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2012-12-02 12:26:07 PM  

Taylor Mental: Here's your not really prohibition, dumbfarks. Link


Really, dude?
 
2012-12-02 12:26:47 PM  

Taylor Mental: Here's your not really prohibition, dumbfarks. Link


You may want to slap a NSFW tag on that, btw.

/seems a bit like overkill
 
2012-12-02 12:28:06 PM  
Marihuana impregnated my cat.
 
2012-12-02 12:28:15 PM  
The real issue for the Feds? Uppity States thinking they can DEFY THEIR AUTHORITAY.

If they are allowed to get away with thumbing their noses at federal marijuana laws, what will those sneaky States try next?

Marijuana is a "gateway freedom".
 
2012-12-02 12:29:18 PM  

Ow My Balls: BronyMedic: And anyone who calls marijuana a gateway drug should throw up a red flag, and be seen as unreliable. It's just about as factual as "Reefer Madness" was a documentary.

A couple of Christmases ago, I was arguing with my 50-year-old law enforcement brother-in-law and, in the same room, a younger guy in his twenties also in law enforcement who was dating my niece-in-law, both of them adamant that legalizing marijuana would obviously lead to lots and lots of people suddenly trying harder drugs like Cocaine, and also that we shouldn't condone such dangerous behavior as smoking marijuana in the first place, that people should be sober and with it in general and it's a proper function of the government and the police to force people to be sober, straight and productive members of society for their own good.

At some point, you just smile and nod with these types of people.

/social conservatives for the Fail


yeah I have the same type in my family. One is a member of that DICE team in Nashville.
 
2012-12-02 12:29:41 PM  
I use quotes around "marijuana" because it's a government word that I don't use as a rule.
 
2012-12-02 12:29:51 PM  

special20: Snarfangel: This is the sort of hard-hitting "news" that I expect from CNN.

You'd rather rely on "fair and balanced" from Fox? Go for it, non-thinking person.


Because NPR, PBS, and the BBC don't exist? There is only CNN and FOX and NOTHING else whatsoever? Honestly, that has to be the dumbest farking thing I've heard all morning.
 
2012-12-02 12:30:07 PM  
It was no different when alcohol was banned, Peck said. Despite the American Medical Association saying alcohol had no medicinal value, the Volstead Act, which led to the federal ban on alcohol, stated that no one could prescribe alcohol except "a physician duly licensed to practice medicine" -- much to the delight of the nation's Jay Gatsbys.

My grandfather told stories about how during prohibition his parents would send him and his sister to the pharmacy to pick up "medicinal" ethanol for his parents during prohibition and that the whole adult family would gather to have a party and take the "medicine", typically mixed with other things to make gin or whiskey.
 
2012-12-02 12:31:28 PM  

MFAWG: LlamaGirl: I'm going to go get potted up on weed and drive now.

I actually just smoked the dregs out of last nights bowl, and am loading another one to fire up on the 16th or 17th hole.



See? Marijuana DOES lead to promiscuous sex!
 
2012-12-02 12:32:24 PM  
Al Jazeera? RT? Pacifica? WSWS?
 
2012-12-02 12:35:09 PM  

Hobodeluxe: One is a member of that DICE team in Nashville.


Not long ago where I live in SW Michigan, a news story was proudly heralded on one of our local stations of a large marijuana growing bust by our big drug bust people (It's called K-VET here, I think)...and they mentioned that helicopters were used to extensively to located and to search some more to make sure all of it was confiscated.

I mean, really, people? I want somebody who's anti-legalization to come on here and please explain to me how using farking helicopters is a good and sensible use of tax dollars to keep people from smoking something that grows naturally and helps them feel happy for a little while. Go ahead. I dare you to try and argue for this not being completely farking crazy.
 
2012-12-02 12:37:00 PM  
to extensively to located

Make that, "...to extensively locate..."

I am constantly trying to type things on the computer while a 3-year-old boy is doing his 3-year-old boy things...
 
2012-12-02 12:38:55 PM  

Ow My Balls: Go ahead. I dare you to try and argue for this not being completely farking crazy.


Did you think of the children? No, I don't think you did. Checkmate.
 
2012-12-02 12:42:16 PM  
When I was a children, I smoked weed all the time. In fact, if not for the concurrent acohol consumption, I'm cautiously optimistic that I would have turned out to be a contributing member of society.
 
2012-12-02 12:43:31 PM  

douchebag/hater: It's not.

And this: Seriously, how many people alive now - and smoking dope- were alive when smoking dope was legal?

One? 10?

Not enough to call it 'prohibition' in same way alcohol was prohibited.


LOL. What? Your logic machine is broken. Prohibition is prohibition; it means something is prohibited from being used.


No, people want legalized pot for no other reason than to keep from getting arrested.


Yeah that would be great, instead of locking up a huge segment of the population, A disproportionately darker-skinned segment too.

Will pot smokers face the same violations as drunk drivers?

Yes. Why not?

Will there be a call for 'treatment' centers to deal with all the new cases of pot abuse?

Pot is not really addictive. Not nearly as addictive as cigarettes, alcohol, caffeine, etc. I speak from personal experience.

Be smart and logical about it and don't legalize pot and avoid all the new users.

I think you are the one who needs to be smart and logical.

Besides:
1) Don't we as a society have enough problems with legalized alcohol?


Alcohol is bad so legalizing something much safer is bad? LOL what?

and
2) How do you rectify stopping tobacco use but allowing marijuana use? Both involve inhaling dangerous substances; if you think that pot is as pure as the driven snow with no known risks you're a willful fool.


A) Who is stopping tobacco use? Last time I checked it is still legal and in widespread use. B) Pot seems to be less carcinogenic than cigarettes. In the end though it is a matter of choice. Furthermore, there is no real possibility of overdose with pot, unlike alcohol and many other things.

I hope for your sake that you are a troll and not this dense.
 
2012-12-02 12:44:28 PM  
Same old story, rehashed and updated. Current Admin. ought to simply reschedule the shiat and be done with it.

Facts on the ground haven't altered one iota since the stuff was elevated to evil.

Number of individuals examined/treated in ER's for conditions attributable to marijuana, alone? Zilch
Number of individuals seen in `therapy' for conditions attributable to marijuana, alone? Zilch (the `law' sent them, or they are self-medicating)
Number of calls to Poison Control for complaints arising for use of marijuana, alone? Zilch (though they get plenty of quality control calls, e.g., `can I smoke it if it smells like pee?')
Number of individuals who've expired owing to the use of marijuana, alone? Zilch
Number of tax dollars expended during the past 40 yrs, alone, to suppress so dangerous a scourge? (far worse, innocent folks killed in the crossfire)

Gateway BS? Can't be sure beyond mother's milk/formula - but get back with some hard data, someday...

/growing Castor Bean plants (deer proof ornamentals) every summer - perfectly legal - enough Ricin to take out an army of Bulgarian defectors..
//`doing it wrong, to achieve the `good' is O.K. if one wishes to flail oneself - using my money to flail others? fark off and die
 
2012-12-02 12:47:29 PM  

insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?


Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.
 
2012-12-02 12:52:28 PM  

Crazy Lee: Number of individuals who've expired owing to the use of marijuana, alone? Zilch


Serious question... does that include people who have done stupid shiat when they smoked themselves stupid and gotten killed?

Because I knew a not too bright snowflake who smoked themselves just absolutely braindead one night, and then tried to go to the store to get some mac and cheese. (seriously) he either didn't notice the train, or didn't realize he was stopped past the gates.

Now, he might have done that sober too.. (seriously .. he was an idiot) so would that kind of thing be included in those numbers?

/pro-legalization, but anti-"pot never killed anyone" rhetoric. It's not a good idea to drive stoned... on anything.
 
2012-12-02 12:54:16 PM  

Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.


Ok, sure, but tobacco is not explicitly illegal. Pot will never be legalized with high amounts of taxation. There's too much money in it for the government. I would wager that the government already has a taxation plan mapped out in the event that it is legalized.
 
2012-12-02 12:54:20 PM  

Weaver95: As much as the DEA would surely love to arrest everyone in Washington and Colorado, they've got a serious problem here with the legalization efforts. without the help of state and local cops, they can't fight the good fight against cannabis. they NEED local support, otherwise they don't have enough money to do anything useful.

other than a few flashy high profile actions, the best thing the DEA can do is find someone to make an example of and hope the federal courts reverse what the states are doing.


At some point the federal government is going to have to decide which way they want things to be regarding state enforcement of federal law. See AZ SB1070.
 
2012-12-02 12:54:59 PM  
Let's also not forget that not too long ago "betting on numbers" and other gambling were illegal and now we have lotteries and casinos everywhere.

The only way the government can regulate and control things that people insist on doing is by legalizing it.
 
2012-12-02 12:55:50 PM  

insano: Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.

Ok, sure, but tobacco is not explicitly illegal. Pot will never be legalized without high amounts of taxation. There's too much money in it for the government. I would wager that the government already has a taxation plan mapped out in the event that it is legalized.


Corrected myself.
 
2012-12-02 12:56:35 PM  

JesseL:

At some point the federal government is going to have to decide which way they want things to be regarding state enforcement of federal law. See AZ SB1070.


yeah, but they're gonna do a WHOLE lot of damage in the meantime.
 
2012-12-02 01:02:23 PM  

Shadow Blasko: If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.


I don't understand this. If you're talking by volume then the amount of tobacco in one 20-pack of grade A butts is close to an ounce. The average smoker is one pack a day. A pothead will use an ounce every two weeks on average. I'm just not getting how the tobacco rate on pot would be as onerous as the black market cost?
 
2012-12-02 01:03:12 PM  

germ78: AliceBToklasLives: FTA: "Turn on a television show or open a magazine in the United States today and you're bound to see someone with a drink in hand -- something unthinkable nearly a century ago."

Yes, CNN, a century ago it would have been unthinkable to see someone drinking on TV.

/FTFY


both statements are accurate
 
2012-12-02 01:04:14 PM  

Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.


Only the dumbest among us wouldn't grow it themselves
 
2012-12-02 01:06:35 PM  

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.

Only the dumbest among us wouldn't grow it themselves


not only that, but the tobacco industry specifically engineered cigarettes to be as addictive as possible. you won't have that problem with cannabis. damn, I wish I was being a conspiracy theorist here but it still rocks my world some of the shiat the tobacco companies have gotten away with over the years. anyways, point is that cannabis wouldn't be as easily rendered toxic as it was with tobacco.
 
2012-12-02 01:07:32 PM  

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: Only the dumbest among us wouldn't grow it themselves


You do realize that not everyone has a yard, or a closet they can dedicate to being a grow room right?

Some people also seriously can't even grow mold. I mean.. they THINK about plants and a blight forms somewhere nearby.

Rich Cream: I don't understand this.


I'm talking about the concept of "sin taxes" as a stick to use to keep people from doing things.

Been going on for a very long time. If pot buyers think they are not going to have to deal with that type of behavior by state, and even governments, they are in for a rude awakening.
 
2012-12-02 01:10:16 PM  
Shadow Blasko

Crazy Lee: Number of individuals who've expired owing to the use of marijuana, alone? Zilch

Serious question... does that include people who have done stupid shiat when they smoked themselves stupid and gotten killed?


Separating stupid from `drug effects' is difficult. Here, in MO., a small number of idiots are run over, every year, on paved country roads, because they got drunk and went to sleep on the warm asphalt (road kill). I'm working direct dose dependent effects. We know that over ten thousand die every year from OTC NSAIDS. The last person to die in this State, that I can run down, who actually died from some application of Cannabis Sativa L., was a fellow in Callaway County who was swung off into eternity in 1936, from a length of the twisted fibers of the plant itself. State maintains NO stats on DX's directly attributable to marijuana, alone, nor does the HWP maintain stats on accidents attributable to marijuana, alone (though they always lead with `marijuana' and then, as an afterthought, mention alcohol, when reporting on accidents).
 
2012-12-02 01:15:02 PM  

Crazy Lee: I'm working direct dose dependent effects


Ok.

So in that case, a DWI is not an alcohol related death, it is a stupidity related death. (And seriously.. I am OK with calling it that)

If working from that argument, then yes, I would agree with the premise that pot has killed as close to zero people as to be mathematically insignificant with current information.
 
2012-12-02 01:21:01 PM  
"Each of us has a short ride on this earth and as long as we stay in our lane, and don't affect someone else's ride, we should be allowed to drive as we see fit."

-Rob Thomas
 
2012-12-02 01:22:51 PM  

Weaver95: Detractors of marijuana legalization say there are serious health consequences, and argue the drug is often a gateway to more harmful, addictive substances.

those are called 'lies' and people aren't falling for them anymore.


The ONLY reason why marijuana has been a gateway drug to heroin or crack is because all of them are now illegal, and when a drug dealer digs out some marijuana from his right pocket he may very well offer you some heroin or crack to try from his left pocket.

I haven't heard of any legal marijuana dispensaries selling heroin or crack on the side, have you? With the legalisation of marijuana it ceases to be a gateway drug, because marijuana will be brought out of the shadows where the drug dealers operate and be given a completely different point of sale from the other drugs.
 
2012-12-02 01:23:05 PM  

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: Only the dumbest among us wouldn't grow it themselves


I can grow tobacco, too, but I prefer the convenience of popping into a store and buying a pack of the pre-made. I can also grow my own tomatoes, yet I prefer to buy them from the store for convenience.

I see what you're saying, but trust me, plenty of people (if not the majority) will end up buying it retail when that day comes.
 
2012-12-02 01:30:27 PM  

Taylor Mental: Ender's: Detractors of marijuana legalization say there are serious health consequences,

*bzzzt*

....and argue the drug is often a gateway to more harmful, addictive substances.


*BZZZZZZZZT*

I had coffee this morning. By noon I was chugging down 4 Loco. By the time the sun went down I had hocked my car, lost the house and sold the kids into slavery all for an 8 ball of meth.


You can always make more kids.
 
2012-12-02 01:34:29 PM  
Shadow Blasko

Crazy Lee: I'm working direct dose dependent effects

Ok.

So in that case, a DWI is not an alcohol related death, it is a stupidity related death. (And seriously.. I am OK with calling it that)

If working from that argument, then yes, I would agree with the premise that pot has killed as close to zero people as to be mathematically insignificant with current information.


Any unsafe, driving, for any reason (regardless of cause) is unsafe. Being observed, leaving a bar, stumbling to the car, vomiting on the car, fighting with the keys, and eventually swerving the vehicle into a lampost half-a-block away, is pretty obvious (stupid drunk - easy to id). Marijuana, unless the driver self-reports, e.g., `I smoked up and rear ended the dude' is difficult to determine. However, the NHSA did extensive driving tests in the mid-`90's (minimal impairment - unsafe primarily because they drove too slowly for conditions) and, even with much better testing (and continued lack of self-reporting) and considering that DUI's, overall, for any substance, have been decreasing, marijuana is, at most, a minor contributor (I'd rather be on the road with a thousand potheads than one soccer mom popping prescription xanax with a cellphone in her hand).
 
2012-12-02 01:38:45 PM  
Lost in the debate is that fact that marijuana supply, especially near urban areas, can be tainted with something or another. Sometimes there are added drugs such as angel dust, crack ore even roach spray. This is done to stay competitive versus regular pot.

Legalizing it would avoid this kind of thing, albeit only in certain situations/areas. Even after legalized, there would still be the potential issue of smoking mass-produced pot containing carcinogenic insecticides. It's true marijuana can make people unmotivated, by are their studies to see the quality of the weed they are smoking versus its side effects?

My solution to this situation, (which will never ever happen), is to:
1. Make it legal to buy, but illegal to grow your own
2. Offer the drug lords an opportunity to set up as legitimate corporations
3. Have the U.S. tobacco companies as distributors/co-partners of the legal marijuana product
4. Cut the politicians in on the profit
 
2012-12-02 01:43:32 PM  

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.

Only the dumbest among us wouldn't grow it themselves


Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?
 
2012-12-02 01:51:20 PM  

BSABSVR: Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.

Only the dumbest among us wouldn't grow it themselves

Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?


the hell are you talking about
 
2012-12-02 01:52:52 PM  
I often wonder if there are actually any real proponents of cannabis prohibition left in this sea of trolls.
 
2012-12-02 01:58:42 PM  

ZAZ: Marijuana is a gateway to laughter and creativity. Am I going to hell for that?

A friend thought he was funny and creative when stoned. He was dull and his writing was awful.


Was he any different when he wasn't stoned?
 
2012-12-02 02:07:22 PM  

LlamaGirl: Marijuana is a gateway to laughter and creativity. Am I going to hell for that?


Laughter and creativity are un-American. Start scowling immediately or I'm going to call Homeland Security on you!
 
2012-12-02 02:13:03 PM  

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.

Only the dumbest among us wouldn't grow it themselves


Very few people make their own liquor.
 
2012-12-02 02:17:15 PM  

ltdanman44: "Each of us has a short ride on this earth and as long as we stay in our lane, and don't affect someone else's ride, we should be allowed to drive as we see fit."

-Rob Thomas


If only more people would go by that, especially the part about not effecting someone elses ride.
 
2012-12-02 02:19:44 PM  

zvoidx: Lost in the debate is that fact that marijuana supply, especially near urban areas, can be tainted with something or another. Sometimes there are added drugs such as angel dust, crack ore even roach spray. This is done to stay competitive versus regular pot.

Legalizing it would avoid this kind of thing, albeit only in certain situations/areas. Even after legalized, there would still be the potential issue of smoking mass-produced pot containing carcinogenic insecticides. It's true marijuana can make people unmotivated, by are their studies to see the quality of the weed they are smoking versus its side effects?

My solution to this situation, (which will never ever happen), is to:
1. Make it legal to buy, but illegal to grow your own
2. Offer the drug lords an opportunity to set up as legitimate corporations
3. Have the U.S. tobacco companies as distributors/co-partners of the legal marijuana product
4. Cut the politicians in on the profit


Lost in the debate is the loss of jobs that legalization would bring.

Judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, prison guards, court clerks, etc would all be out of jobs.

Prisons have been touted as recession proof job creators for small towns around the country. A vote for legalization is a vote for less jobs. It will never happen unless another series of actions can be made illegal to generate replacement convicts. 

Perhaps copyright infringement could fill the gap??
 
2012-12-02 02:22:43 PM  

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: the hell are you talking about


The fact that you have zero concept of why people can't or wouldn't grow their own is proof positive that you are a goddamn moron. Pull your head out of your smug asshole for a minute before commenting on the internet.
 
2012-12-02 02:32:02 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: special20: Snarfangel: This is the sort of hard-hitting "news" that I expect from CNN.

You'd rather rely on "fair and balanced" from Fox? Go for it, non-thinking person.

Because NPR, PBS, and the BBC don't exist? There is only CNN and FOX and NOTHING else whatsoever? Honestly, that has to be the dumbest farking thing I've heard all morning.


Hey, those were YOUR thoughts, not mine.
 
2012-12-02 02:33:25 PM  

HempHead: Lost in the debate is the loss of jobs that legalization would bring.

Judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, prison guards, court clerks, etc would all be out of jobs.

Prisons have been touted as recession proof job creators for small towns around the country. A vote for legalization is a vote for less jobs. It will never happen unless another series of actions can be made illegal to generate replacement convicts. 

Perhaps copyright infringement could fill the gap??


It wouldn't really bring in any losses of jobs in the law enforcement sector. The reason pot is still illegal at the federal level is because you have senators and representatives that are bought by special interest groups, tobacco and alcohol industry heads, and because it's hard as fark to change federal drug laws in the United States right now when they can't even agree on a budget for 30 days down the road.

Look at the states with legalization or decriminalization. They're not suddenly laying off massive amounts of cops. In reality, most of them are looking hard for qualified applicants because of the massive losses brought on by retirements, and because of the move by large urban cities to incorporate and absorb outlying rural and unincorporated suburban county areas to maximize their tax bases.
 
2012-12-02 02:36:29 PM  

Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: Shadow Blasko: insano: A) Who is stopping tobacco use?

Most of your argument to those points was well thought out, except this one.

If pot ends up taxed at the levels tobacco is at, no one will be able to afford it.

Only the dumbest among us wouldn't grow it themselves


Most people can't be bothered to grown their own vegetables, so the taxes would have to be sky high to make it worth most people's time.
 
2012-12-02 02:38:10 PM  

BSABSVR: Ebenezer Floppen Slopper: the hell are you talking about

The fact that you have zero concept of why people can't or wouldn't grow their own is proof positive that you are a goddamn moron. Pull your head out of your smug asshole for a minute before commenting on the internet.


Do you need a hug?
 
2012-12-02 02:46:19 PM  

zvoidx: Lost in the debate is that fact that marijuana supply, especially near urban areas, can be tainted with something or another. Sometimes there are added drugs such as angel dust, crack ore even roach spray. This is done to stay competitive versus regular pot.


Yeah, this is bullshiat. The way to be competitive is to have good weed, not to adulterate it. 

Unless you know something I don't about "urban" areas (projects).
 
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