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(Science News)   Archaeologists discover engraved stone that proves ancient Chinese were using Roman numerals 30,000 years ago   (sci-news.com) divider line 33
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2012-12-02 11:50:47 AM
i1079.photobucket.com 
They've been known to keep secrets...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-02 11:56:16 AM
That's where the cave bears wiped their claws after eating the former residents.
 
2012-12-02 12:18:00 PM
"Furthermore, creation of such an engraved object may indicate the possible existence of complex communicative systems such as language," he said.

Anatomically and behaviorally modern humans who were physically and mentally indistinguishable from us might have had language? Shocking.

Oh wait, not "shocking." What's the word? Oh yeah, "obvious."
 
2012-12-02 12:21:54 PM
Is this like the old "Russians claim they invented everything" joke?

The blade technology was probably introduced from the Altai region of Russian Siberia, according to comparison between lithic assemblages.

D'oh!
 
2012-12-02 12:48:01 PM
Somebody calls me on the phone
Say hey-hey-hey is Dee Dee home
You wanna take a walk
You wanna go cop
You wanna go get some Chinese rock

I'm livin' on a Chinese rock
All my best things are in hock
I'm livin' on a Chinese rock
Everything is in the pawn shop

The plaster fallin' off the wall
My girlfriend cryin' in the shower stall
It's hot as a biatch
I should've been rich
But I'm just diggin' a Chinese ditch
 
2012-12-02 12:58:44 PM
Why would you put language on the back of a hand tool? "Og the Fierce owns this ax!" ?!?

I thought it might be an early attempt to provide a grip surface, or deliberate scoring of a larger piece to create fracture lines that would break into tool-shapes, but I don't work for the chinese ministry of cultural propaganda, so what do I know?
 
2012-12-02 01:02:16 PM
"one ostrich egg bead"

You wouldn't make a bracelet out of those things, you can't wear more than one or two.
 
2012-12-02 01:06:40 PM

deadsanta: Why would you put language on the back of a hand tool? "Og the Fierce owns this ax!" ?!?


"Property of IIXIV"

I'm IIXIV, I am.
IIXIV, I am, I am.
I got married to ILIV next door,
she'd been married VII times before.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-02 01:13:52 PM
Why would you put language on the back of a hand tool? "Og the Fierce owns this ax!" ?!?

Construction crews paint markings on handles of mobile tools. Two pink stripes, one red stripe, that sort of thing. They work like cattle brands, providing evidence of ownership.
 
2012-12-02 01:35:44 PM
If this is the only example they have it's pretty much bullshiat. Could be anything.
 
2012-12-02 01:51:56 PM
Super cool, didn't realize there was a lime stome with conchoidal fracture.

Limestone with conchoidal Fracture
 
2012-12-02 01:53:27 PM

deadsanta: Why would you put language on the back of a hand tool? "Og the Fierce owns this ax!" ?!?

I thought it might be an early attempt to provide a grip surface, or deliberate scoring of a larger piece to create fracture lines that would break into tool-shapes, but I don't work for the chinese ministry of cultural propaganda, so what do I know?


Could be an incantation to ensure success with the tool.
 
2012-12-02 01:54:55 PM
Blade technology from 30,000 years ago? I bet their data center density sucked!
 
2012-12-02 01:55:15 PM
limestone
 
2012-12-02 01:59:25 PM

EngineerBoy: Blade technology from 30,000 years ago? I bet their data center density sucked!


True enough, the date is shady.
 
2012-12-02 02:21:19 PM

strangeguitar: Somebody calls me on the phone
Say hey-hey-hey is Dee Dee home
You wanna take a walk
You wanna go cop
You wanna go get some Chinese rock

I'm livin' on a Chinese rock...


Hey man, is that Chinese Rock?
 
2012-12-02 02:23:21 PM
This finding as well as the mummy of the "frozen white dude" are seriously troubling to the PRC elites. Here they have this racist-nationalist kick about China being superior and one day dominating the world, and then there comes these little facts that keep reminding them that maybe whitey has some involvement in their ancient civilizations.

They're like creationists who get butthurt mad whenever science pops out new contrary evidence.
 
2012-12-02 02:30:12 PM
...in the 1920s, French archaeologist Henry Breuil observed parallel incisions on the surface of siliceous pebbles. Unfortunately, he did not provide details on those incised pebbles....

That's some fine archeological work there, Lou.
 
2012-12-02 02:44:33 PM

TV's Vinnie: This finding as well as the mummy of the "frozen white dude" are seriously troubling to the PRC elites. Here they have this racist-nationalist kick about China being superior and one day dominating the world, and then there comes these little facts that keep reminding them that maybe whitey has some involvement in their ancient civilizations.

They're like creationists who get butthurt mad whenever science pops out new contrary evidence.



Roman numerals are composed of straight lines, but that really is not an indication that all straight lines are Roman numerals. This incised rock has nothing to do with the Romans. The Romans were not in China 30,000 years ago. There was no Rome then. Subby was making a joke.
 
2012-12-02 02:47:45 PM
Counting with tick marks. So easy a caveman can do it.
 
2012-12-02 04:41:24 PM
MCMRIV

/what Chineses Roman numberals might look loke.
 
2012-12-02 05:03:35 PM
I would proffer the X is a delineator and the lines on either side of it are quantities. It is likely a receipt or possibly a contract for a deal.

It's always about money. Or sex.

/this isn't about sex
//unless I really squint
 
2012-12-02 05:30:40 PM

TV's Vinnie: maybe whitey has some involvement in their ancient civilizations.


30,000 years ago there was no cities, and therefore Rome. But you knew that, right? Please say yes.
 
2012-12-02 05:59:26 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: TV's Vinnie: maybe whitey has some involvement in their ancient civilizations.

30,000 years ago there was no cities, and therefore Rome. But you knew that, right? Please say yes.


This guy did.
artsonearth.com
 
2012-12-02 06:26:38 PM
Tomorrow's headline: After further review, Chinese archaeologists discover stone artifact is actually a primitive map, showing that even 30,000 years ago Tibet and Taiwan were unquestionably part of China
 
2012-12-02 06:51:04 PM

deadsanta: Why would you put language on the back of a hand tool? "Og the Fierce owns this ax!" ?!?

I thought it might be an early attempt to provide a grip surface, or deliberate scoring of a larger piece to create fracture lines that would break into tool-shapes, but I don't work for the chinese ministry of cultural propaganda, so what do I know?


I remember seeing old museum exhibits of Chinese artifacts, and IIRC a lot of old (~2000 BC) currency was shaped like tools. I don't know if that's what this is, but I think we need to consider the possibility that just because this artifact is shaped like a tool, it doesn't necessarily mean that's what it is.
 
2012-12-02 10:32:46 PM

TV's Vinnie: PC LOAD LETTER: TV's Vinnie: maybe whitey has some involvement in their ancient civilizations.

30,000 years ago there was no cities, and therefore Rome. But you knew that, right? Please say yes.

This guy did.
[artsonearth.com image 400x279]


I didn't know Gondor was in China.
 
2012-12-02 10:44:31 PM
That's all any civilization needs is Chinese characters for writing and Roman numerals for numbers. Do the best you can with those. Good luck.
 
2012-12-03 12:05:59 AM

Blue_Blazer: Counting with tick marks. So easy a caveman can do it.


You need the concept of 1 first.

/Questionable dating.
 
2012-12-03 01:23:09 AM
The Chinese 1, 2, 3, and 10 are exactly like Roman numerals, just rotated..
 
2012-12-03 04:10:51 AM
much deeper question

When did they invent Dremmel motortools back 30,000 years ago in order to use a spinning disk to cut those lines into the object?
 
2012-12-05 08:15:35 PM

Rich Cream: I would proffer the X is a delineator and the lines on either side of it are quantities.


X (十) is ten. It is always ten.

Link
 
2012-12-05 11:33:29 PM
Stone Age receipt?
 
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