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(Time)   Atheists are now creating their own anti-Nativity scenes   (ideas.time.com) divider line 478
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2012-12-02 10:24:03 AM

the ha ha guy: HindiDiscoMonster: ok, so don't be a dick for one month out of the year is to much for you? he was talking about those scenes evoking childhood memories of good times from youth, not religious indoctrination... is it really that hard to understand that people would like to have good memories once out of the year without some dick coming along and pissing all over it making that month just like every other month in the year?


The churches already do that when they put up signs telling people that they're going to be tortured for eternity if they don't believe in the magical sky baby.

Are you saying that only Christians should be allowed to continue using borderline hate speech in their displays? Or are you saying that your greatest childhood memories are of seeing nativity displays with "believer" and "unbeliever" signs on each side, with the latter quoting Zechariah 14:12?


obviously you never had a family in childhood... you must have never had pie, or Christmas dinner, or presents or happy children in your life... I would hate to see what terrible memories you must have of childhood if it brings you to hate anyone who might have a good memory to express.

/I pitty and am sorry for you.
 
2012-12-02 10:25:21 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: HindiDiscoMonster Account created: 2012-11-16 08:17:22

Feh. I should really do an alt-check on any name I don't recognize before responding.

/plonk


that's ok... I don't like you either... I have you farkied in Red1 as "grinch and Christian hater"

/tit for tat.... this for that
//merry Christmas
 
2012-12-02 10:27:49 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: what I do not see is any government sponsored oppression or limiting of freedoms or rights


You can't make your troll alts this obtuse, or people will get bored with you. It's no fun beating on your ignorant ass if I have to teach you American History in order to do it. Better luck next time.
 
2012-12-02 10:29:46 AM

Z-clipped: HindiDiscoMonster: what I do not see is any government sponsored oppression or limiting of freedoms or rights

You can't make your troll alts this obtuse, or people will get bored with you. It's no fun beating on your ignorant ass if I have to teach you American History in order to do it. Better luck next time.


calling me a troll does not make you right... just saying.
 
2012-12-02 10:30:52 AM
Good. Judge ruled correctly. I work in the Pacific Palisades/Malibu area. There are plenty of churches in the area to place these Nativity scenes on.
 
2012-12-02 10:33:44 AM

raerae1980: Good. Judge ruled correctly. I work in the Pacific Palisades/Malibu area. There are plenty of churches in the area to place these Nativity scenes on.


agreed... if nobody can play nice, nobody gets to play. simple and to the point.
 
2012-12-02 10:35:03 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: calling me a troll does not make you right... just saying.


Well, it's either that, or you're too stupid and/or dishonest to have an actual discussion with. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Either way, you're not worth the time.
 
2012-12-02 10:35:42 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: obviously you never had a family in childhood... you must have never had pie, or Christmas dinner, or presents or happy children in your life... I would hate to see what terrible memories you must have of childhood if it brings you to hate anyone who might have a good memory to express.



You get childhood memories of Christmas dinner from reading signs saying "Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths"?

And you say I'm the one with terrible childhood memories...
 
2012-12-02 10:39:47 AM

Bob Down: LesserEvil: It's a winter break for everybody, regardless of religion.

Or a summer break. Not regardless of hemisphere


True, if I was not talking specifically about the US, of course.

...although to be nitpicky, the US has plenty of things going on south of the equator, too.

At least we have a more secular celebration to plan a July break (is that better than 'summer'?) around.
 
2012-12-02 10:40:04 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: obviously you never had a family in childhood... you must have never had pie, or Christmas dinner, or presents or happy children in your life... I would hate to see what terrible memories you must have of childhood if it brings you to hate anyone who might have a good memory to express.

/I pitty and am sorry for you


Not everyone wants a "The White People TM" Christmas dickhead. You assholes are the reason we have Christmas carols going nonstop since Thanksgiving.
 
2012-12-02 10:41:08 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Never turn your back on these people, for even a second.


I really do see where you're coming from, and it's honestly difficult to have to argue against it as I used to feel exactly the same.

However, I've decided to base my feelings on matters contextually. Meaning, in this context, it's not "obscene" nor hurting anybody, therefore I'm indifferent. When any group crosses that line, changing the context (like having the Ten Commandments on the courthouse steps), I would become vocal against it because it's a blatant effort to associate their beliefs with the legal system. A Nativity scene isn't infringing anyone's rights nor attempting to shove anything down their throats.

That's like stating that the thousands (no idea here, just pulling out a likely figure) of homeless people who are fed and sheltered by religious groups should be left hungry and sleeping on benches in said public parks because to allow Christians to feed and/or shelter them is somehow manipulating a person in desperation and somehow leads to Christians infringing on my rights or forcing their beliefs down my throat.

At the end of the day, most religions, when properly interpreted and practiced, have similar goals: be nice and do for others as you would hope they would do for you.

Sure, there are DROVES of religious people who interpret and selectively follow some parts while ignoring other areas; just as there are plenty of Atheists who set out to attack religion.

So for me, I choose my battles based on context. As I said earlier, Atheists should certainly exercise their right to setup a display, but I feel it should be used to show that we are just as caring and kind-spirited as our (rational, non-asshole) Christians are. That we're not a bunch of extremists set out to make people unhappy.

Just my thoughts, not my place to tell anyone what they should think.
 
2012-12-02 10:41:43 AM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: I guess what I'd be happy with is saying you can put up whatever you want as long as it's not negative or some such thing.


I like this idea. How about true? I don`t want lies put up and they are pretty negative so how about anything not negative that can be proven to be true?

Then nobody says nasty things OR lies, that MUST be a good thing, yes?
 
2012-12-02 10:43:54 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

An

Only if bald is a hair color.


Only if black is a color
 
2012-12-02 10:44:26 AM
I'm partial to the "It's a Girl" one from Wisconsin, I believe it was in the last couple of years.

ffrf.org
 
2012-12-02 10:46:59 AM

roblarky: Meaning, in this context, it's not "obscene" nor hurting anybody, therefore I'm indifferent. When any group crosses that line, changing the context (like having the Ten Commandments on the courthouse steps), I would become vocal against it because it's a blatant effort to associate their beliefs with the legal system. A Nativity scene isn't infringing anyone's rights nor attempting to shove anything down their throats.


This is precisely the attitude they feed on. Don't say I didn't warn you...
 
2012-12-02 10:47:32 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Revek: That you come in talking about how atheist don't do this or don't' do that but the truth is that they just do different asshole things.

For example?

Revek: I just simply don't care how wrong you are about the tendency of atheist to be just as uncompromising in their quest to be... Well assholes

When are atheists uncompromising?

When they demand that the Constitution be applied equally to all groups? When they fight to keep "Intelligent Design" out of science textbooks? When, like one guy sues over "In God We Trust" on the money? OK, that guy's an ass, but I happen to agree it doesn't belong there. Nevertheless, that is like ONE guy. Unless he's your neighbor or a relative, you can easily ignore the whole thing.

What exactly do atheists do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?


Their douchiness is incredibly annoying. Isn't that enough reason to complain about them?
 
2012-12-02 10:49:54 AM

Revek: Lionel Mandrake: Revek: That you come in talking about how atheist don't do this or don't' do that but the truth is that they just do different asshole things.

For example?

Revek: I just simply don't care how wrong you are about the tendency of atheist to be just as uncompromising in their quest to be... Well assholes

When are atheists uncompromising?

When they demand that the Constitution be applied equally to all groups? When they fight to keep "Intelligent Design" out of science textbooks? When, like one guy sues over "In God We Trust" on the money? OK, that guy's an ass, but I happen to agree it doesn't belong there. Nevertheless, that is like ONE guy. Unless he's your neighbor or a relative, you can easily ignore the whole thing.

What exactly do atheists do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?

That you seek to tell us all how this unknown thing is this way rather than that way. In this respect you are identical to the theist. And how is it that the guy who wants in god we trust off the money is any different from the guy who want the nativity scene off the public land. To me, Both assholes. These things don't force you to go to church. They don't force you to believe. If it offends the eye then do not look upon it, My eyes see it all with equal doubt and I am not offended.

 

And therefore, everyone else is an asshole.
/Better not disagree with me, you jerk
 
2012-12-02 10:53:18 AM

Revek: log_jammin: Revek: How exactly do you smack around a troll? If they are truly trolling how do you piss on their parade, prove them wrong or otherwise do anything to smack them other than not respond.

It's easy actually. you just use their words against them, until they get caught in a trap of their own doing. At that point they usually slink away.

A troll cares nothing for traps or for how you use their words. They just want a response. They slink away because your boringly predictable.


What? Boringly predictable what?
 
2012-12-02 10:54:17 AM

bigheadface: Revek: Lionel Mandrake: Revek: That you come in talking about how atheist don't do this or don't' do that but the truth is that they just do different asshole things.

For example?

Revek: I just simply don't care how wrong you are about the tendency of atheist to be just as uncompromising in their quest to be... Well assholes

When are atheists uncompromising?

When they demand that the Constitution be applied equally to all groups? When they fight to keep "Intelligent Design" out of science textbooks? When, like one guy sues over "In God We Trust" on the money? OK, that guy's an ass, but I happen to agree it doesn't belong there. Nevertheless, that is like ONE guy. Unless he's your neighbor or a relative, you can easily ignore the whole thing.

What exactly do atheists do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?

That you seek to tell us all how this unknown thing is this way rather than that way. In this respect you are identical to the theist. And how is it that the guy who wants in god we trust off the money is any different from the guy who want the nativity scene off the public land. To me, Both assholes. These things don't force you to go to church. They don't force you to believe. If it offends the eye then do not look upon it, My eyes see it all with equal doubt and I am not offended. 

And therefore, everyone else is an asshole.
/Better not disagree with me, you jerk


No and I disagree.
 
2012-12-02 10:56:57 AM

roblarky: most religions, when properly interpreted


lol
 
2012-12-02 11:02:05 AM
meh... the courts got it right - allow all points of view to be displayed equally on public property, or allow nothing. That way - no one is offended - and no particular point of view is "supported' over a different point of view.

Quite frankly ... people that are so narrow minded, who believe only their particular 'point of view' is the 'correct' one, are people I typically want to stay as far, far away from as I possibly can.
 
2012-12-02 11:04:08 AM

jbc: jaylectricity: MaudlinMutantMollusk: that one's the wurst

Ugh.

When it comes to bad puns in Fark threads, the myrrh the merrier.


Frankly, I am incensed by this.
 
2012-12-02 11:07:38 AM

Phil Moskowitz: Christians have to draw athiests into a shiat fight or they'll just continue to sink into irrelevance.


You've never paid much attention to Fark threads, I see.
Nothing brings out the Anti-Theists like a Fark religious themed thread...like this one for example.
Do pay better attention in future, mr. moskowitz
/you have no excuse,you've been here awhile now.
 
2012-12-02 11:13:22 AM
Anything that upsets and frustrates the religious is a win for mankind.

Eradicate religious mental illness.
 
2012-12-02 11:13:49 AM

craig328:
Arlington national cemetery is public land as well...guess what you'll see all over the place there. Public land does not necessarily in and of itself mean no religious symbols whatsoever...mostly because it can be argued that banning such promotes atheism and is prohibiting the free exercise of religion.


Arlington is an example that supports what happened in this story. Any group can be represented there which means the government is not endorsing one religion (which is constitutionally sound). The following symbols are available for gravestones there:

img38.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-02 11:15:05 AM
Puppets, acting as I bid. These fools don't understand that not believing in God or myself takes more faith than believing.

And nobody knows or can accept that the very thing they report not to believe in is orchestrating their every move.

Fools.
 
2012-12-02 11:27:18 AM
Or you know, they could be decent human beings and not care about nativity scenes and just go about their life. But most militant atheists are no better for the communities they live in than Bible Thumpers.
 
2012-12-02 11:28:54 AM

roblarky: A Nativity scene isn't infringing anyone's rights nor attempting to shove anything down their throats.


Nor is a sign that says "Happy Holidays" or "Love is within you", but that didn't stop them from being vandalized for not promoting the christian mythology.

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-02 11:30:51 AM

DaCaptain19: Puppets are - by definition - brainless beings.

And I am your puppet-master. I use the media to sow fear, hatred and discord while you march - under my controlling hand - to buy your petty guns for a lie I conjured and events which will never happen.

I call my puppets hu-MANS and I create them as fools.


DaCaptain19: Puppets, acting as I bid. These fools don't understand that not believing in God or myself takes more faith than believing.

And nobody knows or can accept that the very thing they report not to believe in is orchestrating their every move.

Fools.


Wow, you are really puppeting up the threads today
 
2012-12-02 11:32:39 AM
If the militant atheists make it so we don't get Christmas off, I will become a Christian out of spite.
 
2012-12-02 11:35:56 AM
pjmedia.com
 
2012-12-02 11:36:50 AM

machoprogrammer: If the militant atheists make it so we don't get Christmas off, I will become a Christian out of spite.


Just think, no days off for Christmas or Easter. Atheists are just corporate leaders in hippie garb.
 
2012-12-02 11:44:04 AM
I love the image in TFA of the nativity scene all caged off from everything. It would be perfect if that were brick instead of wire fencing.
 
2012-12-02 11:48:59 AM

machoprogrammer: I will become a Christian out of spite.


Ladies and gentlemen, your average Farker in a religion thread.
 
2012-12-02 11:50:13 AM
Since this is the 334th comment, I doubt many people will see it. But all I have to say is:

The atheists (and vegans and especially atheist vegans) I have met are some of the most miserable people on earth - and that's coming from a latent Catholic.
 
2012-12-02 11:51:53 AM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


10/10 you can't go wrong with the simple classics
 
2012-12-02 11:55:42 AM

Begoggle: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

10/10 you can't go wrong with the simple classics


Bald is a Hair Color.
 
2012-12-02 11:58:53 AM
Remember that hate in your mind is giving the other side free rent in your mind.
 
2012-12-02 11:59:02 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: what was your point again?


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-02 12:05:42 PM

machoprogrammer: If the militant atheists make it so we don't get Christmas off, I will become a Christian out of spite.


For every religion you don't believe I am going to start two!

/wait, wut
 
2012-12-02 12:35:09 PM
This makes as much sense as putting up anti-leprechaun displays on St. Patrick's day.

What happened to you, Fat Iran? You used to be cool.
 
2012-12-02 12:54:12 PM
letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

mittromneysdog: Bald is a Hair Color.

Bald is a Hair Style.
 
2012-12-02 01:23:27 PM

trappedspirit: machoprogrammer: If the militant atheists make it so we don't get Christmas off, I will become a Christian out of spite.

For every religion you don't believe I am going to start two!

/wait, wut


You beat me to it.
I was going to go with "for every god you don't believe in, I'm gonna worship three!"

/shakes tiny fist
 
2012-12-02 01:27:56 PM
Seams to be plenty of derp to go around.
 
2012-12-02 01:29:02 PM
Establishment clause is not "OMFG a cross in public" freakout, but that's what it devolved into after "separation of church and state" became etched in small thinkers' minds.

Atheists
React
 
2012-12-02 01:30:41 PM
I'd like to see hellenism make a come-back. Christmas could do with a bit of orgiastic bacchanalia.
 
2012-12-02 01:34:59 PM

the ha ha guy: HindiDiscoMonster: obviously you never had a family in childhood... you must have never had pie, or Christmas dinner, or presents or happy children in your life... I would hate to see what terrible memories you must have of childhood if it brings you to hate anyone who might have a good memory to express.


You get childhood memories of Christmas dinner from reading signs saying "Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths"?

And you say I'm the one with terrible childhood memories...


never... not once in my lifetime have i ever seen someone put up a sign like that around Christmas time... not once.
 
2012-12-02 01:37:39 PM

mittromneysdog: Begoggle: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

10/10 you can't go wrong with the simple classics

Bald is a Hair Color.


woof... woofwoof, woof woof woof?
 
2012-12-02 01:41:10 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: HindiDiscoMonster: obviously you never had a family in childhood... you must have never had pie, or Christmas dinner, or presents or happy children in your life... I would hate to see what terrible memories you must have of childhood if it brings you to hate anyone who might have a good memory to express.

/I pitty and am sorry for you

Not everyone wants a "The White People TM" Christmas dickhead. You assholes are the reason we have Christmas carols going nonstop since Thanksgiving.


24.media.tumblr.com

/Nobody was saying you had to celebrate white people Christmas cupcake... way to miss the point though.
 
2012-12-02 01:47:28 PM

This About That: Revek: these assholes ... remind me of christian wingnuts

Bingo.


Seconded.
 
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