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2012-12-02 07:53:26 AM
The owner of my favorite local gun shop just ordered himself an Icon CJ-3 and is considering getting a vanity plate for it reading "THXOBMA."

But, he also stocks tons of "zombie survival" junk to sell to the rubes, too.
 
2012-12-02 08:13:50 AM
Anyone that buys a firearm because obammy is gunna take our guns is too stupid to own a gun. But if this is the side effect I'm good with it.

"The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."
 
2012-12-02 08:13:55 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The owner of my favorite local gun shop just ordered himself an Icon CJ-3 and is considering getting a vanity plate for it reading "THXOBMA."

But, he also stocks tons of "zombie survival" junk to sell to the rubes, too.


Here's to hoping the Teminator goes "shopping" there.
 
2012-12-02 08:15:22 AM

Mugato: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The owner of my favorite local gun shop just ordered himself an Icon CJ-3 and is considering getting a vanity plate for it reading "THXOBMA."

But, he also stocks tons of "zombie survival" junk to sell to the rubes, too.

Here's to hoping the Teminator goes "shopping" there.


....unless he was sincere. Obama's the best thing to happen to the gun industry since the cold war.
 
2012-12-02 08:22:47 AM
"I think (Obama's) going to try and make something happen this time," said Gauhran, who reported Black Friday gun sales shot up 30-35% over his expectations.

Workman agreed. And he said while he can't be sure, he's confident the growing gun ownership is helping to cut crime because more "intelligent" criminals know more people are packing.


Well, I'm convinced.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2012-12-02 08:52:16 AM
Well, is anyone actually worried about those sparkly vampires? The werewolves are just kindred souls, and witches are just misunderstood. Now the zombies on the other hand .....
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-12-02 08:58:09 AM

sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."



I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

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2012-12-02 09:01:00 AM

Pud: Well, is anyone actually worried about those sparkly vampires? The werewolves are just kindred souls, and witches are just misunderstood. Now the zombies on the other hand .....


Believe it or not, you can buy both silver plated bullet AND zombie loads. Seriously are gun owners really that stupid? Some gun ranges also hold zombie shoots.
 
2012-12-02 09:20:30 AM

NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

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"Just how stupid do they think we are"?

Pretty damn. And they're right. You are unfortunately an outlier, NFA.
 
2012-12-02 09:21:23 AM

Mugato: Mugato: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The owner of my favorite local gun shop just ordered himself an Icon CJ-3 and is considering getting a vanity plate for it reading "THXOBMA."

But, he also stocks tons of "zombie survival" junk to sell to the rubes, too.

Here's to hoping the Teminator goes "shopping" there.

....unless he was sincere. Obama's the best thing to happen to the gun industry since the cold war.


He was sincere. He donated $1,000 to Obama's reelection -- "laundered" through his wife's parents just in case -- and not just because his business has been booming.
 
2012-12-02 09:23:42 AM
is it just me that is actually hoping for a zombie apocalypse?
 
2012-12-02 09:25:35 AM
They're right about the zombie apocalypse, just wrong about who the zombies are. If you want to see a group of unthinking, shambling rubes who are hostile to brains, look no further than the people stocking up on crazy amounts of guns and ammunition because of Obama's reelection/zombies/the end of the world/etc.
 
2012-12-02 09:25:55 AM

NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.


So much this.
 
2012-12-02 09:26:10 AM
Right. Very serious is this.
 
2012-12-02 09:29:40 AM
The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).

Compare with TEOTWAWKI ("The End of the World As We Know It"), which is a long-term collapse of civilization and return to a pre-industrial (likely Dark Ages) lifestyle due to a more extreme disaster (like an asteroid strike).

// kind of looking forward to the Zombie Apocalypse
/ not looking forward to TEOTWAWKI
 
2012-12-02 09:29:43 AM

NFA: Pud: Well, is anyone actually worried about those sparkly vampires? The werewolves are just kindred souls, and witches are just misunderstood. Now the zombies on the other hand .....

Believe it or not, you can buy both silver plated bullet AND zombie loads. Seriously are gun owners really that stupid? Some gun ranges also hold zombie shoots.


No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun, and you aren't going to hurt anyone's feelings, like if you had a ginger shoot. Plus, if you're prepared for the zombie apocalypse, you're prepared for just about anything, including earthquakes, floods, plagues, etc... It fact, the CDC published a 'zombie preparedness' pamphlet, for that very reason. It's a fun way to game out disaster scenarios without getting all upset because floods, earthquakes, fires and plagues can actually happen and kill people. Sure, there's the occasional nutcase that takes it too far, but for the most part it's all fun and games with the added benefit of actually learning how to survive a disaster that could really happen.
 
2012-12-02 09:30:26 AM
I manage a gun store.
Zombie ammo, zombie guns, zombie targets, zombie scopes, zombie ammo cans, zombie pre-prepared food

I know it's a crock. My customers know it's a crock. Most people I see buy the crap because it looks cool.

There was a spike right after Obama was elected the first time but that's not the primary driving force behind it now.

/Rockford IL's crime rate is one of the highest in the country.
 
2012-12-02 09:32:20 AM
ZOMB!
 
2012-12-02 09:32:23 AM
The anti-zombie stuff is just to be silly - standard ammo with garish printing on the boxes. It's a marketing thing to get some sales off of shows like "The Walking Dead" and the Resident evil movies.

...although some of it's practical, in a sense. If you prepare for the classic "zombie apocalypse," you're going to be ready for just about anything. Even the government and private response trainers use it as a scenario to throw at their response teams, to get them to think about random events and not be so inflexible. 

For example
 
2012-12-02 09:32:35 AM
Nobody posted the Hornady ZOMBIES ammo pic yet?

I'd do it...but my phone sux.
 
2012-12-02 09:33:10 AM
If the pundit yelling on the TV tells you to buy something, you buy it.
 
2012-12-02 09:34:42 AM
If a gunowner wanted something to actually worry about all one would have to do is look back to the 5-4 SCOTUS Heller decision. Just sayin.

/ and, yes, I'm as 100% sure as you are that NOBODY wants to take away your guns
// as a country we have abosolutely NOTHING in common with the UK or Australia. Hell, we don't even speak the same language
 
2012-12-02 09:34:43 AM
ZombieMax ammo...I mean.
 
2012-12-02 09:34:52 AM

DragonNerd: The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).

Compare with TEOTWAWKI ("The End of the World As We Know It"), which is a long-term collapse of civilization and return to a pre-industrial (likely Dark Ages) lifestyle due to a more extreme disaster (like an asteroid strike).

// kind of looking forward to the Zombie Apocalypse
/ not looking forward to TEOTWAWKI


The end of the world as we know it seems like a good thing have a look around next time your in public
 
2012-12-02 09:35:45 AM

Void_Beavis: NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

So much this.


Nice try comrade
.2/10
 
2012-12-02 09:37:02 AM

nytmare: If the pundit yelling on the TV tells you to buy something, you buy it.


Apple fanatics are well aware of this.
 
2012-12-02 09:38:31 AM

NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

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There is more stupid in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your partisan wetdreams
 
2012-12-02 09:39:49 AM
Is this why I can't find a decent price on a SUB2000?

Here I thought it was rednecks pissing their pants over Obama.
 
2012-12-02 09:41:13 AM
Reg Shoe is not amused.
 
2012-12-02 09:42:07 AM
Having firearms to stop the zombies is a good idea, but honestly, it's a last resort. Any loud noise like a firearm discharging will do nothing more than alert other zombies to your presence. On the other hand, it's not like you want to get close to them to kill them with an ax or a machete. Too much risk. Best bet is to avoid them and go somewhere that doesn't have zombies.

City dwellers, you're farked.
 
2012-12-02 09:42:12 AM
As somebody working in the ammunition manufacturing field I can tell you this whole zombie apocalypse crap plus Obama being re-elected has made for some incredible sales this year.
 
2012-12-02 09:43:02 AM
The thing most people don't realize is how bad a zombie smells.
 
2012-12-02 09:43:46 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Is this why I can't find a decent price on a SUB2000?

Here I thought it was rednecks pissing their pants over Obama.


Decent price? Try finding one for sale at all. You'd think Kel-Tec would increase production.
 
2012-12-02 09:43:56 AM
Zombies, meh.
Waiting for earth crust displacement to sort everything out
 
2012-12-02 09:44:07 AM
"They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.
 
2012-12-02 09:45:34 AM

K_Trout: The thing most people don't realize is how bad a zombie smells.


You eat a steady diet of brains and see how bad the gas is. Worse than a diet of baked beans, eggs, and draft beer.
 
2012-12-02 09:47:12 AM

starsrift:
Don't be an idiot. Most Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.


There are criminals that do want to fark with you and/or your family. Rapists, serial killers, etc. Others who just want your stuff are very desperate and will kill/hurt you if they think you'll turn them in or they'll get caught.
 
2012-12-02 09:49:09 AM
So what sort of ammo should I use for fast zombies?
 
2012-12-02 09:49:33 AM
I personally think that a lot of increases in gun ownership are happening for four reasons.

1) Fear of a new assault weapons ban without a sunset provision (which wouldn't happen for at least 2 more years due to congressional make-up right now)

2) More and more people have come out of the "guns are evil" mindset and are finding out that going to the range, competitive shooting, and collecting (especially historical weapons) is interesting and fun.

3) More people are interested in exercising the rights guaranteed them by the constitution

4) And finally, they're a fantastic investment. Case in point. Mosin Nagants. Before I got my C&R (03-Federal Firearms License) I bought my first Mosin about 5 or 6 years ago. It was $75 from a Pawn Shop in WV. Straight from the arsenal in Bulgaria still covered in cosmoline and wrapped in paper. Now, with my C&R which allows me to transfer firearms 50 years of age or older, or which are on the C&R list across state lines letting me buy direct from importers and wholesalers, round-receiver Mosin Nagants are (on the low end) $100. Most going for $125-$150 WHOLESALE! So figure my Mosin at retail was $50. For Wholesale it was probably $50 or less. They've effectively doubled and tripled in value over 5-6 years. That's a lot better than returns on a lot of stocks and mutuals out there. Just this year, I turned a $500 profit on a M4 profile AR simply by having fun with it for 2 years.
 
2012-12-02 09:50:30 AM
I just took my mandatory gun safety class to get my license to carry in Massachusetts. The class had 30 or so people in it. Aside from a couple military folks who had just moved to the area, the class consisted of young 20-somethings in NFL jerseys asking questions such as, "So if I have a class "A" license (carry concealed) I can bring my gun into the Garden at a Celtics game and no one can say shiat?" The instructor told them that no one will say anything because they will never know you're carrying because the gun should be CONCEALED. The kid pressed on, presenting scenarios in which he's pulling the gun out in the stands to break up a fight. Bottom line, between these buffoons and some of the anti-Obama gun nuts, there are a lot of REALLY stupid people out there getting guns.

NFA: Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.


As a Massachusetts resident I loved reading the Romney quotes about being a hunter:
"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." (Romney's campaign later said he'd been hunting twice, once when he was 15, and once in 2006 at a Republican fundraiser.) "I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear. I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will." He later admitted to saying such things only to win the NRA endorsement. Regardless, in the above-mentioned class the instructor (NRA member) mentioned multiple times that Romney was far more worrisome to him with regards to gun rights than Obama. He also discussed the assault weapon ban in Massachusetts and how ridiculous it was.
 
2012-12-02 09:50:34 AM

Void_Beavis: NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

So much this.


"So much this" what???

Mitt Romney ceases do be relevant about anything in this country on November 6th. Playing a twisted sort of "But Bush" game with a guy who DIDN'T get elected as the focal point is more ridiculous yet.
 
2012-12-02 09:51:07 AM
starsrift:
Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

...except that's not true.

If someone's kicking in your door while you're home, they're coming in to cause you some personal damage, and possibly kill you and your family. That part is entertainment for some people, and you won't be able to talk them out of it. They take your stuff after they have their fun, as a bonus.

If they're only coming for the TV and jewelry, they burglarize the place while you're at work - they don't crash through the door while you're watching said TV.
 
2012-12-02 09:52:54 AM
It's a common consumption disorder. Gun-fappers who have to go out and buy this gun or that one to feel good are no different than women who have 300 pairs of shoes.
 
2012-12-02 09:53:52 AM
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2012-12-02 09:54:42 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Is this why I can't find a decent price on a SUB2000?

Here I thought it was rednecks pissing their pants over Obama.


Pain in the ass gun to get. I see 5-6 per year in my store. Everyone wants the glock mag version.
 
2012-12-02 09:54:49 AM

jso2897: It's a common consumption disorder. Gun-fappers who have to go out and buy this gun or that one to feel good are no different than women who have 300 pairs of shoes.


My girlfriend has made a similar observation, but about guns vs. designer purses.
 
2012-12-02 09:55:33 AM
www.hornady.com
 
2012-12-02 09:55:50 AM

starsrift: "They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.



There are many, many more where this came from....in this metro area alone.

Link

Authorities in Marietta are trying to find the man who broke into a home on Hazel Street, and assaulted and robbed an elderly woman.

'Investigators with the Marietta Police Department say a man forced his way into the home early Sunday morning. They say the man overpowered the victim, and threatened her if she did not cooperate. He made off with cash and jewelry.

"It's shocking, a home invasion," said a neighbor.



Stop calling people idiots.....idiot.
 
2012-12-02 09:58:41 AM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: So what sort of ammo should I use for fast zombies?


ZMax
 
2012-12-02 09:59:49 AM
Newsflash: Zombies are already dead.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-12-02 10:00:38 AM

Deacon Blue: No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun


Really? Because there are plenty of gun forums where they're discussing how to make home loaded ammunition with things like wooden stakes soaked in holy water to kill vampires, how to make silver ammunition, what loads are best for certain monsters, etc. . I've been a part of and have socialized with the gun enthusiast community (off line) all my life and I can say without the slightest doubt, that gun enthusiast community has a disproportionately high number of crazy, grossly misinformed and politically extremist people. In short the stereotype IS correct. A smaller but significantly high proportion of the community are driven by fear of virtually everything around them. Get to know them and you'll find that many will sheepishly admit that they own zombie, vampire and werewolf loads, "just in case".  Many gun owners gravitate to firearms ownership because of their fears. Fear of the violent behaviors of others, imaginary or not. Then there are gun owners who were raised shooting firearms and the just find them interesting and fun. Personally, I've never carried or wanted to carry a firearm in public. I've carried handguns and rifles in the woods for fun more times than I can count but I've never felt the need to own a gun for protection from man or imaginary beast but I do believe we should possess that right.
 
2012-12-02 10:01:38 AM
Considering Obama, the head of the democrats has gone on record sympathizing with a low-life thug bent on killing someone over "dissin" him.

It's not surprising people are realizing they'll have to defend themselves.

The Free Stuff Army wants your stuff, and they want it one way or another. When the system breaks down, they'll be looking to take matters into their own hands (more than they already do.)

Zombies are a fun disaster for entertainment purposes, what's going to come out of the cities when the economy collapses is much worse.
 
2012-12-02 10:02:21 AM

3StratMan: Mitt Romney ceases do be relevant about anything in this country on November 6th. Playing a twisted sort of "But Bush" game with a guy who DIDN'T get elected as the focal point is more ridiculous yet.


All he's saying is that it was ridiculous for the NRA to back Romney. No one's saying b-b-b-but Romney, no one's blaming Romney for anything. He was just illustrating what partisan morons the NRA is (are, whatever).
 
2012-12-02 10:07:45 AM

NFA: Deacon Blue: No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun

Really? Because there are plenty of gun forums where they're discussing how to make home loaded ammunition with things like wooden stakes soaked in holy water to kill vampires, how to make silver ammunition, what loads are best for certain monsters, etc. . I've been a part of and have socialized with the gun enthusiast community (off line) all my life and I can say without the slightest doubt, that gun enthusiast community has a disproportionately high number of crazy, grossly misinformed and politically extremist people. In short the stereotype IS correct. A smaller but significantly high proportion of the community are driven by fear of virtually everything around them. Get to know them and you'll find that many will sheepishly admit that they own zombie, vampire and werewolf loads, "just in case".  Many gun owners gravitate to firearms ownership because of their fears. Fear of the violent behaviors of others, imaginary or not. Then there are gun owners who were raised shooting firearms and the just find them interesting and fun. Personally, I've never carried or wanted to carry a firearm in public. I've carried handguns and rifles in the woods for fun more times than I can count but I've never felt the need to own a gun for protection from man or imaginary beast but I do believe we should possess that right.


That's just what Ash said before he went into that cabin in the woods
 
2012-12-02 10:08:45 AM

starsrift: Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.


I'm getting a gun. There were two home invasions in my town in as many years that resulted in the deaths of the resident. One seems like the kid who got killed was screwing someone over in a drug deal. The other was an elderly man who didn't want to cooperate with the intruders. Generally I think you're right that people don't burglarize a home to cause harm. But I also think people who burglarize as desperate to begin with, and are capable of doing desperate things.

Either way, if I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a guy trying to steal my TV, he can have it. I'm not firing. I'm not getting a gun to protect my TV. It's illegal in my state to kill someone for that anyway. I'm getting the gun so if the guy sees that he woke me up and decided he still wants to take my shiat by going through me first, he's getting shot. On the other hand if he decides this wasn't a good idea and wants to leave, I'll simply point him to the door and he can do so. I hope you can see the difference between this and your example, and maybe tone down the "idiot" talk.
 
2012-12-02 10:09:21 AM
I suppose that some people buy guns for that reason.

I'll wager that if 80 million Americans started buying any class of merchandise, e.g., broccoli, a portion of them are buying that to protect themselves from alien attacks, shielding from HAARP. Or zombies.

Humans are dumb. No Subby, even dumber than that. A lot dumber.

Look for religious zealotry (any flavor) and you've found the functional equivalent of zombies.
 
2012-12-02 10:09:53 AM

NFA: Pud: Well, is anyone actually worried about those sparkly vampires? The werewolves are just kindred souls, and witches are just misunderstood. Now the zombies on the other hand .....

Believe it or not, you can buy both silver plated bullet AND zombie loads. Seriously are gun owners really that stupid? Some gun ranges also hold zombie shoots.


The gun range thing is just for fun.

There is a tiny minority of people stupid enough to think they zombies might someday be a thing.

Then again, we live in a country where people think than airplanes are spraying us with dangerous chemicals, that the US
Government is responsible for 9/11, that homeopathy works, that ghosts and God are real, or that we actually lost the Iraq war.
 
2012-12-02 10:10:03 AM
Well, if a noted gun rights advocate was reported to have said it,it must be true. That's all I need to hear.
 
2012-12-02 10:10:24 AM

WinoRhino: Either way, if I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a guy trying to steal my TV, he can have it. I'm not firing. I'm not getting a gun to protect my TV. It's illegal in my state to kill someone for that anyway. I'm getting the gun so if the guy sees that he woke me up and decided he still wants to take my shiat by going through me first, he's getting shot. On the other hand if he decides this wasn't a good idea and wants to leave, I'll simply point him to the door and he can do so. I hope you can see the difference between this and your example, and maybe tone down the "idiot" talk.


Hold on, let me get a pen. What's your address again?

I keed, I keed.
 
2012-12-02 10:11:17 AM
I would expect most anti gun people, and people who don't care one way or another, to not get the point about the whole "zombie' thing. The term has been coined to describe the mindless, crack addicted scum that might be stupid enough to try to rob, rape or kill an innocent victim at a time when both parties know full well that the police are highly unlikely to show up in time to stop some ugly shiat from going down. Sort of like how I now describe the hookers and pimps that I see on Michigan Ave while driving through Inkster on the way to work at 5 AM as "walkers".

Zombie is a pretty good nickname for crack addicted scum who prey on innocent people in my book. Sub human at least.
 
2012-12-02 10:12:29 AM
I bought mine because I'm a homeowner now. If anybody decides to try something stupid like break into my house while I'm here, they're getting shot.
 
2012-12-02 10:14:00 AM
I love pop culture but I can't understand the zombie thing. They aren't hot like vampires and werewolves, they aren't real, they aren't cool. I seem to be the lone voice saying "WTF is with the zombie fad?" I have NO idea what makes zombies so appealing or why people are so into them.

/my lawn, get off it
//stop liking what I don't like *shakes tiny fist of rage*
 
2012-12-02 10:15:15 AM

NFA: Deacon Blue: No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun

Really? Because there are plenty of gun forums where they're discussing how to make home loaded ammunition with things like wooden stakes soaked in holy water to kill vampires, how to make silver ammunition, what loads are best for certain monsters, etc. . I've been a part of and have socialized with the gun enthusiast community (off line) all my life and I can say without the slightest doubt, that gun enthusiast community has a disproportionately high number of crazy, grossly misinformed and politically extremist people. In short the stereotype IS correct. A smaller but significantly high proportion of the community are driven by fear of virtually everything around them. Get to know them and you'll find that many will sheepishly admit that they own zombie, vampire and werewolf loads, "just in case".  Many gun owners gravitate to firearms ownership because of their fears. Fear of the violent behaviors of others, imaginary or not. Then there are gun owners who were raised shooting firearms and the just find them interesting and fun. Personally, I've never carried or wanted to carry a firearm in public. I've carried handguns and rifles in the woods for fun more times than I can count but I've never felt the need to own a gun for protection from man or imaginary beast but I do believe we should possess that right.


Yeaaaaaah.

I read a number of the most popular gun forums, and I've never, ever seen anyone seriously discussing making holy water bullets or whatever it is you're talking about.

I will agree there are a lot of hardheaded, kooky people out there on the forums, but I find there are just as many people who call them idiots.
 
2012-12-02 10:16:27 AM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: So what sort of ammo should I use for fast zombies?


Well, most bullets go reasonably fast. I'm a shotgun man myself though, since I found how readily my HALO shotgun skills translated to shooting range skills. I figure you want to make their head go kablooey and that's what it does to zombie head analogues.

It's really just for getting zombies off the truck, anyway. My codriver is a good diesel mechanic and welder and he has designs for an easy to assemble zombie catcher for the front of the truck. The goal is to not need to shoot very much anyway. I just want to yell "This is my boomstick!" as we pile through zombies. I figure DoT probably won't care that much about guns in trucks at that point.
 
2012-12-02 10:16:29 AM

DragonNerd: The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).
"the coloreds' uprising."

 
2012-12-02 10:19:06 AM

starsrift: "They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.


So true. I live in the midwest where (in my opinion) most people have never lived in a dangerous neighborhood. There have been some car break ins (in some cases the cars were UNLOCKED and in others valuable items like laptops were left in plain site) and my neighbors are so up in arms talking about their guns and how they're gonna get these thieves. Or how they think they need to move because it is too dangerous here.

All those guns you're buying are not going to help because I don't think the thieves are going to break in while you're home.And if you don't have a nice gun safe they'd be happy to steal your guns too...
 
2012-12-02 10:20:01 AM
Even the CDC is touting te zombie apocalypse. Not because it is a viable threat, ut because the imaginary threat could be used in place of any number of emergency scenarios. Look at Katrina, people tat were prepared for a few days without food, fresh water, and law enforcement fared much better than the guy with the recycle bin full of Heineken.
 
2012-12-02 10:21:49 AM

BolloxReader: Well, most bullets go reasonably fast. I'm a shotgun man myself though


Yeah but you have a to pump a shotgun after every shot. If a horde of fast zombies are coming down on you, you wouldn't get them fast enough. An Uzi, only something that has a bigger magazine would be better.
 
2012-12-02 10:22:07 AM
About a month ago I was at a ranch shooting with a bunch of rednecks. Say what you will but this is a fun day. I did find it amusing that later in the day they were all cussing about the freedoms we're losing under Obama (I didn't hear a single specific mentioned) while we went about putting away every manner of legal "assault weapon" used that day.
 
2012-12-02 10:23:29 AM

coldf33t: starsrift: "They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.

There are many, many more where this came from....in this metro area alone.

Link

Authorities in Marietta are trying to find the man who broke into a home on Hazel Street, and assaulted and robbed an elderly woman.

'Investigators with the Marietta Police Department say a man forced his way into the home early Sunday morning. They say the man overpowered the victim, and threatened her if she did not cooperate. He made off with cash and jewelry.

"It's shocking, a home invasion," said a neighbor.


Stop calling people idiots.....idiot.


It's my experience that home invasion robberies are much more common in low income neighborhoods. Middle and upper-middle class homes are more likely to have security systems, neighbors willing to get involved and fast-response cops. Then there's the whole phenomenon that's very underreported: black home invaders targeting Hispanics, since many Hispanics are here illegally and won't call the cops, and even those here legally, like many other immigrant communities, are less likely to call the police.
 
2012-12-02 10:24:49 AM

Mugato: BolloxReader: Well, most bullets go reasonably fast. I'm a shotgun man myself though

Yeah but you have a to pump a shotgun after every shot.



Only if it's a pump shotgun.
 
2012-12-02 10:27:04 AM

3StratMan: I would expect most anti gun people, and people who don't care one way or another, to not get the point about the whole "zombie' thing. The term has been coined to describe the mindless, crack addicted scum that might be stupid enough to try to rob, rape or kill an innocent victim at a time when both parties know full well that the police are highly unlikely to show up in time to stop some ugly shiat from going down. Sort of like how I now describe the hookers and pimps that I see on Michigan Ave while driving through Inkster on the way to work at 5 AM as "walkers".

Zombie is a pretty good nickname for crack addicted scum who prey on innocent people in my book. Sub human at least.


Yeah, Michigan Ave through Inkster pretty much any time of the day. Not sure if the non-Detroiters get the reference. You should link a Google maps road view.
 
2012-12-02 10:29:52 AM

Abox: About a month ago I was at a ranch shooting with a bunch of rednecks. Say what you will but this is a fun day. I did find it amusing that later in the day they were all cussing about the freedoms we're losing under Obama (I didn't hear a single specific mentioned) while we went about putting away every manner of legal "assault weapon" used that day.


There's pockets of this everywhere, even here in liberal Massachusetts. I went to the gun club with my neighbor. While he was signing in and getting targets I was listening to the members talking in the lounge area. It was a lot of the same type of talk.

"In schools the teachers were telling kids to vote for Obama."
"Ridiculous! It's not education-- it's indoctrination!"
"Damn right!"
"Pretty soon we'll be down here with sling-shots and bubble gum."

And this was in north metro-Boston. Not exactly out in the boonies. I wanted to remind them the reason they couldn't use their AR-15 to shoot anymore was because of Romney, but I let it go.
 
2012-12-02 10:29:52 AM
Well if they all bought American guns then that's good for the economy as well.
 
2012-12-02 10:30:04 AM

Mugato: 3StratMan: Mitt Romney ceases do be relevant about anything in this country on November 6th. Playing a twisted sort of "But Bush" game with a guy who DIDN'T get elected as the focal point is more ridiculous yet.

All he's saying is that it was ridiculous for the NRA to back Romney. No one's saying b-b-b-but Romney, no one's blaming Romney for anything. He was just illustrating what partisan morons the NRA is (are, whatever).


Lesser of two evils is more like it. A case of probably being able to work with one, versus no hope at all of any compromise with the other. When the guy you already have has a my way or the highway attitude, time to try somebody else.
 
2012-12-02 10:31:06 AM

Mugato: BolloxReader: Well, most bullets go reasonably fast. I'm a shotgun man myself though

Yeah but you have a to pump a shotgun after every shot. If a horde of fast zombies are coming down on you, you wouldn't get them fast enough. An Uzi, only something that has a bigger magazine would be better.


The Saiga-12 and AA-12 would like to have a word with you. As would a host of more traditional high-end semi-auto trap guns.
 
2012-12-02 10:31:42 AM

Mugato: Hold on, let me get a pen. What's your address again?

I keed, I keed.


152 Charlemagne Rd.
Just wait until after the Ravens game is over then the TV is all yours.
 
2012-12-02 10:36:11 AM

3StratMan: Lesser of two evils is more like it. A case of probably being able to work with one, versus no hope at all of any compromise with the other. When the guy you already have has a my way or the highway attitude, time to try somebody else.


How is Romney the lesser of 2 evils? You saw that sign posted above in this thread. All of that is correct. Obama's done nothing of the sort. How is Romney better for gun rights?. That doesn't make sense.

/and how is Romney not a "my way or the highway" guy? Or republicans in general for that matter
 
2012-12-02 10:36:33 AM

sammyk: Anyone that buys a firearm because obammy is gunna take our guns is too stupid to own a gun.


I'm anticipating being able to pick up guns cheap when they realize they can't make their credit card payments.
 
2012-12-02 10:36:46 AM
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Yeah this stuff...all you fellow gun owning 'real Americans'...PSA for your own good. STOP with all the John Wayne gunstore cowboy zombie killing crap. You idiots that act like the budget stamped AK you got at Cabelas is an extension of your dick or something? WTF? This is not how grown men and women conduct themselves. Certainly not how RESPONSIBLE stewards of gun rights conduct themselves. You are trivializing something that is too important. And everytime you carry on about your zombie killing ammo, accessories, unsolicited prepper advice and sage wisdom of just how its gonna be when SHTF...WTF? Come into the daylight. Hike the stairs up from your mothers basement and unbarricade the doors on the double wides...you are NOT helping!

 
2012-12-02 10:37:42 AM

spidermilk: I live in the midwest where (in my opinion) most people have never lived in a dangerous neighborhood


So Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, St Louis, and Kansas City arent in the Midwest?
 
2012-12-02 10:39:25 AM

Straelbora: 3StratMan: I would expect most anti gun people, and people who don't care one way or another, to not get the point about the whole "zombie' thing. The term has been coined to describe the mindless, crack addicted scum that might be stupid enough to try to rob, rape or kill an innocent victim at a time when both parties know full well that the police are highly unlikely to show up in time to stop some ugly shiat from going down. Sort of like how I now describe the hookers and pimps that I see on Michigan Ave while driving through Inkster on the way to work at 5 AM as "walkers".

Zombie is a pretty good nickname for crack addicted scum who prey on innocent people in my book. Sub human at least.

Yeah, Michigan Ave through Inkster pretty much any time of the day. Not sure if the non-Detroiters get the reference. You should link a Google maps road view.


You're right. I just notice them more at 5 AM because there is hardly anyone on the road but me. On the way home at 2PM is a little different. A lot more traffic on the road, and I have to keep an eye out for the clown that wants to cut across 4 lanes of traffic because he decides he wants to turn right onto Inkster Road from the left lane about 100 feet before the intersection. Don't notice the "walkers" so much while that is going on.
 
2012-12-02 10:40:31 AM

jafiwam: Considering Obama, the head of the democrats has gone on record sympathizing with a low-life thug bent on killing someone over "dissin" him.

It's not surprising people are realizing they'll have to defend themselves.

The Free Stuff Army wants your stuff, and they want it one way or another. When the system breaks down, they'll be looking to take matters into their own hands (more than they already do.)

Zombies are a fun disaster for entertainment purposes, what's going to come out of the cities when the economy collapses is much worse.


See kiddies, this is how you troll.
 
2012-12-02 10:44:34 AM
Hugemeister:
Yeah this stuff...all you fellow gun owning 'real Americans'...PSA for your own good. STOP with all the John Wayne gunstore cowboy zombie killing crap.

A better idea would be "Hey, Hugemeister! Get a freakin' SENSE OF HUMOR!"

It's like that idiot upthread who took a silly anti-zombie thread on some gun discussion board seriously. 

Yes, firearms are serious - but nothing is so serious that you can't make some fun with it. At least, that's what the Democrats have been saying for the last half-century or so.
 
2012-12-02 10:45:38 AM
I'm glad I have a pistol for the Zombie Apocalypse. I spent the first two turns stuck with the frying pan.

Obscure?
 
2012-12-02 10:45:58 AM

Mugato: 3StratMan: Lesser of two evils is more like it. A case of probably being able to work with one, versus no hope at all of any compromise with the other. When the guy you already have has a my way or the highway attitude, time to try somebody else.

How is Romney the lesser of 2 evils? You saw that sign posted above in this thread. All of that is correct. Obama's done nothing of the sort. How is Romney better for gun rights?. That doesn't make sense.

/and how is Romney not a "my way or the highway" guy? Or republicans in general for that matter


Like I said earlier, Romney arguments stopped being valid on November 6. "But Romney", just like "But Bush", means nothing. Obama's in the driver's seat, so it's all still about him, what he's already done, hasn't done, or is going to do.
 
2012-12-02 10:45:59 AM

coldf33t: ...'Investigators with the Marietta Police Department say a man forced his way into the home early Sunday morning. They say the man overpowered the victim, and threatened her if she did not cooperate. He made off with cash and jewelry(emphasis yours)....

Stop calling people idiots.....idiot.


Pretty much my point.

WinoRhino: Either way, if I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a guy trying to steal my TV, he can have it. I'm not firing. I'm not getting a gun to protect my TV. It's illegal in my state to kill someone for that anyway. I'm getting the gun so if the guy sees that he woke me up and decided he still wants to take my shiat by going through me first, he's getting shot. On the other hand if he decides this wasn't a good idea and wants to leave, I'll simply point him to the door and he can do so.


That's pretty reasonable. Fair enough.

I hope you can see the difference between this and your example, and maybe tone down the "idiot" talk.
Tone down the idiot talk? Now you're talking madness; this is Fark!
 
2012-12-02 10:48:02 AM

ronaprhys: Having firearms to stop the zombies is a good idea, but honestly, it's a last resort. Any loud noise like a firearm discharging will do nothing more than alert other zombies to your presence. On the other hand, it's not like you want to get close to them to kill them with an ax or a machete. Too much risk. Best bet is to avoid them and go somewhere that doesn't have zombies.

City dwellers, you're farked.


Also, cardio.
 
2012-12-02 10:48:14 AM

AcneVulgaris: sammyk: Anyone that buys a firearm because obammy is gunna take our guns is too stupid to own a gun.

I'm anticipating being able to pick up guns cheap when they realize they can't make their credit card payments.


Good call. Reminds me I was going to shop for a used motorcycle this winter.
 
2012-12-02 10:50:01 AM

starsrift: coldf33t: ...'Investigators with the Marietta Police Department say a man forced his way into the home early Sunday morning. They say the man overpowered the victim, and threatened her if she did not cooperate. He made off with cash and jewelry(emphasis yours)....

Stop calling people idiots.....idiot.

Pretty much my point.

Which is...?

 
2012-12-02 10:53:03 AM
Watching the sneer on the gun shop guy's face on TV as he was saying how much gun sales went up tells the whole story. That and his bank account.

Each time he recited his litany of conspiracy theories with feigned concerned, it was all he could do to keep a smile from breaking out thinking about how the rubes had just built a second story on his yacht.
 
2012-12-02 10:58:16 AM

WinoRhino: Abox: About a month ago I was at a ranch shooting with a bunch of rednecks. Say what you will but this is a fun day. I did find it amusing that later in the day they were all cussing about the freedoms we're losing under Obama (I didn't hear a single specific mentioned) while we went about putting away every manner of legal "assault weapon" used that day.

There's pockets of this everywhere, even here in liberal Massachusetts. I went to the gun club with my neighbor. While he was signing in and getting targets I was listening to the members talking in the lounge area. It was a lot of the same type of talk.

"In schools the teachers were telling kids to vote for Obama."
"Ridiculous! It's not education-- it's indoctrination!"
"Damn right!"
"Pretty soon we'll be down here with sling-shots and bubble gum."

And this was in north metro-Boston. Not exactly out in the boonies. I wanted to remind them the reason they couldn't use their AR-15 to shoot anymore was because of Romney, but I let it go.



Me too. When the apocalypse hits, this ranch is where I'm heading so I have to stay in favor.
 
2012-12-02 10:58:25 AM

wildlifer: Void_Beavis: NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

So much this.

Nice try comrade
.2/10


You've obviously never gotten one of the NRA's whaargarble robocalls.
 
2012-12-02 11:01:52 AM

3StratMan: Like I said earlier, Romney arguments stopped being valid on November 6. "But Romney", just like "But Bush", means nothing. Obama's in the driver's seat, so it's all still about him, what he's already done, hasn't done, or is going to do.


Like it matters. The problem is that liberal policies keep failing, or worse blowing up in their faces, and they need someone to blame for it who isn't liberal, or a member of a permanent victim group. That pretty much leaves George Bush, Sarah Palin, and Mitt Romney.

/they're working on getting people to blame Zionist conspiracies, though
//"never again" was a joke from the start
 
2012-12-02 11:03:41 AM
All the zombie stuff are novelty items. I'm sure most gun owners who buy stuff like that do it because it's fun.

Right? Please tell me I'm right.
 
2012-12-02 11:03:49 AM
If a reporter asks me why I bought a gun while I'm on the way out of the shop I'm likely to be a smartass and say it's for zombies instead of so I can blast the hell out of cans.

As for people discussing what loads to use on monsters, anyone remember the 'Can a lightsaber cut through adamantium' thread?
 
2012-12-02 11:05:03 AM
Puppets are - by definition - brainless beings.

And I am your puppet-master. I use the media to sow fear, hatred and discord while you march - under my controlling hand - to buy your petty guns for a lie I conjured and events which will never happen.

I call my puppets hu-MANS and I create them as fools.
 
2012-12-02 11:13:32 AM
got this from somewhere,but forgot where.
Zombies are a metaphor for socialists -- brain-dead, voracious, relentless, completely unproductive and thus desperate to consume other people, individually weak (pitifully weak, actually) and dangerous only when encountered in large numbers, and the only sensible way to deal with them is by smashing in their heads.
 
2012-12-02 11:14:18 AM

Tatterdemalian: liberal policies keep failing


Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security, all failed policies right?
 
2012-12-02 11:16:44 AM
Well, let's face it, 'zombies' is an analogy to 'welfare recipients' -- parasites who want to eat your brains and devour your life essence. So, yeah, buying a gun can make a lot of sense when you see what's happening in the news.
 
2012-12-02 11:17:16 AM
The zombies are already here. They're called "Fox News viewers"...
 
2012-12-02 11:20:54 AM
www.politifake.org
 
2012-12-02 11:21:13 AM

swangoatman: got this from somewhere,but forgot where.
Zombies are a metaphor for socialists -- brain-dead, voracious, relentless, completely unproductive and thus desperate to consume other people, individually weak (pitifully weak, actually) and dangerous only when encountered in large numbers, and the only sensible way to deal with them is by smashing in their heads.


"got this from somewhere,but forgot where." How convenient.
 
2012-12-02 11:22:24 AM
BitwiseShift:
Watching the sneer on the gun shop guy's face on TV as he was saying how much gun sales went up tells the whole story. That and his bank account.

Which video? I only got an audio clip at Subby's link (of a guy who knows it's actually funny). All of the video clips I've seen have been of people laughing along with the idea, not laughing at their customers (who also get the joke). I've seen too many "ohmigod those gun nuts are crazy" comments about videos of people poking fun at something to take you at your word on this.

Link?
 
2012-12-02 11:29:25 AM
Tatterdemalian

You lost. Cowboy up, Nancy, and get over it.
 
2012-12-02 11:33:59 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: As for people discussing what loads to use on monsters, anyone remember the 'Can a lightsaber cut through adamantium' thread?


I participated in that thread (under a different login name).
 
2012-12-02 11:34:58 AM
I see the zombie-apocalypse preppers as not so much afraid as just participating in a gigantic leaderless LARP. As long as their intended targets are not (living) people, I have no problem with this.
 
2012-12-02 11:38:31 AM

NFA: Deacon Blue: No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun

Really? Because there are plenty of gun forums where they're discussing how to make home loaded ammunition with things like wooden stakes soaked in holy water to kill vampires, how to make silver ammunition, what loads are best for certain monsters, etc.


...and again, it's all in good fun: a kind of role-playing. I'd much rather have them discuss killing obviously-fictional creatures than actual people.

/doesn't have any guns
 
2012-12-02 11:39:02 AM

3StratMan: Like I said earlier, Romney arguments stopped being valid on November 6. "But Romney", just like "But Bush", means nothing. Obama's in the driver's seat, so it's all still about him, what he's already done, hasn't done, or is going to do.


Jesus, do I stutter? It's not like but-Bush because it's not about Romney, no one's blaming Romney for anything. It's about the NRA and their blind partisanship.
 
2012-12-02 11:42:08 AM

jafiwam: Considering Obama, the head of the democrats has gone on record sympathizing with a low-life thug bent on killing someone over "dissin" him.

It's not surprising people are realizing they'll have to defend themselves.

The Free Stuff Army wants your stuff, and they want it one way or another. When the system breaks down, they'll be looking to take matters into their own hands (more than they already do.)

Zombies are a fun disaster for entertainment purposes, what's going to come out of the cities when the economy collapses is much worse.


And all your guns will be useless against it - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy.
If you want to survive, hold society together - it's your ONLY hope. Without an organized society to protect you, America's white bourgeoise will last about five minutes.
 
2012-12-02 11:43:25 AM

Mugato: Yeah but you have a to pump a shotgun after every shot. If a horde of fast zombies are coming down on you, you wouldn't get them fast enough. An Uzi, only something that has a bigger magazine would be better.


i gotta imagine something that's semi-automatic, but with stopping power, like the old M1 Garand/Carbine, would be really good.
An Uzi on the other hand, unless you kept it on single shot, would burn through ammo really quickly.
 
2012-12-02 11:45:55 AM

Millennium: I see the zombie-apocalypse preppers as not so much afraid as just participating in a gigantic leaderless LARP. As long as their intended targets are not (living) people, I have no problem with this.


And as long as they hit only their intended targets.
Everybody with a gun thinks they are James Bond or Clint Eastwood.
 
2012-12-02 11:48:14 AM

Abox: Tatterdemalian: liberal policies keep failing

Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security, all failed policies right?


How about this century, like during a time when the GOP wasn't the liberal party?
 
2012-12-02 11:48:42 AM

Begoggle: And as long as they hit only their intended targets.
Everybody with a gun thinks they are James Bond or Clint Eastwood.


According to the documentary The Walking Dead, a 12 year old can become a dead-eye after a couple hours shooting at cans and swinging logs.

/and handguns have no kick
 
2012-12-02 11:52:43 AM

SilentStrider: Mugato: Yeah but you have a to pump a shotgun after every shot. If a horde of fast zombies are coming down on you, you wouldn't get them fast enough. An Uzi, only something that has a bigger magazine would be better.

i gotta imagine something that's semi-automatic, but with stopping power, like the old M1 Garand/Carbine, would be really good.
An Uzi on the other hand, unless you kept it on single shot, would burn through ammo really quickly.


stopping power is a term used to described the effects of rendering living things dead. as a zombie isnt going to 'bleed out' or be impressed by shock inducing systemic trauma, the only thing that really matters is capacity, speed and accuracy. an ar 15 in .22 would be better than one in .223 for a variety of zombie killing reasons
 
2012-12-02 11:52:52 AM

starsrift: "They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.


Me either, but it's the principle of the thing - it may be crap, but it's MINE. Besides, I don't want anyone close enough to steal my shiat anyway, because then they're too close.
 
2012-12-02 11:54:15 AM
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2012-12-02 12:02:25 PM

R.A.Danny: Abox: Tatterdemalian: liberal policies keep failing

Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security, all failed policies right?

How about this century, like during a time when the GOP wasn't the liberal party?



Who cares? Liberal policies are liberal policies. Does it matter which party supported them?
 
2012-12-02 12:02:57 PM

tallen702: 1) Fear of a new assault weapons ban without a sunset provision (which wouldn't happen for at least 2 more years due to congressional make-up right now)


As some posts have mentioned upthread, Obama's reelection has been the best thing that has happened to the gun industry in a while. I never understood why gun owners think the industry is necessarily on their side. To the extent they would like to continue to sell us their products, yes they are. But if needlessly raising a panic with "Obama's gonna take your guns" wharrgarbl will send sales through the roof, then that's what they'll do.

2) More and more people have come out of the "guns are evil" mindset and are finding out that going to the range, competitive shooting, and collecting (especially historical weapons) is interesting and fun.

I've gotten some friends hooked on firearms by taking them on a couple of outings. It takes the mystique out of firearms. Once people can separate from their misconceptions about firearms that they've learned from movies/TV/video games, they can learn to appreciate them. For better or worse, I think more people are getting into firearms because of the proliferation of military first-person shooters like "Call of Duty."

3) More people are interested in exercising the rights guaranteed them by the constitution.

That kind of dovetails with your first point.

4) And finally, they're a fantastic investment...

Firearms tend to hold their value very well over time. A buddy of mine sold a Smith & Wesson revolver he inherited from his dad, who bought it in the 70s, for almost 80 percent of what it originally sold back then (adjusting for inflation, of course). And guns are so damn durable, from original Colt SAAs to WWI-era 1911's that still go "bang" when you pull the trigger.
 
2012-12-02 12:03:23 PM
cdn.uproxx.com
 
2012-12-02 12:10:08 PM
Anybody who uses a fear of Zombie as a reason to buy a gun should be banned from owning gun automatically. Crazy people should not have guns.
 
2012-12-02 12:10:52 PM

wildlifer: Nice try comrade
.2/10


Obama's gun record is better than Romney's.
 
2012-12-02 12:15:11 PM

jso2897: It's a common consumption disorder. Gun-fappers who have to go out and buy this gun or that one to feel good are no different than women who have 300 pairs of shoes.


Yup. But don't you dare make fun of their gun lust. They're just prepared.--for the upcoming civil war and complete meltdown of society. Perfectly sensible.
 
2012-12-02 12:17:59 PM

chuckufarlie: Anybody who uses a fear of Zombie as a reason to buy a gun should be banned from owning gun automatically. Crazy people should not have guns.


I think fear of the zombie apocalypse is more rational than the guys who stock up on guns in case the government gets uppity and they have to straighten shiat out. THAT'S crazy.
 
2012-12-02 12:19:42 PM

Abox: R.A.Danny: Abox: Tatterdemalian: liberal policies keep failing

Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security, all failed policies right?

How about this century, like during a time when the GOP wasn't the liberal party?


Who cares? Liberal policies are liberal policies. Does it matter which party supported them?


The point is the defining of liberal. Some go as far to call eugenics a liberal idea.
 
2012-12-02 12:30:12 PM

Molavian: wildlifer: Nice try comrade
.2/10

Obama's gun record is better than Romney's.


But the rest of his entire body of work is a total failure. You want to know when the economy started circling the drain? It was with the passage of NAFTA. And bubba Clinton did that, not bush.
 
2012-12-02 12:34:26 PM

R.A.Danny: Abox: R.A.Danny: Abox: Tatterdemalian: liberal policies keep failing

Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security, all failed policies right?

How about this century, like during a time when the GOP wasn't the liberal party?


Who cares? Liberal policies are liberal policies. Does it matter which party supported them?

The point is the defining of liberal. Some go as far to call eugenics a liberal idea.



Ah, goalpost on wheels...got it.
 
2012-12-02 12:38:43 PM

Abox: Ah, goalpost on wheels...got it.


As is the definition of liberal. I'm not looking to argue, just making a point.
 
2012-12-02 12:43:38 PM

wildlifer: But the rest of his entire body of work is a total failure. You want to know when the economy started circling the drain? It was with the passage of NAFTA. And bubba Clinton did that, not bush.


I think you forgot a sentence in between there because those two together make no sense.

But if you're going to blame NAFTA for all our woes (I don't like NAFTA either), Bush was the one with the tax breaks for outsourcing. Bush implemented tax breaks on the rich which not only didn't create jobs but set unemployment to record levels that Obama has slowly been lowering. Bush started two wars that he kept off the books until Obama took office but still managed to turn Clinton's deficit surplus into a record deficit.

But please, b-b-b-but Clinton us while you complain about people b-b-b-but Bushing you.
 
2012-12-02 12:46:55 PM
Please. Look around. You're telling me we don't already live in a zombie-riddled, distopian, post-apocalyptic wasteland??
 
2012-12-02 12:48:29 PM

Subtle_Canary: SilentStrider: Mugato: Yeah but you have a to pump a shotgun after every shot. If a horde of fast zombies are coming down on you, you wouldn't get them fast enough. An Uzi, only something that has a bigger magazine would be better.

i gotta imagine something that's semi-automatic, but with stopping power, like the old M1 Garand/Carbine, would be really good.
An Uzi on the other hand, unless you kept it on single shot, would burn through ammo really quickly.

stopping power is a term used to described the effects of rendering living things dead. as a zombie isnt going to 'bleed out' or be impressed by shock inducing systemic trauma, the only thing that really matters is capacity, speed and accuracy. an ar 15 in .22 would be better than one in .223 for a variety of zombie killing reasons


You're looking for aomething that can reliably penetrate a human skull, wouldn't a .22 have some problems with that, given how small of a round it is?
 
2012-12-02 12:52:53 PM
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-02 12:55:54 PM
Obama: A gun dealers best friend.
 
2012-12-02 12:57:09 PM

Molavian: wildlifer: Nice try comrade
.2/10

Obama's gun record is better than Romney's.


B-b-b-b-but Romney...the new B-b-b-b-but Bush. Doesn't hold any more water.
 
2012-12-02 12:58:01 PM

wildlifer: Molavian: wildlifer: Nice try comrade
.2/10

Obama's gun record is better than Romney's.

But the rest of his entire body of work is a total failure. You want to know when the economy started circling the drain? It was with the passage of NAFTA. And bubba Clinton did that, not bush.


Dude- you aren't talking to children here - I'm 62, and have seen this country move steadily to the right ever since the Grinning Fool got elected in 1980. All Dino's like Clinto and Obama have done is slow the rightward progress. Fortunately, the boomers are dying and realizing they are on fixed incomes now, and the immigrants are coming - so now, the pendulum will swing back to the left - hard. Stockpile all the guns you want - won't make any difference. Civilization will move on, and leave the trailer trash behind.
 
2012-12-02 12:59:02 PM
This girl at work was asking me a few weeks back what scared me most in the world. The only things I could think of were a) Being somehow immobilized and then abducted and tortured b) Being confronted by an unnaturally giant creature e.g. that huge spider from lotr or a helicopter sized wasp or something. Both of which she dismissed as unrealistic.

After saying this she revealed her biggest fear: zombie attack. And she insisted that her nightmare scenario was possible unlike mine. "You're a pretty big guy, no one is going to try to kidnap you", "There are no giant insects", "Zombie attacks can happen because...."
 
2012-12-02 01:07:08 PM

3StratMan: Molavian: wildlifer: Nice try comrade
.2/10

Obama's gun record is better than Romney's.

B-b-b-b-but Romney...the new B-b-b-b-but Bush. Doesn't hold any more water.


Christ, you do not grasp this concept at all do you? They're talking about the NRA and their backing the wrong candidate. People are canceling their subscriptions to the NRA because of how they put party before gun rights. It has nothing to do with Romney except that they backed the candidate who was worse for gun rights than Obama. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BLAMING ROMNEY FOR ANYTHING

Jesus. I'd try to explain this with interpretive dance but I don't have a web camera here.
 
2012-12-02 01:07:20 PM
Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security

Abox:
Who cares? Liberal policies are liberal policies. Does it matter which party supported them?

...except that some of those weren't "liberal" policies. Most were "Progressive" ideas, and weren't always instituted for the reasons people think. FDR's child labor laws were not so much intended to protect children as to help adults get jobs during the Great Depression. There had been a movement to restrict child labor for quite a few years, but a lot of the reasoning wasn't "protect the child from having to work" but was "if children work long hours, they won't get an education and won't be as productive when they become adult workers."

For that matter, a lot of the labor laws had "get a job suited to your education and social background and stay in it for life" as a background theme.

Progressivism is the real issue - not liberalism. We have very few "liberals" in the modern "Liberal" camp - they're often old-school progressives with a new nickname. Note that "Progressive" doesn't always mean "nice." A lot of the "Progressive ideas" were things like eugenics - which turned out to be favored by a lot of really nasty people over the last century or so, and usually glossed over by the modern tribe of Progs...
 
2012-12-02 01:09:41 PM

R.A.Danny: Abox: Ah, goalpost on wheels...got it.

As is the definition of liberal. I'm not looking to argue, just making a point.



I'm sure Tatterdemalian's comment was an ironic treatise on the dynamics of language and not just 'duurrr...libruls!'.
 
2012-12-02 01:13:44 PM

starsrift: Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.


They want stuff that's portable and easy to convert into cash and/or drugs, and preferably hard to trace. Hand-held powertools are also very popular.
 
2012-12-02 01:15:30 PM
jso2897:
Dude- you aren't talking to children here - I'm 62, and have seen this country move steadily to the right ever since the Grinning Fool got elected in 1980.

Pardon me, but your bias is showing.

Look at the actual world, not your "everyone is to the right of me politically, and I don't remember shifting" world view. More realistically? You were a hard-core left-winger in the 1960s, and all of your friends were the same. You don't have many right-wing friends (if any at all), and you base all of your perception on that. I know a number of folks just like you: they've been hard-left nuts for thirty or forty years, and got a case of political amnesia along the way - if you advance even a moderately conservative idea ("the Second Amendment protects individual gun ownership"), they lose their freakin' MINDS about how you're an "extremist right-winger."

Look at all of the idiots who called Romney an "extremist Republican." Nope.

/If someone identical to JFK ran for President today, he'd be labeled a "radical right winger" right off the bat...
 
2012-12-02 01:17:18 PM

cirby: Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security

Abox:
Who cares? Liberal policies are liberal policies. Does it matter which party supported them?

...except that some of those weren't "liberal" policies. Most were "Progressive" ideas, and weren't always instituted for the reasons people think. FDR's child labor laws were not so much intended to protect children as to help adults get jobs during the Great Depression. There had been a movement to restrict child labor for quite a few years, but a lot of the reasoning wasn't "protect the child from having to work" but was "if children work long hours, they won't get an education and won't be as productive when they become adult workers."

For that matter, a lot of the labor laws had "get a job suited to your education and social background and stay in it for life" as a background theme.

Progressivism is the real issue - not liberalism. We have very few "liberals" in the modern "Liberal" camp - they're often old-school progressives with a new nickname. Note that "Progressive" doesn't always mean "nice." A lot of the "Progressive ideas" were things like eugenics - which turned out to be favored by a lot of really nasty people over the last century or so, and usually glossed over by the modern tribe of Progs...



So that's what Tatterdemalian meant by 'liberal policies keep failing'...eugenics?
 
2012-12-02 01:26:15 PM

FlippityFlap: Tatterdemalian

You lost. Cowboy up, Nancy, and get over it.


But the election wasn't faaaaahair!
 
2012-12-02 01:27:36 PM

cirby: Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security

Abox:
Who cares? Liberal policies are liberal policies. Does it matter which party supported them?

...except that some of those weren't "liberal" policies. Most were "Progressive" ideas, and weren't always instituted for the reasons people think. FDR's child labor laws were not so much intended to protect children as to help adults get jobs during the Great Depression. There had been a movement to restrict child labor for quite a few years, but a lot of the reasoning wasn't "protect the child from having to work" but was "if children work long hours, they won't get an education and won't be as productive when they become adult workers."

For that matter, a lot of the labor laws had "get a job suited to your education and social background and stay in it for life" as a background theme.

Progressivism is the real issue - not liberalism. We have very few "liberals" in the modern "Liberal" camp - they're often old-school progressives with a new nickname. Note that "Progressive" doesn't always mean "nice." A lot of the "Progressive ideas" were things like eugenics - which turned out to be favored by a lot of really nasty people over the last century or so, and usually glossed over by the modern tribe of Progs...


cirby: Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security

Abox:
Who cares? Liberal policies are liberal policies. Does it matter which party supported them?

...except that some of those weren't "liberal" policies. Most were "Progressive" ideas, and weren't always instituted for the reasons people think. FDR's child labor laws were not so much intended to protect children as to help adults get jobs during the Great Depression. There had been a movement to restrict child labor for quite a few years, but a lot of the reasoning wasn't "protect the child from having to work" but was "if children work long hours, they won't get an education and won't be as productive when they become adult workers."

For that matter, a lot of the labor laws had "get a job suited to your education and social background and stay in it for life" as a background theme.

Progressivism is the real issue - not liberalism. We have very few "liberals" in the modern "Liberal" camp - they're often old-school progressives with a new nickname. Note that "Progressive" doesn't always mean "nice." A lot of the "Progressive ideas" were things like eugenics - which turned out to be favored by a lot of really nasty people over the last century or so, and usually glossed over by the modern tribe of Progs...


Glenn Beck has a Fark handle?
 
2012-12-02 01:30:07 PM

LS1Bird: Glenn Beck has a Fark handle?


I love when people try to use "progressive" as a negative. Then they try to tie it to "eugenics". Because the Nazis, The United Socialist Party. Socialist!
 
2012-12-02 01:31:08 PM
....excuse me, National Socialist party. I knew that didn't sound right when I wrote it. Multitasking.
 
2012-12-02 01:31:19 PM

jafiwam: Considering Obama, the head of the democrats has gone on record sympathizing with a low-life thug bent on killing someone over "dissin" him.

It's not surprising people are realizing they'll have to defend themselves.

The Free Stuff Army wants your stuff, and they want it one way or another. When the system breaks down, they'll be looking to take matters into their own hands (more than they already do.)

Zombies are a fun disaster for entertainment purposes, what's going to come out of the cities when the economy collapses is much worse.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha.....aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a.
Careful, I hear the free stuff army coming for your gold krylon and paper bag.
 
2012-12-02 01:46:40 PM

usbport: Well, let's face it, 'zombies' is an analogy to 'welfare recipients' -- parasites who want to eat your brains and devour your life essence. So, yeah, buying a gun can make a lot of sense when you see what's happening in the news.


Yeah man, shoot those single moms and their babies right in their zombie faces....if they hadn't of been such life sucking drains on society maybe their baby daddy would've been able to stick around to make em a real family.
/you realize a shiat ton of people on welfare are poor white trash that prob hate libruls/socialist/obummer as much as you
 
2012-12-02 01:53:00 PM
I always thought the phrase "zombie apocalypse" was a sort of shorthand for "widespread breakdown in civil order", with the usual social institutions like police, National Guard, etc., being unable to keep the peace, and individual citizens being left to fend for themselves as far as protecting themselves, their loved ones, and their property. Think 1992 L.A. riots, Hurricane Katrina, 1977 NYC blackout, that kind of thing.
 
2012-12-02 01:56:52 PM

3StratMan: Mugato: 3StratMan: Lesser of two evils is more like it. A case of probably being able to work with one, versus no hope at all of any compromise with the other. When the guy you already have has a my way or the highway attitude, time to try somebody else.

How is Romney the lesser of 2 evils? You saw that sign posted above in this thread. All of that is correct. Obama's done nothing of the sort. How is Romney better for gun rights?. That doesn't make sense.

/and how is Romney not a "my way or the highway" guy? Or republicans in general for that matter

Like I said earlier, Romney arguments stopped being valid on November 6. "But Romney", just like "But Bush", means nothing. Obama's in the driver's seat, so it's all still about him, what he's already done, hasn't done, or is going to do.


You do realize that gun rights have expanded under Obama, don't you?
 
2012-12-02 01:59:50 PM
When did this resurgence of zombie moronity start, exactly? Was it the first "Resident Evil" movie? "28 Days Later"? I know zombies had been a minor thing for a while before the craze suddenly escalated again.
 
2012-12-02 02:16:50 PM
I just shoot at cars with loud stereos.
 
2012-12-02 02:17:42 PM

rugby-n-beers: You do realize that gun rights have expanded under Obama, don't you?


He's just not grasping what I and others were saying so my advice is forget it.
 
2012-12-02 02:19:02 PM
Mugato:
I love when people try to use "progressive" as a negative.

The really funny thing is when people confuse Progressivism (a really nasty political movement that ended up including eugenics and racism as major principles, along with prohibition and other inconveniently-non-liberal ideas) with "progress."

It's even more hilarious nowadays, since Progressivism fell out of favor for almost half a century - until the modern let-wingers started using the term again.
 
2012-12-02 02:19:03 PM

Mugato: I love when people try to use "progressive" as a negative.


Saying the progressives are about progress is like saying conservatives are about conservation. The point is right from a historical perspective about progressive politics through. Research their history and you'll find some pretty scary stuff by modern standards. They also did some pretty good things as well, frankly I'm of the opinion that the old progressives were a hell of a lot better than the new ones. People have been putting forward progressive political agendas for well over a century. The result is it's had as much time to get a negative connotation as any other political agenda.
 
2012-12-02 02:25:50 PM

jafiwam: Considering Obama, the head of the democrats has gone on record sympathizing with a low-life thug bent on killing someone over "dissin" him.

It's not surprising people are realizing they'll have to defend themselves.

The Free Stuff Army wants your stuff, and they want it one way or another. When the system breaks down, they'll be looking to take matters into their own hands (more than they already do.)

Zombies are a fun disaster for entertainment purposes, what's going to come out of the cities when the economy collapses is much worse.


This. And it will happen sooner than many of you think. Statistical projections (similar to - but much more rigorous than - the Nate Silver projections regarding the election state that food riots in the United States could happen as soon as 2016-2017.
 
2012-12-02 02:35:29 PM

jafiwam: Considering Obama, the head of the democrats has gone on record sympathizing with a low-life thug bent on killing someone over "dissin" him.

It's not surprising people are realizing they'll have to defend themselves.

The Free Stuff Army wants your stuff, and they want it one way or another. When the system breaks down, they'll be looking to take matters into their own hands (more than they already do.)

Zombies are a fun disaster for entertainment purposes, what's going to come out of the cities when the economy collapses is much worse.


Free Stuff Army? I give a point...but that's it.
1/10
 
2012-12-02 02:36:37 PM
Reading that there has been a corresponding decrease in gun related crime makes me wonder if there has been a corresponding increase in accidental gunshot wounds. There are way too many people owning firearms who know nothing about safe handling of their weapon.

Paging Mr. Darwin...
 
2012-12-02 02:38:49 PM

R.A.Danny: Abox: Tatterdemalian: liberal policies keep failing

Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security, all failed policies right?

How about this century, like during a time when the GOP wasn't the liberal party?


Tenessee Valley Authority, the New Deal.
 
2012-12-02 02:56:08 PM

DragonNerd: The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).

Compare with TEOTWAWKI ("The End of the World As We Know It"), which is a long-term collapse of civilization and return to a pre-industrial (likely Dark Ages) lifestyle due to a more extreme disaster (like an asteroid strike).

// kind of looking forward to the Zombie Apocalypse
/ not looking forward to TEOTWAWKI


Excellent summary. Given the fact that I live in FL, being a bit of a prepper is just good sense. Any given year we could get hit with a bug hurricane, and having a good bit of supplies on hand is a good idea. Should anything larger happen, its nice to know Ive got the ability to survive for a bit while figuring out the next move.
 
2012-12-02 03:07:03 PM

cirby: Mugato:
I love when people try to use "progressive" as a negative.

The really funny thing is when people confuse Progressivism (a really nasty political movement that ended up including eugenics and racism as major principles, along with prohibition and other inconveniently-non-liberal ideas) with "progress."

It's even more hilarious nowadays, since Progressivism fell out of favor for almost half a century - until the modern let-wingers started using the term again.



So somebody derps about failed liberal policies and suddenly we're talking about eugenics and racism? If anyone was wondering why gerrymandering is the only way for conservatives to maintain political relevance these days, here's Exhibit A.
 
2012-12-02 03:18:26 PM

Mugato: WinoRhino: Either way, if I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a guy trying to steal my TV, he can have it. I'm not firing. I'm not getting a gun to protect my TV. It's illegal in my state to kill someone for that anyway. I'm getting the gun so if the guy sees that he woke me up and decided he still wants to take my shiat by going through me first, he's getting shot. On the other hand if he decides this wasn't a good idea and wants to leave, I'll simply point him to the door and he can do so. I hope you can see the difference between this and your example, and maybe tone down the "idiot" talk.

Hold on, let me get a pen. What's your address again?

I keed, I keed.


Many years ago in college, to make a point, I tried selling door signs signs that stated: "ATTENTION: We do not believe in killing other human beings. There are, therefore, no guns or other deadly weapons in this home."

The purpose, of course, was to allow anti-gun people to publicly display their ethics and thereby publicly "witness" and set personal examples for their beliefs. Curiously, those these were marketed at anti-gun rallies, I didn't sell a single sign. I even had several people lecture me in various ways, all of which boiled down to: "Are you nuts? Why would I want to advertise that fact to bad guys?"

This led me to the inexorable conclusion that anti-gun people rely for their own protection on the fact that some OTHER people are armed. Home invaders and other potential felons, therefore, may hesitate to transgress because they don't know which homes are armed and which are helpless.

This fact, of course, simply reassures and empowers nuts who want to create massacres at, for example, high schools and colleges which universally ban weapons from campus environs.

That is not to say that allowing weapons on campuses would not have it's own set of problems. But it seems fairly obvious that creating a zone of legally disarmed sheep will, in fact, encourage some people to take advantage of that fact.
 
2012-12-02 03:19:27 PM

NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."


I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

[i1221.photobucket.com image 793x486]


Dorks like you are the reason we Have Obama 2.0
 
2012-12-02 03:27:20 PM

Abox: cirby: Mugato:
I love when people try to use "progressive" as a negative.

The really funny thing is when people confuse Progressivism (a really nasty political movement that ended up including eugenics and racism as major principles, along with prohibition and other inconveniently-non-liberal ideas) with "progress."

It's even more hilarious nowadays, since Progressivism fell out of favor for almost half a century - until the modern let-wingers started using the term again.


So somebody derps about failed liberal policies and suddenly we're talking about eugenics and racism? If anyone was wondering why gerrymandering is the only way for conservatives to maintain political relevance these days, here's Exhibit A.


Yeah lets talk about Gerrymandering and political distribution of parties along geographical lines.

newscastmedia.com

How do Democrats have any senators at all?

Thats a joke, i understand the process, but ask yourself if its good for the 99% of the democratic party that isnt filthy stinking rich to be jammed into urban cores in the 47 months in a row that do not have a presidential election in them? They are lured there by better welfare and social benefits and then trapped there because it is easier for the Democratic Party to mobilize votes when all the votes they need live in a 10 square mile area in the state. Its a cynical treatment of the poor for the benefit of the political party.

You can look at gerrymandering maps of major cities and see the impact of this social policy. In order to secure the black vote the districts are tangled like spaghetti in major cities.

If you look at the map above you can see that a Republican candidate could in theory just plonk a compass down on the map and score a 99% red county district. Now individual politicians will of course gerrymander to link all the voters who traditionally support them because they want to be Murtha. So even within very red states you will find stranger districts based on the distribution of single issue voters.
 
2012-12-02 03:32:21 PM

bookman: Mugato: WinoRhino: Either way, if I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a guy trying to steal my TV, he can have it. I'm not firing. I'm not getting a gun to protect my TV. It's illegal in my state to kill someone for that anyway. I'm getting the gun so if the guy sees that he woke me up and decided he still wants to take my shiat by going through me first, he's getting shot. On the other hand if he decides this wasn't a good idea and wants to leave, I'll simply point him to the door and he can do so. I hope you can see the difference between this and your example, and maybe tone down the "idiot" talk.

Hold on, let me get a pen. What's your address again?

I keed, I keed.

Many years ago in college, to make a point, I tried selling door signs signs that stated: "ATTENTION: We do not believe in killing other human beings. There are, therefore, no guns or other deadly weapons in this home."

The purpose, of course, was to allow anti-gun people to publicly display their ethics and thereby publicly "witness" and set personal examples for their beliefs. Curiously, those these were marketed at anti-gun rallies, I didn't sell a single sign. I even had several people lecture me in various ways, all of which boiled down to: "Are you nuts? Why would I want to advertise that fact to bad guys?"

This led me to the inexorable conclusion that anti-gun people rely for their own protection on the fact that some OTHER people are armed. Home invaders and other potential felons, therefore, may hesitate to transgress because they don't know which homes are armed and which are helpless.

This fact, of course, simply reassures and empowers nuts who want to create massacres at, for example, high schools and colleges which universally ban weapons from campus environs.

That is not to say that allowing weapons on campuses would not have it's own set of problems. But it seems fairly obvious that creating a zone of legally disarmed sheep will, in fact, encourage some people to take advantage of that fact.


Or you could have an organized neighborhood watch and a well-functioning police department.

I have no problem with people in isolated areas having individual protection. But a properly running town or city should have a good communal security system in place -- not paranoid homeowners who are itching to play the John Wayne in their cul-de-sac.
 
2012-12-02 03:34:50 PM
Abox:
So somebody derps about failed liberal policies and suddenly we're talking about eugenics and racism?

If you're going to try and take the credit for early 20th century Progressive successes, you also have to take the blame for the really nasty parts.

For example, when people talk about good old Progressive Margaret Sanger, they push the "she made birth control available" part, but sorta gloss over "she made it available because she thought minorities and poor people were breeding too much." 

Nasty people, those Progressives.
 
2012-12-02 03:45:05 PM

cirby: Abox:
So somebody derps about failed liberal policies and suddenly we're talking about eugenics and racism?

If you're going to try and take the credit for early 20th century Progressive successes, you also have to take the blame for the really nasty parts.



I'm not taking credit for anything. The comment was that liberal policies keep failing. I pointed out ones that didn't. But keep talking, I like what it's doing to your party.
 
2012-12-02 04:23:15 PM
liberal policies keep failing

Child labor laws, slavery abolishment, civil rights, social security, all failed policies right?


The Bunghole of the Confederacy hath spoken sharted.
 
2012-12-02 04:28:18 PM
So, another writer who doesn't understand that gun owners use "zombie" as a code word for "minority".
 
2012-12-02 04:31:13 PM

cirby: Abox:
So somebody derps about failed liberal policies and suddenly we're talking about eugenics and racism?

If you're going to try and take the credit for early 20th century Progressive successes, you also have to take the blame for the really nasty parts.

For example, when people talk about good old Progressive Margaret Sanger, they push the "she made birth control available" part, but sorta gloss over "she made it available because she thought minorities and poor people were breeding too much." 

Nasty people, those Progressives.


Yeah, that bullsh*t makes me angry every time I recall it.

Thanks for the reminder. If we forget our history we will only repeat and worsen our faults.

And isn't it interesting that "minorities and poor people are breeding too much" is these days a complaint of folks who wouldn't be seen dead hanging around an ACLU office.

Just think about exactly where and by whom these anti-brownfolk complaints are being generated these days.

I'm simply pointing, not bashing. Just take a look, that's all.
 
2012-12-02 04:59:56 PM
The zombie apocalypse is already here. Check out the reality shows man.
 
2012-12-02 05:31:37 PM

bonobo73: I have no problem with people in isolated areas having individual protection. But a properly running town or city should have a good communal security system in place -- not paranoid homeowners who are itching to play the John Wayne in their cul-de-sac.


Thanks, Bonobo, that's mighty nice of you. :-P I'd prefer, rather, to just exercise my rights regardless of whether or not you think that I'm...what, "mature enough" to exercise them? Even in cities, though, the police have no accountability for individual citizens' deaths. Oh, they'll be there with the "POLICE LINE DO NOT CROSS" tape and chalk to mark where your body was found, but ultimately your life is most important to you; if you don't take measure to safeguard it, that's your fault. To deprive people of the means to defend their own lives is violating them.
 
2012-12-02 05:55:16 PM

cirby: along with prohibition and other inconveniently-non-liberal ideas


Prohibition was a liberal idea for the time.
 
2012-12-02 05:55:18 PM

hundreddollarman: tallen702: 1) Fear of a new assault weapons ban without a sunset provision (which wouldn't happen for at least 2 more years due to congressional make-up right now)

As some posts have mentioned upthread, Obama's reelection has been the best thing that has happened to the gun industry in a while. I never understood why gun owners think the industry is necessarily on their side. To the extent they would like to continue to sell us their products, yes they are. But if needlessly raising a panic with "Obama's gonna take your guns" wharrgarbl will send sales through the roof, then that's what they'll do.


What is really interesting, and confusing, is that you aren't seeing massive price jumps on the manufacturing side of things. You'd think that the "panic buying" would cause places like PSA, DSA, CMMG, and Troy as well as the big-boys to increase prices or ramp up production, but you simply aren't. The price increase we've been seeing are on the Retail and secondary markets. With an 03-FFL, I get to see a lot of wholesale pricing, even for the ones which aren't eligible for me to transfer, and they really aren't going up. But the guys at the gun shops and shows are pocketing a lot more, so I don't think you can really pin anything on the industry as a whole.

Personally, I'm not terribly concerned with a new ban being implemented, but I do know it still is a possibility, especially if you see a shift toward the dems in the mid-term elections.
 
2012-12-02 05:55:34 PM

cirby: Abox:
So somebody derps about failed liberal policies and suddenly we're talking about eugenics and racism?

If you're going to try and take the credit for early 20th century Progressive successes, you also have to take the blame for the really nasty parts.


Good luck with that. The whole reason the liberals themselves attached wheels to the definition of "liberal" was so they could take credit for the momentary happiness their social policies create, then steer away from the blame when their systems inevitably collapse into mass graves.

/and of course they'll insist their policies weren't the cause
//it has to have been sabotage by Goldstein, err Romney, that's causing the shortages
 
2012-12-02 06:22:26 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: When did this resurgence of zombie moronity start, exactly? Was it the first "Resident Evil" movie? "28 Days Later"? I know zombies had been a minor thing for a while before the craze suddenly escalated again.


Resident Evil is the start of the modern zombie craze after the 70's, yeah. With the vidyagames, first, and then the movie made it more popular with the strong heroine. It's pretty much a horror mash-up of "who's my friend, who's my enemy?" type horror as well as happy fun monster horror along with a dose of Evil Science, so there's no reason for it to not be popular. Pretty much the only horror vibe it doesn't touch is sexy horror.
 
2012-12-02 07:18:30 PM

Deacon Blue: NFA: Pud: Well, is anyone actually worried about those sparkly vampires? The werewolves are just kindred souls, and witches are just misunderstood. Now the zombies on the other hand .....

Believe it or not, you can buy both silver plated bullet AND zombie loads. Seriously are gun owners really that stupid? Some gun ranges also hold zombie shoots.

No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun, and you aren't going to hurt anyone's feelings, like if you had a ginger shoot. Plus, if you're prepared for the zombie apocalypse, you're prepared for just about anything, including earthquakes, floods, plagues, etc... It fact, the CDC published a 'zombie preparedness' pamphlet, for that very reason. It's a fun way to game out disaster scenarios without getting all upset because floods, earthquakes, fires and plagues can actually happen and kill people. Sure, there's the occasional nutcase that takes it too far, but for the most part it's all fun and games with the added benefit of actually learning how to survive a disaster that could really happen.


The only flaw in that line of reasoning is that surviving a natural disaster and surviving a zombie apocalypse require opposing skill sets. The response to a zombie apocalypse would entail destroying as many attackers as possible. In an actual disaster scenario such as Hurricane Katrina, this type of thinking causes enormous, real problems when freaked-out, paranoid survivalists start shooting at everything that moves and end up adding civil strife to natural destruction. Real-world disaster preparedness needs cooperation and calm, not wild aggression, and the assortment of zombie-killing weaponry is next to useless against flood, fire or earthquake.
 
2012-12-02 07:32:06 PM

Metalithic: The only flaw in that line of reasoning is that surviving a natural disaster and surviving a zombie apocalypse require opposing skill sets. The response to a zombie apocalypse would entail destroying as many attackers as possible. In an actual disaster scenario such as Hurricane Katrina, this type of thinking causes enormous, real problems when freaked-out, paranoid survivalists start shooting at everything that moves and end up adding civil strife to natural destruction.


In terms of shooting zombies...which is usually the focus of zombie movies/games, yeah, that's true. But for things like disaster exercises practiced by the National Guard, et al, it's useful as a mental exercise to think about alternatives within or instead of local infrastructure. Whether the power station is inaccessible because of the zombie hordes, flooding, or earthquake damage, the solutions for getting localities up and running are very similar in the short term.

On a more personal basis...looters are a potential danger in the anarchy that follows, so having some small arms isn't a terrible idea. But again on an infrastructure tack, having several days' food and water isn't a bad idea. Being able to take your important things on the move is a good idea, too, if one's home becomes untenable.
 
2012-12-02 08:38:26 PM
I joke about the zombpocalypse, but really I'm more worried about possible economic collapse, and REALLY more worried about some random drunk/high/criminal person busting into my house and trying to do... something... while I'm asleep. Oddly, lately, I am awake most of the night, so it's kind of a foolish fear, but if I were working a normal job again, it would be completely rational, I think.

I know my basement is a possible entry point for example, but we don't have the cash to completely replace the all windows with secure ones, so it's a risk we have to live with =/
 
2012-12-02 11:21:07 PM

stevarooni: Metalithic: The only flaw in that line of reasoning is that surviving a natural disaster and surviving a zombie apocalypse require opposing skill sets. The response to a zombie apocalypse would entail destroying as many attackers as possible. In an actual disaster scenario such as Hurricane Katrina, this type of thinking causes enormous, real problems when freaked-out, paranoid survivalists start shooting at everything that moves and end up adding civil strife to natural destruction.

In terms of shooting zombies...which is usually the focus of zombie movies/games, yeah, that's true. But for things like disaster exercises practiced by the National Guard, et al, it's useful as a mental exercise to think about alternatives within or instead of local infrastructure. Whether the power station is inaccessible because of the zombie hordes, flooding, or earthquake damage, the solutions for getting localities up and running are very similar in the short term.

On a more personal basis...looters are a potential danger in the anarchy that follows, so having some small arms isn't a terrible idea. But again on an infrastructure tack, having several days' food and water isn't a bad idea. Being able to take your important things on the move is a good idea, too, if one's home becomes untenable.


To clarify, I see nothing wrong with keeping survival supplies and small arms just in case. In fact, being prepared for many types of disaster is a good idea. The problem is when the urge becomes mindless killing, and I think the attraction of the zombie scenario for many gun fanciers is that it would be an opportunity for mass killing without worrying about laws or ethics. I worry that after years of zombie massacring fantasies, some extreme individuals might, if a natural disaster kept the police occupied, easily turn to slaughtering the "undesirables" in their neighborhood or anyone they saw as different. I remember hearing stories of certain folks hunting African-Americans for sport after Hurricane Katrina.
 
2012-12-03 12:03:30 AM
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2012-12-03 12:37:32 AM

Metalithic: I worry that after years of zombie massacring fantasies, some extreme individuals might, if a natural disaster kept the police occupied, easily turn to slaughtering the "undesirables" in their neighborhood or anyone they saw as different. I remember hearing stories of certain folks hunting African-Americ ...


I can understand the concern, but I'd say that the "zombie fantasy" is going to be a lot less dangerous...relatively speaking...than violent video games involving recognizably human enemies. People fantasizing about Red Dawn scenarios, that kind of thing. Those who would go into Lord of the Flies mode when things go bad are probably kind of on the edge already.
 
2012-12-03 01:06:12 AM

stevarooni: Metalithic: I worry that after years of zombie massacring fantasies, some extreme individuals might, if a natural disaster kept the police occupied, easily turn to slaughtering the "undesirables" in their neighborhood or anyone they saw as different. I remember hearing stories of certain folks hunting African-Americ ...

I can understand the concern, but I'd say that the "zombie fantasy" is going to be a lot less dangerous...relatively speaking...than violent video games involving recognizably human enemies. People fantasizing about Red Dawn scenarios, that kind of thing. Those who would go into Lord of the Flies mode when things go bad are probably kind of on the edge already.


True. Although a lot of gamers would be too scared to do anything in real life, whereas the redneck survivalist types are generally more used to firing at actual living targets. I'm sure many of the Red Dawn fanboys (or /b/tards for that matter) would love to participate in some real-world mayhem, but not all of them could "hack it," so to speak.
 
2012-12-03 01:39:12 AM

starsrift: "They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.


Dude, I need an address.
 
2012-12-03 01:46:33 AM

Mugato: Begoggle: And as long as they hit only their intended targets.
Everybody with a gun thinks they are James Bond or Clint Eastwood.

According to the documentary The Walking Dead, a 12 year old can become a dead-eye after a couple hours shooting at cans and swinging logs.

/and handguns have no kick


I like to teach gamers. They pick it up quick.
 
2012-12-03 03:38:27 AM

DragonNerd: The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).

Compare with TEOTWAWKI ("The End of the World As We Know It"), which is a long-term collapse of civilization and return to a pre-industrial (likely Dark Ages) lifestyle due to a more extreme disaster (like an asteroid strike).

// kind of looking forward to the Zombie Apocalypse
/ not looking forward to TEOTWAWKI


You'll feel fine.
 
2012-12-03 10:00:32 AM

rugby-n-beers: You do realize that gun rights have expanded under Obama, don't you?


Please, the Right has been operating on a fact-free basis for the last decade. Don't confuse them now.

If you really want to see their heads asplode, tell them that Rmoney has a worse gun control record than Obama. Of course they won't believe you, but the cognitive dissonance in their faces when you list all the anti-gun measure their savior enacted when he was Governer is priceless.
 
2012-12-03 11:14:44 AM
rugby-n-beers:You do realize that gun rights have expanded under Obama, don't you?

While I like to point that out to the extreme right wingers I know, the only things he has had an effect on (firearms as cargo on AMTRAK trains, legal carry in national forests) were rider amendments on bills he was already going to sign, no ifs and or buts, such as the credit card reform bill.
 
2012-12-03 02:16:46 PM

ficklefkrfark: usbport: Well, let's face it, 'zombies' is an analogy to 'welfare recipients' -- parasites who want to eat your brains and devour your life essence. So, yeah, buying a gun can make a lot of sense when you see what's happening in the news.

Yeah man, shoot those single moms and their babies right in their zombie faces....if they hadn't of been such life sucking drains on society maybe their baby daddy would've been able to stick around to make em a real family.
/you realize a shiat ton of people on welfare are poor white trash that prob hate libruls/socialist/obummer as much as you


Who hears "minorities" when someone says "welfare recipients"? ^THIS GUY^

/farking racists
 
2012-12-03 06:02:57 PM

archichris: Abox: cirby: Mugato:
I love when people try to use "progressive" as a negative.

The really funny thing is when people confuse Progressivism (a really nasty political movement that ended up including eugenics and racism as major principles, along with prohibition and other inconveniently-non-liberal ideas) with "progress."

It's even more hilarious nowadays, since Progressivism fell out of favor for almost half a century - until the modern let-wingers started using the term again.


So somebody derps about failed liberal policies and suddenly we're talking about eugenics and racism? If anyone was wondering why gerrymandering is the only way for conservatives to maintain political relevance these days, here's Exhibit A.

Yeah lets talk about Gerrymandering and political distribution of parties along geographical lines.

[newscastmedia.com image 568x414]

How do Democrats have any senators at all?

Thats a joke, i understand the process, but ask yourself if its good for the 99% of the democratic party that isnt filthy stinking rich to be jammed into urban cores in the 47 months in a row that do not have a presidential election in them? They are lured there by better welfare and social benefits and then trapped there because it is easier for the Democratic Party to mobilize votes when all the votes they need live in a 10 square mile area in the state. Its a cynical treatment of the poor for the benefit of the political party.

You can look at gerrymandering maps of major cities and see the impact of this social policy. In order to secure the black vote the districts are tangled like spaghetti in major cities.

If you look at the map above you can see that a Republican candidate could in theory just plonk a compass down on the map and score a 99% red county district. Now individual politicians will of course gerrymander to link all the voters who traditionally support them because they want to be Murtha. So even within very red states you will find stranger districts ...


The funny thing is, what you're seeing on that map *is* a result of gerrymandering... largely by "republican" held state governments "redistricting" to gain more seats in the House of Representatives in Washington DC.

Also, people who live in cities tend to work with their minds. People in rural areas work with their bodies. To put a finer point on it; country living = rubes = republicans.

/sorry, there are exceptions to the rule, present company, etc.
/anecdotal: Half the gun owners I know (6 of 12) are nuttier than a fruitcake... and to a man "conservative" low information voters.
/Thank FSM this election season is over and I can remove all the blocks on emails
/people who whine about welfare have a weak grasp of economics.
 
2012-12-03 10:20:29 PM

spidermilk: All those guns you're buying are not going to help because I don't think the thieves are going to break in while you're home.And if you don't have a nice gun safe they'd be happy to steal your guns too...

you don't NEED lots of guns. You need ONE gun with a shiatload of ammo. How hard is this to understand?
 
2012-12-03 10:30:39 PM

Brick-House: [www.politifake.org image 640x505]


Farking pathetic.
 
2012-12-03 10:35:40 PM

Begoggle: Millennium: I see the zombie-apocalypse preppers as not so much afraid as just participating in a gigantic leaderless LARP. As long as their intended targets are not (living) people, I have no problem with this.

And as long as they hit only their intended targets.
Everybody with a gun thinks they are James Bond or Clint Eastwood.


What could one aspire higher to be?
 
2012-12-03 11:06:06 PM

archichris: Abox: cirby: Mugato:
I love when people try to use "progressive" as a negative.

The really funny thing is when people confuse Progressivism (a really nasty political movement that ended up including eugenics and racism as major principles, along with prohibition and other inconveniently-non-liberal ideas) with "progress."

It's even more hilarious nowadays, since Progressivism fell out of favor for almost half a century - until the modern let-wingers started using the term again.


I look at that map and wonder how Obama got re-elected. Then I look at it again and realize it was all you dumb city farks who re-elected him.

Reap it.
 
2012-12-04 08:41:13 AM

John Buck 41: I look at that map and wonder how Obama got re-elected. Then I look at it again and realize it was all you dumb city farks who re-elected him.

Reap it.


Yeah, because all the shiat kickin' hicks in the flyover states know WTF is going on.

Obama won the popular vote too this wasn't a repeat of 2000.
 
2012-12-04 11:26:07 AM

Abacus9: DragonNerd: The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).

Compare with TEOTWAWKI ("The End of the World As We Know It"), which is a long-term collapse of civilization and return to a pre-industrial (likely Dark Ages) lifestyle due to a more extreme disaster (like an asteroid strike).

// kind of looking forward to the Zombie Apocalypse
/ not looking forward to TEOTWAWKI

You'll feel fine.


i1209.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-04 02:44:59 PM

John Buck 41: you don't NEED lots of guns. You need ONE gun with a shiatload of ammo. How hard is this to understand?


Not true, guns are specialized.

The closest you can get to a one-gun-does-everything is a 12-gauge with interchangeable barrels. With the right set of barrels and shot shells you can use it for everything from self-defense to hunting large and small game. It's the multi-tool of firearms: It might not be ideal for all of those roles but it will do the job in a pinch.
 
2012-12-04 09:02:40 PM

clyph: John Buck 41: you don't NEED lots of guns. You need ONE gun with a shiatload of ammo. How hard is this to understand?

Not true, guns are specialized.

The closest you can get to a one-gun-does-everything is a 12-gauge with interchangeable barrels. With the right set of barrels and shot shells you can use it for everything from self-defense to hunting large and small game. It's the multi-tool of firearms: It might not be ideal for all of those roles but it will do the job in a pinch.


You're correct regarding your 'specialized' comment (as well as the 12 gauge remark), however I was referring to the mania of buying all kinds of guns but skimping on what goes in them. A gun safe full of one of everything is worthless w/o the appropriate amount of ammo
 
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