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2012-12-02 02:51:17 PM

jigger: zvoidx: Lost in the debate is that fact that marijuana supply, especially near urban areas, can be tainted with something or another. Sometimes there are added drugs such as angel dust, crack ore even roach spray. This is done to stay competitive versus regular pot.

Yeah, this is bullshiat. The way to be competitive is to have good weed, not to adulterate it. 

Unless you know something I don't about "urban" areas (projects).


Brown people are poisoning our weed and making white girls give them blowjobs.
 
2012-12-02 02:51:23 PM
DNRTFA

Are they like the quotation marks that Fox uses when they talk about the "poors" that own refrigerators?

Those quotation marks make me want to punch someone in the face.
 
2012-12-02 02:55:49 PM

zvoidx: Lost in the debate is that fact that marijuana supply, especially near urban areas, can be tainted with something or another. Sometimes there are added drugs such as angel dust, crack ore even roach spray. This is done to stay competitive versus regular pot.

Legalizing it would avoid this kind of thing, albeit only in certain situations/areas. Even after legalized, there would still be the potential issue of smoking mass-produced pot containing carcinogenic insecticides. It's true marijuana can make people unmotivated, by are their studies to see the quality of the weed they are smoking versus its side effects?


WTF? No. The only cases of "tainted weed" I've heard of are kids doing it themselves by dipping it in solvent or formaldehyde (Coffin Nails), or adding LSD to it. A dealer who purposefully tainted their weed would lose all their customers instantly, and any legitimate medical dispensary would be facing more than just federal drug charges - they'd be made an example of by the DEA, FBI, FDA, and State Regulatory Authorities.

Most of the insecticides and herbicides used today become inactive or break down into their building-block chemicals when they are vaporized or ignited, most of which are not even near as toxic. To be quite frank, smoking weed has slightly less risk carcinogen wise as a home-rolled cigarette, and just as much risk cardiovascular and pulmonary wise.
 
2012-12-02 03:07:13 PM
Here in Colorado, the introduction of the medical dispenseries has dropped the black market price of weed. It used to be around $350 for an OZ of good stuff. Now it's usually under $250.

No way in hell taxes will make the price "too high".
 
2012-12-02 03:09:48 PM
I never did understand where this idea of pushers lacing weed with other shiat to stay competitive.

First of all i'd really like to MEET a weed pusher. I've never met the kind of dealer that fits that portrayal.

second, coke etc cost MORE than weed. Why would you lose money that way? And peoe arent going to get hooked, they're going to never buy the weed that smoked like electrical tape again.
 
2012-12-02 03:13:50 PM
Ending prohibition isn't enough. I intend to be on the forefront of the antihibition backlash.

/farking hibits
 
2012-12-02 03:18:54 PM

nicoffeine: Brown people are poisoning our weed and making white girls give them blowjobs.


Not to mention
media.fukung.net
 
2012-12-02 03:20:40 PM
Weed is not taxable to any great degree because growing it and curing it is simple to do. This is evident by the fact that so many people do it. People who argue this point are uninformed. Analogy to other production is irrelevant. Potheads typically love to grow their substance of choice. The authorities were effectively able to take methaqualone out of society when they chose to because the technicalities of that situation were different.
 
2012-12-02 03:24:19 PM

Weaver95: As much as the DEA would surely love to arrest everyone in Washington and Colorado, they've got a serious problem here with the legalization efforts. without the help of state and local cops, they can't fight the good fight against cannabis.


Interesting blog post from the Seattle PD on this. I think you're probably correct.
 
2012-12-02 03:27:46 PM

signaljammer: Weed is not taxable to any great degree because growing it and curing it is simple to do. This is evident by the fact that so many people do it. People who argue this point are uninformed. Analogy to other production is irrelevant. Potheads typically love to grow their substance of choice. The authorities were effectively able to take methaqualone out of society when they chose to because the technicalities of that situation were different.


Not really, if you're talking about mass recreational use, especially in urban areas.

It's analogous to tobacco taxation and production. You can grow your own in your back yard, or hydroponically if you want, but 90% of people are not going to go through all that trouble, or even want to dedicate the time to it.

Why would Joe Schmo want to do that when he can take his hard earned paycheck at 2200 at night, go down to the local convenience store, show his ID, and buy commercial pot which has a specific quality and THC content that is guaranteed?
 
2012-12-02 03:30:49 PM

jigger: nicoffeine: Brown people are poisoning our weed and making white girls give them blowjobs.

Not to mention
[media.fukung.net image 500x375]


Where they are going, they need no eyes.
 
2012-12-02 03:32:32 PM
douchebag/hater:
Will pot smokers face the same violations as drunk drivers?

Under the new Washington law, yes.

In fact, it's based on a "THC level in the bloodstream" kinda standard, rather than an "actual impairment" standard.

I'm hoping that gets overturned the first time someone gets busted for "DUI" for having smoked marijuana five days earlier, but we'll see.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever used marijuana, and even I find that appalling.
 
2012-12-02 03:34:44 PM

Juansmith: Weaver95: As much as the DEA would surely love to arrest everyone in Washington and Colorado, they've got a serious problem here with the legalization efforts. without the help of state and local cops, they can't fight the good fight against cannabis.

Interesting blog post from the Seattle PD on this. I think you're probably correct.


I love the fact that the city of Seattle actually capped their post with a video clip of Gandalf getting high on the Hobbit's super skunk. I love living in an area that has a sense of humor about these things.
 
2012-12-02 03:35:18 PM

signaljammer: Weed is not taxable to any great degree because growing it and curing it is simple to do.


You could make this argument about any good or service ever.

Just because I'm capable of building a toolshed by myself doesn't mean I always will. And if I hire someone to do it, then I'll pay taxes on that service.

Ditto vegetables that I buy rather than grow myself.

I'm betting the vast majority would buy rather than grow.
 
2012-12-02 03:35:58 PM

Juansmith: douchebag/hater:
Will pot smokers face the same violations as drunk drivers?

Under the new Washington law, yes.

In fact, it's based on a "THC level in the bloodstream" kinda standard, rather than an "actual impairment" standard.

I'm hoping that gets overturned the first time someone gets busted for "DUI" for having smoked marijuana five days earlier, but we'll see.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever used marijuana, and even I find that appalling.


Are there tests out there that measure actual thc content in blood? The tests i am familiar with only measure the inactive metabolites that stick around for a while.
 
2012-12-02 03:45:06 PM

BronyMedic: signaljammer: Weed is not taxable to any great degree because growing it and curing it is simple to do. This is evident by the fact that so many people do it. People who argue this point are uninformed. Analogy to other production is irrelevant. Potheads typically love to grow their substance of choice. The authorities were effectively able to take methaqualone out of society when they chose to because the technicalities of that situation were different.

Not really, if you're talking about mass recreational use, especially in urban areas.

It's analogous to tobacco taxation and production. You can grow your own in your back yard, or hydroponically if you want, but 90% of people are not going to go through all that trouble, or even want to dedicate the time to it.

Why would Joe Schmo want to do that when he can take his hard earned paycheck at 2200 at night, go down to the local convenience store, show his ID, and buy commercial pot which has a specific quality and THC content that is guaranteed?


Good point. If that product was that easily available and regulated. But I don't think that situation will ever exist, not any time soon anyway. Even here in Colorado, I have no confidence that herb will be commercially available other than medicinally. I think the Feds will eventually challenge and overturn it before any commercial decisions/implementations have been made.

In the meantime, possession is legal right now. Growing your own is legal right now. It will remain this way until the amendment is overturned. I highly doubt that Colorado law enforcement,at any point in the future, is going to pursue personal gardens any more than they do now. So, my prediction for Colorado is that it will eventually be reversed, but possession and personal growth will be somewhat "grandfathered in" from a decrim standpoint.
 
2012-12-02 03:45:46 PM

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: Are there tests out there that measure actual thc content in blood? The tests i am familiar with only measure the inactive metabolites that stick around for a while.


I honestly don't know. I just know that was one of the campaign issues brought up by the odd subset of Washington voters who smoke marijuana and will accept nothing less than full legalization.

I voted for it though - an incremental measure toward the government not wasting money on this any longer is better than nothing.

I'm inclined to say that regardless of the practicality of testing someone's blood for THC content, I'm betting the police really won't bother with it unless they genuinely believe the person to be impaired. And that is a rare position for me. I tend to say "If there's potential for abuse written into the law, it will be abused".

But we'll see. The nice thing about the initiative process in Washington is that this can all be adjusted later if necessary.
 
2012-12-02 03:46:42 PM
What I meant by "easily available" was the regulated, tested and approved-by-a-state-agency marijuana.
 
2012-12-02 03:47:08 PM

joonyer: Even here in Colorado, I have no confidence that herb will be commercially available other than medicinally. I think the Feds will eventually challenge and overturn it before any commercial decisions/implementations have been made.


Retail legalization is going to take both an act of congress (literally, they will have to rewrite Controlled Substance Scheduling laws, and federal drug laws through a legislative act), and FDA approval that it's safe for use over the counter since it's being used currently as a medicinal substance.
 
2012-12-02 03:48:11 PM

BronyMedic: joonyer: Even here in Colorado, I have no confidence that herb will be commercially available other than medicinally. I think the Feds will eventually challenge and overturn it before any commercial decisions/implementations have been made.

Retail legalization is going to take both an act of congress (literally, they will have to rewrite Controlled Substance Scheduling laws, and federal drug laws through a legislative act), and FDA approval that it's safe for use over the counter since it's being used currently as a medicinal substance.


Yup. I totally agree.
 
2012-12-02 05:46:50 PM

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: BSABSVR: Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: the hell are you talking about

The fact that you have zero concept of why people can't or wouldn't grow their own is proof positive that you are a goddamn moron. Pull your head out of your smug asshole for a minute before commenting on the internet.

Do you need a hug?


I'm good. You need a clue?
 
2012-12-02 05:56:49 PM

BSABSVR: Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: BSABSVR: Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: the hell are you talking about

The fact that you have zero concept of why people can't or wouldn't grow their own is proof positive that you are a goddamn moron. Pull your head out of your smug asshole for a minute before commenting on the internet.

Do you need a hug?

I'm good. You need a clue?


Damn, dude. You really need to see someone about your anger issues. PTSD even affects door gunners.

i223.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-02 06:08:41 PM
CNN is run by speds.
 
2012-12-02 06:32:10 PM

sno man: ....and argue the drug is often a gateway to more harmful, addictive substances.

like alcohol?


For me, it was donuts.
 
2012-12-02 06:35:59 PM

Bonobo62: sno man: ....and argue the drug is often a gateway to more harmful, addictive substances.

like alcohol?

For me, it was donuts.


heheh

I'm surprised big junk food hasn't been lobbying for legalization for years...

/cool ranch doritos, here.
 
2012-12-02 07:12:00 PM

BronyMedic: WTF? No. The only cases of "tainted weed" I've heard of are kids doing it themselves by dipping it in solvent or formaldehyde (Coffin Nails), or adding LSD to it. A dealer who purposefully tainted their weed would lose all their customers instantly, and any legitimate medical dispensary would be facing more than just federal drug charges - they'd be made an example of by the DEA, FBI, FDA, and State Regulatory Authorities.


Why would the add LSD to it and ruin a perfectly good drug?
 
2012-12-02 07:18:53 PM

BronyMedic: It's analogous to tobacco taxation and production. You can grow your own in your back yard, or hydroponically if you want, but 90% of people are not going to go through all that trouble, or even want to dedicate the time to it.


Not really that hard. Plant the seeds, fertilize and water the plants. Grow more than you need because you have to dump the males after grabbing some pollen to fertilize a bud of the female for seeds next year. Basically a few minutes a week at most.

Uh, advice from a friend...
 
2012-12-02 08:06:12 PM
www.horrorfilmprops.com
 
2012-12-02 08:43:03 PM

BronyMedic: BSABSVR: Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: BSABSVR: Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: the hell are you talking about

The fact that you have zero concept of why people can't or wouldn't grow their own is proof positive that you are a goddamn moron. Pull your head out of your smug asshole for a minute before commenting on the internet.

Do you need a hug?

I'm good. You need a clue?

Damn, dude. You really need to see someone about your anger issues. PTSD even affects door gunners.


Don't you have a pretend fight to be tough about, captain badass who watches cartoons?

Oh wait. You don't. Pound sand, tool.
 
2012-12-02 08:56:53 PM

BronyMedic: joonyer: Even here in Colorado, I have no confidence that herb will be commercially available other than medicinally. I think the Feds will eventually challenge and overturn it before any commercial decisions/implementations have been made.

Retail legalization is going to take both an act of congress (literally, they will have to rewrite Controlled Substance Scheduling laws, and federal drug laws through a legislative act), and FDA approval that it's safe for use over the counter since it's being used currently as a medicinal substance.


The FDA could simply move marijuana from a class I schedule I drug to a schedule II drug. It wouldn't require any changes to any laws.
 
2012-12-02 09:52:08 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: I haven't heard of any legal marijuana dispensaries selling heroin or crack on the side, have you? With the legalisation of marijuana it ceases to be a gateway drug, because marijuana will be brought out of the shadows where the drug dealers operate and be given a completely different point of sale from the other drugs.


In general pot dealers only sell pot and occasionally some club drugs. The problem with selling coke, speed and heroin is the steady customers for such are generally very dubious people.
 
2012-12-02 11:08:16 PM

BSABSVR: Don't you have a pretend fight to be tough about, captain badass who watches cartoons?

Oh wait. You don't. Pound sand, tool.


You're right, I don't. I live prime time TV every day.

You, on the other hand....

pptranger.net

denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2012-12-02 11:33:33 PM

BronyMedic: BSABSVR: Don't you have a pretend fight to be tough about, captain badass who watches cartoons?

Oh wait. You don't. Pound sand, tool.

You're right, I don't. I live prime time TV every day.

You, on the other hand....


Ooh. You have pictures of ponies! Nifty!I'm sure you're mother thinks you are neat. How are you different than a fat child, just out of curiosity?

And what, you're an emt-b? fark, boy. Stop playing at your ashollery. Adults are talking.
 
2012-12-03 12:00:54 AM

BSABSVR: BronyMedic: BSABSVR: Don't you have a pretend fight to be tough about, captain badass who watches cartoons?

Oh wait. You don't. Pound sand, tool.

You're right, I don't. I live prime time TV every day.

You, on the other hand....

Ooh. You have pictures of ponies! Nifty!I'm sure you're mother thinks you are neat. How are you different than a fat child, just out of curiosity?

And what, you're an emt-b? fark, boy. Stop playing at your ashollery. Adults are talking.


In this thread?
 
2012-12-03 01:19:57 AM
"I smell marijuana" ... it's all a cop has to say to kick down any door without a warrant.
These legalization efforts will be VERY quickly reversed, I guarantee you.
 
2012-12-03 01:23:05 AM

BSABSVR: Ooh. You have pictures of ponies! Nifty!I'm sure you're mother thinks you are neat. How are you different than a fat child, just out of curiosity?

And what, you're an emt-b? fark, boy. Stop playing at your ashollery. Adults are talking.


u18chan.com
 
2012-12-03 01:23:55 AM

sno man: In this thread?


I don't think anyone who can't spell a word like "asshole" properly should lecture others on "acting like an adult". YMMV, of course.
 
2012-12-03 01:40:00 AM

Juansmith: douchebag/hater:
Will pot smokers face the same violations as drunk drivers?

Under the new Washington law, yes.

In fact, it's based on a "THC level in the bloodstream" kinda standard, rather than an "actual impairment" standard.

I'm hoping that gets overturned the first time someone gets busted for "DUI" for having smoked marijuana five days earlier, but we'll see.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever used marijuana, and even I find that appalling.


I'd be cool with that if they get the zombie Xanax users off the road.
 
2012-12-03 05:19:29 AM

Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.


Do you actually know what tobacco taxes are?

The Fed taxes $1.01 per pack and states vary, but mine taxes 84 cents per pack. That's a lot for cigarettes, but if that were the tax on 20 joints or even a quarter ounce it would be hardly be noticed compared to today's prices for pot.
 
2012-12-03 07:57:25 AM

Weaver95: Detractors of marijuana legalization say there are serious health consequences, and argue the drug is often a gateway to more harmful, addictive substances.

those are called 'lies' and people aren't falling for them anymore.


dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-03 11:56:14 AM
TFA: Turn on a television show or open a magazine in the United States today and you're bound to see someone with a drink in hand -- something unthinkable nearly a century ago.

Yup, that's some quality sensationalism, right there. Take note of the subtlety of the execution. Weaker minds would have just glossed over it.
 
2012-12-03 03:54:20 PM

way south: Weaver95: Detractors of marijuana legalization say there are serious health consequences, and argue the drug is often a gateway to more harmful, addictive substances.

those are called 'lies' and people aren't falling for them anymore.

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durr i'm gonna try pot and NEVER try LSD or crack cocaine
 
2012-12-03 04:04:33 PM
Besides:
1) Don't we as a society have enough problems with legalized alcohol?
and
2) How do you rectify stopping tobacco use but allowing marijuana use? Both involve inhaling dangerous substances; if you think that pot is as pure as the driven snow with no known risks you're a willful fool.

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And your degree in medicine is from where, WalMart?
 
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