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(The Newspaper)   Washington voters may get the right to vote on the right to vote on red light cameras   (thenewspaper.com) divider line 62
    More: PSA, red light cameras, speed cameras, Tim Eyman, formal organization  
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2012-12-03 03:47:10 AM  
This is Eyman's best bill yet. It looks like this will pass. And when it does, then the cops won't be able to do a damn thing about it.

I'm starting to like this Eyman chap.
 
2012-12-03 04:10:02 AM  

Goodfella: I'm starting to like this Eyman chap.


Sorry to hear about your head injury.
 
2012-12-03 06:57:01 AM  
Misch
Happy Hours: I do and although I have skidded in the past that simply means you weren't driving safely for conditions. Usually it's considered failure to maintain control unless your'e doing accelerating.
Somehow the RLC equipped intersection that I go through all the time has never ticketed me
And yet in Washington DC, red light camera intersections had a more than 100% increase in collisions.
The analysis shows that the number of crashes at locations with cameras more than doubled, from 365 collisions in 1998 to 755 [in 2005]. Injury and fatal crashes climbed 81 percent, from 144 such wrecks to262. Broadside crashes, also known as right-angle or T-bone collisions, rose 30 percent, from 81 to 106 during that time frame. Traffic specialists say broadside collisions are especially dangerous because the sides are the most vulnerable areas of cars.
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The results were similar or worse than figures at intersections that have traffic signals but no cameras. The number of overall crashes at those 1,520 locations


The new PR logic is that rear-ending collisions are ok, but t-bone collisions are bad. So red light cameras save lives.

/Ignoring the fact that companies should not setup the darn things then take a percentage of the profit.
 
2012-12-03 07:43:36 AM  

Enemabag Jones: The new PR logic is that rear-ending collisions are ok, but t-bone collisions are bad. So red light cameras save lives.

/Ignoring the fact that companies should not setup the darn things then take a percentage of the profit.


New Jersey's experience is a 20% increase in rear-end collisions, and $1 million in additional property damage per red-light camera intersection.
 
2012-12-03 08:25:58 AM  

skepticultist: the person in front of you takes the turn so slowly that the light is green when you enter the intersection and red by the time you finish your turn.


What is it with people who do that around here? They are so slow to turn left on a green arrow. I hate that. You aren't the only one.
 
2012-12-03 10:22:46 AM  

BMulligan: Virtually all of those situations can be avoided if one is not driving too fast for conditions and leaving adequate following distance. The extremely rare exceptions can almost always be addressed with a very brief discussion with the magistrate


Never been to traffic court have you?
 
2012-12-03 10:45:49 AM  

OgreMagi: Be careful, Washington. This is how California got so farked up.


One difference is that the Washington legislature can (and does) override public initiatives after a few years of their passage. The ones in California seem untouchable.

I'm surprised that Eyman is messing around with this technicality and doesn't just push for a complete state-wide ban of camera ticketing. I now avoid Lynnwood like the plague because of all the red-light and school zone cameras. And I see that Seattle wants to start putting them into school zones, too. Fun.
 
2012-12-03 10:55:43 AM  

Enemabag Jones: The new PR logic is that rear-ending collisions are ok, but t-bone collisions are bad. So red light cameras save lives.


A couple of studies noted that the same decrease in side-impacts could be achieved by simply lengthening the yellow light time or by switching to a lagging left turn light.


IntertubeUser: Compared to the decades I spent down South, they are horrible and aggressive.


Drivers in Los Angeles are aggressive. Drivers in Seattle are passive aggressive. The latter is much, much more infuriating.
 
2012-12-03 11:04:19 AM  

Nem Wan: I don't understand why every last person doesn't agree with my absolutely correct opinion that all photo enforcement is unconstitutional and should be banned. I never read any counter-arguments to my position because obviously they're crap. I assume any government that employs photo enforcement has been taken over by organized crime and is illegitimate.


I see your complaint and raise you...

All civil citations levied by the government for moving violations should be considered unconstitutional. They should be criminal citations instead. Haul my ass to court and prove that is me in the photo. And let jail time be an option for punishment in addition to the option of paying a fine. Remove the financial incentive.
 
2012-12-03 01:57:53 PM  
Tim Eyman=Horse's Ass

He really needs to have some sort of major financial discombobulation. Can't even imagine how much money this asshole has ended up costing our state in the name of his "small l"" libertarian bullshiat he's been pulling for 15+ years now.
 
2012-12-03 03:20:48 PM  

whidbey: Can't even imagine how much money this asshole has ended up costing our state in the name of his "small l"" libertarian bullshiat he's been pulling for 15+ years now.


I'd say that it is the end result of politics in Washington. The majority of voters don't want Republicans because they tend to be nutjobs, but they don't want to pay for all the programs promoted by Democrats. So they vote in the latter and pass the Eyman initiatives to keep them on a choker.

Except that "starve the beast" policies work really poorly. So the whole system ends up being on giant clusterfark that it is.
 
2012-12-05 05:50:22 AM  

BMulligan: Goodfella: I'm starting to like this Eyman chap.

Sorry to hear about your head injury.




Sorry to hear you like red light cameras.
 
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