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(Jamaica Gleaner)   25 years at hard labor for Minnesota State-Mankato football coach who took video of his children playfully dancing naked after a bath on his school issued cellphone. Just kidding, judge says that's not porn and dismisses all charges   (jamaica-gleaner.com) divider line 104
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2012-12-02 07:23:47 AM
There is some hope for sanity.

Nudity /= pornography.
 
2012-12-02 07:24:10 AM
Who uses their work-issued device for personal reasons?

Seems like a firing, or worse, waiting to happen.
 
2012-12-02 07:24:39 AM
Finally, a judge who has some common sense.
 
2012-12-02 07:25:30 AM
A crushing blow for insane fear-mongers everywhere.
 
2012-12-02 07:25:49 AM

Veramar: Finally, a judge who has some common sense.


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She sounds over qualified.
 
2012-12-02 07:26:09 AM
It's a Festivus Miracle!

/someone get this sane judge a cigar.
 
2012-12-02 07:28:47 AM
Finally, a little common sense is used by the courts, now that stupid prosecutor needs to learn some.
 
2012-12-02 07:29:21 AM
I hope the DA that decided to waste taxpayer money and nearly ruin someone's life gets his comeuppance.

/He won't.
 
2012-12-02 07:30:46 AM
So, is there room for appeal?
 
2012-12-02 07:38:42 AM
Perhaps the pendulum is beginning its return from the far right reaches of stupidity and will gracefully return to the Age of Reason?
 
2012-12-02 07:42:57 AM

edmo: Perhaps the pendulum is beginning its return from the far right reaches of stupidity and will gracefully return to the Age of Reason?


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You appear to have your left and right confused.
 
2012-12-02 07:43:05 AM
Letting this guy off the hook will simply embolden actual child pornographers. He should have been made an example.
 
2012-12-02 07:45:14 AM
FTA:
"A search of his home computer found no evidence of child porn, and social workers found no evidence that the couple's children had been abused."

And yet the prosecutor decided to go ahead with a trial anyway. So why bother to pay for the investigation if you're going to completely ignore the results?
 
2012-12-02 07:45:36 AM

david_gaithersburg: edmo: Perhaps the pendulum is beginning its return from the far right reaches of stupidity and will gracefully return to the Age of Reason?

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You appear to have your left and right confused.


No, he's got it right. Not that facts, history, evidence or reason have any effect on you.
 
2012-12-02 07:46:38 AM
Eh, he's a football coach in America, modern nobility.
It probably wouldn't have happened this way if he was a civilian.

Still, it's good to see.
 
2012-12-02 07:47:25 AM
Glad the guy got off and all, but why in hail did this ever see a courtroom?

I can see police investigating an allegation of kiddie porn, and I can see a DA taking a look to make certain there aren't any concerns. But what kind of horse's ass DA looks at that and decides to torture a normal, successful, law-abiding family man with the worst possible thing a guy like him can be accused of short of mass murder?
 
2012-12-02 07:53:22 AM
The judge in this case was formerly a public defender. Had the judge been a former prosecutor, this might have gone in the opposite direction. This is why I never vote for judges who used to be prosecutors.
 
2012-12-02 07:54:06 AM
Glad the guy got off and all, but why in hail did this ever see a courtroom?

I can see police investigating an allegation of kiddie porn, and I can see a DA taking a look to make certain there aren't any concerns. But what kind of horse's ass DA looks at that and decides to torture a normal, successful, law-abiding family man with the worst possible thing a guy like him can be accused of short of mass murder?


I bet he did.
 
2012-12-02 07:57:57 AM

ThoughtSpy: FTA:
"A search of his home computer found no evidence of child porn, and social workers found no evidence that the couple's children had been abused."

And yet the prosecutor decided to go ahead with a trial anyway. So why bother to pay for the investigation if you're going to completely ignore the results?


He played the "nude kids is pornography" card and got pwned.

Next step is to paint the judge as a pedophiliac sympathizer and call for removal from the bench.
 
2012-12-02 08:02:13 AM
The ignorant members of the Grand Jury are the ones that allowed this to go to trial. They should have thrown it out when they reviewed the facts. It is their job to decide what goes to trial and what is B.S.
 
2012-12-02 08:09:03 AM

OtherLittleGuy: ThoughtSpy: FTA:
"A search of his home computer found no evidence of child porn, and social workers found no evidence that the couple's children had been abused."

And yet the prosecutor decided to go ahead with a trial anyway. So why bother to pay for the investigation if you're going to completely ignore the results?

He played the "nude kids is pornography" card and got pwned.

Next step is to paint the judge as a pedophiliac sympathizer and call for removal from the bench.


I seem to recall years ago there were some cases of one or two being charged with child pornography for pictures of a toddler (or maybe slightly older, like 4-5) breastfeeding. It seems like prosecutors have decided to try anything involving kids and any sort of nudity because its easier then actually making a judgement call, sort of like how zero-tolerance rules in schools have eliminated any notion of common sense. If the argument is that a pedophile could find the images "sexually stimulating", then you're going to have to start prosecuting images of clothed children too.

Also,
pbfcomics.com
 
2012-12-02 08:10:02 AM
The judge made the right decision. This guy is a dumb ass. Why would you save that on your phone and then give your phone to someone else. The person who turned him in did the right thing and he is lucky the person wasn't the type of person who would have posted on the internet and have nude images of his kids floating in cyberspace for eternity.
 
2012-12-02 08:18:31 AM

Snappingturtle: The judge made the right decision. This guy is a dumb ass. Why would you save that on your phone and then give your phone to someone else. The person who turned him in did the right thing and he is lucky the person wasn't the type of person who would have posted on the internet and have nude images of his kids floating in cyberspace for eternity.


He certainly is lucky, but not for the reasons you stated.
 
2012-12-02 08:19:11 AM

Summoner101: Who uses their work-issued device for personal reasons?

Seems like a firing, or worse, waiting to happen.


Glad he didn't go to jail or anything, but he should probably be fired for misuse of school-issued resources. What part of "This isn't yours, asshole!!" don't people understand!!
 
2012-12-02 08:22:06 AM
My parents are so in trouble. Off to search the family slides.
 
2012-12-02 08:33:00 AM

GregInIndy: I can see police investigating an allegation of kiddie porn, and I can see a DA taking a look to make certain there aren't any concerns. But what kind of horse's ass DA looks at that and decides to torture a normal, successful, law-abiding family man with the worst possible thing a guy like him can be accused of short of mass murder?


One who doesn't want their opponent in the next election to make "District Attorney X refused to prosecute a man caught with naked pictures of children! District Attorney X is soft on crime and probably a closet pedophile!!!" attack ads. 

/DAs should not be elected positions.
//Neither should judges.
 
2012-12-02 08:33:12 AM

GoldSpider: Summoner101: Who uses their work-issued device for personal reasons?

Seems like a firing, or worse, waiting to happen.

Glad he didn't go to jail or anything, but he should probably be fired for misuse of school-issued resources. What part of "This isn't yours, asshole!!" don't people understand!!


Sitting here reading this on my work issue laptop, so getting a kick.
What is the problem? Work gives me a laptop and as such I don't need to buy my own, so this one has plenty of: family photos, uni assignments, kids' school work, all sorts of crap. I'll quite happily save it all to an external drive and wipe this machine when work wants it back but until then it is MY laptop. Work supplied? sure but MY work supplied laptop. If they gave me a phone, then I wouldn't bother having my own phone (why the hell would I want to carry two phones all the time).
Is this an unusual point of view?
Seems like the view of everyone I know (and work with/for).
 
2012-12-02 08:33:40 AM

GoldSpider: Summoner101: Who uses their work-issued device for personal reasons?

Seems like a firing, or worse, waiting to happen.

Glad he didn't go to jail or anything, but he should probably be fired for misuse of school-issued resources. What part of "This isn't yours, asshole!!" don't people understand!!


Wow. I hope I get to work for you someday
 
2012-12-02 08:39:35 AM

Gunther: GregInIndy: I can see police investigating an allegation of kiddie porn, and I can see a DA taking a look to make certain there aren't any concerns. But what kind of horse's ass DA looks at that and decides to torture a normal, successful, law-abiding family man with the worst possible thing a guy like him can be accused of short of mass murder?

One who doesn't want their opponent in the next election to make "District Attorney X refused to prosecute a man caught with naked pictures of children! District Attorney X is soft on crime and probably a closet pedophile!!!" attack ads. 

/DAs should not be elected positions.
//Neither should judges.


THIS is the problem. Call it the fly in the ointment of democracy. Lazy, selfish politicians know most people are ignorant and fearful and pander to that ignorance and fear, because they want to park their fat ass in that chair of power at all costs,
 
2012-12-02 08:51:01 AM

GoldSpider: Summoner101: Who uses their work-issued device for personal reasons?

Seems like a firing, or worse, waiting to happen.

Glad he didn't go to jail or anything, but he should probably be fired for misuse of school-issued resources. What part of "This isn't yours, asshole!!" don't people understand!!


Many companies allow the use of company issued resources, such as phones and computers, for reasonable personal use. My company and many of my friends' allow this.
 
2012-12-02 08:52:29 AM

GoldSpider: Summoner101: Who uses their work-issued device for personal reasons?

Seems like a firing, or worse, waiting to happen.

Glad he didn't go to jail or anything, but he should probably be fired for misuse of school-issued resources. What part of "This isn't yours, asshole!!" don't people understand!!


Here's how I'm picturing this happening:

1) He's issued an iPhone from work. It's connected to the corporate email, so he can respond to emails on the go. Yay team.

2) The phone is not locked down at all, so he discovers (as I'm assuming he's not a nerd, and probably had no idea this could happen) a camcorder function on the phone.

3) He then uses said camcorder function to take the video.

4) The phone later has issues; let's say it's prompting him for his password, or whatever. So he takes it to the IT department.

5) IT Department reports the nude kids to management/whoever.

6) Voila

I don't really see this as "abuse" of school property, but I work in IT so I know people utilize their equipment in all sorts of "personal" ways, from storing photos of their kids, to using Gmail when not on the VPN. If we fired everyone who did so, we'd be left with three employees out of 14,000.
 
2012-12-02 08:54:50 AM

ThoughtSpy: FTA:
"A search of his home computer found no evidence of child porn, and social workers found no evidence that the couple's children had been abused."

And yet the prosecutor decided to go ahead with a trial anyway. So why bother to pay for the investigation if you're going to completely ignore the results?


Sandusky.
 
2012-12-02 08:54:57 AM

ThoughtSpy: FTA:
"A search of his home computer found no evidence of child porn, and social workers found no evidence that the couple's children had been abused."

And yet the prosecutor decided to go ahead with a trial anyway. So why bother to pay for the investigation if you're going to completely ignore the results?


THIS
 
2012-12-02 09:00:16 AM

filter: There is some hope for sanity.

Nudity /= pornography.


i wholeheartedly agree! although it's still wrong he was using a school-issued phone to do this

/nudist
 
2012-12-02 09:00:37 AM

TheWizard: Sandusky.


It was a lack of investigation which allowed him to get away with it for so long. Duh.
 
2012-12-02 09:01:11 AM
You're a bad parent if you don't at least one pic or video of your child's naked butt for use on h.s. graduation or wedding day. It's not tamtount to porn.

/posting this using my work phone, so getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2012-12-02 09:02:06 AM
Anyone notice that you no longer see commercials featuring lotions and powders being rubbed on a baby's bare butt? It could just be that I no longer watch too much TV (let alone daytime TV when those ads would air), but could it be that companies just decided to cave to paranoia after decades of showing baby ass all morning and afternoon?
 
2012-12-02 09:04:36 AM

ADHD Librarian: What is the problem? Work gives me a laptop and as such I don't need to buy my own, so this one has plenty of: family photos, uni assignments, kids' school work, all sorts of crap.


The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: Wow. I hope I get to work for you someday


Here's how this interaction usually goes. You install all manners of third party programs, visit a bunch of questionable websites, and end up with a nice variety of malware various other problems. Of course, you're able to do so because you whined about how restrictive the local policies were until IT acquiesced. So now your laptop is useless, and I have to rearrange my priorities and schedule. Rather than waste my time digging out rootkits, I wipe your system, re-image it, and return it to you in perfect working order. You return a half hour later asking "Where is my ?" "I had a bunch of personal crap on here too? Did you lose them??"
 
2012-12-02 09:07:54 AM

Hotdog453: I don't really see this as "abuse" of school property, but I work in IT so I know people utilize their equipment in all sorts of "personal" ways, from storing photos of their kids, to using Gmail when not on the VPN. If we fired everyone who did so, we'd be left with three employees out of 14,000.


I won't argue to fire everyone who has ever used a company device to take a personal photo, but I think a line needs to be drawn when it becomes a public matter such as this. Especially when it comes to a public entity like a school district.

/Recently graduated from desktop support to messaging/mobile device administration. New environment much more locked down/controlled than old. Love it!
 
2012-12-02 09:08:10 AM
www.albertlea.com

/please don't ban me
 
2012-12-02 09:18:43 AM

GoldSpider: Summoner101: Who uses their work-issued device for personal reasons?

Seems like a firing, or worse, waiting to happen.

Glad he didn't go to jail or anything, but he should probably be fired for misuse of school-issued resources. What part of "This isn't yours, asshole!!" don't people understand!!


when i was in the airforce there were people getting busted for misuse of their government-issued travel credit card. people buying things like stereos, etc, swiping the card. a card that is closely monitored! someone gets that bill and goes over every purchase to ensure it's being used properly!

now, those folks may not have spent any more money than their per diem was worth...the travel card was typically only issued to you when you were going tdy to a place you may need the card for food and lodging. but we were always briefed that if you have ANY question as to the legitimacy of your purchase, go to an atm or to the finance office and pull out an advance on your per diem, pay cash where you go.
 
2012-12-02 09:23:57 AM
Looks like Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman has it covered, and beat me to the comic I was going to post also. I love the Perry Bible Fellowship, God help me I do love it so.
 
2012-12-02 09:28:20 AM

GoldSpider: Here's how this interaction usually goes. You install all manners of third party programs, visit a bunch of questionable websites, and end up with a nice variety of malware various other problems. Of course, you're able to do so because you whined about how restrictive the local policies were until IT acquiesced. So now your laptop is useless, and I have to rearrange my priorities and schedule. Rather than waste my time digging out rootkits, I wipe your system, re-image it, and return it to you in perfect working order. You return a half hour later asking "Where is my ?" "I had a bunch of personal crap on here too? Did you lose them??"


Man, that's easy.

"It was all deleted when I re-imaged the unit. Be aware that can and will happen again in the future, it is our device after all. Keep your stuff backed up. If you need help with that, ask a co-worker because I can't help you with that. Also be aware that it's against policy for you have that stuff on there in the first place."

I am fully aware that the computing public is a motley collection of ignorant fops. I've done my share of corporate IT and I work with the general public every day. Still, it never ceases to amaze me how many people fail at basic human interaction, everyone is way too interested in being right, superior, or both.

For example, it took a bunch of people working together to try and do both that led to this story getting as far as it did.
 
2012-12-02 09:29:22 AM

ghare: david_gaithersburg: edmo: Perhaps the pendulum is beginning its return from the far right reaches of stupidity and will gracefully return to the Age of Reason?

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You appear to have your left and right confused.

No, he's got it right. Not that facts, history, evidence or reason have any effect on you.


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You got me. I totally forgot that the public education system in the US has been under the grip of the evil "far right" for the past four decades.
facepalm.jpg
 
2012-12-02 09:29:24 AM

bungle_jr: when i was in the airforce there were people getting busted for misuse of their government-issued travel credit card. people buying things like stereos, etc, swiping the card. a card that is closely monitored! someone gets that bill and goes over every purchase to ensure it's being used properly!


I used to work in the office that managed the Navy's card programs (more on the PCard side), so I'm getting a kick....
 
2012-12-02 09:30:19 AM

david_gaithersburg: edmo: Perhaps the pendulum is beginning its return from the far right reaches of stupidity and will gracefully return to the Age of Reason?

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You appear to have your left and right confused.


If it had been the right, there would be only naked boys on the video.
 
2012-12-02 09:31:57 AM
Go Mavericks! Yay team!

/was kicked out of Mankato State back in 1993
//that's what it was called back then.
///off my lawn
 
2012-12-02 09:32:32 AM
Now just who was the pantywaist that used this crap to get at the coach that would not play their kid?
Somebody sent this snowball downhill with a lot of preparation and deserves credit and backlash.
 
2012-12-02 09:35:25 AM

A Shambling Mound: Still, it never ceases to amaze me how many people fail at basic human interaction, everyone is way too interested in being right, superior, or both.


Believe me, I was not what you'd consider the typical anti-personal computer nerd; I always managed to say to the end user the exact opposite of what I was thinking.

The problem with my situation (and I'm sure it's not unique) is that reminding the user about company policy was often perceived as unhelpfulness, and we'd usually hear from our director about in the near future (he and his repeated failure to back us up on his own department's policies was a huge reason why I and the entire service desk left the company)..
 
2012-12-02 09:41:37 AM

GoldSpider: A Shambling Mound: Still, it never ceases to amaze me how many people fail at basic human interaction, everyone is way too interested in being right, superior, or both.

Believe me, I was not what you'd consider the typical anti-personal computer nerd; I always managed to say to the end user the exact opposite of what I was thinking.

The problem with my situation (and I'm sure it's not unique) is that reminding the user about company policy was often perceived as unhelpfulness, and we'd usually hear from our director about in the near future (he and his repeated failure to back us up on his own department's policies was a huge reason why I and the entire service desk left the company)..


Been there, done that and watched the management reward the manager for "controling costs".
 
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