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2012-12-02 09:19:16 AM  
Divide and conquer. Well played Obama, well played.
 
2012-12-02 09:29:56 AM  
the poor dears
 
2012-12-02 09:52:28 AM  
Bless their hearts.
 
2012-12-02 10:21:29 AM  
FTFA:'We - some of the Republican governors - should not give in to the Obama administration on this, because they will change the rules and control everything.

So you don't even attempt to create your own exchange and let the federal govt take over on day one? Petulant farking children! Teh demise of the republican party can't come quick enough.
 
2012-12-02 10:32:04 AM  

sammyk: FTFA:'We - some of the Republican governors - should not give in to the Obama administration on this, because they will change the rules and control everything.


Everything was about what Obama "will" do after re-election. Obama will take our guns. He will cancel Christmas and turn the White House into a mosque. He "will"...etc. All things with no facts or even logic to back them up.
 
2012-12-02 10:41:29 AM  
the GOP really did bet the house on Romney winning, didn't they? I guess they figured there was no point in planning on what to do if Obama actually got re-elected.
 
2012-12-02 10:46:04 AM  
It's still sadly too big for Fark, but this is exactly how I feel right now.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-02 11:12:56 AM  
Haley Barbour, who favored creating a state health exchange in 2007, when the Heritage Foundation was pushing the idea

Sounds like Mississippi. It was fine before it was BlackManCare.
 
2012-12-02 11:23:19 AM  
A battle over Republicans that can be bought with government checks and ones that are pure.
 
2012-12-02 11:24:26 AM  

Weaver95: the GOP really did bet the house on Romney winning, didn't they? I guess they figured there was no point in planning on what to do if Obama actually got re-elected.


shoutsfromtheabyss.files.wordpress.com


It's gonna be fine... No way we can lose!
 
2012-12-02 11:25:21 AM  
FTFA: "Chaney said he confronted Bryant Nov. 12 in a men's room during a local conference..."

republicans and the mens room.

some joke. need coffee
 
2012-12-02 11:26:59 AM  
Good, I guess the rest of us can just sit back and watch. Anybody want a beer?
 
2012-12-02 11:28:57 AM  
The schadenfreude is absolutely delicious.
 
2012-12-02 11:29:14 AM  
Do you remember back in 09-10 when it was Democrats fighting Democrats over Obamacare? That shiate made my mad as hell.

/blue dogs
 
2012-12-02 11:29:55 AM  
Snyder's vocal advocacy of the exchange may hurt him with the state's conservative activists, said Annie Patnaude, deputy director of the Michigan branch of the Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity.

"For people who are conservatives, it's a bit disillusioning," Patnaude said, though she said her organization approves of his record on other economic issues. "Conservatives, they feel upset that he would be quite so vocal in support of something like that. I think it's a real disappointment."


and those that find it disappointing that the Koch brothers have their hand so far up your ass that you're a human muppet? any disillusioning going on there?
 
2012-12-02 11:31:53 AM  
FTA: In Kansas, Republican Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger - a proponent of creating a health care exchange - devoted two years to an application enabling the state to partner with HHS. On Nov. 8, GOP Gov. Sam Brownback said the state would not create an exchange.

fark you so much, Brownback. You're the worst thing to happen to Kansas since Kansans. Or the Dustbowl, not sure which is worse.
 
2012-12-02 11:32:50 AM  
"I still hold out hope, even though I know it's a faint hope, that some way the implementation of this law can be stopped," he said. "One of those hopes is that if enough states throw it back to the federal government, as I understand it money still has to be appropriated at the federal level to be able to do that. I'm hoping that the Republican House in Washington could be able to stop that."

this person is a state senator.

i've seen less magical thinking from 8 year olds.

8 year olds, dude.
 
2012-12-02 11:33:07 AM  
Chaney - who by state law has broad authority to create a health care exchange without oversight from state legislators or Bryant - said the governor has failed to explain why Washington would be better than Mississippi to operate the state's health care exchange.

I think "because Mississippi" should suffice.
 
2012-12-02 11:33:24 AM  
FTFA: "After Obama won reelection, Chaney said he confronted Bryant Nov. 12 in a men's room during a local conference and asked why the governor wasn't returning his phone calls."

Because his mouth was full?

/yeah, yeah, cheap shot.
 
2012-12-02 11:34:57 AM  
Chaney - who by state law has broad authority to create a health care exchange without oversight from state legislators or Bryant - said the governor has failed to explain why Washington would be better than Mississippi to operate the state's health care exchange.

The two Republicans have squabbled since July over whether to pursue an exchange, with Bryant insisting the state not do so and Chaney arguing in favor.

"The governor asked me, 'What authority do you have to do this?'" Chaney told POLITICO. "And I said, 'Phil, what authority do you have to stop me?'"



I laughed way too much over this. And just think- this is the polite version that they give in interviews...
 
2012-12-02 11:37:11 AM  

GAT_00: It's still sadly too big for Fark, but this is exactly how I feel right now.


Yeah, that's good. But I'm more like this:

madgearsolid.com
 
2012-12-02 11:39:54 AM  
The Party of hateful hillbilly racists continues its death spiral.
 
2012-12-02 11:41:08 AM  
It's been almost a month since the election, when will this warm, wonderful feeling of schadenfreude finally subside? It's like I'm in a mild orgasm 24/7.
 
2012-12-02 11:42:37 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: republicans and the mens room.


It's the last all-male bastion. 

/no girls allowed
//usually
 
2012-12-02 11:48:28 AM  

Rich Cream: Spanky_McFarksalot: republicans and the mens room.

It's the last all-male bastion. 

/no girls allowed
//usually


Except for the cleaning lady, although she usually arrives after most of the staff have left for the day.
 
2012-12-02 11:50:12 AM  
Screw 'em, just give the money to states that want it. It would help even out that "red state / bule state" federal spending chart.
 
2012-12-02 11:51:27 AM  
www.lite-news.com

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Allowing states to opt out of Obamacare-with the caveat that if they do the federal government will set up the exchange instead-was a brilliant move. The governors or state legislatures that decide to grandstand and opt out are now starting to realize that they've actually opened it up to MORE federal government intrusion. Now those who honestly don't want the federal government involved are going after the political grandstanders, and the teabaggers who don't really understand how it work but don't like it anyway are unsure of which side to fall on. 

I love it when Obama acts as a political troll.
 
2012-12-02 11:58:48 AM  
God I love this...
 
2012-12-02 11:58:51 AM  

anfrind: Rich Cream: Spanky_McFarksalot: republicans and the mens room.

It's the last all-male bastion. 

/no girls allowed
//usually

Except for the cleaning lady, although she usually arrives after most of the staff have left came for the day.

 
2012-12-02 12:00:17 PM  
"As governor, I will continue to resist the expansion of Medicaid and other aspects of the ACA that will have a negative impact on our state economy or its people," Bryant wrote.

Yeah... RIGHT...
 
2012-12-02 12:01:53 PM  
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Rats on an island.
 
2012-12-02 12:01:54 PM  
 
2012-12-02 12:06:45 PM  

mediablitz: "As governor, I will continue to resist the expansion of Medicaid and other aspects of the ACA that will have a negative impact on our state economy or its people," Bryant wrote.

Yeah... RIGHT...


No I think what he meant is he will oppose just the parts that will have a negative impact. So he won't oppose any of it.

/loves twisting Republican words
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-02 12:07:18 PM  
The more states opt out the closer we are to a genuine national health care system like first world countries have.
 
2012-12-02 12:07:43 PM  
Ideologues can't govern, we get it.
 
2012-12-02 12:08:17 PM  
Does anyone remember that Obamacare is essential a REPUBLICAN plane proposed by the Heritage foundation?

It is a good case study of how conservative aren't really interested in any government that helps anyone but rich people -- their proposals that happen to make some sense (even if badly) were never intended to be implemented.
 
2012-12-02 12:10:45 PM  
In 2011, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley created an office to build a state exchange and appointed an executive director to lead it. But earlier this month, Bentley folded the project, declaring the health care law would add an unsustainable tax burden for Alabamians.

Ah, Alabama. The place I lived for two years. The taxes are ridiculously low, and no one can figure out why government services suck, why infrastructure is crumbling, etc. But the one tax they do have, sales tax, applies to groceries, and in some municipalities the sales tax is as high as 10% and 12% (where I lived it was 10%). I still cannot get over the fact that people accept the mediocrity of having to pay tax on groceries. Talk about a major burden on low income families. For a family of four they're probably paying $1,000 in taxes on groceries a year.
 
2012-12-02 12:11:02 PM  

vpb: The more states opt out the closer we are to a genuine national health care system like first world countries have.


Eventually we'll have a single-payer non-profit system. I think it will start when the public option is enacted.
 
2012-12-02 12:12:51 PM  

thornhill: In 2011, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley created an office to build a state exchange and appointed an executive director to lead it. But earlier this month, Bentley folded the project, declaring the health care law would add an unsustainable tax burden for Alabamians.

Ah, Alabama. The place I lived for two years. The taxes are ridiculously low, and no one can figure out why government services suck, why infrastructure is crumbling, etc. But the one tax they do have, sales tax, applies to groceries, and in some municipalities the sales tax is as high as 10% and 12% (where I lived it was 10%). I still cannot get over the fact that people accept the mediocrity of having to pay tax on groceries. Talk about a major burden on low income families. For a family of four they're probably paying $1,000 in taxes on groceries a year.


Low rates and a broad base? Sounds like Republican utopia!
 
2012-12-02 12:19:27 PM  

sammyk: FTFA:'We - some of the Republican governors - should not give in to the Obama administration on this, because they will change the rules and control everything.

So you don't even attempt to create your own exchange and let the federal govt take over on day one? Petulant farking children! Teh demise of the republican party can't come quick enough.


Define "own exchange". States have very little say in his they are run. They basically accept execution costs for a federal program with no real benefit. The costs of execution. Are estimated over 80 million a year. If a state has virtually no say on how the exchanges are to be operated, why would they take the execution tax. fark them. The feds want to implement a policy by hiding cots on the states budgets, farkem. Let the feds take all the costs. If they meant states to help give states more options. Act like a dictator of policy, accept all costs.

It makes zero sense for a state to assume the costs of execution for a program they essentially have zero control over.
 
2012-12-02 12:21:35 PM  

theorellior: It's been almost a month since the election, when will this warm, wonderful feeling of schadenfreude finally subside? It's like I'm in a mild orgasm 24/7.


It has been 12 years since bush beat gore and liberals are still farking crying about it. Not really a subject you have much traction on.
 
2012-12-02 12:23:22 PM  

MyRandomName: theorellior: It's been almost a month since the election, when will this warm, wonderful feeling of schadenfreude finally subside? It's like I'm in a mild orgasm 24/7.

It has been 12 years since bush beat gore and liberals are still farking crying about it. Not really a subject you have much traction on.


CVS has a cream for that you know.
 
2012-12-02 12:24:46 PM  

Notabunny: vpb: The more states opt out the closer we are to a genuine national health care system like first world countries have.

Eventually we'll have a single-payer non-profit system. I think it will start when the public option is enacted.


Since we can enslave doctors. ..

Brilliant plan. If you removed all administration costs, medical care would still be growing faster than GDP.

Just say what you mean. You want doctors to make less money. fark the 10 years and 200k spent on education. They deserve less.
 
2012-12-02 12:25:17 PM  

thornhill: The taxes are ridiculously low, and no one can figure out why government services suck, why infrastructure is crumbling, etc


And the best part is, Republicans use the terribleness of the government services and infrastructure as "proof" for why government doesn't work and why we need to cut taxes and privatize everything.

thornhill: For a family of four they're probably paying $1,000 in taxes on groceries a year.


People below the poverty line are paying a far higher percentage of their income in taxes (not just sales tax, but gas/tobacco/payroll taxes and so on) than many of the super rich. But pointing that out is class warfare.
 
2012-12-02 12:25:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: MyRandomName: theorellior: It's been almost a month since the election, when will this warm, wonderful feeling of schadenfreude finally subside? It's like I'm in a mild orgasm 24/7.

It has been 12 years since bush beat gore and liberals are still farking crying about it. Not really a subject you have much traction on.

CVS has a cream for that you know.


Is that what worked for you?
 
2012-12-02 12:26:41 PM  

MyRandomName: theorellior: It's been almost a month since the election, when will this warm, wonderful feeling of schadenfreude finally subside? It's like I'm in a mild orgasm 24/7.

It has been 12 years since bush beat gore and liberals are still farking crying about it. Not really a subject you have much traction on.


Apples and oranges. EC victory while losing the popular vote should not happen in modern day America. Tell me how this election was like that one?

So much fail could have been avoided...even my friends that voted for him in 2000 didn't think he would fark up THAT much.
 
2012-12-02 12:26:48 PM  

MyRandomName: sammyk: FTFA:'We - some of the Republican governors - should not give in to the Obama administration on this, because they will change the rules and control everything.

So you don't even attempt to create your own exchange and let the federal govt take over on day one? Petulant farking children! Teh demise of the republican party can't come quick enough.

Define "own exchange". States have very little say in his they are run. They basically accept execution costs for a federal program with no real benefit. The costs of execution. Are estimated over 80 million a year. If a state has virtually no say on how the exchanges are to be operated, why would they take the execution tax. fark them. The feds want to implement a policy by hiding cots on the states budgets, farkem. Let the feds take all the costs. If they meant states to help give states more options. Act like a dictator of policy, accept all costs.

It makes zero sense for a state to assume the costs of execution for a program they essentially have zero control over.


Let the federal gov't control it. It would be better than putting it in the hands of a bunch of babies whining about the ebil gov't giving those people healthcare. Don't want to participate in your own healthcare insurance plan, fine, move aside and let the adults handle things. Maybe they should just get out of office altogether since they do not wish to govern.
 
2012-12-02 12:37:36 PM  

MyRandomName: Mrtraveler01: MyRandomName: theorellior: It's been almost a month since the election, when will this warm, wonderful feeling of schadenfreude finally subside? It's like I'm in a mild orgasm 24/7.

It has been 12 years since bush beat gore and liberals are still farking crying about it. Not really a subject you have much traction on.

CVS has a cream for that you know.

Is that what worked for you?


Ooo sick burn dude!

I was relatively young back then and my folks voted for Bush, so it really didn't impact me as much as you think it did. 

I really didn't sour Bush and the Republicans until the Iraq War, which even in the beginning I thought was a colossal waste of time and resources when everyone else was for it.
 
2012-12-02 12:40:44 PM  

MyRandomName: Notabunny: vpb: The more states opt out the closer we are to a genuine national health care system like first world countries have.

Eventually we'll have a single-payer non-profit system. I think it will start when the public option is enacted.

Since we can enslave doctors. ..

Brilliant plan. If you removed all administration costs, medical care would still be growing faster than GDP.

Just say what you mean. You want doctors to make less money. fark the 10 years and 200k spent on education. They deserve less.


Why do you want American lives to depend on insurance company profits?

Oh, right, you're Republican. Profit uber alles.
 
2012-12-02 12:41:13 PM  
Can the states after opting in decide later to shut down their exchange? If so what is any benefit in not having a state run exchange. The downside would of course be that your states only insurance companies will most certainly be shut out of the federal exchange, but not yours.
 
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