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2012-12-02 11:07:44 AM
Doesn't help that restaurants cook the crap out of fish. It tastes like something if it isn't reduced to a tough brick of protein.
 
2012-12-02 11:42:49 AM
I've got a Vietnamese place near me that serves the fish whole. I always know what I'm getting.
 
2012-12-02 01:31:24 PM
Uh, no, submitter. Salmon tastes very different from fish like cod or sole, both with have a mild flavor.
 
2012-12-02 01:43:48 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Uh, no, submitter. Salmon tastes very different from fish like cod or sole, both with have a mild flavor.


Actually it turns out all 3 of those were tilapia. Sorry brah.
 
2012-12-02 01:50:37 PM
If all fish tastes the same to you, subby, then either you're going to crappy restaurants, or you can't cook, or both.
 
2012-12-02 02:47:17 PM
Ken's Steak House

Stopped reading right there..
 
2012-12-02 02:49:38 PM
All fish still tastes the same

Fishy?
 
2012-12-02 02:51:39 PM
Well now I want fish for dinner despite having already planned for today. Mmm. Tomorrow, I guess.
 
2012-12-02 02:52:14 PM

Friskya: All fish still tastes the same

Fishy?


Wat?

www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2012-12-02 02:56:07 PM
Ever think this is a GOOD thing?

Lemme point out- just about ALL the fisheries in the world are overfished. Say 2/3rds of the fish being sold are misrepesented, and actually the unlimited, unstressed, or farmed fish like tilapia.

Well relabeling isn't going to put 3x more fish into the world! There ain't any more fish.

The thing is, red snapper won't go extinct as long as the price is kept down by the fact that vendors can simply substitute tilapia for snapper. If you have a magic iPhone app to verify snapper DNA, suddenly the tilapia-substitution thing goes away, the price of genuine, verifiable red snapper skyrockets, and people get rich fishing red snapper to extinction, every fish taken making it more and more rare and increasing the price of the next one ever higher. Which is fark-all stupid knowing that people can't tell the difference if you DID give them tilapia and the only point here was to eat something rare out of a commodity fetish.
 
2012-12-02 02:57:42 PM
C) Deregulate the market and let the companies police themselves?
 
2012-12-02 03:01:07 PM
It is not appropriate for the government to regulate this because public health is not at risk, and the environment is actually helped.
However, there is a mile-wide opening for commercial fishing interests to set up some sort of private organization with a logo people can trust saying exactly what fish it is. With a little publicity, restaurants with the logo on their menu should be able to charge more for their fish.
 
2012-12-02 03:02:40 PM

Oznog: Ever think this is a GOOD thing?

Lemme point out- just about ALL the fisheries in the world are overfished. Say 2/3rds of the fish being sold are misrepesented, and actually the unlimited, unstressed, or farmed fish like tilapia.

Well relabeling isn't going to put 3x more fish into the world! There ain't any more fish.

The thing is, red snapper won't go extinct as long as the price is kept down by the fact that vendors can simply substitute tilapia for snapper. If you have a magic iPhone app to verify snapper DNA, suddenly the tilapia-substitution thing goes away, the price of genuine, verifiable red snapper skyrockets, and people get rich fishing red snapper to extinction, every fish taken making it more and more rare and increasing the price of the next one ever higher. Which is fark-all stupid knowing that people can't tell the difference if you DID give them tilapia and the only point here was to eat something rare out of a commodity fetish.


So what you are saying is that it is ok to lie to the customer and pass off something they didn't order as what they did while charging the higher price? That doesn't sound illegal at all, no sir, definitely not illegal.
 
2012-12-02 03:03:20 PM

GentDirkly: It is not appropriate for the government to regulate this because public health is not at risk, and the environment is actually helped.


Good news, everyone: it's okay to defraud your customers as long as you don't give them anything that harms their health.

This is what conservatives actually believe.
 
2012-12-02 03:03:22 PM

Oznog: Ever think this is a GOOD thing?

Lemme point out- just about ALL the fisheries in the world are overfished. Say 2/3rds of the fish being sold are misrepesented, and actually the unlimited, unstressed, or farmed fish like tilapia.

Well relabeling isn't going to put 3x more fish into the world! There ain't any more fish.

The thing is, red snapper won't go extinct as long as the price is kept down by the fact that vendors can simply substitute tilapia for snapper. If you have a magic iPhone app to verify snapper DNA, suddenly the tilapia-substitution thing goes away, the price of genuine, verifiable red snapper skyrockets, and people get rich fishing red snapper to extinction, every fish taken making it more and more rare and increasing the price of the next one ever higher. Which is fark-all stupid knowing that people can't tell the difference if you DID give them tilapia and the only point here was to eat something rare out of a commodity fetish.


Whaa?

It's theft, plain and simple. Sure, it's not on the same level as selling a fake diamond as a real one...but the same principle.
 
2012-12-02 03:04:15 PM
It's almost like that time I ordered Chilean Sea Bass and was served Patagonian toothfish, instead.
 
2012-12-02 03:04:33 PM
Fish is gross.

And it all tastes the same.
 
2012-12-02 03:05:18 PM
wrong, online idiots. SOME fish taste the same. Many do not.
 
2012-12-02 03:06:56 PM

James F. Campbell: GentDirkly: It is not appropriate for the government to regulate this because public health is not at risk, and the environment is actually helped.

Good news, everyone: it's okay to defraud your customers as long as you don't give them anything that harms their health.

This is what conservatives actually believe.


Fraud is usually addressed in torts. Each of these restaurants is free to sue their suppliers, and each customer is free to sue the restaurant. Neither of these means the government should be preemptively regulating this particular market. By the way, "lie but do no harm" is also the guiding mantra of the FDA for herbal "medicines".
 
2012-12-02 03:08:14 PM
But not all Pu**y tastes like fish.
 
2012-12-02 03:10:26 PM

doczoidberg: Fish is gross.

And it all tastes the same.


This.

/the vinegar and lemon juice are to hide the smell of the amines
 
2012-12-02 03:14:03 PM

GentDirkly: It is not appropriate for the government to regulate this because public health is not at risk, and the environment is actually helped.
However, there is a mile-wide opening for commercial fishing interests to set up some sort of private organization with a logo people can trust saying exactly what fish it is. With a little publicity, restaurants with the logo on their menu should be able to charge more for their fish.


It's not the government's place to stop fraud? That's news to me.
 
2012-12-02 03:14:24 PM

Friskya: It's almost like that time I ordered Chilean Sea Bass and was served Patagonian toothfish, instead.


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2012-12-02 03:17:39 PM

FloydA: If all fish tastes the same to you, subby, then either you're going to crappy restaurants, or you can't cook, or both.


Maybe there is shiat that tastes good, but I'm not going to sample every turd I see in order to find it.

/not subby
/not really an analogy since fish is the worst tasting thing ever
 
2012-12-02 03:19:39 PM

MacEnvy: Bathia_Mapes: Uh, no, submitter. Salmon tastes very different from fish like cod or sole, both with have a mild flavor.

Actually it turns out all 3 of those were tilapia. Sorry,brah Obla di obla da life goes on, brah.


FTFY.
 
2012-12-02 03:19:54 PM

Oznog: Ever think this is a GOOD thing?

Lemme point out- just about ALL the fisheries in the world are overfished. Say 2/3rds of the fish being sold are misrepesented, and actually the unlimited, unstressed, or farmed fish like tilapia.

Well relabeling isn't going to put 3x more fish into the world! There ain't any more fish.

The thing is, red snapper won't go extinct as long as the price is kept down by the fact that vendors can simply substitute tilapia for snapper. If you have a magic iPhone app to verify snapper DNA, suddenly the tilapia-substitution thing goes away, the price of genuine, verifiable red snapper skyrockets, and people get rich fishing red snapper to extinction, every fish taken making it more and more rare and increasing the price of the next one ever higher. Which is fark-all stupid knowing that people can't tell the difference if you DID give them tilapia and the only point here was to eat something rare out of a commodity fetish.


I agree with you about overfishing, but what these guys are doing is outright fraud to make a buck.

That said, I dont understand the stigma attached to tilapia. It is a decent mild white fish that tastes fine. Just properly label it as such.
 
2012-12-02 03:20:38 PM
You're a farking idiot if you can't tell the difference between red snapper and tilapia. That restaurant manager and his chef are fraudsters, plain and simple.
 
2012-12-02 03:21:11 PM
FTFA: "Others said naming inconsistencies were the result of clerical errors."

Yeah right. I'd be curious to know how often these places are selling more expensive fish for a lot less. If this confusion is due to "clerical error", this should go both ways.

Why yes, I'll have some of that "halibut" for $5.99/lb

skepticsannotatedbible.com
"I had a lovely supper and all I said to my wife was, "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah."
 
2012-12-02 03:22:58 PM

Oznog: Ever think this is a GOOD thing?

Lemme point out- just about ALL the fisheries in the world are overfished. Say 2/3rds of the fish being sold are misrepesented, and actually the unlimited, unstressed, or farmed fish like tilapia.

Well relabeling isn't going to put 3x more fish into the world! There ain't any more fish.

The thing is, red snapper won't go extinct as long as the price is kept down by the fact that vendors can simply substitute tilapia for snapper. If you have a magic iPhone app to verify snapper DNA, suddenly the tilapia-substitution thing goes away, the price of genuine, verifiable red snapper skyrockets, and people get rich fishing red snapper to extinction, every fish taken making it more and more rare and increasing the price of the next one ever higher. Which is fark-all stupid knowing that people can't tell the difference if you DID give them tilapia and the only point here was to eat something rare out of a commodity fetish.


Would you be ok paying thousands for a diamond only to find out it was really a $50 cz?
 
2012-12-02 03:23:39 PM

Oznog: Ever think this is a GOOD thing?

Lemme point out- just about ALL the fisheries in the world are overfished. Say 2/3rds of the fish being sold are misrepesented, and actually the unlimited, unstressed, or farmed fish like tilapia.

Well relabeling isn't going to put 3x more fish into the world! There ain't any more fish.

The thing is, red snapper won't go extinct as long as the price is kept down by the fact that vendors can simply substitute tilapia for snapper. If you have a magic iPhone app to verify snapper DNA, suddenly the tilapia-substitution thing goes away, the price of genuine, verifiable red snapper skyrockets, and people get rich fishing red snapper to extinction, every fish taken making it more and more rare and increasing the price of the next one ever higher. Which is fark-all stupid knowing that people can't tell the difference if you DID give them tilapia and the only point here was to eat something rare out of a commodity fetish.


That's a fantastic rationalization and it's due to the fact that you're not concerned with it personally.

If the same thing were to happen to you where you were being deceived about something you value highly you'd be extremely pissed off at people for being "creative" with rationalization like you are now and be unaware of your own hypocrisy.
 
2012-12-02 03:25:43 PM
If you go to a chain steak house and order fish, you deserve what you get.
 
2012-12-02 03:26:47 PM
abetterfishstory.com 

What fish is most likely substituted for cheaper more profitable varieties.
 
2012-12-02 03:35:21 PM

James F. Campbell: GentDirkly: It is not appropriate for the government to regulate this because public health is not at risk, and the environment is actually helped.

Good news, everyone: it's okay to defraud your customers as long as you don't give them anything that harms their health.


I think now we can add to that: "and you leave the door open for your defrauded customers to sue you knowing that virtually none of them will over a $15 piece of fish."

Free market, baby. Ka-ching!
 
2012-12-02 03:35:55 PM
Eh it's Mass.

Lived on Cape Cod for 4 years and all they did was batter and fry the shiat out of it until it was an oily clump. Could have been fried dough.

I love that some of the menus listed "SCROD" as the fish of the day.
 
2012-12-02 03:35:59 PM

namegoeshere: If you go to a chain steak house and order fish, you deserve what you get.


Hell, id say the same thing if you ordered a filet mignon
 
2012-12-02 03:36:49 PM
Fraud is usually addressed in torts. Each of these restaurants is free to sue their suppliers, and each customer is free to sue the restaurant.

Or..... you can have a situation where the governed have decided it's more efficient to allow government oversight of the fish supply rather than personally identifying incorrect fish, paying for a personal fish DNA test, and clogging the small claims' court system with generally unprovable nonsense since they really don't have the resources for an evidentiary chain of custody.
 
2012-12-02 03:38:01 PM

panfried: [abetterfishstory.com image 850x556] 

What fish is most likely substituted for cheaper more profitable varieties.


Salmon ---> Tuna?

Have you ever tasted either of these things?
 
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2012-12-02 03:38:21 PM
what about subby's mom?
 
2012-12-02 03:39:36 PM
Best tasting fish God ever made - if you don't know what it is, you don't eat good fish -
/kinda cheating since it's not available commercially, so all you folks West of the Mississippi get a break



www.fly-fishing-discounters.com
 
2012-12-02 03:41:02 PM
But labeling food as genetically modified is bad?
 
2012-12-02 03:41:04 PM
..... and, hopefully, still alive.
 
2012-12-02 03:41:31 PM
I'd say the lettuce and the cheese make a difference. Probably not so much with the sesame seeds.

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2012-12-02 03:42:52 PM

keytronic: Oznog: Ever think this is a GOOD thing?

Lemme point out- just about ALL the fisheries in the world are overfished. Say 2/3rds of the fish being sold are misrepesented, and actually the unlimited, unstressed, or farmed fish like tilapia.

Well relabeling isn't going to put 3x more fish into the world! There ain't any more fish.

The thing is, red snapper won't go extinct as long as the price is kept down by the fact that vendors can simply substitute tilapia for snapper. If you have a magic iPhone app to verify snapper DNA, suddenly the tilapia-substitution thing goes away, the price of genuine, verifiable red snapper skyrockets, and people get rich fishing red snapper to extinction, every fish taken making it more and more rare and increasing the price of the next one ever higher. Which is fark-all stupid knowing that people can't tell the difference if you DID give them tilapia and the only point here was to eat something rare out of a commodity fetish.

Whaa?

It's theft, plain and simple. Sure, it's not on the same level as selling a fake diamond as a real one...but the same principle.


Eh, true... that said, I still might pull a Folger's Coffee switch on my Mom for Christmas Eve.

She's insisting on Orange Roughy out of tradition. I'd rather buy Michigan caught whitefish (especially considering I can buy directly from the people who catch it, and it's cheaper). I probably won't have the guts to do a whole scale switch, but we bread it and bake it and I might throw a couple of filets of whitefish in there to see if anyone can tell.

Granted, it's still got skin on one side, but I'm the one doing the breading and baking anyhow...And the filets are a similar size and both white fleshed.

/shrug
//yeah, I know it's tradition, Mom, but we might not have that option soon so we might as well find a good switch now
///that benefits the local economy and all too...
 
2012-12-02 03:48:01 PM

Seacop:

I love that some of the menus listed "SCROD" as the fish of the day.



I didn't know that verb even had a past perfect tense!
 
2012-12-02 03:49:13 PM

GentDirkly: It is not appropriate for the government to regulate this because public health is not at risk, and the environment is actually helped.


go eat a bunch of escolar and tell me the public health is not at risk. also no risk to your clean underwear
 
2012-12-02 03:50:18 PM
Monkfish and toro are pretty hard to fake. Just order those and you'll be set.
 
2012-12-02 03:52:41 PM
Also, am I the only one who can't stand Tilapia? I've tried cooking it multiple ways and got it from a reputable dedicated-only-to-fish guy at a local market the SO worked at... unless I fry the heck out of it I just don't enjoy it. And even then.

/shrug
//don't really order fish in restaurants except one pretty damn reputable sushi bar... otherwise I'll buy from the farmer's market or a decent market worth the extra money and make it at home
 
2012-12-02 03:55:17 PM

FloydA: Seacop:

I love that some of the menus listed "SCROD" as the fish of the day.


Seaman's Catch Received On Deck, meaning "whatever whitefish is flopping around" is usually what's meant.

It's amusing when people go on about how much they love scrod over other varieties of fish.
 
2012-12-02 04:04:04 PM

That Guy...From That Show!: FloydA: Seacop:

I love that some of the menus listed "SCROD" as the fish of the day.

Seaman's Catch Received On Deck, meaning "whatever whitefish is flopping around" is usually what's meant.

It's amusing when people go on about how much they love scrod over other varieties of fish.



My "scrod is the past tense of a verb" comment was intended as a joke.

"The menu said whitefish, but when I saw the bill, I realized I had got scrod."
 
2012-12-02 04:35:14 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Also, am I the only one who can't stand Tilapia? I've tried cooking it multiple ways and got it from a reputable dedicated-only-to-fish guy at a local market the SO worked at... unless I fry the heck out of it I just don't enjoy it. And even then.

/shrug
//don't really order fish in restaurants except one pretty damn reputable sushi bar... otherwise I'll buy from the farmer's market or a decent market worth the extra money and make it at home


It has that earthy flavor that's difficult to override. Try strong-flavored oils after marinating. Maybe spicy sesame (Raa-Yuu).
 
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