me in! Doesn't matter what's "on my record" as employers will almost always limit the information they divulge about you to dates of employment. ......



Which is of course generally true except when it makes the news that you got suspended from your job. You know, the whole Google thing?
 
2012-12-02 07:41:06 PM
So, 2 people get paid suspensions, and only one needs to be replaced by a temp, at 1/3 the cost of both. Hmmm. Typical government financial waste.
 
2012-12-02 07:41:14 PM
While it would be nice to know why i was suspended, I wouldn't be complaining too hard about getting paid that to not work. Hell, you could go work ANOTHER job for something to do, then you'd have two incomes, or start your own small home business or something.
 
2012-12-02 07:41:42 PM
38.71 per hour for 2 employees.
Now take it to the ultimate level and you'll
see why this country is 16 trillion in debt!
Bloated wasteful government. Same thing with health care.
Too many "vice presidents" running around in 3,000.00 suits who have
no idea what they are doing.
 
2012-12-02 07:47:21 PM

jmr61: MikeMc: Full pay and benefits to do whatever I want all day? Count me in! Doesn't matter what's "on my record" as employers will almost always limit the information they divulge about you to dates of employment. ......


Which is of course generally true except when it makes the news that you got suspended from your job. You know, the whole Google thing?


Suspended for what though? Nobody knows (including the people suspended).There's nothing in the article indicating the woman has ever done anything wrong. And how did the paper learn of this? Were they contacted by the suspended people?

I say let the suspension roll until they tell you what the complaint is and then follow the civil service procedures. shiat, she could be working a full-time job while she waits and making serious money.
 
2012-12-02 07:51:17 PM

p51d007: 38.71 per hour for 2 employees.
Now take it to the ultimate level and you'll
see why this country is 16 trillion in debt!
Bloated wasteful government. Same thing with health care.
Too many "vice presidents" running around in 3,000.00 suits who have
no idea what they are doing.


And the employee's are complaining about it. Probably still have insurance and all other benefits as an employee.
 
2012-12-02 07:52:36 PM

dopekitty74: While it would be nice to know why i was suspended, I wouldn't be complaining too hard about getting paid that to not work. Hell, you could go work ANOTHER job for something to do, then you'd have two incomes, or start your own small home business or something.


Uh, no. Most terms of suspension won't allow that. In fact, you usually have to check in to HR periodically for your paychecks to continue and any income made is offest against your wages.
 
2012-12-02 07:53:43 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope: So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?

If the checks kept rolling in indefinitely, yeah I'd be just fine with that.
 
2012-12-02 07:56:59 PM
This actually happened to me. Sort of. I worked for a government, and was told to come by the boss's office before work one day. I get there, and a union arbitrator is there waiting for me going "what did you do?". I had no idea, and after a while they call me into a meeting room with lawyers, a cop, and the whole upper management of the government agency and have a serious talk with me, and put me on (unpaid) leave while they sort things out. But they never actually said what I did, or was suspected of doing, and the union guy looked like his head was going to explode because he had no idea what he was defending me from, or why.

I just quit and got another job.

fark the government.

//It was the most surreal moment of my life, I think.
 
2012-12-02 07:58:46 PM

Another Government Employee: dopekitty74: While it would be nice to know why i was suspended, I wouldn't be complaining too hard about getting paid that to not work. Hell, you could go work ANOTHER job for something to do, then you'd have two incomes, or start your own small home business or something.

Uh, no. Most terms of suspension won't allow that. In fact, you usually have to check in to HR periodically for your paychecks to continue and any income made is offest against your wages.


Like they would even know.
 
2012-12-02 08:04:29 PM
I would be freakin hot as hell is I was suspended with or without pay and given no reason.

However, someone somewhere will be farked over because this story made it to Fark. The suspended worker will find out soon what happened and the suspender will find out what indefinite suspension sans pay and benefits feels like.
 
2012-12-02 08:04:59 PM
She should us this time to go back to school so she can get a real job
 
2012-12-02 08:06:07 PM

Soymilk: $38.72 is cheap for an assistant City attorney.


As it's La Crosse they probably scraped some bottom of the barrel grad from Madison or the Twin Cities who will run in five years of dealing with pleading out all the white trash's DUI's and DV cases all day long.
 
2012-12-02 08:07:47 PM
The American Dream.

/ your tax dollars at work
 
2012-12-02 08:13:44 PM

MikeMc: Another Government Employee: dopekitty74: While it would be nice to know why i was suspended, I wouldn't be complaining too hard about getting paid that to not work. Hell, you could go work ANOTHER job for something to do, then you'd have two incomes, or start your own small home business or something.

Uh, no. Most terms of suspension won't allow that. In fact, you usually have to check in to HR periodically for your paychecks to continue and any income made is offest against your wages.

Like they would even know.


There are ways to find out. Trust me. Especially if you have a vengeful boss.
 
2012-12-02 08:15:02 PM
Hmmm..Is that before or after taxes?
 
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