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2012-12-02 06:19:15 PM  
Repo Man: 4) Fowler's parents have cut off his financial support, kicked him out of the house, and thrown his belongings onto the front porch.

Lionel Mandrake: I don't get the total disconnect in people like this (and I am NOT talking about all Christians, and certainly none that I know). How do you pretend to worship a man/god that preached nothing but love and a hatred of hypocrisy, then cut off your kid completely for embarrassing you?



Parents aren't obligated to provide room and board for children who have reached majority. Christians are not justified in trying to impose beliefs upon someone who has plainly rejected those beliefs.

Occam's Razor would lead to the obvious conclusion that Fowler simply alienated his parents one time too many and they had enough.

If you do a bit of research, read his own words, you'll find this fellow is a bit of a twat- waffle whose main ambitions seem to be suing the parish school system or learning to be a video game programmer. Sounds like a real winner.
 
2012-12-02 07:09:03 PM  
I guess I'm just now realizing how vindictive and petty atheists have become. Sounds like they are the angry, vindictive, preachy arseholes forcing their values on everyone else. you know,what they claim everyone else is.
 
2012-12-02 07:14:37 PM  

Proteios1: I guess I'm just now realizing how vindictive and petty atheists have become. Sounds like they are the angry, vindictive, preachy arseholes forcing their values on everyone else. you know,what they claim everyone else is.


Just now, if you don't count all of the other times you've posted essentially the same shiat.
 
2012-12-02 07:15:05 PM  

Proteios1: I guess I'm just now realizing how vindictive and petty atheists have become. Sounds like they are the angry, vindictive, preachy arseholes forcing their values on everyone else. you know,what they claim everyone else is.


Yes ... asking for equal rights and to have the constitution followed by government bodies is being an "angry, vindictive, preachy arsehole".

But christians using government facilities to shove their ridiculous beliefs down everyone's throats is being "kind, warm and loving people". Right??
 
2012-12-02 07:25:18 PM  

Proteios1: I guess I'm just now realizing how vindictive and petty atheists have become. Sounds like they are the angry, vindictive, preachy arseholes forcing their values on everyone else. you know,what they claim everyone else is.


Oh yes, so petty and vindictive, what with following the law, asking that the law be equally applied to all, and all that. Not like those kind, law-abiding Christians who vandalized the atheist displays, causing the city to pass the blanket ban, thus making it so no one could use public property for their displays. Those people are above reproach.
 
2012-12-02 07:42:25 PM  

mamoru: Proteios1: I guess I'm just now realizing how vindictive and petty atheists have become. Sounds like they are the angry, vindictive, preachy arseholes forcing their values on everyone else. you know,what they claim everyone else is.

Oh yes, so petty and vindictive, what with following the law, asking that the law be equally applied to all, and all that. Not like those kind, law-abiding Christians who vandalized the atheist displays, causing the city to pass the blanket ban, thus making it so no one could use public property for their displays. Those people are above reproach.


Well, if the non believers would only be content with their second class status, we'd have none of these problems.
 
2012-12-02 07:58:33 PM  

JosephFinn: feckingmorons: It is a a bit silly, having a religious display on public land is not prohibited,

Actually, it is. 1st Amendment, no promotion of any religion or religions by the government.


Allowing any (as in any point of view, not restricting it to one or another) is not prohibited. I think you're talking about "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "

Why people get all worked up about this is beyond me. If the Presbyterians want to have a Christmas display on the City Hall lawn let them as long as you let the Secular Humanists have a display on the lawn about evolution. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
2012-12-02 08:12:23 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Revek: That you seek to tell us all how this unknown thing is this way rather than that way. In this respect you are identical to the theist. And how is it that the guy who wants in god we trust off the money is any different from the guy who want the nativity scene off the public land. To me, Both assholes. These things don't force you to go to church. They don't force you to believe. If it offends the eye then do not look upon it, My eyes see it all with equal doubt and I am not offended.

Boy, you like to generalize don't you?

Atheists are not trying to put non-science into science classes. They are not trying to put up monuments to E=mc2 or the laws of thermodynamics. Atheists do not knock on your door.

Everything an atheist does is easily not read, not watched, not listened to or walked away from.


So is Christian, and Jewish, and Muslim, and Wiccan.... After all, this is not 1984, and laws do go back to the Bible, and before that. Hammurabi anyone?
 
2012-12-02 08:15:57 PM  

Proteios1: I guess I'm just now realizing how vindictive and petty atheists have become. Sounds like they are the angry, vindictive, preachy arseholes forcing their values on everyone else. you know,what they claim everyone else is.


10/10, if we're going on amount of replies. 0/10 for content, complete lack of originality yet full of false assertions

Equal rights is not so much a value, as the most efficient means to peaceful civilization.

_____________________________

What I see as somewhat humorous, is that the wingnut section of religious people(in the US at any rate) has lost their ability to keep women down(aside from some leftover societal artifacts), losing the fight against keeping gays as second class citizens, and long ago lost the whole slavery issue, and because they're no longer able to wage actual war against other religions... have resorted to attempting to villify atheists to give the appearance that they're not the bottom rung of society.

Most jewish people really don't care much, and of the other religions that do, christians are allying themselves with the muslims in this fight against the "godless"(and women, and gays, and other races..down to bombing family planning clinics). Seriously the similarities between those two religion's societal views are staggering in number. How farked up is that?

How many christian zealots would shiat the proverbial brick if you gave them a detailed list like that?
 
2012-12-02 08:35:26 PM  

Proteios1: I guess I'm just now realizing how vindictive and petty atheists have become. Sounds like they are the angry, vindictive, preachy arseholes forcing their values on everyone else. you know,what they claim everyone else is.


Atheists are human. Just people. So if people sometimes seem petty, then atheists will sometimes seem petty. If people sometimes seem ignorant, then atheists will sometimes seem ignorant.

The important thing to remember is that these faults spring from being human, not from being atheist. Just as with Christians. The concept of being atheist is not inferior to any other state of being. The concept of being Christian isn't either. This is also something atheists would do well to keep in mind when the temptation to constantly bash Christians arises.

/agnostic
 
2012-12-02 10:09:32 PM  
God, I hate religious people. Atheists are the worst of them, though.
 
2012-12-02 10:29:30 PM  

letrole: Repo Man: Oh, and by the way? They went ahead and had the graduation prayer anyway .


Sounds like the standards of the community prevailed.


LOL. Now THAT's some trolling right there!

8/10
minus two for tardiness, but you found your groove in the end.
 
2012-12-02 10:43:35 PM  
We need to come up with some atheist Christmas carols so that we can spread some atheist cheer during the holidays.

♫Away in a manger, no crib for a bed.
The little Lord Jesus soon will be dead!
The stars in the sky look down where he lay.
The little Lord Jesus, an excuse to hate gays!♫

♫Oh come let us ignore him!
Oh come let us ignore him!
OH COME LET US IGNORE HI-IM,
Christ aint the Lord!♫

♫The first Noel, an angel they say
Was to ignorant shepherds in fields where they lay;
In fields, where they lay making up shiat,
On a cold winter's ni-ight what a bunch of twits!
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
born is the myth of Israel!♫

♫Silent night, Wednesday Night
All is calm, but somethin aint right
Said she's a virgin
What the fark's with the child
Illegitimate infant, it looks like she lied
Sleeps with everbody-y!
Sle-eeps with everybody!♫
 
2012-12-02 10:56:52 PM  

ewurm: We need to come up with some atheist Christmas carols so that we can spread some atheist cheer during the holidays.


No. No, we do not.
 
2012-12-02 11:13:51 PM  

gadian: What happened to live and let live? All sorts of things go up on public land and I don't give a shiat. If I don't like the look of it, I don't look at it. Please don't fark up Christmas celebrations to a point to where no one gets the day off, guys.

/atheist
//If you take my Christmas day, I will CUT YOU!


This.

This is why I don't get all the complaints regarding Christmas. Nobody get's that many holidays off a year, why would you fark with that?

/hell, go out during any hunting season and you'll realize that most people have no idea what or where public land even *is*.
//hunters accidentally hunting on private land.
///non hunters complain about hunters who are actually hunting on public land completely legally.
//\: even my slashies facepalm
 
2012-12-02 11:27:44 PM  

ewurm: We need to come up with some atheist Christmas carols so that we can spread some atheist cheer during the holidays.


The example you give is rather hateful and bigoted. Try for less hate next time.
 
2012-12-02 11:34:45 PM  

dickfreckle: RDixon: Xmas.

That is all.

I more or less despise Christianity, but even I have the courtesy of calling it "Christmas." "Xmas" to me has always come across as extremely petty and needlessly caustic unless the person using is it using it as a genuine abbreviation (which was common long before the "War on Christmas" was even a phrase).

There are many factual ways to irritate Christians if that's your thing, without resorting to denigrating their holiday. I irritate Christians frequently, but only via rebuttal to stupid claims on their part. But stooping to that as an insult is pretty damn douchey if you ask me.

/only celebrates Lord Kimbo Day


I always thought the X was short for 'cross'. Never thought of it as a perjorative.

Still. I'm glad you've shown me that my willingness to offend Xtians renders me morally inferior to you, who only irritate them to the extent that you're OK with it. I feel ashamed now.
 
2012-12-03 12:01:00 AM  

Mambo Bananapatch: I always thought the X was short for 'cross'. Never thought of it as a perjorative.


X is the Greek letter "chi" (pronounced more like 'key' than 'chai'), and is an abbreviation for writing Christ in Greek (which is Χριστος or something like that, IIRC).
 
2012-12-03 12:01:02 AM  
If someone says that they believe that the moon is made of cheese, or that the government plots to fly planes into skyscrapers, or that the President is not a citizen, that person is rightfully branded as an idiot. When a person says that a Jew died in order that he be made a scapegoat, and that he was corporeally reassembled and will return again to save mankind, we should "live and let live". That's nonsense. That's not what Christians do. Christians set up their nonsense displays because it is advertising for their myth. They are constantly trying to use the law to advance their religion. The belief that life is eternal and that "the Lord will provide" leads to a decimation of resources and an absolute disregard for our environment. If the religious want to have their beliefs in their own home, or in their own church, then they won't have to hear from me. As soon as they make it public, or try to incorporate their religion into law, then they have chosen to be criticized. If that makes me an asshole, send me a t-shirt with "asshole" written on it, and I will wear it. There are real consequences to people's beliefs.
 
2012-12-03 12:06:51 AM  

ewurm: If someone says that they believe that the moon is made of cheese, or that the government plots to fly planes into skyscrapers, or that the President is not a citizen, that person is rightfully branded as an idiot. When a person says that a Jew died in order that he be made a scapegoat, and that he was corporeally reassembled and will return again to save mankind, we should "live and let live". That's nonsense. That's not what Christians do. Christians set up their nonsense displays because it is advertising for their myth. They are constantly trying to use the law to advance their religion. The belief that life is eternal and that "the Lord will provide" leads to a decimation of resources and an absolute disregard for our environment. If the religious want to have their beliefs in their own home, or in their own church, then they won't have to hear from me. As soon as they make it public, or try to incorporate their religion into law, then they have chosen to be criticized. If that makes me an asshole, send me a t-shirt with "asshole" written on it, and I will wear it. There are real consequences to people's beliefs.


"The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected."
- H L Mencken
 
2012-12-03 01:37:14 AM  

cuzsis: This is why I don't get all the complaints regarding Christmas. Nobody get's that many holidays off a year, why would you fark with that?


No one really does screw with getting 1-2 weeks off for the holiday and new years. Everyone sane looks forward to the time off, kids to adults, religious and non. The holiday cheer and celebration is a big bonus.

Most of what we see / do is reaction to some zealotry born pushiness. It's an attempt to escort the belligerent and potential violent drunk out of the bar, or at least get him to lighten up. Sometimes that guy needs to be removed physically, sometimes he'll listen to a warning.

Like the christians who campaign for others to say Merry Christmas as vehemently as possible. "Happy Holidays" came about born of people being more open minded and fair(many religions and even non religious cultures find that deep dark part of winter a great excuse to party), and they take offense at that somehow, despite the positive sentiment conveyed, they blather on about how "It's farking christmas, you tell me merry christmas, not happy holidays, I love god and you should damn well know better!!1!!1!!" to random strangers, as if we all should know who to wish what kind of holiday to.

WTF is that about? Conceited farks. Can't we be happy with people just hoping we have a happy next few weeks? Apparently not.

No one is really putting christmas(or celebration of choice for that time of the year) in jeopardy by calling assholes out on their bullshiat, be it teaching bunk "science", striving for Dominionism, or just terrible freaking manners and people skills.
 
2012-12-03 01:44:03 AM  
Atheism is a religion. A religion is a belief in regards to spirituality and atheists actively choose to believe in nothing just as ignorantly and arrogantly as the worst bible-thumping christian moron throwback. Fanatic atheists are just as bad as fanatic .

Sadly, the truth of the matter is, no intellectual is an atheist because frankly, you cannot disprove a divinity no matter how hard you try, anymore than you can prove it. At best investigation, a sane man could merely shrug, wisely choose agnostic since it's impossible to know, thus making a choice would be pretty foolish, and hedge his bets.

But 99% of atheists aren't even atheists, they're just anti-christians, putting on aires. Not one of them would say a thing to a muslim, hindu, native american sachem, or whatever. I'm sure you're enjoying your holy days all the same!

The only thing I'm sure we'll agree on is that everybody should keep their religious beliefs to themselves unless asked, that includes atheists.
 
2012-12-03 02:04:13 AM  

Farking Canuck: There are two choices: Promote your views on private property or accept that views contradicting yours may be posted side-by-side with yours on public property.


It's not a parallel belief, it's a belief in the ridiculousness of the other guy's belief.
 
2012-12-03 02:44:00 AM  

Terrible Old Man: Atheism is a religion.


And that's where you lost any credibility as a sentient life form. But I'm bored and have some free time to burn while get my nic fix.

Terrible Old Man: A religion is a belief in regards to spirituality


Most people that identify as atheists do not have any spirituality as there is no more evidence for spirituality than there is for batman or the easterbunny. They don't take the time to bother with it because it sounds largely like a fairy tale.

It is not a "Belief in nothing", you're really pushing logic and language to the breaking point with that doublespeak.

Religion is like anal sex. People who practice it have various things they prefer, lube, condoms, bareback, stretching, stuffing, altar boys etc.

Atheists are non-participants, non-members. They simply don't do what those other people do with anuses.

It's not even really a choice, it's simple rational thinking. [Disclaimer: Not to say religion is irrational by necessary fact. Sticking with religion after carefully examining it's reason and history is another matter.]

Terrible Old Man: Sadly, the truth of the matter is, no intellectual is an atheist because frankly


Now, here is a common argument, again, a twist of logic based on a faulty assumption on your part. An Atheist doesn't believe, but does not by default deny the possibility. You may want to read up on some of the definitions of the words you use. Sure, there are some people that deny the possibility, but they are actually a minority of realized atheists(as opposed to the kind of atheist who just adopts the title for many reasons). To pretend all Atheists are that way is pure prejudice or bigotry, whichever term you're more comfortable wearing.

Terrible Old Man: But 99% of atheists aren't even atheists, they're just anti-christians, putting on aires.


Where do you get that figure?
Anyhow, if someone is anti-christian and that stance makes them examine the rational thought behind their stance and they become neutral toward religion itself and more anti-asshole, then it's a stage I'll gladly tolerate for a short time.

Terrible Old Man: The only thing I'm sure we'll agree on is that everybody should keep their religious beliefs to themselves unless asked, that includes atheists.


Seeing as how you BelieveTM that atheism is a religion, by your own words, you should keep your idea's to yourself as well.
 
2012-12-03 03:08:31 AM  

bigdanc: Farking Canuck: There are two choices: Promote your views on private property or accept that views contradicting yours may be posted side-by-side with yours on public property.

It's not a parallel belief, it's a belief in the ridiculousness of the other guy's belief.


So? It is their opinion that magic isn't real. They are allowed to post it.

Christians post that everyone who is not one of them is going to be tortured for eternity ... there is pretty much nothing more horrible or hateful that that bullshiat.

If you open up public property to opinions then you are going to get some you don't like. The government is not allowed to muzzle them ... it is called freedom of speech.

It is very simple. You have two choices: Either "nobody can present their opinion" or "everyone can present their opinion". But you guys want "only christians can present their opinion" which is unconstitutional.

It is pretty black and white ... sadly the reasoning skills of the religious are proven time and again to be lacking. This thread is a perfect example.
 
2012-12-03 03:45:39 AM  

untaken_name: God, I hate religious people. Atheists are the worst of them, though.


At least you've found a way to feel superior to them all and that's what really matters.
 
2012-12-03 03:46:40 AM  
DEATH TO ALL FANATICS!
 
2012-12-03 03:52:15 AM  
Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion

/not mine
//slashies
 
2012-12-03 04:29:09 AM  

scalpod: untaken_name: God, I hate religious people. Atheists are the worst of them, though.

At least you've found a way to feel be superior to them all and that's what really matters.


It's more than a feeling.

/more than a feeling
 
2012-12-03 05:04:43 AM  

Terrible Old Man: Atheism is a religion. A religion is a belief in regards to spirituality and atheists actively choose to believe in nothing just as ignorantly and arrogantly as the worst bible-thumping christian moron throwback. Fanatic atheists are just as bad as fanatic .

Sadly, the truth of the matter is, no intellectual is an atheist because frankly, you cannot disprove a divinity no matter how hard you try, anymore than you can prove it. At best investigation, a sane man could merely shrug, wisely choose agnostic since it's impossible to know, thus making a choice would be pretty foolish, and hedge his bets.

But 99% of atheists aren't even atheists, they're just anti-christians, putting on aires. Not one of them would say a thing to a muslim, hindu, native american sachem, or whatever. I'm sure you're enjoying your holy days all the same!


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So, by your reasoning, not believing in UFOs is a religion, right? What about not believing in dragons? That is a religion, too, right?
 
2012-12-03 05:25:10 AM  

Terrible Old Man: Sadly, the truth of the matter is, no intellectual is an atheist because frankly, you cannot disprove


I'll give you three guesses where one significant place is that you went completely wrong.
 
2012-12-03 05:48:15 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Terrible Old Man: Sadly, the truth of the matter is, no intellectual is an atheist because frankly, you cannot disprove

I'll give you three guesses where one significant place is that you went completely wrong.


Odds are still stacked against him...

Unless he's just trolling, of course. I've never seen the attraction to intentionally posting drivel in that manner myself(my drivel is come by honestly). WOW, you can fool anonymous strangers into thinking you're dense, what a life skill.
 
2012-12-03 06:08:24 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Relatively Obscure: Terrible Old Man: Sadly, the truth of the matter is, no intellectual is an atheist because frankly, you cannot disprove

I'll give you three guesses where one significant place is that you went completely wrong.

Odds are still stacked against him...

Unless he's just trolling, of course. I've never seen the attraction to intentionally posting drivel in that manner myself(my drivel is come by honestly). WOW, you can fool anonymous strangers into thinking you're dense, what a life skill.


i177.photobucket.com

Always relevant, in such cases.
 
2012-12-03 08:05:43 AM  

Ed Grubermann: craig328: It's about creating laws. It says they can't make a law establishing a religion or a law banning it. Using the amendment as an excuse to push one agenda or another in the guise of "it offends me" has been taken to the ludicrous extreme that we see today. Arlington national cemetery is public land as well...guess what you'll see all over the place there.

Graves marked with the religions of the people buried there. All of the religions. Including those with no religion.

Public land does not necessarily in and of itself mean no religious symbols whatsoever...mostly because it can be argued that banning such promotes atheism and is prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

Oh, look. Someone doesn't know the difference between secular and atheist. Typical whiny little God-botherer.


Actually Ed, it's about reading comprehension, a little more than your average, Fark-typical, mouthbreather IQ and not being a gigantic farking douuchebag...all of which you clearly fail. I've been in a church once in the past 15 years so "God-botherer" is much more a creation of your childish mind than anything resembling reality.

So, going forward, how about you stick to pumping the neighbor's dog rather than trying to engage your betters in discourse? You know, go with your strengths.
 
2012-12-03 08:08:36 AM  

Farking Canuck: craig328:
Arlington national cemetery is public land as well...guess what you'll see all over the place there. Public land does not necessarily in and of itself mean no religious symbols whatsoever...mostly because it can be argued that banning such promotes atheism and is prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

Arlington is an example that supports what happened in this story. Any group can be represented there which means the government is not endorsing one religion (which is constitutionally sound). The following symbols are available for gravestones there:

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Precisely what I was saying. The city did it right by simply declining all displays but the whiny, antagonistic atheists could do a whole lot better promoting their beliefs in humanity and science than simply devoting themselves to castigating the things they DON'T believe in.
 
2012-12-03 08:35:40 AM  

craig328: atheists could do a whole lot better promoting their promoting their beliefs in humanity and science


Welcome to 1776.
 
2012-12-03 09:09:59 AM  
To everyone who defends "In God We Trust" on currency:

How tolerant do you think you or other Xtians would be if instead it were changed to "Hail Satan!", "In Xenu we trust" or "Allah Akbar"? Yeah, I didn't think so.

It doesn't belong there, really. And if it's "not a big deal", why do you care if it gets removed?
 
2012-12-03 09:35:30 AM  

BSABSVR: Errk: Pork....

[thechive.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]

Why is there what appears to be a sedan on the right hand side of the nativity scene?


Sleeping camel (do NOT look that up on urban dictionary).
 
2012-12-03 10:27:36 AM  
Ok I don't really care about any of this, but... I do have one question for any hard core Atheist out there.
How can you prove a negative?
The few atheist I've met, all say pretty much the same thing, "There is no God, and only scientifically ignorant people would believe in such fairy tales about sky wizards."
OK, I can see that is a nice theory. Now how do you prove it?
 
2012-12-03 10:51:52 AM  

MonoChango: Ok I don't really care about any of this, but... I do have one question for any hard core Atheist out there.
How can you prove a negative?



How many times does this idiotic drivel need to be addressed? It gets asked and answered over and over ... can you people note read or listen??

You obviously have no concept of logic as you cannot understand that the burden of proof is on the people making the claim.

Can I prove:
- unicorns don't exist?
- Santa doesn't exist?
- Russel's teapot doesn't exist?
- flying, invisible pink elephants don't exist??

The answer to all of the above, including your question, is: I don't have to. The burden of proof is not on me ... it is on the people claiming they do exist. The default position on the existence of anything is: "does not exist" until proven otherwise.
 
2012-12-03 11:22:49 AM  

MonoChango: Ok I don't really care about any of this, but... I do have one question for any hard core Atheist out there.
How can you prove a negative?
The few atheist I've met, all say pretty much the same thing, "There is no God, and only scientifically ignorant people would believe in such fairy tales about sky wizards."
OK, I can see that is a nice theory. Now how do you prove it?


There is no god(within our grasp of understanding).

That's what any rational atheist will get down to if it's discussed in detail. We've got basic theory and reasoning for why we need to be lawful beings, where emotion and even matter(and then life) come from.

Why do we even need to talk about god? There is no question that man can come up with where god is a likely, much less, relevant answer that does not come off as some crackpot theory that makes leaps and bounds in jumping to conclusions, and ignorant of known science and theory built upon that.

So, why god?

Because your fairy tale(1 out of hundreds throughout the ages) of choice says we need one? Why that one? Why does that one get more credit than the others?

We're all atheists to a point, we just Believe in one less god than any other people. If anything, Atheists even are taking the safest route possible when it comes to the afterlife. Something something false gods. Well that's one sin we don't have a problem with, we don't worship any.
 
2012-12-03 11:29:07 AM  

omeganuepsilon: There is no god(within our grasp of understanding).

That's what any rational atheist



Deist.
 
2012-12-03 12:11:07 PM  

SkunkWerks: omeganuepsilon: There is no god(within our grasp of understanding).

That's what any rational atheist


Deist.


No, atheist.

Atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists. (cribbed from the wiki, you should read it)

Most self identified atheists are non-religious, but accede that there is a possibility.

A modern Deist believes in and defines God(as an abstract being, but still, belief).(paraphrased from the wiki on deism for the sake of brevity).

The two concepts are not interchangeable, and not what I was referring to. So, please, in the future, if you don't understand, don't try to put words into my mouth. Just makes you look like a buffoon.
 
2012-12-03 12:21:04 PM  

omeganuepsilon: No, athdeist.


Thanks.
 
2012-12-03 12:25:30 PM  

omeganuepsilon: don't try to put words into my mouth.


You seem to have plenty of them in there, I agree.

You're still describing a deist, though.
 
2012-12-03 12:26:50 PM  

SkunkWerks: omeganuepsilon: don't try to put words into my mouth.

You seem to have plenty of them in there, I agree.

You're still describing a deist, though.


Also, I AM a buffoon. I'm comfy with this...

...mostly because I know the difference between an atheist and a deist.
 
2012-12-03 01:03:09 PM  
Nice post spammage. Didn't take your adderall today?

Not sure if troll or obsessed.
 
2012-12-03 01:26:15 PM  

MonoChango: Ok I don't really care about any of this, but... I do have one question for any hard core Atheist out there.
How can you prove a negative?
The few atheist I've met, all say pretty much the same thing, "There is no God, and only scientifically ignorant people would believe in such fairy tales about sky wizards."
OK, I can see that is a nice theory. Now how do you prove it?



You really don't prove negatives. The burden of proof is on those making the claim that something exists. People shouldn't just get to run up and shout, "Hey everyone, I have learned that we are being guided by a sentient pair of blue jeans travelling through the cosmos just out of reach of our scientific instruments, which I can speak to. If you can't prove I'm wrong, that means I win and I'm right."
 
2012-12-03 02:50:21 PM  

MonoChango: Ok I don't really care about any of this, but... I do have one question for any hard core Atheist out there.
How can you prove a negative?
The few atheist I've met, all say pretty much the same thing, "There is no God, and only scientifically ignorant people would believe in such fairy tales about sky wizards."
OK, I can see that is a nice theory. Now how do you prove it?


"I do not believe in a god" is not the same as "I believe that god does not exist." A lack of belief is not the same as actively disbelieving, and atheism is a lack of belief.

Also, based on your question, you cannot disprove the existence of Odin, Thor, Freya, Sif, Zeus, Apollo, Dionysus, Hera, Ra, Thoth, Bast, Isis, or dragons, unicorns, elves, orcs, ogres, pixies, Big Foot, Yeti, Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, or 15-foot tall tripled breasted Amazonian hookers. I would bet you would say that none of those exist, right? But how can you disprove their existence? By your reasoning you must accept that they are all real, right? Do you now see the flaw of your argument?
 
2012-12-03 02:51:23 PM  

Relatively Obscure: MonoChango: Ok I don't really care about any of this, but... I do have one question for any hard core Atheist out there.
How can you prove a negative?
The few atheist I've met, all say pretty much the same thing, "There is no God, and only scientifically ignorant people would believe in such fairy tales about sky wizards."
OK, I can see that is a nice theory. Now how do you prove it?


You really don't prove negatives. The burden of proof is on those making the claim that something exists. People shouldn't just get to run up and shout, "Hey everyone, I have learned that we are being guided by a sentient pair of blue jeans travelling through the cosmos just out of reach of our scientific instruments, which I can speak to. If you can't prove I'm wrong, that means I win and I'm right."


You are wrong. We are guided by a teapot orbiting around the sun.
 
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