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2012-12-02 08:58:09 AM
5 votes:

sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."



I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

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2012-12-02 10:16:29 AM
4 votes:

DragonNerd: The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).
"the coloreds' uprising."

2012-12-02 09:29:43 AM
4 votes:

NFA: Pud: Well, is anyone actually worried about those sparkly vampires? The werewolves are just kindred souls, and witches are just misunderstood. Now the zombies on the other hand .....

Believe it or not, you can buy both silver plated bullet AND zombie loads. Seriously are gun owners really that stupid? Some gun ranges also hold zombie shoots.


No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun, and you aren't going to hurt anyone's feelings, like if you had a ginger shoot. Plus, if you're prepared for the zombie apocalypse, you're prepared for just about anything, including earthquakes, floods, plagues, etc... It fact, the CDC published a 'zombie preparedness' pamphlet, for that very reason. It's a fun way to game out disaster scenarios without getting all upset because floods, earthquakes, fires and plagues can actually happen and kill people. Sure, there's the occasional nutcase that takes it too far, but for the most part it's all fun and games with the added benefit of actually learning how to survive a disaster that could really happen.
2012-12-02 09:29:40 AM
3 votes:
The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).

Compare with TEOTWAWKI ("The End of the World As We Know It"), which is a long-term collapse of civilization and return to a pre-industrial (likely Dark Ages) lifestyle due to a more extreme disaster (like an asteroid strike).

// kind of looking forward to the Zombie Apocalypse
/ not looking forward to TEOTWAWKI
2012-12-02 01:07:08 PM
2 votes:

3StratMan: Molavian: wildlifer: Nice try comrade
.2/10

Obama's gun record is better than Romney's.

B-b-b-b-but Romney...the new B-b-b-b-but Bush. Doesn't hold any more water.


Christ, you do not grasp this concept at all do you? They're talking about the NRA and their backing the wrong candidate. People are canceling their subscriptions to the NRA because of how they put party before gun rights. It has nothing to do with Romney except that they backed the candidate who was worse for gun rights than Obama. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BLAMING ROMNEY FOR ANYTHING

Jesus. I'd try to explain this with interpretive dance but I don't have a web camera here.
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-12-02 10:00:38 AM
2 votes:

Deacon Blue: No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun


Really? Because there are plenty of gun forums where they're discussing how to make home loaded ammunition with things like wooden stakes soaked in holy water to kill vampires, how to make silver ammunition, what loads are best for certain monsters, etc. . I've been a part of and have socialized with the gun enthusiast community (off line) all my life and I can say without the slightest doubt, that gun enthusiast community has a disproportionately high number of crazy, grossly misinformed and politically extremist people. In short the stereotype IS correct. A smaller but significantly high proportion of the community are driven by fear of virtually everything around them. Get to know them and you'll find that many will sheepishly admit that they own zombie, vampire and werewolf loads, "just in case".  Many gun owners gravitate to firearms ownership because of their fears. Fear of the violent behaviors of others, imaginary or not. Then there are gun owners who were raised shooting firearms and the just find them interesting and fun. Personally, I've never carried or wanted to carry a firearm in public. I've carried handguns and rifles in the woods for fun more times than I can count but I've never felt the need to own a gun for protection from man or imaginary beast but I do believe we should possess that right.
2012-12-02 09:25:35 AM
2 votes:
They're right about the zombie apocalypse, just wrong about who the zombies are. If you want to see a group of unthinking, shambling rubes who are hostile to brains, look no further than the people stocking up on crazy amounts of guns and ammunition because of Obama's reelection/zombies/the end of the world/etc.
2012-12-02 08:13:50 AM
2 votes:
Anyone that buys a firearm because obammy is gunna take our guns is too stupid to own a gun. But if this is the side effect I'm good with it.

"The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."
2012-12-02 03:18:26 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: WinoRhino: Either way, if I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a guy trying to steal my TV, he can have it. I'm not firing. I'm not getting a gun to protect my TV. It's illegal in my state to kill someone for that anyway. I'm getting the gun so if the guy sees that he woke me up and decided he still wants to take my shiat by going through me first, he's getting shot. On the other hand if he decides this wasn't a good idea and wants to leave, I'll simply point him to the door and he can do so. I hope you can see the difference between this and your example, and maybe tone down the "idiot" talk.

Hold on, let me get a pen. What's your address again?

I keed, I keed.


Many years ago in college, to make a point, I tried selling door signs signs that stated: "ATTENTION: We do not believe in killing other human beings. There are, therefore, no guns or other deadly weapons in this home."

The purpose, of course, was to allow anti-gun people to publicly display their ethics and thereby publicly "witness" and set personal examples for their beliefs. Curiously, those these were marketed at anti-gun rallies, I didn't sell a single sign. I even had several people lecture me in various ways, all of which boiled down to: "Are you nuts? Why would I want to advertise that fact to bad guys?"

This led me to the inexorable conclusion that anti-gun people rely for their own protection on the fact that some OTHER people are armed. Home invaders and other potential felons, therefore, may hesitate to transgress because they don't know which homes are armed and which are helpless.

This fact, of course, simply reassures and empowers nuts who want to create massacres at, for example, high schools and colleges which universally ban weapons from campus environs.

That is not to say that allowing weapons on campuses would not have it's own set of problems. But it seems fairly obvious that creating a zone of legally disarmed sheep will, in fact, encourage some people to take advantage of that fact.
2012-12-02 12:55:54 PM
1 votes:
Obama: A gun dealers best friend.
2012-12-02 12:17:59 PM
1 votes:

chuckufarlie: Anybody who uses a fear of Zombie as a reason to buy a gun should be banned from owning gun automatically. Crazy people should not have guns.


I think fear of the zombie apocalypse is more rational than the guys who stock up on guns in case the government gets uppity and they have to straighten shiat out. THAT'S crazy.
2012-12-02 12:10:08 PM
1 votes:
Anybody who uses a fear of Zombie as a reason to buy a gun should be banned from owning gun automatically. Crazy people should not have guns.
2012-12-02 11:42:08 AM
1 votes:

jafiwam: Considering Obama, the head of the democrats has gone on record sympathizing with a low-life thug bent on killing someone over "dissin" him.

It's not surprising people are realizing they'll have to defend themselves.

The Free Stuff Army wants your stuff, and they want it one way or another. When the system breaks down, they'll be looking to take matters into their own hands (more than they already do.)

Zombies are a fun disaster for entertainment purposes, what's going to come out of the cities when the economy collapses is much worse.


And all your guns will be useless against it - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy.
If you want to survive, hold society together - it's your ONLY hope. Without an organized society to protect you, America's white bourgeoise will last about five minutes.
2012-12-02 10:58:25 AM
1 votes:

wildlifer: Void_Beavis: NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

So much this.

Nice try comrade
.2/10


You've obviously never gotten one of the NRA's whaargarble robocalls.
2012-12-02 10:40:31 AM
1 votes:

jafiwam: Considering Obama, the head of the democrats has gone on record sympathizing with a low-life thug bent on killing someone over "dissin" him.

It's not surprising people are realizing they'll have to defend themselves.

The Free Stuff Army wants your stuff, and they want it one way or another. When the system breaks down, they'll be looking to take matters into their own hands (more than they already do.)

Zombies are a fun disaster for entertainment purposes, what's going to come out of the cities when the economy collapses is much worse.


See kiddies, this is how you troll.
2012-12-02 10:36:11 AM
1 votes:

3StratMan: Lesser of two evils is more like it. A case of probably being able to work with one, versus no hope at all of any compromise with the other. When the guy you already have has a my way or the highway attitude, time to try somebody else.


How is Romney the lesser of 2 evils? You saw that sign posted above in this thread. All of that is correct. Obama's done nothing of the sort. How is Romney better for gun rights?. That doesn't make sense.

/and how is Romney not a "my way or the highway" guy? Or republicans in general for that matter
2012-12-02 10:29:52 AM
1 votes:

Abox: About a month ago I was at a ranch shooting with a bunch of rednecks. Say what you will but this is a fun day. I did find it amusing that later in the day they were all cussing about the freedoms we're losing under Obama (I didn't hear a single specific mentioned) while we went about putting away every manner of legal "assault weapon" used that day.


There's pockets of this everywhere, even here in liberal Massachusetts. I went to the gun club with my neighbor. While he was signing in and getting targets I was listening to the members talking in the lounge area. It was a lot of the same type of talk.

"In schools the teachers were telling kids to vote for Obama."
"Ridiculous! It's not education-- it's indoctrination!"
"Damn right!"
"Pretty soon we'll be down here with sling-shots and bubble gum."

And this was in north metro-Boston. Not exactly out in the boonies. I wanted to remind them the reason they couldn't use their AR-15 to shoot anymore was because of Romney, but I let it go.
2012-12-02 10:15:15 AM
1 votes:

NFA: Deacon Blue: No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun

Really? Because there are plenty of gun forums where they're discussing how to make home loaded ammunition with things like wooden stakes soaked in holy water to kill vampires, how to make silver ammunition, what loads are best for certain monsters, etc. . I've been a part of and have socialized with the gun enthusiast community (off line) all my life and I can say without the slightest doubt, that gun enthusiast community has a disproportionately high number of crazy, grossly misinformed and politically extremist people. In short the stereotype IS correct. A smaller but significantly high proportion of the community are driven by fear of virtually everything around them. Get to know them and you'll find that many will sheepishly admit that they own zombie, vampire and werewolf loads, "just in case".  Many gun owners gravitate to firearms ownership because of their fears. Fear of the violent behaviors of others, imaginary or not. Then there are gun owners who were raised shooting firearms and the just find them interesting and fun. Personally, I've never carried or wanted to carry a firearm in public. I've carried handguns and rifles in the woods for fun more times than I can count but I've never felt the need to own a gun for protection from man or imaginary beast but I do believe we should possess that right.


Yeaaaaaah.

I read a number of the most popular gun forums, and I've never, ever seen anyone seriously discussing making holy water bullets or whatever it is you're talking about.

I will agree there are a lot of hardheaded, kooky people out there on the forums, but I find there are just as many people who call them idiots.
2012-12-02 10:11:17 AM
1 votes:
I would expect most anti gun people, and people who don't care one way or another, to not get the point about the whole "zombie' thing. The term has been coined to describe the mindless, crack addicted scum that might be stupid enough to try to rob, rape or kill an innocent victim at a time when both parties know full well that the police are highly unlikely to show up in time to stop some ugly shiat from going down. Sort of like how I now describe the hookers and pimps that I see on Michigan Ave while driving through Inkster on the way to work at 5 AM as "walkers".

Zombie is a pretty good nickname for crack addicted scum who prey on innocent people in my book. Sub human at least.
2012-12-02 10:09:21 AM
1 votes:
I suppose that some people buy guns for that reason.

I'll wager that if 80 million Americans started buying any class of merchandise, e.g., broccoli, a portion of them are buying that to protect themselves from alien attacks, shielding from HAARP. Or zombies.

Humans are dumb. No Subby, even dumber than that. A lot dumber.

Look for religious zealotry (any flavor) and you've found the functional equivalent of zombies.
2012-12-02 10:08:45 AM
1 votes:

starsrift: Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.


I'm getting a gun. There were two home invasions in my town in as many years that resulted in the deaths of the resident. One seems like the kid who got killed was screwing someone over in a drug deal. The other was an elderly man who didn't want to cooperate with the intruders. Generally I think you're right that people don't burglarize a home to cause harm. But I also think people who burglarize as desperate to begin with, and are capable of doing desperate things.

Either way, if I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a guy trying to steal my TV, he can have it. I'm not firing. I'm not getting a gun to protect my TV. It's illegal in my state to kill someone for that anyway. I'm getting the gun so if the guy sees that he woke me up and decided he still wants to take my shiat by going through me first, he's getting shot. On the other hand if he decides this wasn't a good idea and wants to leave, I'll simply point him to the door and he can do so. I hope you can see the difference between this and your example, and maybe tone down the "idiot" talk.
2012-12-02 10:02:21 AM
1 votes:

3StratMan: Mitt Romney ceases do be relevant about anything in this country on November 6th. Playing a twisted sort of "But Bush" game with a guy who DIDN'T get elected as the focal point is more ridiculous yet.


All he's saying is that it was ridiculous for the NRA to back Romney. No one's saying b-b-b-but Romney, no one's blaming Romney for anything. He was just illustrating what partisan morons the NRA is (are, whatever).
2012-12-02 09:51:07 AM
1 votes:
starsrift:
Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

...except that's not true.

If someone's kicking in your door while you're home, they're coming in to cause you some personal damage, and possibly kill you and your family. That part is entertainment for some people, and you won't be able to talk them out of it. They take your stuff after they have their fun, as a bonus.

If they're only coming for the TV and jewelry, they burglarize the place while you're at work - they don't crash through the door while you're watching said TV.
2012-12-02 09:50:34 AM
1 votes:

Void_Beavis: NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

So much this.


"So much this" what???

Mitt Romney ceases do be relevant about anything in this country on November 6th. Playing a twisted sort of "But Bush" game with a guy who DIDN'T get elected as the focal point is more ridiculous yet.
2012-12-02 09:49:33 AM
1 votes:
I personally think that a lot of increases in gun ownership are happening for four reasons.

1) Fear of a new assault weapons ban without a sunset provision (which wouldn't happen for at least 2 more years due to congressional make-up right now)

2) More and more people have come out of the "guns are evil" mindset and are finding out that going to the range, competitive shooting, and collecting (especially historical weapons) is interesting and fun.

3) More people are interested in exercising the rights guaranteed them by the constitution

4) And finally, they're a fantastic investment. Case in point. Mosin Nagants. Before I got my C&R (03-Federal Firearms License) I bought my first Mosin about 5 or 6 years ago. It was $75 from a Pawn Shop in WV. Straight from the arsenal in Bulgaria still covered in cosmoline and wrapped in paper. Now, with my C&R which allows me to transfer firearms 50 years of age or older, or which are on the C&R list across state lines letting me buy direct from importers and wholesalers, round-receiver Mosin Nagants are (on the low end) $100. Most going for $125-$150 WHOLESALE! So figure my Mosin at retail was $50. For Wholesale it was probably $50 or less. They've effectively doubled and tripled in value over 5-6 years. That's a lot better than returns on a lot of stocks and mutuals out there. Just this year, I turned a $500 profit on a M4 profile AR simply by having fun with it for 2 years.
2012-12-02 09:47:12 AM
1 votes:

starsrift:
Don't be an idiot. Most Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.


There are criminals that do want to fark with you and/or your family. Rapists, serial killers, etc. Others who just want your stuff are very desperate and will kill/hurt you if they think you'll turn them in or they'll get caught.
2012-12-02 09:44:07 AM
1 votes:
"They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.
2012-12-02 09:43:02 AM
1 votes:
The thing most people don't realize is how bad a zombie smells.
2012-12-02 09:42:07 AM
1 votes:
Having firearms to stop the zombies is a good idea, but honestly, it's a last resort. Any loud noise like a firearm discharging will do nothing more than alert other zombies to your presence. On the other hand, it's not like you want to get close to them to kill them with an ax or a machete. Too much risk. Best bet is to avoid them and go somewhere that doesn't have zombies.

City dwellers, you're farked.
2012-12-02 09:37:02 AM
1 votes:

nytmare: If the pundit yelling on the TV tells you to buy something, you buy it.


Apple fanatics are well aware of this.
2012-12-02 09:30:26 AM
1 votes:
I manage a gun store.
Zombie ammo, zombie guns, zombie targets, zombie scopes, zombie ammo cans, zombie pre-prepared food

I know it's a crock. My customers know it's a crock. Most people I see buy the crap because it looks cool.

There was a spike right after Obama was elected the first time but that's not the primary driving force behind it now.

/Rockford IL's crime rate is one of the highest in the country.
2012-12-02 09:21:23 AM
1 votes:

Mugato: Mugato: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The owner of my favorite local gun shop just ordered himself an Icon CJ-3 and is considering getting a vanity plate for it reading "THXOBMA."

But, he also stocks tons of "zombie survival" junk to sell to the rubes, too.

Here's to hoping the Teminator goes "shopping" there.

....unless he was sincere. Obama's the best thing to happen to the gun industry since the cold war.


He was sincere. He donated $1,000 to Obama's reelection -- "laundered" through his wife's parents just in case -- and not just because his business has been booming.
2012-12-02 07:53:26 AM
1 votes:
The owner of my favorite local gun shop just ordered himself an Icon CJ-3 and is considering getting a vanity plate for it reading "THXOBMA."

But, he also stocks tons of "zombie survival" junk to sell to the rubes, too.
 
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