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(The Newspaper)   Washington voters may get the right to vote on the right to vote on red light cameras   (thenewspaper.com) divider line 11
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2012-12-02 05:14:26 PM
3 votes:
Automated fine machines like red light camera ticketing scams are a cash cow that cash strapped local government/LEOs the world over are looking at and trying to implement where ever they can.

Generally over the sounds of mass wailing and gnashing of many teeth.

They are an abomination upon this earth and should not be tolerated.

/Ya wanna give me a ticket?
//Do it in person or GTFO.
2012-12-02 07:01:57 PM
2 votes:

Happy Hours: How about you don't run red lights?


Because machines never make mistakes nor do local governments mess with timing signals to maximize revenue

/its all about the safety!
//I see we are following the normal red light camera thread pattern
2012-12-02 11:13:01 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: I do and although I have skidded in the past that simply means you weren't driving safely for conditions. Usually it's considered failure to maintain control unless your'e doing accelerating.

Somehow the RLC equipped intersection that I go through all the time has never ticketed me



And yet in Washington DC, red light camera intersections had a more than 100% increase in collisions.

The analysis shows that the number of crashes at locations with cameras more than doubled, from 365 collisions in 1998 to 755 [in 2005]. Injury and fatal crashes climbed 81 percent, from 144 such wrecks to 262. Broadside crashes, also known as right-angle or T-bone collisions, rose 30 percent, from 81 to 106 during that time frame. Traffic specialists say broadside collisions are especially dangerous because the sides are the most vulnerable areas of cars.
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The results were similar or worse than figures at intersections that have traffic signals but no cameras. The number of overall crashes at those 1,520 locations increased 64 percent; injury and fatal crashes rose 54 percent; and broadside collisions rose 17 percent.
2012-12-02 08:11:58 PM
1 votes:

ImpendingCynic: Happy Hours: How about you don't run red lights?

There are plenty of situations where one might run a right light - avoiding an accident, slick roads, failed brakes, obstructed view - which would probably not result in a ticket if witnessed by a live officer. Not every single incident of entering the intersection after the light turns red is a driver who says "screw this, I'm not waiting."


Virtually all of those situations can be avoided if one is not driving too fast for conditions and leaving adequate following distance. The extremely rare exceptions can almost always be addressed with a very brief discussion with the magistrate.
2012-12-02 06:31:42 PM
1 votes:
I don't understand why every last person doesn't agree with my absolutely correct opinion that all photo enforcement is unconstitutional and should be banned. I never read any counter-arguments to my position because obviously they're crap. I assume any government that employs photo enforcement has been taken over by organized crime and is illegitimate.
2012-12-02 06:24:37 PM
1 votes:

discount sushi: I saw a car get popped by a red light camera for moving to make way for an emergency vehicle. Since there are no points and just a civil fine, I doubt it would be worth fighting.


That's the thing, for most people a day in court to fight an unjust ticket is throwing good money after bad even if you win because of the loss of a day's pay and the powers-that-be bloody well know it.
2012-12-02 05:48:03 PM
1 votes:
Initiative mastermind Tim Eyman,

LOL now I've got a good reason to vote against it.

Stupid teabagger bullshiat.
2012-12-02 05:36:45 PM
1 votes:
Be careful, Washington. This is how California got so farked up. We made the initiative process more binding, just as you are about to do, because our government was telling us to fark off when the majority demanded something, just like what happened to you. Now every stupid idea imaginable becomes and initiative and usually passes because the average voter is a moron and doesn't read the damn things.

The road to hell, good intentions, we're farked.
2012-12-02 05:29:54 PM
1 votes:

BMulligan: a_bilge_monkey: Oh, red light cameras. I thought, well never mind. I wont be moving back to Tacoma after all.

I can't imagine any set of circumstances that would lead a reasonable person consider moving to Tacoma the first time, much less moving back.


They're a gang member.
2012-12-02 05:23:32 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: How about you don't run red lights?


I don't. The cameras get you when you're waiting at a green light to turn left as a rule. That's not running a red light.
2012-12-02 05:19:50 PM
1 votes:
The proposal also extends the deadline for completing the signature gathering process from ten to sixteen months after filing.

Ah, so this is really about Eyman making it easier to get initiatives on the ballot so that he can make more money pushing stupid initiatives.
 
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